Peacefullove:


Christians clearly condemn homosexuality among themselves . I can't stop laughing at the ridiculous assumptions just to fight for something not practiced by those who started Christianity .

The Bible differentiated between adultery , fornication , incest etc .

Let me put it this way for you . If a guy and a lady tells you they planned to get married and they are biological brother and sister . What will be your counsel as a christian.

hardasan:


Yes, we are no longer under a schoolmaster but under Christ.
These are summarized as grace. But the law still stands.

Hardasan, When you use the word BUT what does it suggest?

hardasan
If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees! You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.[a] But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal. These are the things you should do, as well as those other things.

Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

Hardasan, what are mint, dill and cummin?

plainbibletruth:

Hardasan, When you use the word BUT what does it suggest?




Hardasan, what are mint, dill and cummin?

But suggests that there is a clause or catch.
Mint, dill and cummin are spices which were easily grown in the backyard or in a flower pot. It's just like growing tomatoes in your backyard garden and paying tithe on the fruits. So the pharisees tithed till they even gave tithe of their food spices yet Christ condemned them for basing more on things that they can brag about or do publicly so people will call them righteous people while they neglect or reject forgiveness and the other laws of righteousness.
Eg a pharisee can't forgive a stranger nor can he let an unholy jew touch him/her talkess of eating with the enholy jew. They called those who aren't over self righteous publicans and sinners and feel God hears only their prayers cus they are holy while the others are not.

hardasan:


I have shown where the apostles collected 100% not just 10%. The apostles never condemned tithing either.

Stop this nonsense, its irritating .. is tithe 100% ? or what Re u saying?

Who told you they collect 100% ? just one instance of pulling their resource's together = they collect 100% ? and who told you it's all the disciple's that contribute ? what happen to those who doesn't have land or houses to sell those ones also give 100% right ?

your theology is laughable .

this even raises more questions

If what they collected represent tithe, Would that not constitute 419 on their part, since they collect 100% whereas Law stipulates just 10% ? 10/100

- does the fact that someone give 100% means the person won't pay the stipulated 10% anymore ?

- Where did the scripture says what the apostle's collected was tithes ?

Is a 100% collection still TITHE ?

hardasan:


Yes, we are no longer under a schoolmaster but under Christ.
Hear the words of Christ :

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.



Here's another bible version :


Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.[a]
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.
20 I tell you, then, that you will be able to enter the Kingdom of heaven only if you are more faithful than the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees in doing what God requires.


Christ substituted the death penalty of the law with forgiveness. Christ removed all this that defile like unclean food, menstruation, leprosy, deformity, touching the dead or unclean etc. These don't defile. These are summarized as grace. But the law still stands.

Show me where Christ commands his disciples to pay Tithe ?

if such commands exist, show me where his disciple's are seen obeying it ?

hardasan:


We are talking about the laws which were mentioned in the NT. You said that tithing should have been mentioned in the NT if it was important.
What about lesbianism, transgenders, incest, nudism etc. Are they not all some kind of love howbeit a perverted type. Did the NT condemn any of these ? Or since the NT didn't condemn them, are they okay?
Now, tithing was mentioned secondarily sef in the NT so what are we arguing about ?

Sabbath was mentioned in the NT doesn't mean it should be practiced .

cleaning for people who are once living with leprosy was also mentioned,doesn't mean today a person who got healed from it must also see the priest .

so the issue is not getting mentioned, that is called reference.

the main issue is where tithing was PRACTICED, Apostles writing letters to church to make sure they paid their tithes since its an eternal principle

abeg , show me .

petra1:


The Bible differentiated between adultery , fornication , incest etc .

Let me put it this way for you . If a guy and a lady tells you they planned to get married and they are biological brother and sister . What will be your counsel as a christian.

I don't just know if you are trying to fight with Paul or your Bible, It clearly said the Law is a schoolmaster and CHRISTIANS are not under that Schoolmaster ( Law ) anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incest contradicts Hebrew 13:4 which says let marriage be held in honour among ALL

" All " refer to people , Many people have a conscience which makes them know incest is clearly wrong . and such will be stumbled if a Christian engage in such marriage

secondly, Such marriage won't be given due honor since their are local laws guiding marriages from State to State and many of them condemn incest marriages , now if a person proceed with this such he or she has destroyed the honor the marriage should have among all.

thirdly, I need not mention the disease associated with such marriage which makes it frowned upon even by those who don't know the Bible . A Christian according to the bible will do well not to stumble others or destroy the honor due to marriage

again YoUR BIBLE Spell it out , Christians are not under the Law ... Sabbath is part of the ten commandments, many So called church goers will still open shop or go to office on Sunday, Yet its not seen as sin, what does that tells you ? they ain't under that law

hardasan:
If you say christians aren't under the law of Moses, you are saying that the 10 commandements does not apply to christains anymore.

