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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 5:06pm On May 28, 2020
Oasis007:


This is too deep. I hope he has Evidence to backup his Allegations?! Hope he's not just ranting to gain Attention, perhaps popularity?!

Lai should have just sued him for defamation of character or libel and you will see how fast he will recant that poem.

Now he has given the man unnecessary attention with that arrest.

Criticize if you must, but be reasonable about it and not knowingly or “unknowingly” spread falsehood in the name of criticism and when action is taken, you start shouting freedom of speech. Freedom of speech do not give you the right or malign or defame someone.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 5:11pm On May 28, 2020
Ibime:
That Adesina guy look like just another in a long line of well packaged intellectuals who reveal their true Naija personalities eventually. Once a CEO's conduct becomes the subject of Ethics Committee investigation and your largest shareholders are hinting they believe very serious allegations against you, it is time to resign.

The allegations are too weighty. angry
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by seankafor(m): 5:17pm On May 28, 2020
Coutinho14:
lol america is a joke , the killer cop has 75 police officers protecting his home. thats like half of Minneapolis pd protecting a killer cop
lol, this whole shii should be on cam bro cheesy
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 5:24pm On May 28, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Sad to say, but black people are not ready to understand the system.
And there is a system.
You don't see Jewish people being killed left, right and centre. It's not because people like Jews - Afterall, there was a holocaust.
You don't see police killing Indians the way they kill blacks either.
You don't see them killing Chinese. Infact, a Chinese looking man(can't confirm) appeared to be an accomplice in the murder of that dude....and all this in USA which is more or less at war...with China!
The reason you don't see all these killings isn't because Jewish people protest pass. It's because of organised money.
These ethnicities: The Jews, the Indians, that Chinese, they all pool their money together within their communities and then use it to buy access to the corridors of power where they lobby power to favour their interests.
Theres enough wealth in African-America where they can also begin to lobby power, but they dont.
Imagine Trump making a solid argument that he did more for black people than Obama. How did black people let that happen? What are black interests?
I promise you if a Jew was killed the way that man was killed, the police commissioner would have received some phonecalls from high places, before it even hit the news
The time for protesting, kneeling, singing negro spirituals, and all other forms of shalaye is very much in the past with Dr King.
Now is the time for orgnised money. The problem is, do the blacks with money really think black lives matter? cheesy
Capernick that knelt is even half white. His fully dudu colleagues left him to rot on his own.
Jay-z seens to be the only one publicly buying into the idea of organised money.
Most other black celebs and wealth owners are acting in exactly the same way a typical black person would act - as far e no touch me, e no consign me.
That's a major reason why I feel BLM is a joke. I mean just look how successful it's been.

I disagree with your post.
While it contains salient points, it still lacks the predisposed mentality at play here and the historical context of the present narrative.

First of all, of all the minority groups you listed, none had undergone centuries of abject servitude, suffering and extreme human degradation like the black race.
You See, for such lengthy oppression to have taken place, the white oppressors had to have justifiable reasons for their human dehumanization. on one hand, they had religion which supported and encouraged slavery, on the other hand, They had pseudo-scientific theories(read up scientific racism) that consolidated their racial beliefs.
With these two psychological support pillars, they subjugated the black man to centuries of human dehumanization and racial conquest.

For better understanding, I will highlight some of the white man's beliefs backed by pseudoscientific theories.
1. They believed that the black man did not completely evolve as a human, that there was just little difference between the primates( gorilla, apes and monkeys) to the black man. As a matter of fact, they put the black man in same cages as the gorillas and apes in exhibition zoos for the whites and their children to observe.
2. They believed that the black man's brain was smaller than the white man's.
3. They believed that the white man was intellectually superior to the black man.
For a long time, many didn't think that the black man could learn how to read and write.
4. They believed that the black man's physiological makeup was much stronger than the white man's, that his bones and muscles were the strongest of the races just like the gorillas hence he was best suited to the farms and plantations as a beast of burden.

Of course, with such racial beliefs firmly rooted in their minds, it inevitably reflected in the social strata of society. With the black man seen as closer to an animal, they were denied basic Human Rights or value which I would also outline.

For a long time, inter-racial copulation was viewed as bestiality.
Inter-racial marriage was viewed as a societal abomination since the black man was not just seen as an animal but also as just property.

