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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 9:22pm On Jun 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

Pretender!
Your false humility is plain to see..it's just a matter of going back a few post.

Acting Pius is just an act it's not the real you. You can't fool everyone all the time.
ACTING? cheesy
Well if you believe the humility and piety you observed is FALSE then try find those pious and humble for REAL!
All i know is my yes means YES and my no means NO, so if you're doubting that's your problem NOT mine! Matthew 5:37 wink
On the contrary, you're the very one lying to your own soul!
If truthfully you've discovered that the person with whom you're chatting is a PRETENDER, then what is the meaning of trying to redeem the one you're certain is actually pretending? embarassed
An adage in Yoruba says 'you only wake the one sleeping and NOT the one PRETENDING to sleep'
So my friend if you're sure i've been PRETENDING all this while, why then are you disturbing your brains because of a deceitful PRETENDER? undecided
I will never ever take you for a pretender! I'm 100% sure that you have a deep feeling in your heart that you're trying really hard to rescue a captive but YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Romans 10:2-3
God bless you!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 9:57pm On Jun 16, 2019
Maximus69:

ACTING? cheesy
Well if you believe the humility and piety you observed is FALSE then try find those pious and humble for REAL!
All i know is my yes means YES and my no means NO, so if you're doubting that's your problem NOT mine! Matthew 5:37 wink
On the contrary, you're the very one lying to your own soul!
If truthfully you've discovered that the person with whom you're chatting is a PRETENDER, then what is the meaning of trying to redeem the one you're certain is actually pretending? embarassed
An adage in Yoruba says 'you only wake the one sleeping and NOT the one PRETENDING to sleep'
So my friend if you're sure i've been PRETENDING all this while, why then are you disturbing your brains because of a deceitful PRETENDER? undecided
I will never ever take you for a pretender! I'm 100% sure that you have a deep feeling in your heart that you're trying really hard to rescue a captive but YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING! Romans 10:2-3
God bless you!
Yes!
I say it again and again: you are a pretender!
False humility and false fruit of the Spirit!

And it's all acting: your previous posts show exactly who you are

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:12pm On Jun 16, 2019
@ Shadeyinka,
You can do well to do further investigations about the ONE and ONLY group known globally as a TRULY united religious family out of all races! Isaiah 2:1-4

First put aside all that the FAILED religious groups claiming 'Churches for Christ' who misunderstood Christianity for charity organizations teaches and learn what Jehovah's Witnesses teaches regarding TRUE Christianity!
We believe every sane human is an intelligent creature made in the likeness of God so we do not expect you to jump at what we teach because FAITH{in itself} is NOT a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2
But as you ponder over our teachings and compare what is obtainable within our group that's missing in ALL other religions, you can choose whether to join a GROUP of like minded believers or stay in the midst of people having divers teachings, that's all! 1Corinthians 1:10
Try read a story about our GROUP on Opera Mini!

Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:16pm On Jun 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

Yes!
I say it again and again: you are a pretender!
False humility and false fruit of the Spirit!
And it's all acting: your previous posts show exactly who you are
You're a free agent so you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion Sir!
It's like Jesus wasn't searching for PRETENDERS for arguments, he actually sent his followers out in search of honesthearted and sincere individuals who really want to worship God in the acceptable way! Matthew 10:6, 15:24
So i'll advise you to forget about PRETENDERS because you can NEVER wake a pretender from slumbering just as you will do with a person who truthfully falls asleep! Matthew 13:25
God bless you Sir!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 10:17pm On Jun 16, 2019
Maximus69:
You're a free agent so you're entitled to your own PERSONAL opinion Sir!
Pretend all you want!

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 10:20pm On Jun 16, 2019
Maximus69:
@ Shadeyinka,
You can do well to do further investigations about the ONE and ONLY group known globally as a TRULY united religious family out of all races! Isaiah 2:1-4

First put aside all that the FAILED religious groups claiming 'Churches for Christ' who misunderstood Christianity for charity organizations teaches and learn what Jehovah's Witnesses teaches regarding TRUE Christianity!
We believe every sane human is an intelligent creature made in the likeness of God so we do not expect you to jump at what we teach because FAITH{in itself} is NOT a possession of all kinds of people! 2Thessalonians 3:2
But as you ponder over our teachings and compare what is obtainable within our group that's missing in ALL other religions, you can choose whether to join a GROUP of like minded believers or stay in the midst of people having divers teachings, that's all! 1Corinthians 1:10
Try read a story about our GROUP on Opera Mini!
By their volumes of failed prophecies ye shall know them!
Jer 14:14:
"Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart."