Matthew 23:23King James Version (KJV)
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Matthew 23:23International Children’s Bible (ICB)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the law and Pharisees!
You are hypocrites! You give to God one-tenth of everything you earn—even your mint, dill, and cummin.
But you don’t obey the really important teachings of the law—being fair, showing mercy, and being loyal.
These are the things you should do, as well as those other things

Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)
23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees!
You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin,
but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty.
These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Here, the bible says: pay your tithe but don't omit the weightier matters of the law.

plainbibletruth:
Hardasan, what are mint, dill and cummin?

"'A tithe of everything from the land,
whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the LORD; it is holy to the LORD.
- Leviticus 27:30

Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.
- Deuteronomy 14:22

Eat the tenth of your grain, new wine, and olive oil,
and eat the firstborn of your cattle, sheep, and goats
in the presence of the LORD your God in the place he will choose to put his name.
Then you will learn to fear the LORD your God as long as you live.
- Deuteronomy 14:23

If the Levitical, relating to the tribe of Levites, type of tithe, is the one you believe in and follow the practices of,
then the context of Leviticus 27:30, Deuteronomy 14:22 & Deuteronomy 14:23 above are what's expected of you

You tithe all the increase of thy seed that the field bringeth forth etcetera

Seed increase, grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, whatever the field brings forth, that's what you tithe on
and not what the planting pots in the kitchen bring forth

In Matthew 23:23, the bible said and presented the Pharisees as specialists in things of little value or lesser importance
Notice that mint, dill and cummin are potherbs and not even grain from the soil or fruit from the trees

Yup, the Pharisees are well known for their supererogation

Other Israelites paid their tithes on agricultural produce and livestock (i.e. these are which alone tithe was due)
but the Pharisees would give in to unnecessary and misplaced excessiveness
Paying tithes on things, which the law strictly doesnt stipulate and/or nor require, such as milk, cheese, eggs, potherbs etcetera

It is exactly what modern day Pharisees, living amongst us, in the 21st century do.
They omit the better way of a matter
and ignore the revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 to do

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

2 Corinthians 9:7 is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

hardasan:


I have shown where the apostles collected 100% not just 10%. The apostles never condemned tithing either.

It's quite dishonest to claim the disciples collected 100% when in reality what was collected was immediately re-shared amongst the contributors according to their needs. The collection wasn't meant for the sole use of the disciples like you erroneously tried to imply. And I have also shown you were tithing was condemned in Hebrew 7:18.

Peacefullove:


Sabbath was mentioned in the NT doesn't mean it should be practiced .

cleaning for people who are once living with leprosy was also mentioned,doesn't mean today a person who got healed from it must also see the priest .

so the issue is not getting mentioned, that is called reference.

the main issue is where tithing was PRACTICED, Apostles writing letters to church to make sure they paid their tithes since its an eternal principle

abeg , show me .

The apostles wrote letters to address disputes and controversies. Secondly, not all the preaching were written in letters.
I have said it before and I repeat, the early church gave 100 % so why will the apostles write about tithing ?

Did the Apostles write against incest or against beast and human relationship ? Does it make it right ? No.
The early church gave 100 % so their tithes is covered. Show me where tithing was condemned.

Peacefullove:


I don't just know if you are trying to fight with Paul or your Bible, It clearly said the Law is a schoolmaster and CHRISTIANS are not under that Schoolmaster ( Law ) anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Incest contradicts Hebrew 13:4 which says let marriage be held in honour among ALL

" All " refer to people , Many people have a conscience which makes them know incest is clearly wrong . and such will be stumbled if a Christian engage in such marriage

secondly, Such marriage won't be given due honor since their are local laws guiding marriages from State to State and many of them condemn incest marriages , now if a person proceed with this such he or she has destroyed the honor the marriage should have among all.

thirdly, I need not mention the disease associated with such marriage which makes it frowned upon even by those who don't know the Bible . A Christian according to the bible will do well not to stumble others or destroy the honor due to marriage

again YoUR BIBLE Spell it out , Christians are not under the Law ... Sabbath is part of the ten commandments, many So called church goers will still open shop or go to office on Sunday, Yet its not seen as sin, what does that tells you ? they ain't under that law

You are fighting with the bible and speaking against the words of Jesus. You are also a post shifter!!! Once one bible verse is given, you immediately twist to another point.

