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Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 9:34pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Uchenaija:All his families are Witnesses and he also attend all our meetings! But he's eagerly anticipating that time when people will start attacking JWs so he'll be the first to start disclosing where brothers could be found! Matthew 24:10 So let's just keep praying that JEHOVAH rescue us from such false brothers, because they're not ready to leave the organization but laying ambush to join in devastating the congregation of God! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by achorladey: 9:37pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Uchenaija: Oops my response came in late. Sorry about that. Oga Uchenaija, you still dey SWEAR. Hahahahahaha! I only hope you can work seriously on the last line of this your post. As it is, you get agitated EASILY and that's A BIG ROOM FOR MISTAKES. I hope this advice don't come in late again 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Uchenaija: 9:55pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
Maximus69: Lol, he's just a small inconsequential thing that has little or no value in the Jehovah's arrangement of things. We're waiting for him let him bring it on. He won't know what hit him ![]() 1 Like
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Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by JuanDeDios: 9:57pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
HumanHairLovers:1. Acts 20:20 “You know that I have not hesitated to preach anything that would be helpful to you but have taught you publicly and from house to house.” These are the words of Paul the apostle. Was he speaking to or referring to unbelievers? No. He was speaking to the elders of the Ephesian church (See verse 17). So this was Paul talking about visiting and teaching his fellow Christians in their houses. And that, people, is the sum total of scriptural authority relied upon for going house to house with unbelievers by Human Hair and her JW brethren. Oh, there are other scriptures? Ok, let’s see. Acts 5:42. Here, Luke the physician reports that the disciples went house to house. This could easily have amounted to visiting their brethren at their homes like St Paul did. I mean, we can easily explain this verse by Acts 20. This verse is not sufficient for us to conclude that the disciples did preach house to house because other instances demonstrate that they were in the habit of speaking to gatherings. Say again. I’m twisting scripture? Ok. Let’s say Acts 5:42 does support your position and some disciples actually preached house to house. What about “Jesus himself”? Matthew 10:11-14. First read the whole chapter and not merely lift those that suit your agenda. Done? Good. The contents of Matthew 10 are also found in Luke 10. In this chapter, Jesus sends out the 70 disciples to… drive out evil spirits and heal the sick. Yes, that’s verse one of Matt 10 – nothing about proselytising. In verse 7 he asks them to declare the good news but adds that they heal the sick and chase out demons. This was the commission. House visit is mentioned in verse 11 but this is not house to house. He says when you find a welcoming person, stay here. The way this happened in the old days was you camp at someone’s house and other villagers came to listen to you there. This was Jesus’ model of preaching - he would visit a house or a place camp there: Mary and Martha’s house; Zaccheus’ house; Olive, etc. All the records we have of him in the Bible are of crowds listening to him; there is no single record of him going house to house. But maybe you have one – afterall you know Bible. The Jesus model is what the churches try to re-enact today when they hold a crusade and crowds come to listen – just like the sermon on the mount. And this has proved far more effective for “soul-winning” than the unbiblical house to house to method. (I can prove that.) But Jesus was not silent about house to house preaching – so nobody can really claim ignorance. He spoke about house to house. Clearly. Matthew omits it from his record of 70-disciple mission but Luke does not. So in Luke 10:5-7, we read: 5 “When you enter a house, first say, ‘Peace to this house.’ 6 If someone who promotes peace is there, your peace will rest on them; if not, it will return to you. 7 Stay there, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house. (NIV) New World Translation (7): “So stay in that house, eating and drinking the things they provide, for the worker is worthy of his wages. Do not keep transferring from house to house.” Here is “Jesus himself” expressly forbidding house to house preaching to unbelievers in the same mission you referenced by quoting Matt 10. You see how easy it is to con you when you let someone else read and emphasise the verses he likes to you while you don’t question his interpretation? 2. You did not answer what you’d do if there’s a conflict. I know what you’d do – you won’t pray for understanding. You’d do “research” – not from encyclopedia or other religious books (which you’re forbidden from reading), but from your church’s books. (Yes, you have the “truth” but you’re not allowed to interrogate it by reading outside your religion. Sounds like being “the most open-minded”, doesn’t it?) That is, when in doubt of your church’s teachings or facing a conflict, you would go read more of the same materials that poisoned your mind in the first place, not to find any objective truth but to reaffirm that you’ve been thought (“the truth”) is the truth. Brilliant, isn’t it? 3. You have no idea. Actually, you people have claimed to be prophets. Yes, you “do claim so”. The Watchtower. April 1, 1972. pp. 197–200. - states that God had raised Jehovah's Witnesses as a prophet "to warn (people) of dangers and declare things to come". The Watchtower. May 1, 1997. p. 8.- identifies the Witnesses as God’s "true messengers ... by making the messages he delivers through them come true", in contrast to "false messengers", whose predictions fail. Commissioned to Speak in the Divine Name. Watchtower Bible and Tract Society. 1971. pp. 70, 292.which describes Witnesses as the modern Ezekiel class, "a genuine prophet within our generation". So are you prophets or not? You look confused. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by JuanDeDios: 9:59pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
