Both sides of this are quite wrong and so this problem will persist but am afraid the AA's will be on the losing end. Losing out on development, image , just about every thing worth losing.

Trying to promote revolution like this is the worse possible thing that can afford to do. The AA image has been bad from the onset and bad apples have given no reasons for these already highly prejudiced folks to try and table differences. People selling drugs? an AA is probably involved, a robbery? yeah representing as well, violent crimes? can't be left out. African's in Africa are not much better, leaders to street dwellers. The economies, cities and streets, standard of life, it's just really telling of who they are. If black people do not sit down and act like human beings others won't.

This mindset that others will go out of their way to accommodate blacks is also naive and hasn't even been earned in my view. Call for this guy's head but two more will spring up. Emotional responses like this would also muddy the road to a lasting solution which is to put up their portion in society. At the very least If more AA's were in legislative, judiciary, executive roles a more substantial impact would be at hand, their fate would be in their hands.


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I agree with some parts of your post.

But failing to recognize the validity of the emotions involved in this situation will not lead to any lasting solutions either.

Can’t kill a man in broad daylight like an ant and tell his people to be rational about it.
Has being rational helped in any of the cases where there were peaceful protests afterwards? Hardly.

What’s the point of picking out the ills of the African American community like other communities don’t have ills they are known for yet are afforded justice in most cases like human beings.

Saying that others (America) should not be expected to accommodate blacks and that is has not been earned is a ludicrous statement. What do they have to do to earn their stay in a place where they were born into? You kidding? I don’t even want to go into the contributions of their ancestors to the building of the country. And what’s that about putting up their portion in society? Wow.

Please people !


The actual real thing I agree with that you said is them getting more place in the government. That could help but you’re discounting innate hatred as the cause of all this and instead you’re making it the responsibility of the victim to make their oppressor stop oppressing them. I can’t with this conversation.

Dignity5:
Both sides of this are quite wrong and so this problem will persist but am afraid the AA's will be on the losing end. Losing out on development, image , just about every thing worth losing.

Trying to promote revolution like this is the worse possible thing that can afford to do. The AA image has been bad from the onset and bad apples have given no reasons for these already highly prejudiced folks to try and table differences. People selling drugs? an AA is probably involved, a robbery? yeah representing as well, violent crimes? can't be left out. African's in Africa are not much better, leaders to street dwellers. The economies, cities and streets, standard of life, it's just really telling of who they are. If black people do not sit down and act like human beings others won't.

This mindset that others will go out of their way to accommodate blacks is also naive and hasn't even been earned in my view. Call for this guy's head but two more will spring up. Emotional responses like this would also muddy the road to a lasting solution which is to put up their portion in society. At the very least If more AA's were in legislative, judiciary, executive roles a more substantial impact would be at hand, their fate would be in their hands.


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This black paramedic was arrested while saving a life. AKA putting up his portion in society.
In case you’re wondering what his crime was, his skin tone was the culprit.

@Dignity5


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQO-5Qsahz4

Dignity5:
Both sides of this are quite wrong and so this problem will persist but am afraid the AA's will be on the losing end. Losing out on development, image , just about every thing worth losing.

Trying to promote revolution like this is the worse possible thing that can afford to do. The AA image has been bad from the onset and bad apples have given no reasons for these already highly prejudiced folks to try and table differences. People selling drugs? an AA is probably involved, a robbery? yeah representing as well, violent crimes? can't be left out. African's in Africa are not much better, leaders to street dwellers. The economies, cities and streets, standard of life, it's just really telling of who they are. If black people do not sit down and act like human beings others won't.

This mindset that others will go out of their way to accommodate blacks is also naive and hasn't even been earned in my view. Call for this guy's head but two more will spring up. Emotional responses like this would also muddy the road to a lasting solution which is to put up their portion in society. At the very least If more AA's were in legislative, judiciary, executive roles a more substantial impact would be at hand, their fate would be in their hands.

Your common sense has been quite uncommon on the thread so far.

How they even expect to make any change or start a revolution when all they're armed with are plastic bottles but the cops they're trying to fight are loaded with tear gas, rubber bullets, and automatic rifles waiting on standby to fire some real lead bullets if just one cop gets injured... is so beyond anyone with faculties.