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:27pm On Jun 16, 2019
shadeyinka:

By their volumes of failed prophecies ye shall know them!
Jer 14:14:
"Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart."
Good night Sir,
May God see us through the night! smiley
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 10:50pm On Jun 16, 2019
shadeyinka:


I said your argument is that God is like a CEO who presided over the creation through Jesus Christ. And I said, this argument is plausible!
HOWEVER,
We have Quotes attributed to God Himself AND the power released as a result of God's words of command.

Gen 1:3:
"And God said, Let there be light: and there was light."

Gen 1:6:
"And God said, Let there be a firmament in the middle of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters."

Gen 1:9:
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together to one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so."

Gen 1:11:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth: and it was so."

Gen 1:14:
"And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:"

Gen 1:20:
"And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that has life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven."

Gen 1:24:
"And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so."

Whatever the argument you intend to use must also apply to the Scriptures below

Gen 1:28:
"And God blessed them , and God said to them , Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

[b]Gen 1:29:

[b]Gen 3:9:
"
[b]Gen 6:13:

[b]Gen 9:12:


Did God use an intermediary to speak to man?
Mind you, we are still in Genesis: the creation narrative.


Please, I will prefer that we study the Scriptures above rather than digressing with other relevant or irrelevant Scriptures. Thanks
Gen3:9. 6:13. 9:12 are not direct references to creation or how the creating took place.

***https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/proverbs/8.htm

22 "Lord Jehovah created* me at the
beginning of his creation and from before
all of his works". *

26 Before he would make the Earth and the
floods and the beginning of the dust of the
world
27 When the Heavens were established, I
was with him, and when he made a circle
over the face of the depths.
28 And when he empowered the clouds from
above and when he strengthened the
springs of the depths,
29 When he set the law of the Sea and the
waters would not disobey his mouth, when
he made the foundations of the Earth,
30 I was fashioning with him; he was
rejoicing in me everyday, and I have been
rejoicing before him always."

Proverbs 8:22,26-30 corroborates the Genesis account of " Jehovah God said ...."
** Prov8:22 " Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of creation "
v26 ,27 Before he ("God said let there be"wink made the Heaven, I was with him"
v30 "I was fashioning with him ( or "I was the craftsman at his side", compare , "Let us make man" Gen1:26).
Yes, Genesis says "Jehovah God said..." , in 1:26, God speaking to some one..,his son was there....

***## The million dollar question is: according to Gen1:26 ,(corroborates Prov8:22,26-30. John1:3,10. 1Cor8:6. Heb1:2. Col 1:16 " through him God made the world (universe)" ,do you Shadeyinka believe it?

**Jesus,God's first son, was present during the period of Gen1:1-26, when "God said ...".
Do you agree ?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 11:16pm On Jun 16, 2019
Maximus69:
Don't kill yourself because of poverty Sir, God loves you! cheesy
lying pharisee false jw max

you know nothing and say anything(lies)
but then all you have is your lies and your foolishness

Pro_13:16  Every prudent man dealeth with knowledge: but a fool layeth open his folly.

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 11:32pm On Jun 16, 2019
Jozzy4:


grin grin if holyspirit is God, does it know the day and hour ?

confused false jw jozz

of course you don't believe God, but it's true
Father is the Holy Spirit:

Mat 10:20 For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

and of course Father God-the Holy Spirit knows the day and hour, you false jw's are so so duh
oh know nothing false jw

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Mat_23:15  Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:09am On Jun 17, 2019
from a christian website


JW’s on JESUS

Jesus is a created being, thus making Him a ‘son’ of God. He is the highest ranking angel: the archangel, Michael. He is and always has been submissive to the father they are in no way equal. He was not an incarnation of God, but merely a perfect man. (NOTE: The WT claims that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not equal to God in an attempt to destroy the Trinity doctrine.)


TRUTH:

* Heb. 1:5— “To which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son’?”

* Dan. 10:13 indicates that there is a class of arch-angels and Michael is one of them.

