alBHAGDADI:

Yes.

Why only men?
This where I know most Christians don't understand the Bible.

Offpoint:

Why only men?

This where I know most Christians don't understand the Bible.

Are you questioning God?

HumanHairLovers:



What ideology?

Mention just one? I know you can't cos you don't know any.

They see themselves as only people that are worshiping God. They don't go to other congregations to worship when invited but would want others to come to theirs.

alBHAGDADI:


Are you questioning God?

I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning you for misinterpreting the Bible.

When the Bible make use of the word "MEN" it's not talking about GENDER, it's referring to human.

Jesus feed 5000 men, doesn't mean they were all men. There were female and children there.

Offpoint:

I'm not questioning God, I'm questioning you for misinterpreting the Bible.

When the Bible make use of the word "MEN" it's not talking about GENDER, it's referring to human.

Jesus feed 5000 men, doesn't mean they were all men. There were female and children there.

Everything about that passage points to the fact that it is talking about males. The passage says the 144,000 are those who didn't defile themselves with women.

Revelations 14:4
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Amakavula:
JW has been wrong before, infact they have always been wrong ( go read their predictions of Jesus coming, laughable ) so this is just another wrong prediction.

You a correct
they av predicted the earth would end like 5 different times.
they claimed a certain pope Pius was the anti Christ, the Pope died more then 60 years ago, no anti Christ moves.

They claimed armeggedon would occur immediately after first world war, no show.
They postponed armeggedon to after WW2, instead in a direct opposite, the state of Israel was created.

yet people still follow their teachings blindly.

NyenwePHC:


Piece of thrash!

Better face forward in your church and leave JW alone. At the end, una eye go clear

Leave JW alone? that's only if JW can leave us alone by stopping the door to door visiting

alBHAGDADI:


Everything about that passage points to the fact that it is talking about males. The passage says the 144,000 are those who didn't defile themselves with women.

Revelations 14:4
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

OK

alBHAGDADI:


Everything about that passage points to the fact that it is talking about males. The passage says the 144,000 are those who didn't defile themselves with women.

Revelations 14:4
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Mumu post... this alB Pharisee no get sense?

Where did the holy Scriptures say women were excluded from heavenly life?

Do women not defile themselves with other women ?
Kai !!!!!
alB Pharisee, what is lesbianism ?

alB Pharisee junk everywhere...

Alum34:

They see themselves as only people that are worshiping God. They don't go to other congregations to worship when invited but would want others to come to theirs.

What is religion? A way of life

What is Christianity? A way of life that leads to the true God.

Before you decide to follow a certain religion or Christian worship what would an intelligent person do?


Let's reason.

Janosky:


Mumu post... this alB Pharisee no get sense?

Where did the holy Scriptures say women were excluded from heavenly life?

Do women not defile themselves with other women ?
Kai !!!!!
alB Pharisee, what is lesbianism ?

alB Pharisee junk everywhere...

The fact that the Bible didn't say "those who didn't defile themselves with men" is enough to show that the passage doesn't include women. Or is it only through sex with a fellow woman that a woman can lose her virginity?

Can you see that you are the senseless one?

HumanHairLovers:



Jesus apostles were wrong many times

What matters is that they admit they were wrong.

The prediction you're talking about was not wrong anyway. Go make your findings.

Does your church ever admit they're wrong?

The light of the righteous keeps getting brighter and brighter, says the Holy Book

The righteous would stumble even 7 times and still stand up, says the word of God

Jw prophecied the world will end in 1914, last i checked, the world hasn't ended. No true prophet of God made a false prophecy in the bible. Only false prophets make false prophecies.

OLAADEGBU:


"This 'little flock' of 144,000 Kingdom heirs, then, are those ones from among mankind who are 'born again.'"²

The Jehovah's Witnesses celebrate the communion supper only once a year.³ In their annual communion service, the congregations gather in their various kingdom halls. This is done on the 14th of Nissan, the Passover date on the Jewish calendar, which usually falls in March or April of each year in the Gregorian calendar. During the service, the cup is passed from Jehovah's Witness to Jehovah's Witness. None of them partake-- except the very few who are of the 144,000.

In John 6:53-54, Jesus said, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 'He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (NASB).

I am not here going to discuss the nature of the communion and compare Catholic and Protestant views of the elements; rather, the issue is that Jesus said to the Jews that they must take of the communion, which He later instituted in Matt. 26:26-28; and that if they did not partake, then they had no life in them, 6:53.

According to the Watchtower, the "life" spoken of in 6:53 is everlasting life.

"On that occasion Jesus was not speaking to those circumcised Israelites about "everlasting life" as human creatures on a Paradise earth under his millennial kingdom. Rather, he was speaking about the very same opportunity that he was setting before the apostle Peter and his fellow apostles by means of the "sayings of everlasting life." It was the opportunity to gain inherent life with the Christ in the heavens, "life in yourselves." (John 6:53) By reigning with him in heaven they could pass on to mankind the life-giving benefits of his sacrifice. ⁴

According to Jehovah's Witness theology, some Witnesses will be raised to "immortal life" and others to "everlasting life." Immortal life is only for the 144,000 that go to be with the Lord in heaven. They do not have resurrected bodies but have "spirit bodies." Everlasting life is for those on Paradise earth and consists of a resurrected body that must be maintained through eating, sleeping, etc.