All they ever end up doing is further deepen the rifts, fvck up their image a little bit more...and of course, get themselves seriously injured or dead while at it.

eyinjuege:
Update


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAjUeXTf56s

Hopefully, justice is served in this case, as we can only but hope.
The cops always get away with the extrajudicial killings of blacks in America, and only lose their jobs, to go get another job in the next state and move on with their lives.
The families of their victims are stuck forever in limbo, unable to get over the loss.

I just feel that no form of justice except death penalty would ever be enough.

Khiaa, tell us what the situation is like from your end.

eyinjuege:


It's such a shame.
At this point, I dont know what blacks in America should do anymore.

Dignity5:
Both sides of this are quite wrong and so this problem will persist but am afraid the AA's will be on the losing end. Losing out on development, image , just about every thing worth losing.

Trying to promote revolution like this is the worse possible thing that can afford to do. The AA image has been bad from the onset and bad apples have given no reasons for these already highly prejudiced folks to try and table differences. People selling drugs? an AA is probably involved, a robbery? yeah representing as well, violent crimes? can't be left out. African's in Africa are not much better, leaders to street dwellers. The economies, cities and streets, standard of life, it's just really telling of who they are. If black people do not sit down and act like human beings others won't.

This mindset that others will go out of their way to accommodate blacks is also naive and hasn't even been earned in my view. Call for this guy's head but two more will spring up. Emotional responses like this would also muddy the road to a lasting solution which is to put up their portion in society. At the very least If more AA's were in legislative, judiciary, executive roles a more substantial impact would be at hand, their fate would be in their hands.


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I don’t think rioting is the most 'productive' response, but that’s because they end up destroying their own communities that they live in and only end up hurting themselves, not because of any image you think they should preserve to please massa.

Respectability politics is not getting rid of systemic racism and bias, peaceful protests aren’t stopping black people from getting killed for something a white person would get a slap on the wrist for. If you watched the video, you would see that people 'calmly' pleading with the officer to get off the victim’s neck did nothing. That’s why white people can march into a government building to protest lockdowns that are supposed to be protecting them, screaming into the faces of officials while armed without violent resistance from officials, but black people would not be given the same allowances. Or when a white person goes on a shooting spree and is given the ‘grace’ of being termed mentally ill but everyone else is a terrorist or a thug. You can't discount the bias.

Everything has a boiling point, so when they're getting angry and reacting ‘emotionally’, who can blame them? ….I do however agree that black people need to focus on improving their socio-economical standing, prioritise votes, acquiring better positions in institutions, strategising politically, creating spaces of their own etc. They’re easier to ‘conquer’ in situations like this because very few of them are in positions of power. Because after all of this, a few months later they’re back to square one.

ibkayee:

I don’t think rioting is the most 'productive' response, but that’s because they end up destroying their own communities that they live in and only end up hurting themselves, not because of any image you think they should preserve to please massa.

Respectability politics is not getting rid of systemic racism and bias, peaceful protests aren’t stopping black people from getting killed for something a white person would get a slap on the wrist for. If you watched the video, you would see that people 'calmly' pleading with the officer to get off the victim’s neck did nothing. That’s why white people can march into a government building to protest lockdowns that are supposed to be protecting them, screaming into the faces of officials while armed without violent resistance from officials, but black people would not be given the same allowances. Or when a white person goes on a shooting spree and is given the ‘grace’ of being termed mentally ill but everyone else is a terrorist or a thug. You can't discount the bias.

Everything has a boiling point, so when they're getting angry and reacting ‘emotionally’, who can blame them? ….I do however agree that black people need to focus on improving their socio-economical standing, prioritise votes, acquiring better positions in institutions, strategising politically, creating spaces of their own etc. They’re easier to ‘conquer’ in situations like this because very few of them are in positions of power. Because after all of this, a few months later they’re back to square one.

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Who wasn't expecting something like this might happen?

Let me guess... those who can sit comfortably behind the safety of the internet to kid-splain how violence is a valid emotional response and should be applauded.