Now I have elucidated the kind of society a black person lived in for centuries. We both know how hard it is for such endemic beliefs which held sway for centuries to be shed. Such beliefs were passed down from generations to generations.

that is why murders like the cop's own are always news. Because society knows the motivation behind such murders.

TO BE CONTINUED LATER.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 5:25pm On May 28, 2020
Nigeria is not leaving him out to dry.

cc Ibime

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Bville02(m): 5:25pm On May 28, 2020
Coutinho14:
lol america is a joke , the killer cop has 75 police officers protecting his home. thats like half of Minneapolis pd protecting a killer cop

In Childish Gambino's Voice, This is America
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:35pm On May 28, 2020
Coutinho14:
lol america is a joke , the killer cop has 75 police officers protecting his home. thats like half of Minneapolis pd protecting a killer cop

I read somewhere that that officer has been investigated in 3 shootings before now including one fatality. All the names.of the victims were either Latino or black sounding.

TBH, the bar on joining the Police is too low. I remember my friend Omar in college. He always stressed that he doesn't need to pass cos he is aiming to join Police and he was dumb as a dodo. So what stops any dumb racist from joining the Police force. Infact if I was a racist and not very bright intellectually, the Police is the first place I'd apply because they pay better than other unskilled labour and I can get satisfaction from having power over blacks in that position.

On an aside, my old friend Omar caused a media storm in UK, 4 years after we finished A Levels by refusing to guard Israeli embassy cos Israel was fighting war with Lebanon at the time, and his wife was Lebanese while he was Syrian. Police force later got their lawyers to clear up the controversy by giving excuse that he was scared of reprisals from Muslim extremists. Anyway, I gathered from the media reports that he had gone high up in the Police cos he was special forces, handling heavy weaponry. I thought if this dumb guy can go this far in Police in 4 years, that means I should always see any Policeman I come across as some dropout who is only doing this job cos they don't have brain to succeed elsewhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/05/ukcrime.uknews21

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:44pm On May 28, 2020
larride:
Nigeria is not leaving him out to dry.

cc Ibime

Once the big shareholders like America and the European countries threaten to withdraw funding Adesina is done for.

Independent investigation means there will be no cover up, infact those Ivoriens will be happy to air his dirty laundry to the investigators.

I read some of the allegations. Adesina thought he is still in Nigeria. Infact by Nigerian standards, his crimes are mundane, and amount to nepotism, overpaying some Consultants with whom he has a conflict of Interest, possibly inflating some contracts, and wasteful spending on personal events from company funds. But in the Western world, they will frown at such crimes. The minute USA and the European partners threaten to withdraw funding, nobody will tell Adesina twice to resign. If France get involved, even if Adesina was innocent, they will make sure the direction of the bank is steered toward Francophone interests.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 5:48pm On May 28, 2020
donjazet:


I disagree with your post.
While it contains salient points, it still lacks the predisposed mentality at play here and the historical context of the present narrative.

First of all, of all the minority groups you listed, none had undergone centuries of abject servitude, suffering and extreme human degradation like the black race.

Holocaust still happened less than 100 years ago.

UK only gave Hong Kong back to China in 1999.

The Indians were also taken to the Carribbeans as slaves.

I'm not trying to argue about who had suffered most, but my guy don't act like Germany didn't systematically KILL over 6 million Jews within your grandfather's lifetime.

The Jews reacted by lobbying America so hard that within 2 years of holocaust ending, the US created a whole damn country for the Jews, chasing away the people who had lived there for centuries.

Trust you to argue for the sake of arguing, and miss the point

You're here trying to argue that white people should be decent, whilst missing the most important fact of all - you can't force someone to be good. You can't guilt trip people to like you.

If you want people to act in a way you want, then you must give them an incentive to do so.

White people lined up and killed over 6 MILLION WHITE PEOPLE, because of their ethnicity.

In UK in the 60s, Racist landlords would advertise:
NO IRISH, NO BLACKS, NO DOGS.

Irish people are white like the landlords.

Attitudes have not changed between 1945 and now. Neo-Nazis are still going strong in America today.

