TalabiAudu:
Hazard is back!!

Back from where

I'm not watching the match, but text commentary describes Real's 2nd goal as being scored on a fast break, with the assist from Hazard.
But the scorer was Ramos.
And it was scored from very close range
How did Ramos end up so close to the opposing goal despite that it was a counterattack?

raumdeuter:


Back from where

A wise man once said
"The 'from' matters not as much as the 'to'.

The usual suspects are not watching the game for the sake of it but to come here later and start the Hazard argument all over again.

raumdeuter:

Back from where

His injury denied him from having a fine start at Madrid.
HE IS BACK!!

BlueMann:
I'm not watching the match, but text commentary describes Real's 2nd goal as being scored on a fast break, with the assist from Hazard.
But the scorer was Ramos.
And it was scored from very close range
How did Ramos end up so close to the opposing goal despite that it was a counterattack?

He intercepted the ball from the back starting a counter and ran with the speed of light to the box waiting to tap in from Hazard.

Ramos as a striker is better than the likes of Morata and Tammy Abraham.

TalabiAudu:

His injury denied him from having a fine start at Madrid.

HE IS BACK!!

The injury that gave him 4 career CL goals from open play

patrickmuf:
The usual suspects are not watching the game for the sake of it but to come here later and start the Hazard argument all over again.

2 goal contributions out of the 3

But since only 1 asssist is recorded, the effort on the pitch is useless and could have done better.

BlueMann:


A wise man once said
"The 'from' matters not as much as the 'to'.

A wiser man said if you don't know where you are coming FROM you probably won't know where you are going TO

raumdeuter:


A wiser man said if you don't know where you are coming FROM you probably won't know where you are going TO

The wisest man said "Do not focus on the disappointments of the pasts. Rather, learn from them, and focus on the potentials of the future"

TalabiAudu:



He intercepted the ball from the back starting a counter and ran with the speed of light to the box waiting to tap in from Hazard.

Ramos as a striker is better than the likes of Morata and Tammy Abraham.

Nothing wey Arsenal no go see for Europa league

Hazard out

I'm out.

@ibime nihilistjnr afrodoc2

Seen this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-colonialism-africa-british-empire-slavery-a9564541.html

Though he made the statement in 2002 in an article.

raumdeuter:

Back from where

He has finally surpassed Ter Stegen assists. He's back!

Seems Courtois is having a busy night

Ibime:
@ A40,

Who do we blame for this?

I've said it - 80% of Americas problem is due to 2nd Amendment rights. Had this happened in the UK, UK police would have to find a way to subdue the guy without reaching for gun. On the other hand, grabbing Police Officers taser in Yankee will get you shot every time.

See how a pleasant conversation degenerated into death at the first sign of conflict due to the presence of guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiKgmCJwls

Na wa. Shooting to kill on suspicion of DUI. This is a DUI suspect not a felon, this force was excessive

These officers are given a ridiculously wide berth to interpret what is termed a threat and what isn't, this is 3rd degree murder at the very least.

There is no justification for what these officers did.

larride:
@ibime nihilistjnr afrodoc2

Seen this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-colonialism-africa-british-empire-slavery-a9564541.html

Though he made the statement in 2002 in an article.

It's not news. There was an article back in the day where he used a derogatory term, pickanninies or something of that nature

BlueMann:
The more I see Loftus-Cheek in this form, the more I think Kai Havertz is not a necessity
BTW, who else thinks our kit with blue socks is fire compared to white

wow so you guys still talk sports in this section

Ibime:
@ A40,

Who do we blame for this?

I've said it - 80% of Americas problem is due to 2nd Amendment rights. Had this happened in the UK, UK police would have to find a way to subdue the guy without reaching for gun. On the other hand, grabbing Police Officers taser in Yankee will get you shot every time.

See how a pleasant conversation degenerated into death at the first sign of conflict due to the presence of guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiKgmCJwls

Rayshard Brooks was NOT shot because he was drunk. He was shot after he pointed a weapon at pursuing officers. Bad idea. The officers were justified in their use of force.

