another sunday, another debate

Jesus never took from his congregation. He never passed around a basket or tray to receive pledges and donations at the end of each sermon. He never asked for a payment. Nor did he ever tell his disciples to accept money for their assistance as found in Matthew 10:8-10: “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.”

Even the present Jews don't talk about tithe any longer but Nigeria man carry it on top head like gala.

SocialJustice:
You woke up with your demonic erection and you feel we should all be a part of it. Not even to advance your soul but for the sake of arguing. I don't know where your type of Christian comes from.

How did I argue with you now? I only asked folks who claim to know something I felt they should know.
You are taking too personal sir.

Horus:
Jesus never took from his congregation. He never passed around a basket or tray to receive pledges and donations at the end of each sermon. He never asked for a payment. Nor did he ever tell his disciples to accept money for their assistance as found in Matthew 10:8-10: “Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give. Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses, nor scrip for your journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.”

What does the bold mean?

CodeTemplar:
In the Old Testament the bible makes us understand that one of the benefits of tithe is God rebuking the devourer. Since our anti-tithe army have dispelled the usefulness of tithes after the coming of Jesus, How can I provoke Gods intervention in rebuking the devourer or personally rebuke the devourer effectively?

Please let's keep it simple and provide bible backed arguments.

you are Not a levite in the first place, that Malachi 3 ;10,11 is Not for Non isrealite like you, i guesed that devourer thing was used to whip you up as a threath to pay your thithe out of fear of devourer and Not out of love, and since christ death has allowed non christians to have benefit of beign called Gods sons, you dont need to be a levite because jesus himself our chief priest is not a levite but from tribe of judah...a tribe that never officiate at the alter

CodeTemplar:
How did I argue with you now? I only asked folks who claim to know something I felt they should know.
You are taking too personal sir.

The Bible is not politics or any other earthly enterprise you argue over mostly for the sake of just arguing. If you want to learn, then ask to be taught, do not ask for argument between other Christians.

Hotfreezer:


Look at this OP, he's not giving tithes because he loves God, he's giving because he wants to 'rebuke the devourer'.

Most ignorant tithers try to bribe God by giving to receive, not freely but expecting something in return. Those who give to charity give freely, not expecting anything in return. That's why those who pay tithes are usually poorer than those who give to charity

Sowing and reaping is a natural law, not a spiritual law. Even if an atheist or animist gives, he also receives.

I laugh in megabytes? is tithe and offerings now charity. To me they are commandments and covenant keys.

CodeTemplar:
In the Old Testament the bible makes us understand that one of the benefits of tithe is God rebuking the devourer. Since our anti-tithe army have dispelled the usefulness of tithes after the coming of Jesus, How can I provoke Gods intervention in rebuking the devourer or personally rebuke the devourer effectively?

Please let's keep it simple and provide bible backed arguments.

I will be glad to discuss tithe and other topics with you if you are ready to. 08067871456 u can WhatsApp if needed

Originakalokalo:


"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Mathew 23 Vs 23.


It means you should do justice, obey the law show mercy and faithfulness...Then Pay tithe.

Don't leave any of these ...


This is from Jesus Christ himself.

Are you a Pharisee? Are u still under the mosaic law? If your answer to these questions is yes, then this passage applies to you

CodeTemplar:
In the Old Testament the bible makes us understand that one of the benefits of tithe is God rebuking the devourer. Since our anti-tithe army have dispelled the usefulness of tithes after the coming of Jesus, How can I provoke Gods intervention in rebuking the devourer or personally rebuke the devourer effectively?

Please let's keep it simple and provide bible backed arguments.

I wonder why those devorer only after Christians, Africa in particular. Our problem is not devorer but mentally slavery

Originakalokalo:


"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Mathew 23 Vs 23.


It means you should do justice, obey the law show mercy and faithfulness...Then Pay tithe.

Don't leave any of these ...


This is from Jesus Christ himself.

First he was mocking them..... second he was talking to the teachers of the law and Pharisees : are u a Jew or Pharisee ?

SocialJustice:
The Bible is not politics or any other earthly enterprise you argue over mostly for the sake of just arguing. If you want to learn, then ask to be taught, do not ask for argument between other Christians.

I doubt your mental state behind that keyboard of yours. If it was impressive enough you would have shown me where I argued.

A logical question to those who lay claim to knowledge isn't argument bro. It is called inquiry. I needed to know what has taken the place of tithes as regards rebuking the devourer.