* Phil. 2: 5-11 Jesus divested Himself of His glory to take on the cloak of humanity. (ASK: Does v. 9-11 mean that His name is above Jehovah’s name, or that He’s Deity?)

* Col. 1:15-20 Jesus is before ALL things. (NOTE: The NWT inserts the word “other” 5 times in this passage: “all other things”) to strip Him of His role as the Creator.

v. 19—the fullness of God dwelled in Him. * NOTE: “Firstborn” (v 15) means supremacy or pre-eminence (in v. 19).
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:14am On Jun 17, 2019
confused know nothing deceiver Janosky/OneJ

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 12:45am On Jun 17, 2019
Jozzy4:

U are thoroughly confused
If holy spirit also father Jesus, did Jesus have Two fathers ?

ha ha false jw jozz saying someone else is thoroughly confused

greatly confused know nothing false jw jozz

oh duh, Father God the Holy Spirit is one, not two gods like you polytheist false jw's believe in:
a almighty god the father and a mighty god jesus

go back and read the verses posted, oh typical sieve for a brain false jw

1Co_14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 12:54am On Jun 17, 2019
johnw47:

from a christian website


JW’s on JESUS

Jesus is a created being, thus making Him a ‘son’ of God. He is the highest ranking angel: the archangel, Michael. He is and always has been submissive to the father they are in no way equal. He was not an incarnation of God, but merely a perfect man. (NOTE: The WT claims that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not equal to God in an attempt to destroy the Trinity doctrine.)


TRUTH:

* Heb. 1:5— “To which of the angels did God ever say, ‘You are my Son’?”

* Dan. 10:13 indicates that there is a class of arch-angels and Michael is one of them.

* Phil. 2: 5-11 Jesus divested Himself of His glory to take on the cloak of humanity. (ASK: Does v. 9-11 mean that His name is above Jehovah’s name, or that He’s Deity?)

* Col. 1:15-20 Jesus is before ALL things. (NOTE: The NWT inserts the word “other” 5 times in this passage: “all other things”) to strip Him of His role as the Creator.

v. 19—the fullness of God dwelled in Him. * NOTE: “Firstborn” (v 15) means supremacy or pre-eminence (in v. 19).

Mumu Pharisee johnw trinity worshipper .
Jesus says "the Father is greater than I", John14:28.

** "The Head of Christ is God.1Cor11:3.
Jesus is before all OTHER things because his God and Father, Jehovah is the Head, greater & Superior above Jesus.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:02am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:


Mumu Pharisee johnw trinity worshipper .
Jesus says "the Father is greater than I", John14:28.

** "The Head of Christ is God.1Cor11:3.
Jesus is before all OTHER things because his God and Father, Jehovah is the Head, greater & Superior above Jesus.

confused know nothing lying pharisee Janosky/OneJ

Father is greater than Jesus, oh duh, so He is
show where Jesus is not God, oh disbeliever, making God a liar

God is Father and the Word, read the myriad of scriptures given, oh blinded one:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


you false jw's add "other" many times to that verse
evil as you are
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 1:20am On Jun 17, 2019
nutarious:



Incase I didn't come online for days, My Answer would be Mr A, father a child both in A, B, C. So Mr A can't actually be divided and said like this,

Oh, Mr A' s Spirit is the only part of Mr A that father child C, thereby leaving Mr A soul and body.

Same way you can't seprate God, the beauty of Trinity is God is one.



Lastly the JW changed Hebrew 1 vs 8,but forgot to change the Lordship of Jesus in Hebrew 1 vs 10.

According to JW, Jehovah is God and created Jesus, but this Jehovah is also calling His creation his Lord?

Your own scripture is inconsistent with what you are taught, how can Jesus that u said is like Michael a creation be called Lord by Jehovah. Haba!

Also can somebody explain among you guys how come David knew this Lord, your interpretation change the scripture here too but its too clear that David worship a deity that he knows experiencially.


Trinity worshipper, the Nutarious notorious liar.

Jehovah's abode is in heaven where only spirits reside. Psalms 11:4.
Soul is flesh and blood, oh lying Pharisee.

** The God of Jesus anointed Jesus ,Heb1:10, Notorious liar say God dey anoint himself.
"God is your throne forever" says Psalms 45:6( RSV, JB, NWT) and Heb1:8 quoted from Psalms 45:6., the repetition MUST NOT change in Heb1:8.
You are here promoting a popular Fraud.
In Psalms 110:1 " Jehovah said to my Lord " is David's expression .
Nutarious notorious Pharisee turning Psalms 110:1 upside down ...
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 1:47am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:

Trinity worshipper, the Nutarious notorious liar.