Ibime:
@ A40,

Who do we blame for this?

I've said it - 80% of Americas problem is due to 2nd Amendment rights. Had this happened in the UK, UK police would have to find a way to subdue the guy without reaching for gun. On the other hand, grabbing Police Officers taser in Yankee will get you shot every time.

See how a pleasant conversation degenerated into death at the first sign of conflict due to the presence of guns.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOiKgmCJwls

The encounter was legitimate. Rayshard Brooks physically attacked the cops trying to arrest him, stole their taser, and aimed it at the cops. He was fleeing at the time he pointed it, but force was clearly justified. Case closed

MaziAlaye:

The encounter was legitimate. Rayshard Brooks physically attacked the cops trying to arrest him, stole their taser, and aimed it at the cops. He was fleeing at the time he pointed it, but force was clearly justified. Case closed

if this was a white dude?
Would this scenario have ensured?

Think about it

The black Guy was drunk. He admitted already that he was. He parked his Car, and ready to walk down the Road to avoid causing Accident.

He calmly, despite under the fuckin Influence, cooperated with the Cop. He was pushed to the limit psychologically by the Cop, let's be honest here.

The Cop knew what he was doing. He wanted the Dude to react fiercely. He provocated the Guy, because he knew he's not in his sense(s) to make right Decision(s), yet the Dude held on too long despite in such a State of vulnerability.

He admitted he's drunk, you saw it, you felt it, what called for the Test? Did he argue or deny it?!

If he's white, that stupid Cop would have volunteered to drop him Home honorably and respectfully. Like sir, can you tell your Address, so I can drop you home?!

Touched!

larride:
@ibime nihilistjnr afrodoc2

Seen this?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-colonialism-africa-british-empire-slavery-a9564541.html

Though he made the statement in 2002 in an article.

Normal thing for Boris

Here's a 20 page dossier on his historical racist statements

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XzAujyzN9JxpUl9rN7EIIX0AlgaXL8rE/view

nihilistjnr:


Normal thing for Boris

Here's a 20 page dossier on his historical racist statements

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XzAujyzN9JxpUl9rN7EIIX0AlgaXL8rE/view

20 page ke!!!!

nihilistjnr:


Normal thing for Boris

Here's a 20 page dossier on his historical racist statements

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1XzAujyzN9JxpUl9rN7EIIX0AlgaXL8rE/view

Wawu. I was surprised when I saw it, I didn’t even know those of you over there fully know his antecedent.

Ibime:


Great points . . . and probably, how sensible people would deal with such matters in an ideal world . . .but drunks get arrested in their thousands every week from DUIs to football hooligans and pub brawlers. Being drunk is not an automatic pass to having emergency services called unless your state of drunkenness puts your health in jeopardy. If your state of drunkenness puts others in danger (eg getting behind a wheel while drunk), it is not EMS attention you deserve but Police attention. Harshly, but frankly speaking, the EMS on standby should be for those who you might hit while driving drunk, while a night in the cells should help you sober up and reflect on your actions. We cannot now give everyone carte-blanche to get behind the wheel drunk without punishment for fear that arresting them might escalate into Police brutality or death.

This Policeman will not get anything more than manslaughter. The "drunkenness" inducing "mental incapacity" argument would have been a defence for Rayshard had he slain the cop. It will not be a reason to convict the cop. Cops are allowed to use deadly force against deranged or mentally incapacitated people if they can prove it was in the interest of public safety. The cop will get fired for mishandling the initial situation by not applying softer skills, but the action of murder and any conviction for it will simply hinge on whether he can prove he had a reasonable fear that his colleagues life was in danger in the last few seconds of the encounter.

The difference is ours is supposed to the closest to ideal. We spend hours chastising China, North Korea and Russia for the violation of human rights but we have become animals against the people we are supposed to serve and protect in the first place. Furthermore, there is absolutely no justification of force here if the cops were diligent and discipline initially.