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.




Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.

As long as you can't tear out Matthew 5 vs 18 from the bible, you are under a schoolmaster with a very long cane whether you like it or not.
And, as long as Mathew 5 vs 20 (Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven)
was spoken by The Lord Jesus himself, you must be very very careful with what you preach even when the bible is being quoted, blindly insisting and arguing God's word. Jesus who you are referencing said the law will remain till heaven and earth passes away. To any sincere Christian, God's word is yeah and Amen. But you. Keep showing us what you are.

MrPristine:


It's quite dishonest to claim the disciples collected 100% when in reality what was collected was immediately re-shared amongst the contributors according to their needs. The collection wasn't meant for the sole use of the disciples like you erroneously tried to imply. And I have also shown you were tithing was condemned in Hebrew 7:18.

Highlight where I implied that the Apostles solely took the 100%.
The money was re shared immediately, will the initial contributor receive up to 50% back ? Weren't the Apostles also beneficiaries of the sharing ? Weren't they being catered for through that means ?
Where do you think the money for the mission trips across the world came from ? Who sustained the Apostles even while they were away on those trips ?


Hebrews 7:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

So how does this mean don't pay tithe ? This chapter 7 of Hebrews was talking about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to that of Melchizedech with Jesus this time instead of Melchizedech.

Peacefullove:


Show me where Christ commands his disciples to pay Tithe ?

if such commands exist, show me where his disciple's are seen obeying it ?

Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Peacefullove:


Stop this nonsense, its irritating .. is tithe 100% ? or what Re u saying?

Who told you they collect 100% ? just one instance of pulling their resource's together = they collect 100% ? and who told you it's all the disciple's that contribute ? what happen to those who doesn't have land or houses to sell those ones also give 100% right ?

your theology is laughable .

this even raises more questions

If what they collected represent tithe, Would that not constitute 419 on their part, since they collect 100% whereas Law stipulates just 10% ? 10/100

- does the fact that someone give 100% means the person won't pay the stipulated 10% anymore ?

- Where did the scripture says what the apostle's collected was tithes ?

Is a 100% collection still TITHE ?

Yes it does. Those that don't have, no wahala. What's wrong with take 10% and keep the change.

After giving 100%, what else do they have to tithe on ?
You, 100 % you no give, 10% you no give. Yet you're comparing yourself with those who give 100 %. SMH.

hardasan:


Highlight where I implied that the Apostles solely took the 100%.
The money was re shared immediately, will the initial contributor receive up to 50% back ? Weren't the Apostles also beneficiaries of the sharing ? Weren't they being catered for through that means ?
Where do you think the money for the mission trips across the world came from ? Who sustained the Apostles even while they were away on those trips ?


Hebrews 7:18-19King James Version (KJV)

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19 For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

So how does this mean don't pay tithe ? This chapter 7 of Hebrews was talking about the switch from the levitical priesthood back to that of Melchizedech with Jesus this time instead of Melchizedech.

If you read that passage in context you will realize that it was the commandment to tithe in verse 5 that was annulled in verse 18. It's very clear except you choose to ignore it and even if you want to argue that it was the whole law being talked about in verse 18, tithing was still part of the law and it was specifically mentioned in verse five.

MrPristine:


If you read that passage in context you will realize that it was the commandment to tithe in verse 5 that was annulled in verse 18. It's very clear except you choose to ignore it and even if you want to argue that it was the whole law being talked about in verse 18, tithing was still part of the law and it was specifically mentioned in verse five.

It's the same thing I am saying.
By law, only the levitical priests receive tithes, but now a priest after the manner of Melchizedech will receive tithes. The first law wasnt perfect, now that law has changed.
Heb ch 7vs 5
5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?


12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.