Jehovah's abode is in heaven where only spirits reside. Psalms 11:4.
Soul is flesh and blood, oh lying Pharisee.

** The God of Jesus anointed Jesus ,Heb1:10, Notorious liar say God dey anoint himself.
"God is your throne forever" says Psalms 45:6( RSV, JB, NWT) and Heb1:8 quoted from Psalms 45:6., the repetition MUST NOT change in Heb1:8.
You are here promoting a popular Fraud.
In Psalms 110:1 " Jehovah said to my Lord " is David's expression .
Nutarious notorious Pharisee turning Psalms 110:1 upside down ...

ha ha, you false jw deceiver Janosky/OneJ
calling someone else "notorious liar"

now that is the pot calling the kettle black


it would not be good grammar for david to say: the Jehovah said to my Jehovah

david said: the Jehovah said to my Lord

and so Father Jehovah said to david's Lord Jesus Christ


note: Father Jehovah and Lord Jesus Christ is God:

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

of course other christians could explain it better than i
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 2:14am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:


"God is your throne forever" says Psalms 45:6( RSV, JB, NWT) and Heb1:8 quoted from Psalms 45:6., the repetition MUST NOT change in Heb1:8.


@bold, truly Jesus doesn't sit on His Father

oh tormented lying pharisee deceiver false jw Janosky/OneJ
you are yet again repeating your same confusion and lies, which have been explained to you more that once
and which to any normal person need no explaining
in psalms and hebrews, Jesus Christ is called God

Psa 45:6  Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre. 
Psa 45:7  Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Heb 1:8  But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 
Heb 1:9  Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Jesus is God, and Father is the God of Jesus, oh numskull
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 2:25am On Jun 17, 2019
nutarious:


He has been unmasked.......
Totally unmasked.......
And what's revealed is ugly, very ugly.
shadeyinka :
Can you see how you have dodged the
issue of what you did to Candice
Conti? And you come here on NL
forming a non existent HOLINESS!
I know you will avoid it again:
hypocrite!
[/quote]

The news dailies are awash with serial "born again" sexual predators and molesters alias pastorpreneurs whom shadeyinka knows and have heard about.
All of una dey hide under "touch not my anointed" scam to commit iniquity everywhere.
** That popular Abuja pastorpreneur who messed up the Ese lady has not fulfilled his "robust reply" falsehood.
The scandals still trailing him even now...
Go reprimand born again Pharisee to clean up his stinking mess before you fit see speck for JW matter.
The Candace matter happened when the Law was inadequate to address such issues about at the time and JWs have zero tolerance for it.

The monetary gain and Press sensational reports are major factors, not the actual truth in the law courts.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by johnw47: 2:41am On Jun 17, 2019
lying pharisee™ Janosky/OneJ smiley
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 5:08am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:

shadeyinka :
Can you see how you have dodged the
issue of what you did to Candice
Conti? And you come here on NL
forming a non existent HOLINESS!
I know you will avoid it again:
hypocrite!


The news dailies are awash with serial "born again" sexual predators and molesters alias pastorpreneurs whom shadeyinka knows and have heard about.
All of una dey hide under "touch not my anointed" scam to commit iniquity everywhere.
** That popular Abuja pastorpreneur who messed up the Ese lady has not fulfilled his "robust reply" falsehood.
The scandals still trailing him even now...
Go reprimand born again Pharisee to clean up his stinking mess before you fit see speck for JW matter.
The Candace matter happened when the Law was inadequate to address such issues about at the time and JWs have zero tolerance for it.

The monetary gain and Press sensational reports are major factors, not the actual truth in the law courts.
Shameless people, if one of you didn't come online to be forming a non existent sinless perfection and the infallibility of your organisation, I wouldn't bring up the issue of Candace.

If your organisation is representing Jesus, it should do it in perfect holiness then we can follow them. If they can't keep the simplest of God's law: then those who follow them are IGNORANT

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 6:09am On Jun 17, 2019
One of the things I appreciate with you is that unlike your peers, you do a little more study when you are confronted with a scriptural truth. And when it looks like or seems you have side-stepped or ignored an issue, you have simply gone to study. If this is true, then I applaud you.