Simple.

gratiaeo:

I wonder why those devorer only after Christians, Africa in particular. Our problem is not devorer but mentally slavery

Crab in a bucket attitude is largely responsible for African attacking fellow Africans.

drtwist:


I will be glad to discuss tithe and other topics with you if you are ready to. 08067871456 u can WhatsApp if needed

No I prefer you drop your ideas here for all to see and assess.

CodeTemplar:
In the Old Testament the bible makes us understand that one of the benefits of tithe is God rebuking the devourer. Since our anti-tithe army have dispelled the usefulness of tithes after the coming of Jesus, How can I provoke Gods intervention in rebuking the devourer or personally rebuke the devourer effectively?

Please let's keep it simple and provide bible backed arguments.

there are no devourers anywhere.

It is your inability to manage your business and finances that is the devourer of your finance

paxonel:
there are no devourers anywhere.

It is your inability to manage your business and finances that is the devourer of your finance

Go and tell that to a man who has suffered series of business/career failure due to strange accidents or external happenings beyond his powers.
It is funny how folks manage to pass waec and graduates with an A here and a B there then start thinking they suddenly know more than God.

Originakalokalo:


"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites!

You give a tenth of your spices--mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law--justice, mercy and faithfulness.
You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
Mathew 23 Vs 23.


It means you should do justice, obey the law show mercy and faithfulness...Then Pay tithe.

Don't leave any of these ...


This is from Jesus Christ himself.

He was talking to the Pharises. Are we Pharises? Aren't we Nigerians?

Ihedinobi3:


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you said "matt. 23v23 refers to before the cross and everything changed after the cross"

Who or what and how did everything change after the cross?

is that not based on interpretations of apostles rather than Jesus?

thank you

CodeTemplar:
I laugh in megabytes? is tithe and offerings now charity. To me they are commandments and covenant keys.

True. They are commandments to a specific people.

Malachu tells us that tithe should only be given to Levites.

Is your pastor a Levite? See how you go about disobeying God's word deceiving yourself that you're doing his will.

CodeTemplar:
Go and tell that to a man who has suffered series of business/career failure due to strange accidents or external happenings beyond his powers.
It is funny how folks manage to pass waec and graduates with an A here and a B there then start thinking they suddenly know more than God.

Smh. Why is Africa overly spiritual?

When last did Gates, Ortega, Buffet, Cook, Zuckerberg (a Jew, whose religion the tithing thing holds strong since they have Levites), and other great men pay tithes?

Why do Africans believe in unnecessary spirituality?

Most Americans and Europeans have never even thought about paying tithes yet they live a life better than most Nigerian tithers.

Religion has done nothing but impede the reasoning of Africans.

HeyCorleone:


True. They are commandments to a specific people.

Malachu tells us that tithe should only be given to Levites.

Is your pastor a Levite? See how you go about disobeying God's word deceiving yourself that you're doing his will.

Born again Christians are the Jews of the last days. Get it?

CodeTemplar:


I doubt your mental state behind that keyboard of yours. If it was impressive enough you would have shown me where I argued.

Hmm, my mental state is on a level that is so beyond you. You are even below the initial benchmark I placed you on.

Have a nice day and enjoy the arguments you asked for because they are pouring in already.

CodeTemplar:
Born again Christians are the Jews of the last days. Get it?

Then why is tithing the only law these Jews follow? Smh.

Christianity is a new religion entirely. We are "Christ like". There's a reason it's so. It's different from Judaism. Tithing holds no place in the religion. The early church never tithed. Tithing was not a thing until few years ago. Even when the church arrived in Nigeria, tithing wasn't an issue until greedy pastors came into the scene.

I remember one Sunday like that, it was time to give offering just after a short prayer while we were standing and our hands up in the air and said my pastor ''Bring out out offering while standing(named a price) if u want to see the miracle of God in ur life pls remain standing with your offering and and eyes closed(him still dey pray o)'' Before i know before started sitting down one after the other, why? because they don't have this amt he was asking and it was an awkward moment, he had to change switch up saying ''Ok don't worry anything u have on u just remain standing'' I just dey wonder and wished i could walk up to him on stage to tell him he was embarrassing us, the church and Christianity as a whole, abi how could u impose a price on anyone in Church without knowing whats on them ? In fact i just taya!!! Right now service going on and i can hear them cos i stay very very close to my church but i am not just encouraged to go unless i have a low ba3 so i can go to charge. Pls guys, what ya'll think abt this ? Na young pastor whom i once thought of confronting sef, Ya'll don't think that'd be too much GOSH!!!