Ask yourself, would this interaction always end up with the man getting shot and killed if you replaced the cops with other cops (including white cops) were involved? If your answer is no then this encounter murdered the man because it was avoidable!

Do you realize the interaction between the cops and this man before it went South was over 24 minutes? 24 minutes of interrogating a drunk man who was cooperating. Think about that for a second. Baba, I will tell you with 10000% assurance that the option to call the EMT/ family member or even drive the guy home was there, it happens daily, it is about VULNERABILITY! I challenge you to drive around pubs and bars over the weekend and see better interactions between drunks and law enforcement! If they are rational and do not have any outstanding warrants then he does not necessarily have to spend the night in jail!! It is a basic training the cops go through, you find alternatives, you ensure they are safe!

The job of the police is not to choose who utilized the EMT especially one in a vulnerable state because tax payers are paying for them! To your point, he was already parked and asleep in his car because he knew his state. If to your point, the EMT is for those who are at risk for driving then he qualifies for the use of EMT because he could have woken up to drive.

Truth is we have abandoned the good decision this man made to avoid a terrible situation and now focusing on his decision to wrestle cops tasing and choke holding him which ultimately cost him his life.

He had no business trying to get the weapon but again he was DRUNK! He will win over and over again in court! He was unaware of what was going on, adrenaline along with his drunk state triggered that behavior...that can make a cogent case especially since the cops are saying he shot at them!

This could have gone a different way!

If he actually grabbed the taser and pointed at the cop, then thats a stupid thing to do.

Though he wasn't in the right state of mind, but what he did right there might be a depiction of his real self - a stubborn black man.

I'm not sure the cop would have shot him if he was white though, but bringing a cop down with his one taser is a big act of disrespect.

As a black man, and knowing how these white cops behave towards blacks, dude should have fully cooperated to avoid his own story being the next cause for BLM protest.

Who don die don die. No be me them go use start revolution

MaziAlaye:

The encounter was legitimate. Rayshard Brooks physically attacked the cops trying to arrest him, stole their taser, and aimed it at the cops. He was fleeing at the time he pointed it, but force was clearly justified. Case closed

Police will always have a justification for use of force as long as guns are at play. The point I've been trying to make to A40 is that 80% of these incidents are 2nd amendment incidents.

UK policy makers know that guns escalate mundane matters and decided not to give their Police guns. Meanwhile citizens easily acquiesce to arrest knowing their life is not in danger, and when they don't acquiesce, it doesn't turn deadly.

We keep dancing around the koko of the matter, and giving jittery and prejudiced cops an out using the reasonable force excuse. Meanwhile on the other hand we have people saying Police should ignore a DUI for the sake of peace as if any country can afford to allow tens of thousands of it's citizens to DUI every week putting the road using public and pedestrians in danger. No, let the law be the law, and if you take guns off both citizens and Police, the law can be enforced without rancour.

Otherwise we would be coming back every few weeks to analyse different scenarios as to whether the use of force was justified, or whether Police should have ignored the law and let a perpetrator slide. Meanwhile racial tensions, both real and falsely perceived will continue to exarcebate.

Below is a typical British situation where someone assaulted a police officer by throwing them into the sea. We get loads of these incidents per week and no one dies. If na Yankee this happen, bullets for fly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faa7dXFTUDc

Oasis007:


The black Guy was drunk. He admitted already that he was. He parked his Car, and ready to walk down the Road to avoid causing Accident.

He calmly, despite under the fuckin Influence, cooperated with the Cop. He was pushed to the limit psychologically by the Cop, let's be honest here.

The Cop knew what he was doing. He wanted the Dude to react fiercely. He provocated the Guy, because he knew he's not in his sense(s) to make right Decision(s), yet the Dude held on too long despite in such a State of vulnerability.

He admitted he's drunk, you saw it, you felt it, what called for the Test? Did he argue or deny it?!

If he's white, that stupid Cop would have volunteered to drop him Home honorably and respectfully. Like sir, can you tell your Address, so I can drop you home?!

Touched!