Why should there be a change of the law ? Because by law, only the lévites can receive tithes. For Melchizedech or Jesus to lawfully receive tithes, the levitical law must change


13 For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

15 And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,

16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.


Read verse 8 again:
8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

Here the bible explains that the levitical priesthood isn't perfect so there ariseth another priest after the manner of Melchizedech the priest that predates the levitical priesthood. The law brought about the levitical priesthood. Now, to switch back to the manner of Melchizedech's priesthood, the law that brought about the levitical priesthood must be changed. So instead of dying men receiving tithes, eternal priests will receive the tithes so therefore, the law is changed. that's why only the pre levitical tithing is being practiced. The tithe of feasts, the once in 3yrs tithes for the widows and orphans are stopped. Only the type Abraham and Jacob gave stands because it is from the Melchizedech era.

Are we clear now ?

hardasan:


But suggests that there is a clause or catch.
Mint, dill and cummin are spices which were easily grown in the backyard or in a flower pot. It's just like growing tomatoes in your backyard garden and paying tithe on the fruits. So the pharisees tithed till they even gave tithe of their food spices yet Christ condemned them for basing more on things that they can brag about or do publicly so people will call them righteous people while they neglect or reject forgiveness and the other laws of righteousness.

When you used the word BUT in your statement you negated what you previously said. Grace and Law are antithetical. Paul said so in Romans 11 - "But if it is by grace [God’s unmerited favor], it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace [it would not be a gift but a reward for works]."
ROMANS 11:6 AMP

Jesus Christ fulfilled the Law. No man can fulfill ALL the requirements of the Law. And you need to fulfill ALL, not just some, to be justified before God. So, it's either we ride on the back of grace or we choose to go by our own works. I believe you know the end of each.

Grace says: "Each of you should give what you have decided in your heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." 2 Cor. 9:7

Law says: "For whoever keeps the whole Law but stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of [breaking] all of it."
JAMES 2:10 AMP

The LAW represents everything there was before GRACE.

Regarding the mint, dill and cummin, what I'm simply pointing you to is the Christ was still talking about AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE not money. The Pharisees were still thinking in terms of AGRICULTURAL PRODUCE for tithing! This is in addition to the fact that, if you look at the context, Jesus was not praising the Pharisees. He started with "woe!" on them. Here, they were still attempting to go beyond the normal in order to be thought of highly by the rest of the people. Jesus didn't commend them. They were focussing on OUTWARD SHOW while neglecting the unseen but more important matters. It is the same way tithers want to make A BIG DEAL of tithing while ignoring the FACT that they are under grace and should do grace giving.

So, when you say Jesus talked about tithing, the question is "In what context?"

When you say the Bible say 'Pay your tithe' the question is tithe of what? And, tithe according to how God specified it in the Law or according to how the modern church defined it?

I know it's difficult for a person who has held on to position to want to change overnight. I know that many Christians today, who are undernourished in the word of God, would rather hold on to their pastors' position on any issue. Many refuse to "understand" what they are being pointed to in the word of God. Once the position they are being shown FROM THE BIBLE is not in line with their held view they refuse to even give it a thorough look.

The Bible clearly say that Christians are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14. Anyone who INSISTS on putting himself under the Law or any other system apart from GRACE is entangling himself under a yoke of bondage - see Galatians 2:11-22.

Look at where the real curse lies: "For all who depend on the Law [seeking justification and salvation by obedience to the Law and the observance of rituals] are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed (condemned to destruction) is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law , so as to practice them .”
GALATIANS 3:10 AMP

The choice is open for any Christian; whether to choose GRACE or fall back on the LAW.

plainbibletruth:
Hardasan, what are mint, dill and cummin?

hardasan:
mint, dill and cummin are spices which were easily grown in the backyard or in a flower pot.
It's just like growing tomatoes in your backyard garden and paying tithe on the fruits.

So the pharisees tithed till they even gave tithe of their food spices
yet Christ condemned them for basing more on things that they can brag about
or do publicly so people will call them righteous people while they neglect or reject forgiveness and the other laws of righteousness.

Eg a pharisee can't forgive a stranger nor can he let an unholy jew touch him/her talkess of eating with the enholy jew.
They called those who aren't over self righteous publicans and sinners
and feel God hears only their prayers cus they are holy while the others are not.

