komekn:


I responded to this quite comprehensively days ago, but it seems to have got lost in cyberspace.

Using comparative cost analysis both capital and recurrent to show the A29 not to be long term viable for the NAF, and the limited use of the A29 that will play out in the long term over the recurrent cost barriers.

blacKDalia:


Will surely do that. But had to wonder how your mind/brain got warped.

Toju200:
Also have followers from Kenya, Pakistan...
Few from US but not yet recorded

Toju200:
well I got more followers Sha thanks to Kabe1 and All of you providing me pics... it's almost 2k followers and likes..
Most of them are Nigerians the rest are India Ghana Philippines I'm sure Afghanistan and also a guy from Serbia too through my page got in Love with our military and he said he would like to join as a foreigner...
I told him I'm not sure Nigeria allows dat..
The dude was serious he was making plans for a house here

AskiaHarem:


CAN I GET A LINK!

kikuyu1:


You know what;forget it!

BlackBaron:

Tsaigumi has never been shown conducting reconnaissance since commissioning. I'll eat my hat if Ichoku is anything closer to reality than words they keep releasing.

Some of the drones able to do their work efficiently rely on IP, technology and patents we don't even seem to have access to. We could get there via R& D but takes significant money, years of experience and the best brains.

jpphilips:


Still baffles me how Nigeria claim to build & fly drones without military Satellite.

bidexiii:
#COIN
#NAF ASSETS

phazotron:



Which drone is that? Is it locally made?

bidexiii:
#PressRelease

TROOPS OF SECTOR 1 OPERATION LAFIYA DOLE SUSTAIN OFFENSIVE OPERATIONS AGAINST BOKO HARAM TERRORISTS

1. Troops of Sector 1 Operation LAFIYA DOLE (OPLD) has in the last seven days engaged the Boko Haram Terrorists (BHTs) hibernating within its own Area of Operation in the theatre.

2. Within the period, on 22 April, 2020, troops of 121 Task Force (TF) Battalion under 26 TF Bde while in ambush position, made contact with BHTs at crossing point Pulka-Firgi road. One BHT was killed, One loaded AK 47 rifle recovered. Additionally, a motorcycle painted in Military colour along with one locally fabricated Hand grenade were also recovered.

3. Similarly, on 24 April, 2020, troops of 192 Bn of 26 Bde deployed at Gwoza, while on night ambush operations came in contact with BHTs attempting to cross through the Mandara mountains to Sambisa Forest and in the ensuing fire fight neutralised 2 BHTs while several others escaped in disarray with gunshot wounds while a bicycle and 2 copies of the Holy Qur'an with assorted clothing items were recovered.

4. In the same vein, on 27 April, 2020, troops of Echo Company 114 Bn in blocking position at Izge Response Area (RA) received information of BHTs attack at Yenegu village about 5 kilometres from own troops location.

5. On receipt of the information, the dogged troops swiftly mobilised and engaged the BHTs who fled due to superior fire power from the troops. No casualty was recorded by own troops while 2 BHTs were neutralised.

6. Equally, the gallant troops of 152 TF Bn deployed at Kumshe under 21 Special Armoured Brigade (SAB) engaged BHTs in a fierce fire fight with the BHTs who attacked their location on 22 April, 2020. Unfortunately in the process, one soldier paid the supreme sacrifice while another sustained gunshot wound. However, 3 BHTs were neutralised, 1 motorcycle captured as others were suspected to have fled with life threatening injuries.

7. Also on 24 April, 2020, troops of 151 Bn of 21 SAB conducted ambush operations along Firgi general area and made contact with BHTs. No casualty on own troops while items recovered includes 1 Ak 47 rifle, 2 motorcycles and 2 bicycles.

8. Consolidating on the gains of the successes so far achieved, troops of 152 Bn in another ambush operation on 26 April 20 made contact with BHTs food supply party near their crossing point at Miyanti. The criminals were engaged, a soldier sustained minor injury while 3 BHTs were killed, 4 Carts conveying several food items and clothing were destroyed at the location.