The same Neo-Nazi racists hate blacks as much as the hate Jews...but you don't see Jew victims in the news as often.

Think about it

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by izzou(m): 5:53pm On May 28, 2020
larride:
Nigeria is not leaving him out to dry.


I don't know, but I have this feeling the USA may have discovered something.

Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 5:53pm On May 28, 2020
Ibime:


I read somewhere that that officer has been investigated in 3 shootings before now including one fatality. All the names.of the victims were either Latino or black sounding.

TBH, the bar on joining the Police is too low. I remember my friend Omar in college. He always stressed that he doesn't need to pass cos he is aiming to join Police and he was dumb as a dodo. So what stops any dumb racist from joining the Police force. Infact if I was a racist and not very bright intellectually, the Police is the first place I'd apply because they pay better than other unskilled labour and I can get satisfaction from having power over blacks in that position.

On an aside, my old friend Omar caused a media storm in UK, 4 years after we finished A Levels by refusing to guard Israeli embassy cos Israel was fighting war with Lebanon at the time, and his wife was Lebanese while he was Syrian. Police force later got their lawyers to clear up the controversy by giving excuse that he was scared of reprisals from Muslim extremists. Anyway, I gathered from the media reports that he had gone high up in the Police cos he was special forces, handling heavy weaponry. I thought if this dumb guy can go this far in Police in 4 years, that means I should always see any Policeman I come across as some dropout who is only doing this job cos they don't have brain to succeed elsewhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/05/ukcrime.uknews21

Donjazet should read that article you posted.

Your Muslim friend refused to guard Jewish embassy, and the head of police in the UK got involved and changed regulations to make sure it can't happen again.

I bet both my testicles that nobody would give two shïts, if it was the Naija embassy

Come to think of it, Naija high commission in London does not have police guarding it sef.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 5:54pm On May 28, 2020
Ibime:


I read somewhere that that officer has been investigated in 3 shootings before now including one fatality. All the names.of the victims were either Latino or black sounding.

TBH, the bar on joining the Police is too low. I remember my friend Omar in college. He always stressed that he doesn't need to pass cos he is aiming to join Police and he was dumb as a dodo. So what stops any dumb racist from joining the Police force. Infact if I was a racist and not very bright intellectually, the Police is the first place I'd apply because they pay better than other unskilled labour and I can get satisfaction from having power over blacks in that position.

On an aside, my old friend Omar caused a media storm in UK, 4 years after we finished A Levels by refusing to guard Israeli embassy cos Israel was fighting war with Lebanon at the time, and his wife was Lebanese while he was Syrian. Police force later got their lawyers to clear up the controversy by giving excuse that he was scared of reprisals from Muslim extremists. Anyway, I gathered from the media reports that he had gone high up in the Police in the intervening cos he was special forces, handling heavy weaponry. I thought if this dumb guy can go this far in Police in 4 years, that means I should always see any Policeman I come across as some dropout who is only doing this job cos they don't have brain to succeed elsewhere.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/oct/05/ukcrime.uknews21

The bar is low exactly because nobody wants to join. Smart youngsters are studying Engineering, Medicine, Finance, Law NOT joining police force.

Apart from those ones that join as young detectives the guys that join the police in most countries are blockheads.

When you narrow it down to beat/patrol officers (the ones usually involved in these shootings) the blockhead probability approaches 1.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 5:56pm On May 28, 2020
larride:


Let them just unbundle the NPF first.

That’s the first step towards getting the security issue addressed. A centralized police force with command from Abuja is counterproductive.

And then most of these govs will hide under that not to take responsibilities for the crimes happening in their states and look for solution.

You are right.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 6:14pm On May 28, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Holocaust still happened less than 100 years ago.
UK only gave Hong Kong back to China in 1999.
The Indians were also taken to the Carribbeans as slaves.
I'm not trying to argue about who had suffered most, but my guy don't act like Germany didn't systematically KILL over 6 million Jews within your grandfather's lifetime.
The Jews reacted by lobbying America so hard that within 2 years of holocaust ending, the US created a whole damn country for the Jews, chasing away the people who had lived there for centuries.
Trust you to argue for the sake of arguing, and miss the point
You're here trying to argue that white people should be decent, whilst missing the most important fact of all - you can't force someone to be good. You can't guilt trip people to like you.
If you want people to act in a way you want, then you must give them an incentive to do so.
White people lined up and killed over 6 MILLION WHITE PEOPLE, because of their ethnicity.
In UK in the 60s, Racist landlords would advertise:
NO IRISH, NO BLACKS, NO DOGS.
Irish people are white like the landlords.
Attitudes have not changed between 1945 and now. Neo-Nazis are still going strong in America today.
The same Neo-Nazi racists hate blacks as much as the hate Jews...but you don't see Jew victims in the news as often.
Think about it