Different people pick, choose, decide or stick to follow and adhere to a particular choice of tithing
Petra1, claims he follows and adheres to the Abraham type of tithing
and I've noticed from your posted comments and scripture references, that you follow and adhere to the Levitical sort of tithing
hence my reason, here, in mentioning the Levitical tithing

Now, there apparently are some things of better value and more important than performing or carrying out the Levitical tithing duty

Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 say justice, mercy, fairness, faithfulness (i.e. unfailingly remaining loyal to God) and life full of the love of God
have better value and more important than the Levitical tithing

As matter of fact, in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42, according to Jesus, the Levitical tithing duty comes secondary to any of those virtues
If one wants to be righteous and be doing what is right
then one needs to avoid what is morally wrong, like performing a Levitical tithing duty, at the expense of any of those virtues

Example:
Someone is terribly ill, on the brink of dying at the hospital
and if not given immediate medical attention, will soon kick the bucket
We have a saving grace and only hope,
but also a confusing and difficult problem
The only person who can help out with the urgent hospital charge, has a dilemma
The dilemma is that, the only money he has left to his name is a tithe money
This is really a pseudo dilemma
because except one is a modern day Pharisee, living amongst us, in the 21st century, it is a no-brainer, what is the right thing to do

If a similar situation happens the next time, next after the next, and for a short or indefinitely time repeating itself
then, doing the right thing always WILL take precedence over performing a Levitical tithing duty
Do you accept and agree with the preceded example, by way of its illustration, hardasan?

plainbibletruth:
I know it's difficult for a person who has held on to position to want to change overnight.
I know that many Christians today, who are undernourished in the word of God, would rather hold on to their pastors' position on any issue.
Many refuse to "understand" what they are being pointed to in the word of God.
Once the position they are being shown FROM THE BIBLE is not in line with their held view they refuse to even give it a thorough look.
The Bible clearly say that Christians are not under the law, but under grace. Romans 6:14.
Anyone who INSISTS on putting himself under the Law
or any other system apart from GRACE is entangling himself under a yoke of bondage - see Galatians 2:11-22.

Look at where the real curse lies:
"For all who depend on the Law
[seeking justification and salvation by obedience to the Law and the observance of rituals] are under a curse;
for it is written,
“Cursed (condemned to destruction) is everyone who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law , so as to practice them .”
GALATIANS 3:10 AMP
The choice is open for any Christian; whether to choose GRACE or fall back on the LAW

You have your "soft-work" cut out for you.
Good fortune.

MuttleyLaff:


Different people pick, choose, decide or stick to follow and adhere to a particular choice of tithing
Petra1, claims he follows and adheres to the Abraham type of tithing
and I've noticed from your posted comments and scripture references, that you follow and adhere to the Levitical sort of tithing
hence my reason, here, in mentioning the Levitical tithing

Now, there apparently are some things of better value and more important than performing or carrying out the Levitical tithing duty

Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 say justice, mercy, fairness, faithfulness (i.e. unfailingly remaining loyal to God) and life full of the love of God
have better value and more important than the Levitical tithing

As matter of fact, in Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42, according to Jesus, the Levitical tithing duty comes secondary to any of those virtues
If one wants to be righteous and be doing what is right
then one needs to avoid what is morally wrong, like performing a Levitical tithing duty, at the expense of any of those virtues

Example:
Someone is terribly ill, on the brink of dying at the hospital
and if not given immediate medical attention, will soon kick the bucket
We have a saving grace and only hope,
but also a confusing and difficult problem
The only person who can help out with the urgent hospital charge, has a dilemma
The dilemma is that, the only money he has left to his name is a tithe money
This is really a pseudo dilemma
because except one is a modern day Pharisee, living amongst us, in the 21st century, it is a no-brainer, what is the right thing to do

If a similar situation happens the next time, next after the next, and for a short or indefinitely time repeating itself
then, doing the right thing always WILL take precedence over performing a Levitical tithing duty
Do you accept and agree with the preceded example, by way of its illustration, hardasan?

You have your "soft-work" cut out for you.
Good fortune.

@ the first highlighted post.
80% correct. Tithing is a lesser law than righteousness. Tithing should not take the place of righteousness in any way. But then, who says you can't be righteous and still tithe ? You don't have to pick one. As long as they are all biblical, practice them.