9. While on general clearance operations within Sector 1 AOR, troops of 222, 151, 21 SAB Gar and 202 Bns under 21 SAB were led by the Garrison Commander 21SAB on clearance operations to Bula Shatane village 15 Kilometres from Bama and came in contact with BHTs who fled on sighting the ferocious troops advancing towards their location with heavy gun fire. The village was successfully cleared while all makeshift houses were destroyed.
10. Due to the ongoing offensive action within the Sector AOR, on 23 April 2020, 2 members of the BHTs came out from Bula Bello and Yerimari Gana and surrendered to own troops of 21 SAB Garrison deployed at Bama. The 2 surrendered terrorists were handed over to 21SAB Military Intelligence Regiment.
During preliminary investigation, they revealed that the sustained military operations by land and air made them to surrender.

11. Additionally, on 21 April 2020, a total of 19 IDPs arrived Army Super Camp 6 Bama from Jebe village. The IDPs were searched, screened and accommodated at own holding facility pending the conclusion of preliminary investigation. However, the IDPs were fed while the minors were administered with polio vaccines. In summary about 11 BHTs criminals were neutralized while many escaped with injuries and equipment and supplies captured and destroyed while some surrendered.

12. The Armed Forces of Nigeria remain resolute and highly committed to end the Boko Haram insurgency. The general public is requested to continue to provide timely and credible information for the enhancement of our operations.

JOHN ENENCHE
Major General
Coordinator
Defence Media Operations
Defence Headquarters
29 April 20.

komekn:


My post that addressed this muddle of misinformation and propositions under pinned simply by your self birthed presumptions was addressed by me quite some time ago. However, for reasons unknown that post has gone missing.

The analogy of the Qassem Soleiman brazen assassination by the USA with its MQ-9 Reaper UAV, is in generalist terms to highlight the efficacy of UAV in precision attacks. The Chinese Wing Loong II UAV is not as good but retains for the price outstanding attributes of which the Chinese not me claim to compete with the $30 million MQ-9. ( that is over hype to me) So that comparison is dubiously misleading and not part of the original discourse. The reference to the MQ-9 by me is indicative generalist and not specific related.

The original discourse centers on the question of "Best value and the most efficient use of resources for the greatest impact in the NE" You can have a short term and long term view.

In that context the comparison was made by cost and delivery outcome impact of Wing Loong II against IMO overpriced and limited value A29 Tucano.

The unit cost of Wing Loong II is approximately $1million and the approximate unit cost of the A29 in excess of $33 million excluding all the contract add ons for the $600 million contract procurement package. Effectively means procurement unit cost of one A29 is equivalent to over 30 Wing Loong II UAV's

You created inadvertently a unit of measurement with your factitious comparison of price of precision munitions Specifically the $115K USA missiles you create even more questions about the A29 sustainability over the short term and long term.

However going back to the inception false premise, that the A29 is the best air frame for COIN , thats simply not true. The role of the A29 in current and past USAF operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Syria, is essentially non existent in comparison to other USAF assets deployed. This is a fallacy a outcome delivery of deceptive marketing targeted to inconsequential associate nations.

NATO declined procurement of the A10 as being not fir for purpose. At the time there was unequivocal agreement that the A10 was not better than the existing NATO assets and that included the Jaguar, Mirage and F16'S. That there other precision weaponry that could be brought to the conflict that was more efficient for close support such as with attack , helicopters and guided munitions.

The word COIN is the very fluid it is not some concept that is rigid, particular and exact, it really is very broad, so you are misleading yourself.

In this day and age nobody is strafing ground targets at low altitude with 30 mm cannon fire in support of ground troops. In these engagement there is close proximity and the danger of friendly fire is too high, i.e. blue on blue. Add to that if you fly the A29 at that low altitude it will be a target AA fire. As a consequence the A29 relies entirely on it precision weaponry for the efficiency of its strikes against enemy targets not nose diving gun trucks this isn't WW2.