You still don't get it, do you?
You always understate or undermine the efforts of the blacklivesmatter movement and I am trying to point out the historical context and their significance. Why that movement is necessary since you are oblivious to the plight of a black man in the United States.

There is a very big difference between the hatred of a group of people and an entire degradation of human beings. Its very different when people hate you than when people genuinely don't see you as a complete human being and that difference seems to be lost on you.
I was about further buttressing my point when you replied.

The jews have been hated for centuries in only Europe based on purely religious grounds.

This forced them into the financial business and tax collection which enabled their group to be more mobile and easily escape hate crimes.
However, today antisemitism arises simply from jealousy and suspicion of their wealth since they were so successful in their financial endeavours.

It's disingenuity to compare racism to antisemitism. First of all, antisemitism is mostly based on religious grounds and now that religion is on a heavy decline in Europe and America, very few people still hate jews on that grounds but you still have people who don't entertain the idea of a black man having the same Human Rights and values as them.

Comparing the jews and the blacks is not a fair comparison.
Worse off, comparing the Irish who are simply fighting for their independence.

Problems have always been abound between groups in all parts of society but you can never compare any with the social stratification the blacks have faced. It's not reasonable.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 6:22pm On May 28, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Holocaust still happened less than 100 years ago.

UK only gave Hong Kong back to China in 1999.

The Indians were also taken to the Carribbeans as slaves.

I'm not trying to argue about who had suffered most, but my guy don't act like Germany didn't systematically KILL over 6 million Jews within your grandfather's lifetime.

The Jews reacted by lobbying America so hard that within 2 years of holocaust ending, the US created a whole damn country for the Jews, chasing away the people who had lived there for centuries.

Trust you to argue for the sake of arguing, and miss the point

You're here trying to argue that white people should be decent, whilst missing the most important fact of all - you can't force someone to be good. You can't guilt trip people to like you.

If you want people to act in a way you want, then you must give them an incentive to do so.

White people lined up and killed over 6 MILLION WHITE PEOPLE, because of their ethnicity.

In UK in the 60s, Racist landlords would advertise:
NO IRISH, NO BLACKS, NO DOGS.

Irish people are white like the landlords.

Attitudes have not changed between 1945 and now. Neo-Nazis are still going strong in America today.

The same Neo-Nazi racists hate blacks as much as the hate Jews...but you don't see Jew victims in the news as often.

Think about it
The USA did not create a new country for Jews. The new state of Israel was declared in May( I think) 1948. World War Two ended in 1945
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 6:32pm On May 28, 2020
nihilistjnr:


Donjazet should read that article you posted.

Your Muslim friend refused to guard Jewish embassy, and the head of police in the UK got involved and changed regulations to make sure it can't happen again.

I bet both my testicles that nobody would give two shïts, if it was the Naija embassy

Come to think of it, Naija high commission in London does not have police guarding it sef.

While i agree with you that economic empowerment like you alluded to is an avenue to stopping the madness, i don’t think you are making a fair comparison when it comes to Jews.

The Jews have had a head start of several hundred years over Blacks when it comes to the western world.
You underestimate the financial might of Jews if you think African Americans already have the financial resources to make the power plays you alluded to in your previous post.
It is important to appreciate the position of Jews in America pre and post World War 2 to understand how they were able to exert significant influence on government policy.

1) About 10 yrs ago when there was only 1 Black in the Top 400 richest Americans there were 30 Jews in the Top 100.

2) Currently there are 6 Jews in the top 10 richest Americans.

3) Jews make up 2 percent of the population and have about a third of the wealth.

4) They have dominated the banking industry and the movie industry in the USA right from the times Blacks were legally barred from most schools and disenfranchised by Jim Crow laws, and whites had to portray black characters because most blacks were not allowed to have those roles.