Someone (I'm almost certain a black man) just used the cover of protest to kill another person.

ibkayee:

I don’t think rioting is the most 'productive' response, but that’s because they end up destroying their own communities that they live in and only end up hurting themselves, not because of any image you think they should preserve to please massa.

Respectability politics is not getting rid of systemic racism and bias, peaceful protests aren’t stopping black people from getting killed for something a white person would get a slap on the wrist for. If you watched the video, you would see that people 'calmly' pleading with the officer to get off the victim’s neck did nothing. That’s why white people can march into a government building to protest lockdowns that are supposed to be protecting them, screaming into the faces of officials while armed without violent resistance from officials, but black people would not be given the same allowances. Or when a white person goes on a shooting spree and is given the ‘grace’ of being termed mentally ill but everyone else is a terrorist or a thug. You can't discount the bias.

Everything has a boiling point, so when they're getting angry and reacting ‘emotionally’, who can blame them? ….I do however agree that black people need to focus on improving their socio-economical standing, prioritise votes, acquiring better positions in institutions, strategising politically, creating spaces of their own etc. They’re easier to ‘conquer’ in situations like this because very few of them are in positions of power. Because after all of this, a few months later they’re back to square one.

Yes, i think you see my point in your later paragraph. The bit about image is equally as important to long term addressing this as well, it's not about being politically correct or appealing to anybody. I mean so far the black community there and race pretty much everywhere have very little to boost of in comparison to other races so their bad nature is much so clearer. Everything gold black touches seems to turn into wood. They see it in their country and in the blacks on the African continent. Much of their resentment comes from that i believe.

Asians for instance don't have much of this against them because they are known for other things and we know it. Anything to the contrary can be read as that and not the norm but blacks have too much resume in violence, crime etc to overlook. I don't address how they go here but currently that image is bad and that's what i talked about.

cococandy:
I agree with some parts of your post.

But failing to recognize the validity of the emotions involved in this situation will not lead to any lasting solutions either.

Can’t kill a man in broad daylight like an ant and tell his people to be rational about it.
Has being rational helped in any of the cases where there were peaceful protests afterwards? Hardly.

What’s the point of picking out the ills of the African American community like other communities don’t have ills they are known for yet are afforded justice in most cases like human beings.

Saying that others (America) should not be expected to accommodate blacks and that is has not been earned is a ludicrous statement. What do they have to do to earn their stay in a place where they were born into? You kidding? I don’t even want to go into the contributions of their ancestors to the building of the country. And what’s that about putting up their portion in society? Wow.

Please people !


The actual real thing I agree with that you said is them getting more place in the government. That could help but you’re discounting innate hatred as the cause of all this and instead you’re making it the responsibility of the victim to make their oppressor stop oppressing them. I can’t with this conversation.

I'd end with this comment as well as i run the risk of coming off to mean what you said but you couldn't have taken me more out of context.

Am not denying people their due emotions, am only realizing that any violent or riot acts could be a good reason why the next racist cop would approach a similar situation with force and be let of the hook just because blacks are known for it. The more involved parties can go on and be duly grieved in their actions but all others have to reason better longer lasting solution else this cycle won't stop.

Other communities don't experience half of this because they are simply not known for this and a good case can't be may to deny them justice if they seek it. By now whenever blacks are involved in something there is the likelihood that matters can escalate quickly as there are more cases that bear witness to this than for others. Racists will exploit this all day. Until AA's are known for better things, rationally sorting issues with due process even when it's slow or denied their image will be exploited.

How much development is there to see at the hand of blacks, in the continent and away? In comparison some good communities have become slang
joints and den for robbers. Highest crime rates communities are usually black communities. How much more would anyone go out of their way to accommodate you when you are know for so little? Institutions would work against you, governments would ignore you, and justice would be denied you because you have left them at the hands of those who who rather kick you out seeing that you are whittling away at their progress.

crackland:

Your common sense has been quite uncommon on the thread so far.

How they even expect to make any change or start a revolution when all they're armed with are plastic bottles but the cops they're trying to fight are loaded with tear gas, rubber bullets, and automatic rifles waiting on standby to fire some real lead bullets if just one cop gets injured... is so beyond anyone with faculties.

