Obj? The virtue of a leader are followers, please categorically tell me who his followers are

Agboriotejoye:

Your last sentence is apt. Tinubu still remains a regional leader as far as we can see. Buhari is also a regional leader albeit a president. None of the two can be compared to OBJ

Agboriotejoye:

Your last sentence is apt. Tinubu still remains a regional leader as far as we can see. Buhari is also a regional leader albeit a president. None of the two can be compared to OBJ

Tinubu will always influence things nationally than obj

senatordave1:

Mention the politicians obj produced firstly and helped into office.secondly,what has obj achieved since leaving office politically? Has anybody he supported ever won? Can he win his state or ward? Him hosting presidents while in office doesn't concern tinubu.mind you,obj has a massive financial warchest like tinubu and even had more access to state resources yet achieved less than tinubu

El-Rufai, FFK, NOI, David Mark, Soludo, oyinola, saraki to mention a few. He supported Yar'adua, GEJ and Buhari remember? OBJ since leaving office has become an international figure with relevance that transcends even Africa. Yes. He may not win his state or ward because doesn't play money politics like tinubu does. You can mention the financial warchest OBJ has

Agboriotejoye:


I guess Tinubu was not fortunate in 1999. Tinubu might have control of the Lagos machinery and some of SW states, but remember he only grew into national prominence in 2015. So you can't use regional politics to determine national appeal.

Tinubu fought and worked tirslessly to be governor in Nigeria.he was never imposed or handed any post on a platter of gold.obj was brought from prison and made president by the northerners.he was literslly given power.if obj started as governor,wouod he have reached tinubu's height? Since obj left power,what are his impacts

Iyiataata92:

Yes, in terms of leadership, he's head and shoulders above Zik. but Zik's oratory skill and pragmatism was miles ahead of Awo

Very true again. But zik was also myopic in his dealings most times. Always playing idealist and failing to square up to reality. That's one thing Awo never fell for. He was always a brutally honest realist.

Rumxy:
There is a big difference between being the best and greatest. Saying that Tinubu is the greatest Nigerian politician is an insult to even the SW who had Awolowo not to talk of Nigeria as a whole that have had Zik, Bello etc.

I think the right word should be that Tinubu is the best political strategist in this present political dispensation. Even his strongest critics won't argue with that.

You're correct. Dude has got his head stuck between tinubu's behind.

Agboriotejoye:

El-Rufai, FFK, NOI, David Mark, Soludo, oyinola, saraki to mention a few. He supported Yar'adua, GEJ and Buhari remember? OBJ since leaving office has become an international figure with relevance that transcends even Africa. Yes. He may not win his state or ward because doesn't play money politics like tinubu does. You can mention the financial warchest OBJ has

You are belittling and insulting obj by mentioning ffk? Who reckons with him? El rufai is more or less an atiku boy.David mark won in 1999 without obj support,what is soludo's political relevance? He supported yaradua while in office.gej was always going to win in 2011.
In summary,tinubu still wins here.you just can't compare

senatordave1:

There's a reason why mandela is regarded as the greatest African.how days she compare zik? Mandela but his life on the line,fought against apartheid? What actuakky did zik do

Out of the three frontline politicians in the 1st republic, zik was the only one who believed in a united Nigeria and Africa as a whole and worked towards it.

Agboriotejoye:

You're correct. Dude has got his head stuck between tinubu's behind.

While yours is in obj's.mind you,we are talking about in Nigeria not outside nigeria

LivingSage:
All I see is just hypocritical comments so far.
To be candid, who surpasses the political sagacity, relevancy and achievements of Ashiwaju Bola Ahmed Tinubu since inception of this fourth republic? Please anyone should tell me! Infact, I challenge everyone here

What are tinubu's achievements as a politician?

senatordave1:

He did a lot in terms of development.he was selfless and was a northernist.

Dats not true. The north was oligarch and highly underdeveloped with Bello. He ensured only Fulani aristocrats got the best opportunities while the minorities were heavily suppressed. I don't know how dat is development.

senatordave1:

Tinubu will always influence things nationally than obj

did the 4th republic start in 2015? He came into national politics in 2015. Without Buhari's influence and godlike status in the north, there is no way Tinubu would have come into national limelight. Buhari would have still become president if he had aligned with the SS/SE block but unfortunately they rejected him. Both are regional politicians at best and are enjoying the fruits of their coalition. It won't make sense to start over hyping people now.

LivingSage:
Obj? The virtue of a leader are followers, please categorically tell me who his followers are

OBJ has followers in every segment and strata of society. He has followers not loyalists or ass-lickers. That's the mistake you're making

Sammy07:

I guess you didn't read the OP post, you only read his title.
He said in this 4th republic

thanks for the correction.

senatordave1:

Tinubu will always influence things nationally than obj

That's not true. Even right now, his influence is debatable as the cabal runs things basically. He can get his fair share of attention but not kind of influence you seek to imply

Believes in United Nigeria? Is that why he formed alliance with the North? Is that why he brought an Igbo man to contest and represent the Yorubas despite flagging an Easterner to contest in the East? That's not sane enough to be called unity. That's a slap on educated South West then. Awolowo, o kare okunrin ogun, okunrin takuntakun. Omo oko tii se ogun omoale

Agboriotejoye:

Whae tinubu's achievements as a politician?

senatordave1:

Tinubu fought and worked tirslessly to be governor in Nigeria.he was never imposed or handed any post on a platter of gold.obj was brought from prison and made president by the northerners.he was literslly given power.if obj started as governor,wouod he have reached tinubu's height? Since obj left power,what are his impacts

Tinubu rode on afenifere/AD which had the likes of bola ige, lateef jakande, adefarasin, kolapo isola, osoba etc as arrowheads. These figures were seen as awolowo's boys and mko's loyalists. That's what made AD strong in the sw in 1999 not tinubu. So just as you can ascribe OBJ's emergence to the northern oligarchs, Tinubu also benefitted from the MKO influence in SW

He single handedly succeed the ploy, victimisation of obj as the only AD governor, he's produced more governors, ministers, party leaders and all sort than any Nigeria politician.