5) They had the advantage of wealth accumulation across several generations and came willingly to America as traders and bankers with funds and assets, unlike the Blacks who were kidnapped from their homeland, subjected to 300yrs of slavery, and 100 more years of Jim Crow.

The Blacks do not have, and will not soon have the financial resources to make the power plays of the scale of the Jews, and you can’t expect Blacks in 60yrs to build the kind of economic base the Jews built over hundreds of years.

It is also important to note that most of the land mark occasions in this fight right from abolishment of slave trade, abolishment of slavery, Brown vs Board of Education, to the Civil Rights Act all came about through varying forms of public advocacy (and a bloody Civil War) and not just through black economic empowerment.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 6:46pm On May 28, 2020
Furthermore, you opined earlier that other minority groups have strong lobby groups and that is why other minority groups don't complain or are least afraid of racial segregation.
First of all, no other minority group is hated or killed as much as much as the black race.

Very few Latinos, Indians or Chinese are killed on racial grounds or the belief that they are not worth living.

Secondly, what makes the situation so dire for the black man is that he has no better homeland to fall back on.
The Chinese have the Second highest economy, India are one of the 10 richest country. While all African countries are shitholes as described by their leader.

If a Chinese is maltreated, he can say fuck_ it, I can't take it anymore and return to his motherland. A middle income earner in America will be a rich man in Beijing or Hongkong, likewise an emigrant Indian in Mumbai or New Delhi.

The black man in USA knows that his condition there is still better than coming down to his homeland.

China, India and Israel all have better prestige and power internationally than any African country, so it is difficult for any of them to speak up for the black man's cause in the USA when such matters arises unlike their other minority counterparts.

So apart from the jews, there are no lobby groups for other minorities like India or China in the USA because their countries already have a certain level of prestige internationally and wealth that can absorb emigrants returning.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 6:52pm On May 28, 2020
They don give una solution. But trust black to still dey find excuses.

Then let's continue crying, cos another black man might get murdered soon.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by timay(m): 7:03pm On May 28, 2020
eph12:

Hmmm it's unfortunate that we have blacks in privileged positions in the police and government but they're not doing anything about it

I see a lot of black judges, black police chiefs , top black politicians who could salvage this issue and correct this things, for Christ sake the last US president is a black man, yet this guys miraculous turn white when they get to those positions because of money and personal gain, why can't these people be the Esther of black people and help them fight for them from the inside.

It's still a mystery to me

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:11pm On May 28, 2020
donjazet:


For instance, in the early 50s and 60s. Other fellow Nigerians hated the igbos because of their success in commerce and finance. Other tribal leaders heavily suspected and this would also eventually lead to war and their killing too but today.
Such tribal hatred is limited to just pockets of individuals because such hatred with time can be healed. That is exactly same with the jews.


What is this ffs? grin

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 7:15pm On May 28, 2020
larride:


What is this ffs? grin
I don't need to talk much on this in order not to needlessly argue over this.
Simply watch the video below that perfectly captures my point.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by eph12(m): 7:15pm On May 28, 2020
timay:


I see a lot of black judges, black police chiefs , top black politicians who could salvage this issue and correct this things, for Christ sake the last US president is a black man, yet this guys miraculous turn white when they get to those positions because of money and personal gain, why can't these people be the Esther of black people and help them fight for them from the inside.

It's still a mystery to me
Obama was president of USA just yesterday
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:25pm On May 28, 2020
donjazet:

I don't need to talk much on this in order not to needlessly argue over this.
Simply watch the video below that perfectly captures my point.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_odAy4rVz8

And this validates your point of “Other fellow Nigerians hated the Igbos because of their success in commerce and finance”?
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:43pm On May 28, 2020
larride:


And this validates your point of “Other fellow Nigerians hated the Igbos because of their success in commerce and finance”?

grin

Just accept the video evidence and bounce.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:48pm On May 28, 2020
timay:


I see a lot of black judges, black police chiefs , top black politicians who could salvage this issue and correct this things, for Christ sake the last US president is a black man, yet this guys miraculous turn white when they get to those positions because of money and personal gain, why can't these people be the Esther of black people and help them fight for them from the inside.

