BARAJ92:
Stones and Laporte. Injury to van Dijk and henderson will weaken that Liverpool team

BARAJ92:
Stones and Laporte. Injury to van Dijk and henderson will weaken that Liverpool team

Eruditor:


It is Pep Guardiola. So they will never agree. As if City did not lose 4 games last season to LFC's only 1 when they still won the league.

Injury to a team depends on
1. If you have sufficient replacement for that player
2. If the player's role is significant to the team's overarching game

City for e.g can survive without Aguero (albeit he is better than Jesus) simply because Jesus is not a huge dropoff on Aguero.

But Otamendi is a HUMONGOUS dropoff on Laporte and is solely responsible for 2 City losses this season.

Allison Becker and VVD are pivotal to Liverpool's game. They will draw and lose one or two games were one or the other is missing. If both, they will lose multiple games.

Salah, Mane are key but you can survive if one or the other is missing. The output will definitely reduce but a 1-0 win is still a win.

So part of City's frailties this season so far is not just injury but injuries to KEY components. Another reason is motivation. Motivation to churn out 30+ wins again.

In the years United won the EPL back to back to back, you can look at their collection of points: 79, 91, 80 and 89, 87, 90. Pep got 276 points in his first 3 seasons. Which is better than anything United did in that time frame.

This season, RM and Barca will have the same points as City and Leicester after 21 games and they are 1 and 2 in La Liga. So City are competing meaningfully regardless of a slightly dampened level of motivation.

The only issue is...Liverpool are performing well-above the mean that is clearly unsustainable. It also helps that they seemed to have enjoyed favors that could have created chinks in their armour.

izzou:


Alison Becker got injured at the beginning of this season. He was even red carded sef

Kindly tell us how many games they lost or drew while he was away

Eruditor:


I would reply you but you are not objective as evidenced by your previous post. So believe what you want amigo.

Eruditor:


It is Pep Guardiola. So they will never agree. As if City did not lose 4 games last season to LFC's only 1 when they still won the league.

Injury to a team depends on
1. If you have sufficient replacement for that player
2. If the player's role is significant to the team's overarching game

City for e.g can survive without Aguero (albeit he is better than Jesus) simply because Jesus is not a huge dropoff on Aguero.

But Otamendi is a HUMONGOUS dropoff on Laporte and is solely responsible for 2 City losses this season.

Allison Becker and VVD are pivotal to Liverpool's game. They will draw and lose one or two games were one or the other is missing. If both, they will lose multiple games.

Salah, Mane are key but you can survive if one or the other is missing. The output will definitely reduce but a 1-0 win is still a win.

So part of City's frailties this season so far is not just injury but injuries to KEY components. Another reason is motivation. Motivation to churn out 30+ wins again.

In the years United won the EPL back to back to back, you can look at their collection of points: 79, 91, 80 and 89, 87, 90. Pep got 276 points in his first 3 seasons. Which is better than anything United did in that time frame.

This season, RM and Barca will have the same points as City and Leicester after 21 games and they are 1 and 2 in La Liga. So City are competing meaningfully regardless of a slightly dampened level of motivation.

The only issue is...Liverpool are performing well-above the mean that is clearly unsustainable. It also helps that they seemed to have enjoyed favors that could have created chinks in their armour.

izzou:


I'm not here to argue either. I've never joined the "Pep is a fraud" chants. Pep is a good coach; a very good one. But making excuses for his losses because of the absence of one or two players don't cut it.

Because one is performing better than you, doesn't mean they have it all. Liverpool have had more injuries than Man City this season. 5 of their first team squad are injured. Keita was to start yesterday. It was in the dressing room Milner came up because of injury. Yet Klopp still manages them

I'm not here to argue back and forth. Pep missed it this season. It happens. So no need to use the injury line as an excuse.

BlueAngel444:


And that's what it means to be a manager... Manage

Greatihex:
I agree with your point, but for your last paragraph, City benefitted as much during their own league wins.

Eruditor:


It is Pep Guardiola. So they will never agree. As if City did not lose 4 games last season to LFC's only 1 when they still won the league.

Injury to a team depends on
1. If you have sufficient replacement for that player
2. If the player's role is significant to the team's overarching game

City for e.g can survive without Aguero (albeit he is better than Jesus) simply because Jesus is not a huge dropoff on Aguero.

But Otamendi is a HUMONGOUS dropoff on Laporte and is solely responsible for 2 City losses this season.

Allison Becker and VVD are pivotal to Liverpool's game. They will draw and lose one or two games were one or the other is missing. If both, they will lose multiple games.

Salah, Mane are key but you can survive if one or the other is missing. The output will definitely reduce but a 1-0 win is still a win.

So part of City's frailties this season so far is not just injury but injuries to KEY components. Another reason is motivation. Motivation to churn out 30+ wins again.

In the years United won the EPL back to back to back, you can look at their collection of points: 79, 91, 80 and 89, 87, 90. Pep got 276 points in his first 3 seasons. Which is better than anything United did in that time frame.

This season, RM and Barca will have the same points as City and Leicester after 21 games and they are 1 and 2 in La Liga. So City are competing meaningfully regardless of a slightly dampened level of motivation.

The only issue is...Liverpool are performing well-above the mean that is clearly unsustainable. It also helps that they seemed to have enjoyed favors that could have created chinks in their armour.

izzou:


I'm not here to argue either. I've never joined the "Pep is a fraud" chants. Pep is a good coach; a very good one. But making excuses for his losses because of the absence of one or two players don't cut it.