Now you have made this rod for your own back, how much are the expensive ATGM's, laser guided bombs, etc that the A29 uses according to you $115k a pop. When the first batch of bombs are used up, will we have the $$$ to buy more Is that long term sustainable

The MQ-9 is $30 Milion and the Wing Loong II is $1 Million, its reasonable to project that the precision weaponry ATGM, Lazer guided bombs, etc will be a mere fraction of the cost of the USA similar ones and as usual way over priced.

As a result we will start attaching non adaptable munitions with no precision targeting to the A29 because we cant afford the expensive USA procured ones, then all the associated service costs of replacement parts and avionics updates, etc will make this plane almost useless. Within 4 years there will be all kinds of queries and allegations. It will end up being a liability if we are not careful and not better than the Alpha and F7's for the role we procured it for.

Boko dont have the technology to hit at high altitude aircraft so the possibility of an A29 or a Wing Loong II being shot down is almost no existent. So whenever this war ends we will still need surveillance in the sky.

Currently we should have 24/7 365 complete surveillance of the NE only a UAV can give you that one that has an endurance of 32 hours compared to 6 hours for a A29. The cost of 2 A29's gives us 60 +Wing Loong II UAV's that means short term and long term we can have coverage over the national maritime waters and beyond. That is long term sustainability. In addition the cost of keeping that UAV in the air for 24 hours plus much much cheaper than the A29.

The USA has no regard for Nigeria, the people yes maybe but the leadership a big NO. Why that is a never ending debate, which includes corruption. Now if they dont value us why on earth are we partnering with them, for goodness sake. Marriage is not by force, if USA will not marry us France, Germany, Russia, Ukraine , etc no deh. Essentially if the USA will not consider us a strategic partner then we find somebody who will.

It is a very pertinent point the USA does not use this aircraft in any significant way. None of its serious or valued partners use who are fighting COIN wars at different intensities. But some how, many on this forum think it is a great solution for the NE . What the NE needs is surveillance but the right commodification infrastructure and a 1000+ more fir for purpose armoured vehicles to enable combatants have the capacity to engage the enemy.

Finally a verbatim statement from Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein that tells the story of the A29 in a nutshell if you read between the lines.

"Our focus is on how a light attack aircraft can help our allies and partners as they confront violent extremism and conduct operations within their borders," Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. David Goldfein said in the release. "Continuing this experiment, using the authorities Congress has provided, gives us the opportunity to put a small number of aircraft through the paces and work with partner nations on ways in which smaller, affordable aircraft like these can support their air forces."

Loads of disinformation, you were gloating over the Soleimani hit to buttress the efficacy of the Chinese drones before I murdered your position with a proper cost analysis, thats what debates are for, we cross fertilize ideas, so there is no shame in admitting you screwed up with that example.

NATO never said the A10 Warthog is not fit for purpose, thats a concocted rubbish you made up, NATO said it's role doesn't fit their battlefield doctrine, NATO allies dont do US type of CAS, they prefer Battlefield Air interdiction normally done away from friendlies.

As a matter of fact, when the European threat environment evolved due to Russian aggression, Nato members requested for the A10 warthog & they were glad it came to do the job it does best.
enlighten yourself here: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/17/us-allies-happy-to-have-a10-warthogs-back-in-europe-airmen-say.html

USAF planned to decommission the Warthog in 2019, congress refused, approved $333m for their missions later DOD awarded another $900m contract to Boeing to replace aging wings, so those beasts are in service till 2030 or 40.

Again you are misleading yourself, A29 doesn't straff its guns on AA's or in an AA threat environment, there is a reason it has ISR capability, it takes out the big guns first from a distance then straff the light arms.
That's the US strategy for the Warthog as well, take out the big guns with Maverick AGM then straff.
Conversely, if you believe A29 30mm guns will create blue on blue, how come you are recommending Wingloong 2 that throws Arrow 7 missiles? you are confused.