However, you totally ignored ALL the Scriptures I raised in Gen1: which has a direct link with creation and the question associated with it to look for a "counter verse" in Prov8:

Janosky:

Gen3:9. 6:13. 9:12 are not direct references to creation or how the creating took place.
Of course the three Scriptures are NOT direct reference to Creation BUT still part of the creation narrative. It looks like you didn't get my point therein. Let me quote the Scriptures again with the highlights
Gen 3:9:
"And the LORD God said to the serpent, Because you have done this, you are cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; on your belly shall you go, and dust shall you eat all the days of your life:"

Gen 6:13:
"And God said to Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth."

Gen 9:12:
"And God said, This is the token of the covenant which I make between me and you and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations:"

The question was:
Did God use an intermediary to speak to man?
The same "and God said" used in Genesis 1 was used here: so, my question was, was it Jesus speaking or Jehovah God?

One of you made an argument that since the advent of sin, only Jesus had been relating to humans for God cannot behold sin!


Janosky:


***https://biblehub.com/aramaic-plain-english/proverbs/8.htm

22 "Lord Jehovah created* me at the
beginning of his creation and from before
all of his works". *

26 Before he would make the Earth and the
floods and the beginning of the dust of the
world
27 When the Heavens were established, I
was with him, and when he made a circle
over the face of the depths.
28 And when he empowered the clouds from
above and when he strengthened the
springs of the depths,
29 When he set the law of the Sea and the
waters would not disobey his mouth, when
he made the foundations of the Earth,
30 I was fashioning with him; he was
rejoicing in me everyday, and I have been
rejoicing before him always."

Proverbs 8:22,26-30 corroborates the Genesis account of " Jehovah God said ...."
** Prov8:22 " Lord Jehovah created me at the beginning of creation "
v26 ,27 Before he ("God said let there be"wink made the Heaven, I was with him"
v30 "I was fashioning with him ( or "I was the craftsman at his side", compare , "Let us make man" Gen1:26).
Yes, Genesis says "Jehovah God said..." , in 1:26, God speaking to some one..,his son was there....

***## The million dollar question is: according to Gen1:26 ,(corroborates Prov8:22,26-30. John1:3,10. 1Cor8:6. Heb1:2. Col 1:16 " through him God made the world (universe)" ,do you Shadeyinka believe it?

**Jesus,God's first son, was present during the period of Gen1:1-26, when "God said ...".
Do you agree ?

I can see that you had your "aha" moment when you found this Scripture. It is good because at least it shows you are studying.

Unfortunately, you have quoted Scriptures amiss!

Proverb chapters 8 and 9 is talking about WISDOM not about Christ Jesus!.

You can do a little TEST, substitute Jesus for any instance of reference in Genesis 8 and 9 and see if it fits perfectly.

Let me help you out a little:
Prov 8:1-4: "Doth not wisdom JESUS cry? and understanding put forth her voice? She standeth in the top of high places, by the way in the places of the paths. She crieth at the gates, at the entry of the city, at the coming in at the doors: Unto you, O men, I call; and my voice is to the sons of man."

Prov 9:1-3: "Wisdom JESUS hath builded her house, she hath hewn out her seven pillars: she hath killed her beasts ; she hath mingled her wine; she hath also furnished her table. She hath sent forth her maidens : she crieth upon the highest places of the city,"

Do you think wisdom here is the personification of Jesus or the proverbs is describing the "excellence of wisdom"?

You have tried but no Sir!
There is no relationship between Prov 8& 9 with John1:3,10. 1Cor8:6. Heb1:2. And Col 1:16 ".
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by nutarious(f): 6:16am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:

Trinity worshipper, the Nutarious notorious liar.

Jehovah's abode is in heaven where only spirits reside. Psalms 11:4.
Soul is flesh and blood, oh lying Pharisee.

** The God of Jesus anointed Jesus ,Heb1:10, Notorious liar say God dey anoint himself.
"God is your throne forever" says Psalms 45:6( RSV, JB, NWT) and Heb1:8 quoted from Psalms 45:6., the repetition MUST NOT change in Heb1:8.
You are here promoting a popular Fraud.
In Psalms 110:1 " Jehovah said to my Lord " is David's expression .
Nutarious notorious Pharisee turning Psalms 110:1 upside down ...

Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 7:10am On Jun 17, 2019
Janosky:

shadeyinka :
Can you see how you have dodged the
issue of what you did to Candice
Conti? And you come here on NL
forming a non existent HOLINESS!
I know you will avoid it again:
hypocrite!


The news dailies are awash with serial "born again" sexual predators and molesters alias pastorpreneurs whom shadeyinka knows and have heard about.
All of una dey hide under "touch not my anointed" scam to commit iniquity everywhere.
** That popular Abuja pastorpreneur who messed up the Ese lady has not fulfilled his "robust reply" falsehood.
The scandals still trailing him even now...
Go reprimand born again Pharisee to clean up his stinking mess before you fit see speck for JW matter.
The Candace matter happened when the Law was inadequate to address such issues about at the time and JWs have zero tolerance for it.

The monetary gain and Press sensational reports are major factors, not the actual truth in the law courts.
All the guy is trying to do is justifying his arrogance!
He could see clearly that there is nothing he knew regarding God's purpose of creation and life of humans. But since he wants to remain a highly revered pastor amongst those who cherish SIGNS he will do all within his power to refute anything that can jeopardise his self acclaimed title! John 11:48

If anyone truly want to verify the authenticity of the JW organization as the ONE and ONLY true Christian group, let them read the Bible in order to compare and contrast everything that happened amongst the first Christians, and what is happening amongst Jehovah's Witnesses today. If it's not exactly the same, then there must be another group following the steps of the first century Christians.

All of them can see clearly that it's ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses that PERFECTLY fits in to the same activities and works of the early Christians. That is why they are crying over what Jesus said will not be provided for them 'SIGN'. They're demanding that JWs should perform signs before they believe us whereas Jesus who performed the greatest of all signs in the history of all those who did said 'NO sign will be given'! Matthew 12:39,16:4
If they're honest and sincere with their souls, did Jesus talked about his own generation who witnesses the greatest of signs during Jesus' ministry and that of his immediate followers or future generations who might be expecting SIGNS from TRUE Christians? undecided

They're putting up all these fruitless arguments in order to justify their DISOBEDIENCE before Jesus' anointed brothers. If they're for the TRUTH, let them present another GROUP that is of the TRUTH because everyone on earth including diehard pagans know for certain that the TRUTH is scarce! Amos 8:11 wink
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 11:19pm On Jun 17, 2019
nutarious:



Let the Bible respond to your screenshots.
Heb 1:8 God is your throne forever" ,( that's exact words of Psalms 45:6) because
Jesus sits on king David's throne Luke1:32.
The throne of David is the throne of God, 1Chro29:23. NWT is very correct.

### Heb 1:9, God anoints his son above his companions (angels) in the spiritual realm.
Psalms 110:1- sit at my right hand.

**** Heb1:10-13 refers to Jehovah God, the Lord of Heaven and Earth (Matt11:25),Gen1:1.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Janosky: 12:03am On Jun 18, 2019
nutarious:



Let the Bible respond to your screenshots 2.
John 5:18, "Jesus was calling God his Father" it's no crime.
But the Jews LIED "he was making himself equal to God."
*** John5:19 the son does, copies whatever his Father is doing. Son and Father are in agreement working together.

** ** Same for John14:10 "the words I say are not just my own". Because Jesus works to please his Father ,John 8:29.
If you claim the son is in the Father,therefore he is God.
Likewise, Jesus disciples are in the Father and Son. therefore, they're one God. John 17:21-23.

##### John14:9 "he that has seen me has seen the Father also" , Jesus is not saying he's God. Jesus explains what john14:9 means-

$$$ John12:44,45 " Jesus cried out: "..... when he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me"
Matt10:40 "He who receives you receives me ,and he who receives me receives the one who sent me".
****Matt10:40,John 12:44,45 & John5:37 explains John 14:9,its crystal clear.

** When you see and receives the messenger, you have seen and received the One who sent him.
Jesus is not the Father. Jesus said nobody has seen his Father's figure and heard his voice John5:37.
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by nutarious(f): 12:29am On Jun 18, 2019
Janosky:

Let the Bible respond to your screenshots 2.
John 5:18, "Jesus was calling God his Father" it's no crime.
But the Jews LIED "he was making himself equal to God."
*** John5:19 the son does, copies whatever his Father is doing. Son and Father are in agreement working together.