Brock1:
What happened to d earliest church, where possessions were brought and shared among members ( d less privileged)? All what most Christians of today know is to b sober or believe to receive favor from ppl, even when they don't know d source.
They will even give testimonies abt it. Lazy Christians, we av wat it takes to build nations but too bad, we r been misled.

Oh!! So you even know that in the early church, they were paying 100% tithe And yet today it is an impossible task for you to pay ordinary 10% which is the minimum God commanded??

I guess you still remember why God killed Ananias & Sapphira in the early church?? In case you don't know, I will tell you; They tried to pay 50% tithe instead of the 100% tithe that every other person in the church was paying at the time, and they lied to Apostle Peter and told him the money they brought was 100% tithe. God killed both of them for it.

HeyCorleone:


Smh. Why is Africa overly spiritual?

When last did Gates, Ortega, Buffet, Cook, Zuckerberg (a Jew, whose religion the tithing thing holds strong since they have Levites), and other great men pay tithes?

Why do Africans believe in unnecessary spirituality?

Most Americans and Europeans have never even thought about paying tithes yet they live a life better than most Nigerian tithers.

Religion has done nothing but impede the reasoning of Africans.

To be canal is death but being spiritual is life. Folks like you have taken the series of physical analogies after which God has modelled the complex spirit realm and cemented them as bedtime stories. Keep arguing with Gods word there.

nelsonoba:


Oh!! So you even know that in the early church, they were paying 100% tithe And yet today it is an impossible task for you to pay ordinary 10% which is the minimum God commanded??

I guess you still remember why God killed Ananias & Sapphira in the early church?? In case you don't know, I will tell you; They tried to pay 50% tithe instead of the 100% tithe that every other person in the church was paying at the time, and they lied to Apostle Peter and told him the money they brought was 100% tithe. God killed both of them for it.

Stop making wrong inference sir. Ananias and his wife were killed because they lied to the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit's move was what triggered that free giving movement.

CodeTemplar:
To be canal is death but being spiritual is life. Folks like you have taken the series of physical analogies after which God has modelled the complex spirit realm and cemented them as bedtime stories. Keep arguing with Gods word there.

So because I don't agree with tithing I'm arguing with God's word? Smh.

Not everything is spiritual. Most things you know or accept today as Christian doctrine were agreed thru early debates. Read up. Some things are logical. Effortlessly. God gave tithing orders to the Jews. I am not a Jew. The order ain't for me. It's so simply.

SocialJustice:
Hmm, my mental state is on a level that is so beyond you. You are even below the initial benchmark I placed you on.

Have a nice day and enjoy the arguments you asked for because they are pouring in already.

What argument are u referring to? You see why I doubt your mental state? Glad to have you leave the thread.

HeyCorleone:


Smh. Why is Africa overly spiritual?

When last did Gates, Ortega, Buffet, Cook, Zuckerberg (a Jew, whose religion the tithing thing holds strong since they have Levites), and other great men pay tithes?

Why do Africans believe in unnecessary spirituality?

Most Americans and Europeans have never even thought about paying tithes yet they live a life better than most Nigerian tithers.

Religion has done nothing but impede the reasoning of Africans.

Oga have you been to "most American and European churches" before arriving at this conclusion? Do they read a different bible that does not contain tithing instructions in it? If they do, they they are using a fake bible. For your information, I have seen American and European pastors talk about tithes many times, and they are under obligation to preach it once in a while because it is written in the word of God. Abraham paid tithe, Moses commanded tithes, Malachi talks about tithes, Jesus upheld the practice of tithing in Matthew 23:23. If it was not a command from God or if it was not important, Jesus would never have upheld it in Matthew!

Ihedinobi3:
Hello, the following is a copy of a conversation I had about tithing with someone else. It may not directly answer your question, but you will find enough in it to begin to answer your question.



I'll be happy to answer any further questions or provide clarification or defence for anything in the above.

Edit: if you can handle it, I am attaching a Word document of the full conversation which you can read at your leisure for better understanding.

Paul was the biggest pastor ever. Did he put his burden on the congregation? No. Did he have a job? Yes! He was a tent maker. And his ministry was global. So I disagree with that part you said those pastor must be catered to by the congregation.