I felt like crying watching that video. That was very very unfair.

The whole situation would’ve been avoided if the cops had hadn’t had a malicious intent towards the guy.

This video i stumbled upon perfectly captures the narrative.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=43gm3CJePn0

Roland17:


The difference is ours is supposed to the closest to ideal. We spend hours chastising China, North Korea and Russia for the violation of human rights but we have become animals against the people we are supposed to serve and protect in the first place. Furthermore, there is absolutely no justification of force here if the cops were diligent and discipline initially.

Ask yourself, would this interaction always end up with the man getting shot and killed if you replaced the cops with other cops (including white cops) were involved? If your answer is no then this encounter murdered the man because it was avoidable!

Do you realize the interaction between the cops and this man before it went South was over 24 minutes? 24 minutes of interrogating a drunk man who was cooperating. Think about that for a second. Baba, I will tell you with 10000% assurance that the option to call the EMT/ family member or even drive the guy home was there, it happens daily, it is about VULNERABILITY! I challenge you to drive around pubs and bars over the weekend and see better interactions between drunks and law enforcement! If they are rational and do not have any outstanding warrants then he does not necessarily have to spend the night in jail!! It is a basic training the cops go through, you find alternatives, you ensure they are safe!

The job of the police is not to choose who utilized the EMT especially one in a vulnerable state because tax payers are paying for them! To your point, he was already parked and asleep in his car because he knew his state. If to your point, the EMT is for those who are at risk for driving then he qualifies for the use of EMT because he could have woken up to drive.

Truth is we have abandoned the good decision this man made to avoid a terrible situation and now focusing on his decision to wrestle cops tasing and choke holding him which ultimately cost him his life.

He had no business trying to get the weapon but again he was DRUNK! He will win over and over again in court! He was unaware of what was going on, adrenaline along with his drunk state triggered that behavior...that can make a cogent case especially since the cops are saying he shot at them!

This could have gone a different way!

It should have gone a different way but I do not buy the vulnerability talk. EMT is for drunks or drug addicts where there is a risk to their health. This guy was a straight DUI and should be arrested. He was not sleeping in the carpark to cool off having committed the DUI hours ago, but actively fell asleep on the drive-through while waiting to place his order. It was a clear and active DUI and a clear arrest. No country can afford to let DUI slide and allow tens of thousands to DUI weekly and put the public in danger. The first part of this confrontation is legally above board, we can only argue as to whether the cop should apply more common sense and soft skills.

The second part of the confrontation is the question of prejudice/gross incompetence, and I believe this is where we always get argument about justifiable use of force which gives incompetent or racist cops an out to get away with murder. I believe the solution to this part is simply repeal of 2nd amendment for both cops and citizens and these killings will die down instantly and we black people can focus on something more productive than protesting real and perceived police brutality. I expound on this part in my response to Mazi below.

Ibime:

Police will always have a justification for use of force as long as guns are at play. The point I've been trying to make to A40 is that 80% of these incidents are 2nd amendment incidents.

UK policy makers know that guns escalate mundane matters and decided not to give their Police guns. Meanwhile citizens easily acquiesce to arrest knowing their life is not on danger, and when they don't acquiesce, it doesn't turn deadly.

We keep dancing around the koko of the matter, and giving jittery and prejudiced cops an out using the reasonable force excuse. Meanwhile on the other hand we have people saying Police should ignore a DUI for the sake of peace as if any country can afford to allow tens of thousands of it's citizens to DUI every week putting the road using public and pedestrians in danger. No, let the law be the law, and if you take guns off both citizens and Police, the law can be enforced without rancour.

Otherwise we would be coming back every few weeks to analyse different scenarios as to whether the use of force was justified, or whether Police should have ignored the law and let a perpetrator slide. Meanwhile racial tensions, both real and falsely perceived will continue to exarcebate.

Below is a typical British situation where someone assaulted a police officer by throwing them into the sea. We get loads of these incidents per week and no one dies. If na Yankee this happen, bullets for fly.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=faa7dXFTUDc