Maximus69:
God will surely punish those village people that turn you into this!

Surely God will punish them!

pharisee false jw max

so you still have no truth to say, of course

johnw47:


pharisee false jw max

so you still have no truth to say, of course

You've said all the truth finish Sir!
Wetin Max sabi?
Your Lake of Fire explanation has rounded up the whole matter, so let everyone take that home to ponder and meditate for their salvation!

Maximus69:


You've said all the truth finish Sir!
Wetin Max sabi?
Your Lake of Fire explanation has rounded up the whole matter, so let everyone take that home to ponder and meditate for their salvation!

lying pharisee false jw max

no not everyone pharisee max, i said the destiny of you false jw is the LOF

see how you cannot stop lying at all, can you:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Maximus69:


You've said all the truth finish Sir!
Wetin Max sabi?
Your Lake of Fire explanation has rounded up the whole matter, so let everyone take that home to ponder and meditate for their salvation!

Salvation from who, a Jesus that couldn't save himself.

I've heard you Sir, so go and PREACH your LOF to others!

johnw47:


lying pharisee false jw max

no not everyone pharisee max, i said the destiny of you false jw is the LOF

see how you cannot stop lying at all, can you:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

GRIMMJOE:
Salvation from who, a Jesus that couldn't save himself.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Na so he dey pain you reach?

You jumped leave the other thread come dey hala for here again?

No do no do o no do gra gra for here ~ Lagbaja!

Maximus69:
I've heard you Sir, so go and PREACH your LOF to others!

habitual liar false jw max

i never do preach LOF, but i do show you your final destination as already said

but you false jw cannot stop lying post after post
day after day, for any reason, lying is just speaking naturally for you
as it is for your father:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

hoopernikao:
CORRECTING THE FALSE DOCTRINE OF CALLING JESUS AN ANGEL

I will be presenting my full explanations in separate but holistic posts. This is to guide against missing any point and avid distractions.

As a beginner, one of the most basic thing a bible student must know and adhere to in bible interpretation is to know that the scriptures even though is a collections of different books, it must be read together and see as a singular information, documentation and God's inspiration to humanity. [/b]The moment you want to start interpreting scriptures in silos or lifting verses out of its context to suit a narrative, you are already prone to error. [b]Any doctrine must have its foundation in the scriptures and must be taught evidently and visibly to establish it as a doctrine.


A doctrine as foundational as who Christ is that you cant put out more than 4-5 scriptures is already on its way to falsehood. Bible interpretation is not child's play that you just say whatever you feel. It must be provable, teachable, practicable and explainable.


Secondly, every books of the bible and its teaching were all drawn from a foundation writing. They werent drawn by sleeping and praying and something just dropped. All writers and writings of the scriptures have their foundation in Moses' writings. The foundation of all scriptures is based and drawn from what Moses wrote. That means, no author is an island on himself, They studied, searched, investigated Moses writing and by the inspiration of God wrote as an extension and progressive revelation. This is the reason we say the scriptures are sufficiently enough to be its own evidence. When you understand this in bible study, you will always take it as a duty to examine where an author is likely drawing its point from.

Note this, THE HOLYGHOST WILL NOT INSPIRE AN AUTHOR TO WRITE AS AGAINST HIS INSPIRATION IN MOSES WRITINGS. Hence, a great responsibility is placed on us to now read properly, investigate, compare scriptures and by the help of the same Holy Spirit, understand the text of the scriptures.

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Having said this, because of space, i will take my first point.

Firstly. Note that even though i have asked for scriptural evidence to show that JESUS IS AN ANGEL. I have seen none that seems serious. Only one person (DappaD) out of 4 proponents of such here pointed me to scriptures as explanation. Yet, see below what you send.



Taking your scriptural quotes out. I have also highlighted your key points.