Someone at the point of death has to fight for his life first. Only the living can pay tithe. In my own church, I can even call my pastor and tell him that I have spent all my money including my tithe and it's not enough and he'll direct the church committee to look into raising funds for me.
The church should count you a christian whether you tithe or not. Tithing is between you and God. With or without tithes, God will provide for his servants.

Let me use myself as an example.
I paid my first tithe at the age of 13. So from then till now, Have I spent my tithe ? Severally. Some with a reason and some on shopping. But I have cleared all. During that time, nobody came to remind me that I haven't paid my tithe. It was between me and God. I've even lent someone my tithe money and the person hasn't paid me back. I still replaced it. It hasn't stopped me from obeying other parts of the bible. Nor does it make me like the pharisees.

hardasan:
@ the first highlighted post.
80% correct. Tithing is a lesser law than righteousness. Tithing should not take the place of righteousness in any way. But then, who says you can't be righteous and still tithe ? You don't have to pick one. As long as they are all biblical, practice them.

Someone at the point of death has to fight for his life first. Only the living can pay tithe. In my own church, I can even call my pastor and tell him that I have spent all my money including my tithe and it's not enough and he'll direct the church committee to look into raising funds for me.
The church should count you a christian whether you tithe or not. Tithing is between you and God. With or without tithes, God will provide for his servants.

Let me use myself as an example.
I paid my first tithe at the age of 13. So from then till now, Have I spent my tithe ? Severally. Some with a reason and some on shopping. But I have cleared all. During that time, nobody came to remind me that I haven't paid my tithe. It was between me and God. I've even lent someone my tithe money and the person hasn't paid me back. I still replaced it. It hasn't stopped me from obeying other parts of the bible. Nor does it make me like the pharisees.

I liked this post for your seemingly composed response and the matured mind sensible explanation in it

You dont have to give a direct answer if you dont want to,
as optionally giving an affirmative Yes anwer or negative No anwer would suffice
Even if you choose to go for "No comment", I'll respect and understand.

So, out of curiosity, do you regularly, as a matter of choice, fellowship with any of the following "big players" at all:
RCCG, KICC, Living Faith Church Worldwide, also known as Winners' Chapel, Daystar Christian Centre, Household of God Church, Christ Embassy,
House on the Rock, The Latter Rain Assembly, The Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), David Ibiyeomie's Salvation Ministries,
Mountain of Fire and Miracles, The Redeemed Evangelical Mission, Deeper Christian Life Ministry, CAC, Omega Fire Ministry, CCC, C&S
Poju Oyemade's Covenant Christian Centre, The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement, COZA, Joshua Iginla's Champions Royal Assembly,

hardasan:


Yes it does. Those that don't have, no wahala. What's wrong with take 10% and keep the change.

After giving 100%, what else do they have to tithe on ?
You, 100 % you no give, 10% you no give. Yet you're comparing yourself with those who give 100 %. SMH.

Stop lying 100% is not tithe , its voluntary donation.

nowhere is it written that apostles collect 10% or tithe .

hardasan:


Matthew 23:23Good News Translation (GNT)

23 “How terrible for you, teachers of the Law and Pharisees! You hypocrites! You give to God one tenth even of the seasoning herbs, such as mint, dill, and cumin, but you neglect to obey the really important teachings of the Law, such as justice and mercy and honesty. These you should practice, without neglecting the others.

Are you any of the Blue ?

Jesus clearly respect the arrangement to Mosaic law arrangement to tithe and sustain the Levite's that work in the temple . He called it teachings of the Law.

But today Christians are not bind by that law . Sorry maa'm

infact let me ask sef , are your pastors Sons of Aaron ?

hardasan:


You are fighting with the bible and speaking against the words of Jesus. You are also a post shifter!!! Once one bible verse is given, you immediately twist to another point.

Matthew 5:17-20King James Version (KJV)

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.




Matthew 5:17-20Good News Translation (GNT)

17 “Do not think that I have come to do away with the Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets. I have not come to do away with them, but to make their teachings come true.
18 Remember that as long as heaven and earth last, not the least point nor the smallest detail of the Law will be done away with—not until the end of all things.
19 So then, whoever disobeys even the least important of the commandments and teaches others to do the same, will be least in the Kingdom of heaven. On the other hand, whoever obeys the Law and teaches others to do the same, will be great in the Kingdom of heaven.

As long as you can't tear out Matthew 5 vs 18 from the bible, you are under a schoolmaster with a very long cane whether you like it or not.