Agboriotejoye:

What are tinubu's achievements as a politician?

I saw his so called irrelevant loyalists you mentioned above. Compare them to Tinubu followers. Are they comparable?

Agboriotejoye:

OBJ has followers in every segment and strata of society. He has followers not loyalists or ass-lickers. That's the mistake you're making

senatordave1:

You are belittling and insulting obj by mentioning ffk? Who reckons with him? El rufai is more or less an atiku boy.David mark won in 1999 without obj support,what is soludo's political relevance? He supported yaradua while in office.gej was always going to win in 2011.
In summary,tinubu still wins here.you just can't compare

I really don't get you. Buhari emerged president by winning 95% states in the north, how was dat due to tinubu? The same thing occurred in 2019 when the SW votes were split so I'm still trying to see the Tinubu influence you're touting so much.
I just mentioned people who are OBJ's boys. There are still a good number of them I haven't mentioned including okorocha and even the atiku self. So you can dissect their political fortunes but they are OBJ's boys

LivingSage:
He single handedly succeed the ploy, victimisation of obj as the only AD governor, he's produced more governors, ministers, party leaders and all sort than any Nigeria politician.

Are these to the benefit of the people or his own personal interest. He is talking of physical legacies that benefit the people directly and not his family and cronies.

No, he asked of political achievements

Rumxy:


Are these to the benefit of the people or his own personal interest. He is talking of physical legacies that benefit the people directly and not his family and cronies.

senatordave1:

While yours is in obj's.mind you,we are talking about in Nigeria not outside nigeria

Whether in or out, OBJ remains relevant. Heck, he brought Buhari to national limelight so what exactly are you about?

Rumxy:


did the 4th republic start in 2015? He came into national politics in 2015. Without Buhari's influence and godlike status in the north, there is no way Tinubu would have come into national limelight. Buhari would have still become president if he had aligned with the SS/SE block but unfortunately they rejected him. Both are regional politicians at best and are enjoying the fruits of their coalition. It won't make sense to start over hyping people now.

Very correct again.

Agboriotejoye:

I really don't get you. Buhari emerged president by winning 95% states in the north, how was dat due to tinubu? The same thing occurred in 2019 when the SW votes were split so I'm still trying to see the Tinubu influence you're touting so much.
I just mentioned people who are OBJ's boys. There are still a good number of them I haven't mentioned including okorocha and even the atiku self. So you can dissect their political fortunes but they are OBJ's boys

They unnecessarily overhypeTinubu. He is a good politician no doubt but they seem to ascribe to him some sort of mythical powers that don't exist. His true influence will be gauged in 2023 when there will be no Buhari on the ballot.

LivingSage:
Believes in United Nigeria? Is that why he formed alliance with the North? Is that why he brought an Igbo man to contest and represent the Yorubas despite flagging an Easterner to contest in the East? That's not sane enough to be called unity. That's a slap on educated South West then. Awolowo, o kare okunrin ogun, okunrin takuntakun. Omo oko tii se ogun omoale

No don't get me wrong. I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong but he definitely believed in one Nigeria more than those other two.

If we are talking about national leader, then Awolowo and Tinubu names should not be mentioned because they were neither president, prime minister, vice president, senate president, deputy Senate president, speaker nor deputy speaker.

Awolowo was only a regional lesder

The highest level Tinubu has achieved politically is governor.

So you're rulling out Tinubu's influence in Buhari becoming president right? Why didn't he won 3 times consecutively before the merger of Tinubu's then ACN?
Besides, obj was against Buhari's reelection. To tell you that he he Isn't relevant, did Buhari won or not? Tinubu is the greatest politician as the political dispensation of this fourth republic is concern

Agboriotejoye:

I really don't get you. Buhari emerged president by winning 95% states in the north, how was dat due to tinubu? The same thing occurred in 2019 when the SW votes were split so I'm still trying to see the Tinubu influence you're touting so much.
I just mentioned people who are OBJ's boys. There are still a good number of them I haven't mentioned including okorocha and even the atiku self. So you can dissect their political fortunes but they are OBJ's boys

LivingSage:
He single handedly succeed the ploy, victimisation of obj as the only AD governor, he's produced more governors, ministers, party leaders and all sort than any Nigeria politician.

How many govs, minsters as he produced?

Rumxy:


Until you are able to erase his name from this list that also includes all the names you mentioned above, then I don't have any meaningful argument with you.

You can't make a case for a vacuum

LivingSage:
I saw his so called irrelevant loyalists you mentioned above. Compare them to Tinubu followers. Are they comparable?

Why not? Tinubu's party is in power so they are in position. If OBJ had a party and were to be in power, all those people will also be in position. Besides, people like El-Rufai, okorocha are OBJ products and are in power as well

Noo. What one does should comply with what one says. That's straightness

Agboriotejoye:

No don't get me wrong. I'm not saying what he did is right or wrong but he definitely believed in one Nigeria more than those other two.