Go back and read what I wrote on the $115k per pop, and NAF being on low budget, again you are confusing yourself.

klhazhik:


You've got any Picture?

jpphilips:
Very apt



Loads of disinformation, you were gloating over the Soleimani hit to buttress the efficacy of the Chinese drones before I murdered your position with a proper cost analysis, thats what debates are for, we cross fertilize ideas, so there is no shame in admitting you screwed up with that example.

NATO never said the A10 Warthog is not fit for purpose, thats a concocted rubbish you made up, NATO said it's role doesn't fit their battlefield doctrine, NATO allies dont do US type of CAS, they prefer Battlefield Air interdiction normally done away from friendlies.

As a matter of fact, when the European threat environment evolved due to Russian aggression, Nato members requested for the A10 warthog & they were glad it came to do the job it does best.
enlighten yourself here: https://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/06/17/us-allies-happy-to-have-a10-warthogs-back-in-europe-airmen-say.html

USAF planned to decommission the Warthog in 2019, congress refused, approved $333m for their missions later DOD awarded another $900m contract to Boeing to replace aging wings, so those beasts are in service till 2030 or 40.

Again you are misleading yourself, A29 doesn't straff its guns on AA's or in an AA threat environment, there is a reason it has ISR capability, it takes out the big guns first from a distance then straff the light arms.
That's the US strategy for the Warthog as well, take out the big guns with Maverick AGM then straff.
Conversely, if you believe A29 30mm guns will create blue on blue, how come you are recommending Wingloong 2 that throws Arrow 7 missiles? you are confused.

Go back and read what I wrote on the $115k per pop, and NAF being on low budget, again you are confusing yourself.

bidexiii:
#COIN
#NAF ASSETS

kabe1:


I used to visit the military threads as a guest back then, I must admit I didn't really know much about the military, it was these threads that taught me a lot. I really miss some of the very old posters.

The old guards I remember still posting are you, Rka2 (Legend), Jln115 and Bidexii.

So much fun back then.

marvin906:




I have to ask ..
why is majority of NAF asset located in the northern region..
fighter Jets, helicopters and so on ..
I know is because of the insurgency
buh why neglect other areas..
if an attack was to happen maybe in Lagos or any coastal region what's the security plan there

Odunayaw:
Is it Nairaland Air Force that neglected other areas Abi which NAF

The C130s...where are the concentrated? Lagos
Heard of 97 SOG, PH that runs the Mi35p?
81AMG Benin?

That said. Any attack that'd take place in the coast will not just "show up". And by Attack I mean tangible things like opposing Navies and not gunboat marauders.

marvin906:




first of all remove the c130s that's a transport aircraft...
the mi35p how many are located in coastal region's.....
and I was mainly referring to the fighter Jets..

why is majority of NAF asset located in the northern region..
fighter Jets, helicopters and so on ..

Toju200:

Tony Curtis Lyngdoh:
At least Nigeria Armed manufactures know how Military vehicle should look like.�
RIP Indian Manufactures
They design vehicle as close to Grabage

What an Indian Commented on my Page
Seems they are impressed

Toju200:

Tony Curtis Lyngdoh:
At least Nigeria Armed manufactures know how Military vehicle should look like.�
RIP Indian Manufactures
They design vehicle as close to Grabage

What an Indian Commented on my Page
Seems they are impressed

shadowprimezero:


What's the link?

BlackBaron:


Tsaigumi has never been shown conducting reconnaissance since commissioning. I'll eat my hat if Ichoku is anything closer to reality than words they keep releasing.

Some of the drones able to do their work efficiently rely on IP, technology and patents we don't even seem to have access to. We could get there via R& D but takes significant money, years of experience and the best brains.