And, as long as Mathew 5 vs 20 (Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven)
was spoken by The Lord Jesus himself, you must be very very careful with what you preach even when the bible is being quoted, blindly insisting and arguing God's word. Jesus who you are referencing said the law will remain till heaven and earth passes away. To any sincere Christian, God's word is yeah and Amen. But you. Keep showing us what you are.

The underlined is so funny,

Paul vs Hardassan .

Miss, Your bible said Christians are not under a schoolmaster

am glad you are also disobeying one of the vital commandments of the Law , Una dey keep Sabbath ?

MuttleyLaff:
I liked this post for your seemingly composed response and the matured mind sensible explanation in it

You dont have to give a direct answer if you dont want to,
as optionally giving an affirmative Yes anwer or negative No anwer would suffice
Even if you choose to go for "No comment", I'll respect and understand.

So, out of curiosity, do you regularly, as a matter of choice, fellowship with any of the following "big players" at all:
RCCG, KICC, Living Faith Church Worldwide, also known as Winners' Chapel, Daystar Christian Centre, Household of God Church, Christ Embassy,
House on the Rock, The Latter Rain Assembly, The Synagogue Church Of All Nations (SCOAN), David Ibiyeomie's Salvation Ministries,
Mountain of Fire and Miracles, The Redeemed Evangelical Mission, Deeper Christian Life Ministry, CAC, Omega Fire Ministry, CCC, C&S
Poju Oyemade's Covenant Christian Centre, The Lord's Chosen Charismatic Revival Movement, COZA, Joshua Iginla's Champions Royal Assembly,

No

Peacefullove:


Stop lying 100% is not tithe , its voluntary donation.

nowhere is it written that apostles collect 10% or tithe .

Keep exposing your insincerity / low IQ.
John, pay me 10 naira, John gave me 100 naira. So because he didn't bring out the 10 naira first, he's still owing me

Peacefullove:


Are you any of the Blue ?

Jesus clearly respect the arrangement to Mosaic law arrangement to tithe and sustain the Levite's that work in the temple . He called it teachings of the Law.

But today Christians are not bind by that law . Sorry maa'm

infact let me ask sef , are your pastors Sons of Aaron ?

Was Melchizedech that received tithes a son of Abraham ?

Sooooo only the teachers of the law and Pharisees should pay tithe
I hope for your sake you're joking.

Peacefullove:


The underlined is so funny,

Paul vs Hardassan .

Miss, Your bible said Christians are not under a schoolmaster

am glad you are also disobeying one of the vital commandments of the Law , Una dey keep Sabbath ?

Jesus vs peacefullove
Ask Jesus why the Holy Spirit came on the first day of the week and not on the holy sabbath day.
Secondly the bible says: Let no man judge you in respect of an holy day

hardasan:


Jesus vs peacefullove
Ask Jesus why the Holy Spirit came on the first day of the week and not on the holy sabbath day.
Secondly the bible says: Let no man judge you in respect of an holy day

Let no man judge you , yet the Law is important

you would have done well to disregard The let no man judge and focus on the commandments nah .

hardasan:


Was Melchizedech that received tithes a son of Abraham ?

Sooooo only the teachers of the law and Pharisees should pay tithe
I hope for your sake you're joking.

According to the law, Only the Levite's priest should receive tithe . Now tell me if your pastor's are sons of Levi ?

and about Melchizedek, are u telling me he collects tithe on regular basis from Abraham ? seems your pastors don't know where they belong

hardasan:


Keep exposing your insincerity / low IQ.

John, pay me 10 naira, John gave me 100 naira. So because he didn't bring out the 10 naira first, he's still owing me

Very good

abeg show me where the apostles ASK FOR 10% first ? @bold

that is when you can only make sense

am waiting

h

Peacefullove:


The underlined is so funny,

Paul vs Hardassan .

Miss, Your bible said Christians are not under a schoolmaster

am glad you are also disobeying one of the vital commandments of the Law , Una dey keep Sabbath ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI

Peacefullove:


According to the law, Only the Levite's priest should receive tithe . Now tell me if your pastor's are sons of Levi ?

and about Melchizedek, are u telling me he collects tithe on regular basis from Abraham ? seems your pastors don't know where they belong

That is what the change of the law in Hebrew 7 was talking about.