As we see in the quote above, according to the Watchtower, the life that Jesus was speaking of was "everlasting life"; that is, life in heaven for the 144,000. Therefore, the Witnesses teach that the communion supper is instituted only for the 144,000 Jews and not for all Witnesses.

Since Jesus bought the church with His blood (Acts 20:28) and His blood is the blood of the covenant for the church (1 Cor. 11:25), then communion is supposed to be for all Christians and not just 144,000 elite Jehovah's Witnesses.

To be continued...

you need to take a chill pill and stop spreading false lies about Jehovah's witnesses. common sense is very far away from you.

Been waiting for the poster to answer questions about but it seems he has run out of steam.

Jesus had 12 apostles and 72 disciples during his ministry. why did he not invite all to the Last Supper?

alBHAGDADI:


The 144,000 are people who did not defile themselves with women. But those fakers in your JW organization all have wives and children. Even your GB have defiled themselves with women. So your talk of the 144,000 being JW is a lie.

Revelation 14 (KJV)
14 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty and four thousand, having his Father's name written in their foreheads.
2 And I heard a voice from heaven, as the voice of many waters, and as the voice of a great thunder: and I heard the voice of harpers harping with their harps:
3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

so what you're implying is that the 144,000 never had sex? Chineke nnam this is the greatest ignorance of 21st century.

NyenwePHC:


Piece of thrash!

Better face forward in your church and leave JW alone. At the end, una eye go clear

their eyes go clear wella

Anibaba95:
I don't believe in this heresy spread by this sect because of the adulterated teaching of Russell,Knorr and Rutherford, tho my mum and kid bro claim to be the most sanctimonious Christians on earth I still believe in Methodism and I'm a proud Methodist member, I left JW when I discovered they're diabolical in 2005 back to Methodist church Nigeria where truth is preached every Sunday.

diabolical, how?? pls explain more to me I want to learn.

HumanHairLovers:


What ideology?
Mention just one? I know you can't cos you don't know any.

she can't

Alum34:

They see themselves as only people that are worshiping God. They don't go to other congregations to worship when invited but would want others to come to theirs.

yes they don't cos it is called interfaith. go and read about interfaith.

These are deluded people, they are so righteous that they can condemn Paul, Peter and other Apostles. Many of them are mentally lazy that cannot read books written by the same organisation 70 - 80 years ago and see many of false teachings they have subtly abandoned. The other day one enthusiast was discussing with me and we got to a point where he would not admit the organisation was wrong, he brought out their hymn book and read to me the title: ' The Light is Getting Clearer' I responded, ' The Light has never been dim but you organisation gave it, it's own colouration.

sylvajoe:
Been waiting for the poster to answer questions about but it seems he has run out of steam.

Jesus had 12 apostles and 72 disciples during his ministry. why did he not invite all to the Last Supper?

he ran away, bloody mumu like him. he is a pained apostate, I've marked his username I'll make sure he pays for this falsehood about Jehovah's witnesses.

The error with this guys is their tendency to take the book of Revelations literal...
If only you understand that the book is written in prophetic language. Now, prophets do not use plain speech. They speak in symbols... That's why you find stuffs such as candle sticks, lamb, lions, etc...
To this end, the book of Revelations is only best interpreted in the light of the plain teachings of the epistles (Romans - Jude)...

The same way the early church grew by the teachings of the Apostles, their interpretation of the old testament prophets (Acts 2:42), that is the same way the book of Revelations is to be interpreted.

damosky12:
The error with this guys is their tendency to take the book of Revelations literal...
If only you understand that the book is written in prophetic language. Now, prophets do not use plain speech. They speak in symbols... That's why you find stuffs such as candle sticks, lamb, lions, etc...
To this end, the book of Revelations is only best interpreted in the light of the plain teachings of the epistles (Romans - Jude)...

The same way the early church grew by the teachings of the Apostles, their interpretation of the old testament prophets (Acts 2:42), that is the same way the book of Revelations is to be interpreted.

Good observation, but I think they have a mindset and seek to interpret along that line.

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PARACLETOS:
The Jehovahs Witnesses is a very big Scam.... In 1975 They had predicted that Christ would come back again, it failed. In 1914 they predicted the end of the world, again it failed. In 2000 they also predicted that the world would end and Christ will come again, has all these predictions fulfilled? Who ever that takes these folks serious does that at the expense of his or her soul. I have their books in my house and one of those books also taught that Abraham and all other Patriarchs of old are presently living in the world now. The name of the book is MILLIONS NOW LIVING WILL NEVER DIE. written by their diswoned brother Rutherford. That book is no more in seculation because of irregularities and false predictions in it. It is pathetic that the new crops of today's Witnesses does not know that book. If they did they would disown Watchtower!

Please leave the JWs alone if you are not sure of what to say.
I remember back then before the year 2000 some jw who came to preach in my area where being mocked for not believing the world would end by 2000. Even, I remember mocking some of my jw class mates back then.
I don't know about the other years you mentioned, but 2000 am very sure it was not from them.


