Rumxy:

Based on legacies, Awo trumps Zik and Bello but based on overall politics and influence across Nigeria and Africa, they are no match to Zik.

Zik of Africa is just a misnomer.

The real Pan-Africanists are well known unlike Zik. Kwame Nkrumah and co.

senatordave1:

Not just for his people but nationally,who has more influence

What influence does Tinubu have? He can't even exert his influence in ondo and Ekiti and you are talking about national politics.

You saw how he was disgraced in June 2015 when he tried to influence the NASS election

huptin:


Awolowo way Ikoyi, Awolowo road in Ikeja both roads are verrrry strategic to the commercial capital of Nigeria and more people use them in a day than the number of people that sees Zik's monument in a month

lolz this one is talking about street ikoyi and Ikeja you mention are still in western Nigeria which still made him a local champion zik have a road name after him in far abuja and even Lagos you mention zik and Mandela have monuments built for them by their countries which one is build for awolowo How many national assets is name on awolowo compare to zik







I still remain Ada ogwashi

Agboriotejoye:

I'm not obsessed with OBJ and I don't know what you mean by accidental leader. OBJ is still the smartest and most widely recognised and respected democratic leader we've ever had as a nation. Consider that he hosted two sitting US presidents while Buhari for example is yet to host even a US vice president. The best he has gotten so far is the secy of state.

That Tinubu has produced more politicians is debatable but what is not debatable is the spread. You mentioned national politics. Most politicians from Tinubu's stable are south west, Lagos to be precise. OBJ's disciples are more diverse with spread all over Nigeria.

It is true that he's the only one standing from his class of 99 especially in terms of still holding his state by the jugular. I don't know if that counts in terms of national politics neither can it be counted as a plus for him.

As for those other achievements you counted, I think what has worked for him is actually being out of office and the massive financial chest at his disposal. None of those have any bearing on national politics. They are regional at best.

you are really on point. OBJ's disciples cut across the whole country while Tinubu's disciples are mainly regional. So why comparing somebody that was in full control and Kingmaker of Nigerian national politics for 16 years to somebody that just came into national political landscape in 2015 and let's not also forget Buhari's influence in the north which is even greater than tinubu's influence in the west.

PaChukwudi44:

What influence does Tinubu have? He can't even exert his influence in ondo and Ekiti and you are talking about national politics.

You saw how he was disgraced in June 2015 when he tried to influence the NASS election

But he's greater than saraki

kayfra:


Zik of Africa is just a misnomer.

The real Pan-Africanists are well known unlike Zik. Kwame Nkrumah and co.

Even American government know zik of Africa when you mention it to them compare to awolowo that won't cross western Nigeria




I still remain Ada ogwashi

Agboriotejoye:

I'm not obsessed with OBJ and I don't know what you mean by accidental leader. OBJ is still the smartest and most widely recognised and respected democratic leader we've ever had as a nation. Consider that he hosted two sitting US presidents while Buhari for example is yet to host even a US vice president. The best he has gotten so far is the secy of state.

That Tinubu has produced more politicians is debatable but what is not debatable is the spread. You mentioned national politics. Most politicians from Tinubu's stable are south west, Lagos to be precise. OBJ's disciples are more diverse with spread all over Nigeria.

It is true that he's the only one standing from his class of 99 especially in terms of still holding his state by the jugular. I don't know if that counts in terms of national politics neither can it be counted as a plus for him.

As for those other achievements you counted, I think what has worked for him is actually being out of office and the massive financial chest at his disposal. None of those have any bearing on national politics. They are regional at best.

Mention the politicians obj produced firstly and helped into office.secondly,what has obj achieved since leaving office politically? Has anybody he supported ever won? Can he win his state or ward? Him hosting presidents while in office doesn't concern tinubu.mind you,obj has a massive financial warchest like tinubu and even had more access to state resources yet achieved less than tinubu

Rumxy:


you are really on point. OBJ's disciples cut across the whole country while Tinubu's disciples are mainly regional. So why comparing somebody that was in full control and Kingmaker of Nigerian national politics for 16 years to somebody that just came into national political landscape in 2015 and let's not also forget Buhari's influence in the north which is even greater than tinubu's influence in the west.

Who are these obj disciples

senatordave1:

But he's greater than saraki

In a straight up presidential election contest between Saraki vs Tinubu, the only place jagaban can win is the SW.