It's still a mystery to me

You are reducing this argument to a simple one and doing an injustice to Obama.

It doesn't work like that. Justice lies in the hands of the courts, and if the jurors decide a policeman has reasonable cause to discharge their weapon, they will always acquit.

Americas problem is unfortunately compounded by loose gun laws. Any miscommunication/aggressive racial profiling can lead to this grey area where any confrontation can easily escalate into a situation where an officer will claim "fear for their lives or public safety". This is the only legal bar the officer needs to clear to get away with murder.

The strain on relations between the black community and Police means these situations will escalate frequently into fire discharge. You also have many jumpy officers who might not be racist but uncomfortable communicating with black men and cannot hold their nerve from discharging early at the first sign of confrontation. I posit that if you take guns off the streets, Police Officers discharge a lot less as they are less jumpy.

Once they discharge, as long as they can prove "threat to life", they will get away scott-free regardless what Obama or any black leaders say. The legal systems protects the rights of Police to use their judgement to discharge and have to weigh up the consequences of punishing Police Officers too heavy handedly as any hesitancy in discharging could put Police and Public in danger in a genuine situation.

Take the case of Daniel Shaver, who BTW was white guy. You can check the video below. He was a pest controller showing his friends his new BB gun for exterminating bird pests. Police were called. As you'll see in the video, the Policeman was too aggressive, and giving conflicting instructions meanwhile Daniel Shaver was drunk and crying. As Police asked him to crawl toward them, his pants started falling and he reached for his belt to hold his pants up. That was the end of his life as they discharged on him for that action.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBUUx0jUKxc

Guess what the jury would have to consider in this case? Regardless of the obnoxious Police officers aggressive behaviour, the verdict on a murder charge will hinge on if the Police considered themselves in danger in the instance he reached for his belt. The answer can easily be argued in court to be yes. They did, and got away scott-free. The discharging officer even retired early on full pension citing PTSD from the court case.

Guess what in legal eyes, his aggressive behaviour toward Daniel does not matter. Aggressive behaviour is not murder. The murder verdict simply hinges on whether the officer was in fear of his life when Daniel reached for his belt.

This is the way of America where any small disagreement will have one or both parties in fear for their lives. In the words of Jay-Z, the Police and the Courts enshrine the rights of Policemen and even some citizens to "squeeze first, ask questions last".

Although we don't have armed officers in UK, I personally keep my conversations with Police extremely cordial, although I've had very few, but if I'm just walking past Police, I greet them for example.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by larride(m): 7:48pm On May 28, 2020
airmark:


grin

Just accept the video evidence and bounce.

There has to be a school where they teach this “hatred line” to the Youth in the East.

The media space is too filled with different bullcrap about everyone hating them. It’s sad to read about.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 7:54pm On May 28, 2020
timay:


I see a lot of black judges, black police chiefs , top black politicians who could salvage this issue and correct this things, for Christ sake the last US president is a black man, yet this guys miraculous turn white when they get to those positions because of money and personal gain, why can't these people be the Esther of black people and help them fight for them from the inside.
It's still a mystery to me

You marvel me.
For some reason, you guys seem to think that a belief which reigned supreme for centuries and was passed down from generations to generations can easily be shed in a twinkle of an eye.

IT IS A GRADUAL PROCESS.

It took more than 200 years for a half black man to become the president.

You saying black judges and and politicians and wealthy black people are not doing anything to help the black man's cause is a statement that flies in the face of facts. It is an insult to the efforts of many prominent black people who have walked the streets in protest for their rights inspite of dangers to their lives. Or those who have even lost their lives while fighting for the basic right to LIVE.

only 60 years ago, black people couldn't vote, or seat anywhere they wanted or eat in any restaurant of their choices, or even use certain public toilets. They were denied these just on the basis of their skin color but today they can at least do this things because of the intense struggles of prominent politicians and activists who lobbied for these rights.

Obama did make significant efforts for the black man especially in his housing reform schemes and income equality reforms but he was limited in his efforts by the facts that him being a black preside cast suspicion upon him by whites and other minority groups that he may be favourable to the blacks over them.