And before I forget....

Those people are very unique and unlike us. They never mocked any of us when the world did not end in 2000 (as we believed). Just as they have not come here to attack or insult us for preaching and condemning them for their believes.

So let's leave them alone and learn from them...

All JWs I respect you all!!!

HumanHairLovers:



Jesus apostles were wrong many times

What matters is that they admit they were wrong.

The prediction you're talking about was not wrong anyway. Go make your findings.

Does your church ever admit they're wrong?

The light of the righteous keeps getting brighter and brighter, says the Holy Book

The righteous would stumble even 7 times and still stand up, says the word of God

So do they? Do JWs admit they're wrong?

ifyboy60:


Leave JW alone? that's only if JW can leave us alone by stopping the door to door visiting

Well.....


They are doing the work our Lord and Savior Jesus command us all to do. So praise them if we can't do better.

alBHAGDADI:


Everything about that passage points to the fact that it is talking about males. The passage says the 144,000 are those who didn't defile themselves with women.

Revelations 14:4
4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb .

Emphasis on " First fruits "

Are the apostles First fruits of God ?

Barristter07:


Emphasis on " First fruits "

Are the apostles First fruits of God ?

Before I answer your question, first of all tell me if your JW fakers claiming to be among the 144,000 today are virgins.

ifyblinksss:


U talk like a spiritual child
Now reason... Wen Revelation talked about d bride of d Lamb was it referring to a literal woman?

When it mentioned a harlot was it referring to a literal woman

Now it's mentioning a woman... Is it referring to literal women

Mk research before u mislead yourself

This kind of people shouldn't be dignified with response.
He obviously won't humble himself to get schooled.
You have given him valid reasons why he shouldn't interprete the book of revelation literally. But would he reason or would he still claim more catholic than the Pope?
No body knows all, but studying and understanding the Bible is a task that people should take seriously. Not just getting the elementary knowledge, and boom, start criticizing others.
Jehovah's Witnesses never said the 144000 are all their modern day members. I have been a member for well over 25years, and I never heard such from the organization.

He can as well say he is among the class of 14400, no body will drag that with him. But the truth remain that Jehovah knows all his chosen ones, and the 'real' chosen ones knows themselves.

Justc:
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Please leave the JWs alone if you are not sure of what to say.
I remember back then before the year 2000 some jw who came to preach in my area where being mocked for not believing the world would end by 2000. Even, I remember mocking some of my jw class mates back then.
I don't know about the other years you mentioned, but 2000 am very sure it was not from them.


And before I forget....

Those people are very unique and unlike us. They never mocked any of us when the world did not end in 2000 (as we believed). Just as they have not come here to attack or insult us for preaching and condemning them for their believes.

So let's leave them alone and learn from them...

All JWs I respect you all!!!

We appreciate your salute.

Silentscreamer:
Jw prophecied the world will end in 1914, last i checked, the world hasn't ended. No true prophet of God made a false prophecy in the bible. Only false prophets make false prophecies.

JuanDeDios:

So do they? Do JWs admit they're wrong?

They don't have prophets and they don't claim to be prophets.

The Bible doesn't support that there would be prophets in our time. Neither do we claim so.


Our understanding of the Bible made us understand that God's kingdom started ruling in 1914.

It was that understanding that we had. We felt that that kingdom extended to the earth but which wasn't true.

But that 1914 heralded the reign of Christ was true.

Our understanding of the Bible is not complete but what we hold is the truth. If it needs to be adjusted we would humbly do so as far it is in line with the Bible and not man's thought.

Just aa Daniel account helps us understand that the true knowledge would become abundant at the end of times. Dan 12:4

So that means all understanding won't definitely be clear at one single time.

Just the same it wasn't for the apostles. Matt 24: 1-14.


Today as we study the Bible and our understanding becomes clearer we adjust to the truth.


Which is not the same with other religions who claim they're the custodians of spiritual truth when they're clear evidence from the Bible that their teachings are filled with lies.


They don't want to change or adjust. They forget that the light of the righteous keeps getting brighter & brighter.


For example we first celebrated Christmas, but when we found out that it wasn't in the Bible we stopped it immediately.

Can you say that for others?

Now that is one out of a thousand.

It pains a lot to see a disabled you intended to help turn against you, calling you a fraudster. Thats what many have done to this sincere worhipers of the only true God. They are not paid yet they still have to provide for the family and finance their life-saving work, yet many turn against them and mistreat them. They've suffered persecutions, oppositions, shame, abuse ect, yet come rain come sun they are still there with the bags carry utensils of peace for the nations. How sad!


Who said Jehovah's witnesses are false religion?

Lets face it.

Apart from JW's which other religion are obeying the direct command of Jesus to preach from city to city and from house to house?(matt 6:11-14;24:14;28:18-20)

Which religion love it members more than JW's?
(John 13:34,35)

Except JW's which religion know and fulfil the law of christ? (Gal 6:2).

Which religion except JW's obey the law of blood, sex, politics, peace as stated in God's word the bible?

Judge for yourself with your conscience.