Precious4real50:
Even American government know zik of Africa when you mention it to them compare to awolowo that won't cross western Nigeria




I still remain Ada ogwashi

Zik ko, Peak milk ni

Maybe his alma mater in America remember him

Franzinni:
his fellow members right ... Anyway you know it takes one to know one ... They are all in it together

yes oooo

kayfra:


Zik of Africa is just a misnomer.

The real Pan-Africanists are well known unlike Zik. Kwame Nkrumah and co.

is a misnomer because you say so. please kindly educate yourself. below is the 50 most important pan africanists in history https://www.panafricanalliance.com/50-most-important-pan-africans/

incase you don't know, Zik and Nkrumah graduated from the same university in the US and both share the same political ideology. Due to their achievements, they have a building dedicated and named after them to celebrate them as pan africanists.

Rumxy:


is a misnomer because you say so. please kindly educate yourself. below is the 50 most important pan africanists in history https://www.panafricanalliance.com/50-most-important-pan-africans/

incase you don't know, Zik and Nkrumah graduated from the same university in the US and both share the same political ideology. Due to their achievements, they have a building dedicated and named after them to celebrate them as pan africanists.

Pan-Africanism exists as a governmental and grassroots objective. Pan-African advocates include leaders such as Haile Selassie, Julius Nyerere, Ahmed Sékou Touré, Kwame Nkrumah, King Sobhuza II, Thomas Sankara and Muammar Gaddafi, grassroots organizers such as Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, academics such as W. E. B. Du Bois, and others in the diaspora.


Zik was just a swagger jacker. A scrub

Agboriotejoye:


There's a lot of things I agree with in your post. Awolowo was more of a knife edged politician. A transformational leader who believed his way was the best. He never excelled in the kind of horse trading or negotiations politicians like zik or Bello excelled at. Which is why he moved like a lone ranger. So, in terms of politics, you can be very correct in your analysis but in terms of leadership, he towers far above zik or Ahmadu Bello.

Yes, in terms of leadership, he's head and shoulders above Zik. but Zik's oratory skill and pragmatism was miles ahead of Awo

kayfra:


Pan-Africanism exists as a governmental and grassroots objective. Pan-African advocates include leaders such as Haile Selassie, Julius Nyerere, Ahmed Sékou Touré, Kwame Nkrumah, King Sobhuza II, Thomas Sankara and Muammar Gaddafi, grassroots organizers such as Marcus Garvey and Malcolm X, academics such as W. E. B. Du Bois, and others in the diaspora.


Zik was just a swagger jacker. A scrub

Until you are able to erase his name from this list that also includes all the names you mentioned above, then I don't have any meaningful argument with you.

Precious4real50:
lolz this one is talking about street ikoyi and Ikeja you mention are still in western Nigeria which still made him a local champion zik have a road name after him in far abuja and even Lagos you mention zik and Mandela have monuments built for them by their countries which one is build for awolowo How many national assets is name on awolowo compare to zik







I still remain Ada ogwashi

Awolowo also have roads named after him in Abuja, but please and please how many streets in the whole of the east and Abuja, have more clout, is more strategic and have half as much visibility as any of dose? You know what? On the average 100 times more igbo uses those roads than the number of Yorubas or any one else that are aware of all those audio monuments you mention for Zik!

It is not the number of monuments that matter, it is how strategic they are, as i type, millions of your brother's livelihood depend on those streets, am not sure a yoruba man will care if they ban him from visiting any of your so called Zik's monuments, but millions of igbos will starve if they stop them from visiting those roads in Lagos.

Just stating facts!

nku5:


In a straight up presidential election contest between Saraki vs Tinubu, the only place jagaban can win is the SW.

yesss oooo but Otoge stop saraki in kwara but otoge was unable to stop Tinubu in Lagos and south west ??there is different between those who fortunately inherited political offices and those who is not an office holder who built a political structure that is changing and determine the political and economic offices holders directions in the country (Nigeria.)

He don't enjoy good hours of electricity

He don't have good roads

He don't have water

He don't have good health care system


He don't have good education system

Nor good economy

No security


He's more concern about the greatest politician

That's how the brain of a Nigerian is configured

huptin:


Awolowo also have roads named after him in Abuja, but please and please how many streets in the whole of the east and Abuja, have more clouts, is more strategic and have half as much visibility as any of dose, you know what? On the average 100 times more igbo uses those roads than the number of Yorubas or any one else that are aware of all those audio monuments you mention for Zik!