You ask if there’s anything you teach that is not in the Bible? Plenty. Do you have the whole day? Anyway, I already showed you some – like house to house. But as soon as you read all this, you’d go do “research”. You won’t think critically. Or read Matthew Henry’s Commentary on the New Testament. Or go find an encyclopedia. Or pray for the Holy Spirit. Or read materials written by renowned by Bible scholars. You’d just “do research”. Your puppet masters are so good at it that they’ve managed to convince you that not allowing you to read some classes of books (e.g. those written by pastors or folks from any religion) is good for you. Because you don’t understand how mind control works, you’re happy. That’s why someone would throw away his military career to chase a Brooklyn bridge thinking it’s a bridge to God. As if he’d fold his hands and do “harmless dove” if his wife and kids are attacked by club-wielding robbers. Or Boko Haram. Well, maybe he would - "God's arrangement" says so. But what do I know? Forward march to God’s Kingdom where there’d be no more war and violence. For the here and now, “the Bible says” it’s a horrible sin to defend innocent villagers against killers – God wants us to leave them to be slaughtered! |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Uchenaija: 10:34pm On Jul 08, 2019 |
JuanDeDios: As it stands now I'm very tired and have no interest in brandishing words with you. But so it won't look like you have some sense let me leave you with some acumen. Acts 20:21 that you ignored 21 I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus. Was he preaching repentance to his fellow Christians..... mumu Note too he was speaking from the past preaching activity. Matt 10 Their commission was to heal, so that they'll repent from healing. Abi? Your sense is peeling He sent his disciples in twos to do crusade inside people's house. Ode Luke 10 Do not move around houses. Your interpretation: enter house that accept you and stay till you leave. And then don't move around houses. Werey Prophets proclaiming Jehovah's message found where? Shey in the Bible. I know you're mad but you don't know it. Don't mention me or any Jw again in this forum with this your low childish puffed up apostate sense |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Barristter07: 1:32am On Jul 09, 2019 |
alBHAGDADI: Banning Marriage or sex relation in marriage is listed among the teachings of demons (1 Tim 4:3) , so be careful here . Revelation is presented in symbolic languages. Are the apostles First fruits ? Revelation 14:1-3 refer to the 144,000 as *First fruits* .. 1 Like |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 9:39am On Jul 09, 2019 |
achorladey:' For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.' 2Cor. 10: 12 In my original contribution, I pointed out that this organisation can criticize even Paul and Peter and even Jesus for self defense and telling people they are the only group serving God correctly. This myopic view has done humanity much evil than good. Hitler was talking about superior race; Muhammad, superior faith; JW, superior practice. So, Jesus was wrong for preaching by seaside or other convenient places? Philip in Samaria held a crusade and that is wrong by JW standard. What is important in preaching or teaching than correct soul winning not evil indoctrination of JW. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 9:56am On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: mightysparrow has made 3 false allegations without any concrete proof. Pls keep the LIES coming.... |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 9:58am On Jul 09, 2019 |
Uchenaija:You too don't read about the Holy Spirit with the Google of JW doctrine. Take different versions of the Bible and read that alone without any book. If you do these honestly for three months, you Will have known the first hand truth by yourself. But, I am almost sure you won't because most of you I have met exhibit mental laziness. I want be suprise if you will write back nonsense rather than being honest. Be faithful to God and honest with yourself than being faithful to one organisation spending millions of dollars publishing nonsense, misleading the body of Christ. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 10:02am On Jul 09, 2019 |
Janosky:Like most of you I have met are not honest, you have cut the vital aspect of the post off. You are not honest. Continue to defend your Organisation. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 10:15am On Jul 09, 2019 |
Uchenaija: Thank you very much ! "low childish puffed up apostate sense" indeed. I'm very sure that "JuanDeDios" is "illbliss" and "Hairyrapunzel" , the same person using 3 different monikers. The Gubernatorial candidate of Yaba/Uselu kolomental State. What a rabid apostate ! He has consistently and deviously misquoted Acts20:20 to promote his satanic disdain for the preaching of the good news preached and commanded by Jesus Christ. (Luke8:1. Mark1:14,15. Acts8:12. Matt 24:14) 1 Like |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 10:29am On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: You're the one who exhibits mental laziness , anywhere you see the word "spirit" (for instance Eccl 12:7) ,you zero your mind on only one thing, while you're blissfully lazy to research and discover it's true meaning in the context of that scripture and the entire bible. That's what you get when you leave your house every Sunday and dust your bible to go and listen to junk from the pulpits of pastorpreneurs who empty your pockets before you return home. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 11:53am On Jul 09, 2019 |
Janosky:You are still what I call you, forget about self defense, buy three or four versions of the Bible, don't use a concordance,. be honest, Eccl. 12: 7 is just one of the scriptures about spirit / The Holy Spirit. You mentioned pastorpreneur, that is the way you see it. You are a follower of a pastor an interpreter as any of the scriptures. You may want to deny it, but you are. If others can be wrong, so are your leaders. But the scriptures are open to anyone to read and understand. If the current church I attend is not making sense to me by my own search and research of over 30 years I will quit. Although, knowledge starts with indoctrination, then, personal findings. I am not a member of Deeper Life, my denomination not necessary. I read anything to stay in the middle of the road, I read the Bible more . I am currently studying two books written by C. T. Russell himself and have been doing that for over 30 years. He is just another interpreter like any other. In my search, the idea of 1914 celebrated by JW was not originally his. He too was a repeater of other people's ideas. Bro. get down to work! Shalom. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Barristter07: 11:58am On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: Good morning Do you mean Spirit at Eccl 12:7 refers to holy spirit ? |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 12:08pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Barristter07:Whichever, get to work. Bro. I don't want to entertain such argument. I am used to that over decades and acquired and studied your Reasoning from the Scriptures and What the Bible really Teaches. Such submissions do not hold water. Like Beraan believers labour on the scriptures yourself. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Barristter07: 12:13pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: I have done that, Okay . But now that you present something that contradicts what I researched. , Matthew 7:7 says " keep on ASKING " I therefore Ask, Do u mean Spirit at Eccl 12:7 refers to holy spirit going by your previous statement ? |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Uchenaija: 12:45pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: So all the scriptures I've been using on this thread did you see any Jw version of the Bible in it? Don't mention me again if you don't want to be unfortunate in life with your fruitless hare-brained dumb-ass unresearched attacks. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 2:29pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Uchenaija:Truth is always painful, why cursing? My own Bible says, ' bless and curse not.' Can you now see religion without character? This shows what your organisation has made you. My friend, why not get to work and not being arrogantly conceited? |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 2:35pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Barristter07: That Scripture talks about prayer, I hope you are not mistakenly praying to me. I am not interested in discussion. I only offer a piece of advice. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 4:51pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
144,000 is mentioned twice in the book of Revelation and it's the topic of this thread, please why can't the OP enlighten his followers on the significance of the figure? Jehovah's Witnesses have presented their own understanding of the scriptures, correlating it with other texts in the scriptures, it's meaningless directing everyone to the presentation of another group when you're asserting that such presentation is wrong yet you're not making any effort to help your audience know the correct interpretation of that text! ![]() Jesus actually condemned false teachings but he won't do so WITHOUT presenting the correct interpretation of the scriptures for the benefit of all! This is not about just arguing for nothing sake, it's about helping your audience to KNOW THE TRUTH! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Janosky: 5:14pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Maximus69: OLAADEGBU's cult of personality god ,A.KA 'dlbc Daddy GS no fit gif am expo nau.... Him dlbc Daddy GS no know the koko...... person wey him daddy GS dey feed junk go fit belleful ? Lol |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 5:32pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Janosky: NO! NO!! NO!!! Janosky, i disagree with you on that! ![]() It's obvious he has hands to type and there must be something in his mind to correct the errors of the JWs, so instead of answering for him, i'll prefer to hear from him directly! John 7:51 ![]() I'm sure he must have something to say before opening a thread on the issue to refute JWs teachings, he can't be empty and yet pointing accusing fingers at the result of someone's thorough research! Luke 6:45 ![]() So let's hear him out nah,after all if he could condemn the hard work of a global group he should have a better answer! ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:40pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
andycom: Can you point out what is false about the expose on JW theology? ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:42pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
fof1: Calm down, don't blow a gasket. I am only exposing the lies in the false theology of the JWs, can't you see that? ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:45pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
NyenwePHC: What is trash about the article, do you care to point it out? ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:47pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Dohwho: Do you partake of the Lord's Supper (Holy Communion)? ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by OLAADEGBU(m): 5:48pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
Hotzone: Do you find yourself worthy to partake in the Lord's Supper? ![]() |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by achorladey: 8:55pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
MightySparrow: Funny, some will tell you categorically that it is a faceless platform and it is a LEEWAY to commit all sorts of things. (CURSING and INSULTS). Perhaps they know God's mind about FACELESS platform. Afterall It's just a FACELESS PLATFORM! Yet all hidden things is OPENLY EXPOSED to the one who we all RENDER ACCOUNT to. I don't think FACELESS FORUM like NAIRALAND is part of such HIDDEN THINGS! Your repsonse should be soothing for that agitated one. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by andycom(m): 9:18pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
OLAADEGBU: you and your useless life is what I have pointed out, now get lost and don't mention my name again, APOSTATE. |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by MightySparrow: 9:39pm On Jul 09, 2019 |
achorladey:Thanks for your comment |
Re: The Lord's Supper And The 144,000 Anointed Jehovah Witnesses by Nobody: 7:23am On Jul 10, 2019 |
andycom: The figure 144,000 appeared twice in the same book of Revelation. Their pastors will continue to hammer on 'Lake of fire' to scare them so that they can donate all their life savings to those greedy predators. But 144,000 that has appeared in the same book is what JWs has solved the riddle behind it, now they're all wagging their tongues simply because their so called Daddy and Mummy GOs, Daddy SP haven't taught them anything relating to the mentioned figure! ![]() 1 Like |
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