** ** Same for John14:10 "the words I say are not just my own". Because Jesus works to please his Father ,John 8:29.
If you claim the son is in the Father,therefore he is God.
Likewise, Jesus disciples are in the Father and Son. therefore, they're one God. John 17:21-23.

##### John14:9 "he that has seen me has seen the Father also" , Jesus is not saying he's God. Jesus explains what john14:9 means-

$$$ John12:44,45 " Jesus cried out: "..... when he looks at me, he sees the one who sent me"
Matt10:40 "He who receives you receives me ,and he who receives me receives the one who sent me".
****Matt10:40,John 12:44,45 & John5:37 explains John 14:9,its crystal clear.

** When you see and receives the messenger, you have seen and received the One who sent him.
Jesus is not the Father. Jesus said nobody has seen his Father's figure and heard his voice John5:37.


You avoided many things, I will make you see them.

Can you explain Heb 1 vs 10? How come Jehovah called his creation Lord?

Then who said the Jews Lied, you or your scripture?
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by OkCornel(m): 6:50am On Jun 18, 2019
Tatime, Maximus69, janosky, shadeyinka,...

Has any of you read either of the following;

1) The Urantia Papers
2) The Ethiopian Coptic Bible (it has 88 books or so...compared to the 66 books Bible)
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 7:55am On Jun 18, 2019
OkCornel:
Tatime, Maximus69, janosky, shadeyinka,...

Has any of you read either of the following;

1) The Urantia Papers
2) The Ethiopian Coptic Bible (it has 88 books or so...compared to the 66 books Bible)
I haven't directly read them but I know a little about each
1. The Urantia papers to me are just a bunch of pseudo Christian philosophy in the order of the Grail Message. I am not aware of they have a formal religious outfit/worship centers

2. The Ethiopian Coptic Bible contain ALL the mainstream bible books in addition to several others. It looks like they didn't discriminate over a purely religion history book or inspired book. The question of what make a book inspired and others not is beyond this medium. In other words all the library of "Religious books" are included in the Ethiopian Coptic Bible!

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Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 9:31am On Jun 18, 2019
OkCornel:
Tatime, Maximus69, janosky, shadeyinka,...

Has any of you read either of the following;

1) The Urantia Papers
2) The Ethiopian Coptic Bible (it has 88 books or so...compared to the 66 books Bible)
You can't become fully competent while asking questions on FACELESS social media!
My advice is start a free home Bible study with us first, then you'll know how many schemes Satan have employed in order to discredit the sacred writtings!
To illustrate! Think of an enemy whose hideout has been exposed, in his bid to cause confusion he built an estate around his dwelling making all the buildings appear the same way. How are you going to monitor his movement without first learning about his personal traits and plans?
So get to study the Bible FACE TO FACE with JWs and then ask any question that comes to your mind! You can't rescue a drowning man if you're not an expert in swimming! wink
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by shadeyinka(m): 9:53am On Jun 18, 2019
Maximus69:

You can't become fully competent while asking questions on FACELESS social media!
My advice is start a free home Bible study with us first, then you'll know how many schemes Satan have employed in order to discredit the sacred writtings!
To illustrate! Think of an enemy whose hideout has been exposed, in his bid to cause confusion he built an estate around his dwelling making all the buildings appear the same way. How are you going to monitor his movement without first learning about his personal traits and plans?
So get to study the Bible FACE TO FACE with JWs and then ask any question that comes to your mind! You can't rescue a drowning man if you're not an expert in swimming! wink
Looking for a Proselyte at all cost: as if you will explain anything about the Urantia papers or the Ethiopian Coptic Bible.

Good luck to you!
Re: Discussion on Doctrine between a Christian and a Jehovah's Witness by Nobody: 10:13am On Jun 18, 2019
shadeyinka:

Looking for a Proselyte at all cost: as if you will explain anything about the Urantia papers or the Ethiopian Coptic Bible.

Good luck to you!
He asked a SEEMINGLY simple question, you've presented your answer without any confrontation, please why the intolerance over the presentation of another person? Mark 9:14 wink
BY THEIR FRUIT! Matthew 7:15-20
If all you can offer is your PERSONAL opinion and someone else directs the one asking to where he can get adequate info, why not stay on your lane? cheesy

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