Because one is performing better than you, doesn't mean they have it all. Liverpool have had more injuries than Man City this season. 5 of their first team squad are injured. Keita was to start yesterday. It was in the dressing room Milner came up because of injury. Yet Klopp still manages them

I'm not here to argue back and forth. Pep missed it this season. It happens. So no need to use the injury line as an excuse.

izzou:


Even the match that Becker was redcarded, Liverpool managed to win (2-1 or so)

Yet, City was 2 goals up against Wolves with a red card, and they still lost.

Pep lost it this season.. I don't know better than him, but he has been poor in managing the team this season

Eruditor:


Like I said before, you are not objective so I don't know if there is a point in this. I can't be seeing Oxlade, Shaqiri or that LFC have had more injuries than City and take your argument at face value.

If you were being objective, go back to the archives and see the City players that have been out this season. You can mention me again after that then I would ask you for the sufficient replacement for those players and how key those players are to the way City play.

Till then, it is a free world. Believe what you want.

Eruditor:


LOL.

If they ask you now, you would go mute.

Eruditor:


Proof again of what I said earlier.

You want to compare Brighton at Anfield to Wolves at their home ground?

Red card when Liverpool are up 2-0 with how few mins to go compared to City with a red card from the 12th min?

LOL

patrickmuf:
Allison has had his time on the sidelines this season but Liverpool didn't make excuse of his absence. Fabinho, a key cog in that Liverpool midfield has been out for the past couple of weeks yet nobody is talking about him. Salah too has missed games this season. Matip and Lovren are out injured but nobody is making excuses of their absence.

If motivation should suffice as an excuse, then we should gives props to the likes of Fergie who also found a way to keep the players motivated in spite of their successes in the league. It is one area where I think Fergie is significantly better than Pep, Mourinho and the likes. I have not added Klopp because I want to see how well he will handle the pressure that comes with staying at the top of the log after they prolly win the league this season but based on his time with BVB, he fits into the bracket of short term managers.

Talking about point haul, if you conveniently argue that player quality cannot be measured seasons apart, why don't you apply same logic here? Do you think those points recorded in the past means that this city team with blow any of those title winning teams apart? Will this City team stand a chance against Manchester United's 2008 team? Will they stand a chance against the invincibles of Arsenal? I think not but those teams never won 100 pts in the league doesn't mean they're in anyway inferior...

LegoxMetahuman:
wait o

matip has been out? same matip raumdeuter told us he is the engine room of liverpool defense after alison chants failed?


yet liverpool has kept 4 straight cleans sheets.

patrickmuf:
Allison has had his time on the sidelines this season but Liverpool didn't make excuse of his absence. Fabinho, a key cog in that Liverpool midfield has been out for the past couple of weeks yet nobody is talking about him. Salah too has missed games this season. Matip and Lovren are out injured but nobody is making excuses of their absence.

If motivation should suffice as an excuse, then we should gives props to the likes of Fergie who also found a way to keep the players motivated in spite of their successes in the league. It is one area where I think Fergie is significantly better than Pep, Mourinho and the likes. I have not added Klopp because I want to see how well he will handle the pressure that comes with staying at the top of the log after they prolly win the league this season but based on his time with BVB, he fits into the bracket of short term managers.

Talking about point haul, if you conveniently argue that player quality cannot be measured seasons apart, why don't you apply same logic here? Do you think those points recorded in the past means that this city team with blow any of those title winning teams apart? Will this City team stand a chance against Manchester United's 2008 team? Will they stand a chance against the invincibles of Arsenal? I think not but those teams never won 100 pts in the league doesn't mean they're in anyway inferior...

Eruditor:


Your argument is all over the place.

City have won games without Ederson, KdB, Mendy, Zinchenko, Aguero, Laporte, Sané this season already. Any team can survive here and there with key injuries but it is a different kettle of fish when a key player is out for 6 months.

I am not going into any SAF arguments simply because it will always be subjective. But if you think winning a league with 100 and 98 pts os equal to winning with 87 and 90 points be my guest.

If you are asking if City is better than those teams in the EPL, the answer is simple. Will City win the league in those seasons?

izzou:


As at 50 minutes in the match, City were 2 goals up. And in 40 minutes they bottled it.

What's your explanation for that?

And at the bolded, are you saying Wolves have not lost or had a draw in their home? Or should we list teams that have gotten a point from there

Bros, it is difficult to stay at the top, and that is what Pep is experiencing. But apart from that, he has been poor in managing that team.

patrickmuf:
Chamberlain was a key member of Liverpool's when they reached the UCL final 2 seasons ago, he was injured for a year and nobody complained. Fabinho is just as important for Liverpool as Laporte is for City. Overall, Liverpool have had to deal with more injuries to their first team squad but nobody is using it as an excuse.

Regarding City winning the league when Manchester United and Arsenal were in the peak of their powers, I'd say it will be very difficult maybe a title here or there but they wouldn't dominate the league...

patrickmuf:
Nothing about SAF is subjective, he managed to keep his players motivated over time, something Pep is struggling to do...This one isn't debatable.

Eruditor:


Fabinho is like Laporte to City? LOL.
Chamberlain is important to LFC. LOL.
More injuries. LOOOOOOL.

Eruditor:


Yea. Winning a league with 81 points. That is motivation compared to City that may probably need 94pts this season to win the league.

Eruditor:


10 mins away from home against a team like Wolves is enough time. Liverpool just barely beat them by a goal that VAR should have disallowed seeing that they disallowed Wolves goal and Liverpool were at Anfield. You can use your own imagination to predict how that game could have gone if Liverpool had a red card in the 12th min.

izzou:


I took your advice and these are City's injured players currently

So kindly show me how the absence of these two made Pep lose matches to even smaller teams.