All they ever end up doing is further deepen the rifts, fvck up their image a little bit more...and of course, get themselves seriously injured or dead while at it.

If you insult me and engage as well you come off that wise man man that engaged an idiot in a debate. In the end they were indistinguishable. You'd do well to ignore me.

ibkayee:

I don’t think rioting is the most 'productive' response, but that’s because they end up destroying their own communities that they live in and only end up hurting themselves, not because of any image you think they should preserve to please massa.

Respectability politics is not getting rid of systemic racism and bias, peaceful protests aren’t stopping black people from getting killed for something a white person would get a slap on the wrist for. If you watched the video, you would see that people 'calmly' pleading with the officer to get off the victim’s neck did nothing. That’s why white people can march into a government building to protest lockdowns that are supposed to be protecting them, screaming into the faces of officials while armed without violent resistance from officials, but black people would not be given the same allowances. Or when a white person goes on a shooting spree and is given the ‘grace’ of being termed mentally ill but everyone else is a terrorist or a thug. You can't discount the bias.

Everything has a boiling point, so when they're getting angry and reacting ‘emotionally’, who can blame them? ….I do however agree that black people need to focus on improving their socio-economical standing, prioritise votes, acquiring better positions in institutions, strategising politically, creating spaces of their own etc. They’re easier to ‘conquer’ in situations like this because very few of them are in positions of power Because after all of this, a few months later they’re back to square one.

Also factor in the general population of whites to blacks. Not easy to get elected into positions of power when you’re the minority.
We are in fact asking all black people to be like Obama . We asking them to be 10 times better than the average white man to get the same amount of respect afforded a white person. Because that’s what it would take to actually have more black people in positions of power despite them being a minority.

Dignity5:


If you insult me and engage as well you come off that wise man man that engaged an idiot in a debate. In the end they were indistinguishable. You'd do well to ignore me.

Did you just call yourself an idíot and I a wise man?

Cos I swear I didn't understand a single thing from your comment...

Australians, Europeans, most Americans, everywhere and everyone the video of Floyd’s death has reached, most people have been enraged (a valid emotional response) and called for justice.
On a topic most of the whole world agrees on;

Only on Nairaland will there be argument. Because as usual the pathetic need to be right, to be at the front of every conversation (even while ignorant about nuances of it) is too strong to resist. Can’t take a day off from meaningless internet ego massage sessions.

What kind of candidates do they hire as police over there.. former high school bullies? Because the video suggested it.. no empathy nothing..

cococandy:


Also factor in the general population of whites to blacks. Not easy to get elected into positions of power when you’re the minority.
We are in fact asking all black people to be like Obama . We asking them to be 10 times better than the average white man to get the same amount of respect afforded a white person. Because that’s what it would take to actually have more black people in positions of power despite them being a minority.

Very true, they aren't on a level playing field

The ONLY civilized way to handle valid emotional hurt and race nuances, is to destroy & loot businesses of innocent people, put more black lives in harm's way, and attack the police.

Just to make a point that you're enraged and calling for justice, we should applaud protesters who are busy ruining other people's lives.

Kid-splaining...

cococandy:
Australians, Europeans, most Americans, everywhere and everyone the video of Floyd’s death has reached, most people have been enraged (a valid emotional response) and called for justice.
On a topic most of the whole world agrees on;

Only on Nairaland will there be argument. Because as usual the pathetic need to be right, to be at the front of every conversation (even while ignorant about nuances of it) is too strong to resist. Can’t take a day off of from meaningless internet ego massage sessions.

As in...

Richy4:
What kind of candidates do they hire as police over there.. former high school bullies? Because the video suggested it.. no empathy nothing..

Many of them had slave owning great/grandparents. They and their own parents are still actively in the ku klux klan.
It’s not a question of being bullies. It’s a generational need to keep the black man down. They pass the teaching to their sons and daughters.

One way of maintaining this power is by joining the police force. So they specifically join the force for this reason. Look at that killer’s face. In public. No fear of reprimand even when he knew he was being recorded. You have to know something gives him the confidence that this is okay to do and as we say “nothing dey happen”.