It is not the number of monuments that matter, it is how strategic they are, as i type millions of your brother's livelihood depend on those streets, am not sure a yoruba man will care if they ban bi him from visiting any of your so called Zik's monuments, but millions of igbos will starve if they stop them from visiting those roads in Lagos.

Just stating facts!

Lolz Mr man stop comparing zik to awolowo ,zik has international airport in Nigeria name after him zik have international stadium in Nigeria name after him zik has national monument built by Nigeria government for him plus many more national assets name after him in Nigeria






I still remain Ada ogwashi

ezenwajosh:
He don't enjoy good hours of electricity

He don't have good roads

He don't have water

He don't have good health care system


He don't have good education system

Nor good economy

No security


He's more concern about the greatest politician

That's how the brain of a Nigerian is configured

Imam of Peace was right"Stupid people elect stupid leaders". He is one of the clowns lining up at the gate to collect crumbs.

There is a big difference between being the best and greatest. Saying that Tinubu is the greatest Nigerian politician is an insult to even the SW who had Awolowo not to talk of Nigeria as a whole that have had Zik, Bello etc.

I think the right word should be that Tinubu is the best political strategist in this present political dispensation. Even his strongest critics won't argue with that.

senatordave1:

Overall politics.politics is very wide not narrow.ahmadu bello to me towers above awo while tinubu is the ultimate

Ahmadu Bello towering above Awo is debatable. He might have been a very good politician in the sense of popularity but definitely not in terms of development

Rumxy:
There is a big difference between being the best and greatest. Saying that Tinubu is the greatest Nigerian politician is an insult to even the SW who had Awolowo not to talk of Nigeria as a whole that have had Zik, Bello etc.

I think the right word should be that Tinubu is the best political strategist in this present political dispensation. Even his strongest critics won't argue with that.

I guess you didn't read the OP post, you only read his title.

He said in this 4th republic

Precious4real50:
Zik is a leader that was far recognized in Africa than awolowo that was only recognized in western Nigeria. When it come to nationalist zik and Mandela are still the most respectful Africa men on earth till today.

I still remain Ada ogwashi

Dats true though.

nku5:


In a straight up presidential election contest between Saraki vs Tinubu, the only place jagaban can win is the SW.

Can saraki even win the north central? Only buhari can defeat tinubu.tinubu used lai mountain to dethrone him in kwara so please saraki is out of the equatiin

Agboriotejoye:

Dats true though.

There's a reason why mandela is regarded as the greatest African.how days she compare zik? Mandela but his life on the line,fought against apartheid? What actuakky did zik do

adekolaelect:
you try but trash !!!!there is different between political fortunate office holders and political structure builders like Tinubu.It is unfortunate to relate Tinubu with people like Obj,saraki and the rest which his( Tinubu )political force relegated to no body in Nigeria politics .Those who feeling his political force knew who is he not those who their last hope and strategies is only to comment on medias .Tinubu is not a political office holder but he control many things in governmental and political activities in Nigeria .

I guess Tinubu was not fortunate in 1999. Tinubu might have control of the Lagos machinery and some of SW states, but remember he only grew into national prominence in 2015. So you can't use regional politics to determine national appeal.

All I see is just hypocritical comments so far.
To be candid, who surpasses the political sagacity, relevancy and achievements of Ashiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu since inception of this fourth republic? Please anyone should tell me! Infact, I challenge everyone here

Agboriotejoye:


Ahmadu Bello towering above Awo is debatable. He might have been a very good politician in the sense of popularity but definitely not in terms of development

He did a lot in terms of development.he was selfless and was a northernist.

Iyiataata92:

Yes, in terms of leadership, he's head and shoulders above Zik. but Zik's oratory skill and pragmatism was miles ahead of Awo

Good,your analysis is the best.unfortunately,oratory and pragmatism cannot dethrone leadership qualities

Rumxy:


you are really on point. OBJ's disciples cut across the whole country while Tinubu's disciples are mainly regional. So why comparing somebody that was in full control and Kingmaker of Nigerian national politics for 16 years to somebody that just came into national political landscape in 2015 and let's not also forget Buhari's influence in the north which is even greater than tinubu's influence in the west.

Your last sentence is apt. Tinubu still remains a regional leader as far as we can see. Buhari is also a regional leader albeit a president. None of the two can be compared to OBJ

It's very much disrespectful to compare Tinubu and Saraki
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nku5:


In a straight up presidential election contest between Saraki vs Tinubu, the only place jagaban can win is the SW.

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