The reforms I stated earlier were decried by republicans as geared towards only helping blacks and congress always blocked his plans.


saying that prominent blacks are not helping the black cause is a fallacious statement.

Only time and constant protests and sensitization to the plights of black men will further help the black man's cause.

Racism which took years to form and emulsify will not just disappear from their minds, only constant sensitization will shed the belief.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazet(m): 8:08pm On May 28, 2020
larride:


And this validates your point of “Other fellow Nigerians hated the Igbos because of their success in commerce and finance”?

Are you tone deaf or what I really don't want this discourse to digress to tribal issues. You can hear a prominent leader giving reasons for his suspicion and hatred towards his fellow tribe and you are still asking me rubbish questions!
I normally regard you as a smart political analyst so better go and brush up on your political history.

Lastly, I don't hate anybody, I only used that point as a correlation to my major point.

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by odizeey(m): 8:10pm On May 28, 2020
Inside life.
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 8:11pm On May 28, 2020
afrodoc2:


While i agree with you that economic empowerment like you alluded to is an avenue to stopping the madness, i don’t think you are making a fair comparison when it comes to Jews.

The Jews have had a head start of several hundred years over Blacks when it comes to the western world.
You underestimate the financial might of Jews if you think African Americans already have the financial resources to make the power plays you alluded to in your previous post.
It is important to appreciate the position of Jews in America pre and post World War 2 to understand how they were able to exert significant influence on government policy.

1) About 10 yrs ago when there was only 1 Black in the Top 400 richest Americans there were 30 Jews in the Top 100.

2) Currently there are 6 Jews in the top 10 richest Americans.

3) Jews make up 2 percent of the population and have about a third of the wealth.

4) They have dominated the banking industry and the movie industry in the USA right from the times Blacks were legally barred from most schools and disenfranchised by Jim Crow laws, and whites had to portray black characters because most blacks were not allowed to have those roles.

5) They had the advantage of wealth accumulation across several generations and came willingly to America as traders and bankers with funds and assets, unlike the Blacks who were kidnapped from their homeland, subjected to 300yrs of slavery, and 100 more years of Jim Crow.

The Blacks do not have, and will not soon have the financial resources to make the power plays of the scale of the Jews, and you can’t expect Blacks in 60yrs to build the kind of economic base the Jews built over hundreds of years.

It is also important to note that most of the land mark occasions in this fight right from abolishment of slave trade, abolishment of slavery, Brown vs Board of Education, to the Civil Rights Act all came about through varying forms of public advocacy (and a bloody Civil War) and not just through black economic empowerment.

I'm not going to take this argument into who has what, because that's irrelevant to the point. I'm also not going to argue about how long ethnic groups have held their wealth because that is also irrelevant to the point.

The koko is that the jews have suffered very similar to the way we've suffered....and what they did was to leverage their resources to buy access to power and make sure it never happened again.

There's enough wealth in African-America TODAY to effect significant change. There was enough wealth in African-America 20 years ago to begin to effect significant political change in that country.

African-America has even had a BLACK president for 8 good years, and were unable or unwilling to leverage that kind of access.

In the UK here, when you see black politicians in parliament, the majority of them got into the house via grassroot politics and the labour party. When you see the indians, they're all coming into politics from money.

Rishi Sunak our Chancellor came from Goldman Sachs and is married to the daughter of one of the richest men in the world
Alok Sharma, our Business Secretary came from Deloitte
Priti Patel, Home Secretary came from a consulting background
Baroness Warsi came from a family who had a mattress factory making millions a year

All of these people joined the Conservative Party, aka the Racist Party. Baroness Warsi was even the leader of the party at one point. Every single one of them is a first generation immigrant.

Black politics is generally leftist, activism based with a stong focus on raising awareness and making noise. The Indians dont have time for all of that, they simply bought their way into the racist party itself.

This is how you protect the interest of your own kind, not carrying placard and crying that nobody likes you.

The days of placard carrying is well and truly over doc. We either get the memo or continue dodging bullets in America

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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nihilistjnr: 8:16pm On May 28, 2020
Unlimited22:

The USA did not create a new country for Jews. The new state of Israel was declared in May( I think) 1948. World War Two ended in 1945

Israel was created by UN Charter. The UN was created by the allied powers(including the US) in 1945.

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