Dignity5:
Both sides of this are quite wrong and so this problem will persist but am afraid the AA's will be on the losing end. Losing out on development, image , just about every thing worth losing.

Trying to promote revolution like this is the worse possible thing that can afford to do. The AA image has been bad from the onset and bad apples have given no reasons for these already highly prejudiced folks to try and table differences. People selling drugs? an AA is probably involved, a robbery? yeah representing as well, violent crimes? can't be left out. African's in Africa are not much better, leaders to street dwellers. The economies, cities and streets, standard of life, it's just really telling of who they are. If black people do not sit down and act like human beings others won't.

This mindset that others will go out of their way to accommodate blacks is also naive and hasn't even been earned in my view. Call for this guy's head but two more will spring up. Emotional responses like this would also muddy the road to a lasting solution which is to put up their portion in society. At the very least If more AA's were in legislative, judiciary, executive roles a more substantial impact would be at hand, their fate would be in their hands.


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They should fight back. Black Americans aren't cowards like a lot of Africans, we are fighters. If you don't stand up for yourself who will? We are tired of being treated less than human, even dogs are treated better. By the way, Africans are treated the same way, you think they give a damn about your accent?

cococandy:


Many of them had slave owning great/grandparents. They and their own parents are still actively in the ku klux klan.
It’s not a question of being bullies. It’s a generational need to keep the black man down. They pass the teaching to their sons and daughters.

One way of maintaining this power is by joining the police force. So they specifically join the force for this reason. Look at that killer’s face. In public. No fear of reprimand even when he knew he was being recorded. You have to know something gives him the confidence that this is okay to do and as we say “nothing dey happen”.

That guy practically made my blood boil.. The idea of kneeling on some one's neck when he was handcuffed is what I don't really understand up till now.. he has been subdued so why all that

Richy4:



That guy practically made my blood boil.. The idea of kneeling on some one's neck when he was handcuffed is what I don't really understand up till now.. he has been subdued so why all that

He wanted him to die .

crackland:
Some of these African Americans will continue to prove themselves as jungle animals who were just lucky enough to be born in a civilized country as descendants of slaves.

What will all this ruckus help them achieve?

Some mofos even fighting with black cops as well... did they forget they were black like them, or did the blue uniform make them look white?

That ruckus is what allows your black ass to migrate to the US today. Just because a cop is black doesn't mean he is a good cop. Look at all the crooked black cops you have in Nigeria beating your black asses.

If you watch the video of the protests, there are a good number of white people involved in it. Throwing things at the police too.
Guess who our local know-it-all’s are blaming? The black people of course. They are the animals. While their white counterparts (bless their hearts for being allies) marching side by side with them and rioting with them have no blame in the riots.

https://www.facebook.com/NowThisPolitics/videos/1299557160242979/?vh=e

In this video, there are white rioters .

Not another white person will call them degrading names for it.

cococandy:
The murderer’s accomplices stood by and did nothing.
If one of them tapped him or told him to stop, Floyd would still be alive.

What was his crime?
Allegedly issuing a fake check (something of that nature) Nothing violent. Allegedly too.

Even mass murderers who are still armed are often arrested without being killed.

White mass murderers.

This is a combined story. But first few slides show white protesters aggrieved and throwing things at the cops and the cop cars for the killing of that black man.

Jungle white people I guess
https://www.facebook.com/908009612563863/posts/3779922268705902/?

khia:


White mass murderers.

Yes. You know any mass murderer who’s not white is a terrorist and will not be afforded the dignity of arrest and trial.

crackkhaus:

Did you just call yourself an idíot and I a wise man?

Cos I swear I didn't understand a single thing from your comment...

Then it's pointless speaking to you.

naija4life247:


If the Blacks don't take down this particular white pig this week, then the Blacks are bastards and deserved to be all executed. These Blacks just like Nigeria Cultists can kill each other over minor disagreements, but when they see their oppressors, they shiver.

This is a blatant lie. Black Americans have been fighting these racist demons for over 400 years, it's so sad we don't have the support of the African when they come here. Most side with the white racist devil's.