1. Jude 9: Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

2. Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people:

3. Isaiah 9:6,7 ...his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

4. Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,

5. 2 Thessalonians 1:7 Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God:

6. Matthew 16:27 come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

7. Colossians 1:15 Who is the[b] image of the invisible God[/b], the firstborn of every creature:


Sadly, none of these have Jesus and Michael in same context. Only two have Jesus and Angel(s) in same context (2 Thessalonians 1:7, Matthew 16:27. we will still examine this).

Your point was that, we need to juxtapose the scriptures to come to the meaning. I am sorry, true bible hermeneutics and exegesis doesnt allow such juxtaposing. It will breed error as this. We must be able to trace vividly, by explaining scriptures with scriptures to derive a stand.

Also note, that only one of your scriptures have a meaning of angels in same context with Jesus. That is the word occurring together. The rest are simply out of it.

I will make sure i handle them in my explanations.


I truly hope you are patient enough to read to understand and then raise your concern howbeit, with scriptures.

@Janosky, Maximus69, DappaD, Acehart, Rozz, MuttleyLaff, Myer, Goshen360 (love to invite you two here)

You can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.

So if you want to see Jesus Christ as God, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as an Angel, it is there.
You want to see him as Lucifer (Morning Star), it is there.

On that premise, those who choose to see Jesus Christ as Archangel Michael will certainly see it too.
It is up to you, what do you want to see?

Those who want to see in the scriptures that Grace permits Sin, also see it. Hence most Pentecostals.
While those who want to see that Grace only permits righteousness, so shall they see viz Deeper Life.

Like I said, you can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.

Maximus69:


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Na so he dey pain you reach?

You jumped leave the other thread come dey hala for here again?

No do no do o no do gra gra for here ~ Lagbaja!

If you don't like it, pray for me to stop.

Myer:


You can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.

So if you want to see Jesus Christ as God, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as the Holy Spirit, it is there.
You want to see Jesus Christ as an Angel, it is there.
You want to see him as Lucifer (Morning Star), it is there.

On that premise, those who choose to see Jesus Christ as Archangel Michael will certainly see it too.
It is up to you, what do you want to see?

Those who want to see in the scriptures that Grace permits Sin, also see it. Hence most Pentecostals.
While those who want to see that Grace only permits righteousness, so shall they see viz Deeper Life.

Like I said, you can see whatever you choose to see in the scriptures.

Exactly, those that want to see violence and serve a fearful powerful God, guess what? it is there.

But the truth remains, God isn't anywhere.

OK thanks Sir!

johnw47:


habitual liar false jw max

i never do preach LOF, but i do show you your final destination as already said

but you false jw cannot stop lying post after post
day after day, for any reason, lying is just speaking naturally for you
as it is for your father:

Joh 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

GRIMMJOE:
If you don't like it, pray for me to stop.

Walahi Talahi i just dey enjoy my idle times with you, please don't stop i'm enjoying every moment of it Sir!

Maximus69:
OK thanks Sir!

pharisee false jw max

that's OK I'm always happy to
put a liar in his place

Well-done, more grease to your elbow Sir!

johnw47:


pharisee false jw max

that's OK I'm always happy to
put a liar in his place

Maximus69:
Well-done, more grease to your elbow Sir!

habitual liar false jw max

again that's OK, I'm happy to put you a liar in your place

Maximus69:


Oh so you're now aware that there is no Hellfire in God's word shey?
Gradually you're somehow gaining some sense!

Have you removed the book of revelation from your bible also?

Revelations 20:13-15
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

You can also read Luke 16: 19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Verse 24 to be precise.

I know you will still come back to worry yourself after saying goodbye!

Well there is nothing like Hellfire Sir, that's the misinterpretation of the committee that tried to translate the Bible into English.
What God said in the beginning is just two, live forever or return to dust, there was no place for tormenting bad people!

So if you are interested in learning more, my JW brothers and sisters will teach you but if you feel you're OK with what you know fine, JWs will continue teaching those who are willing to learn!

Myer:


Have you removed the book of revelation from your bible also?

Revelations 20:13-15
The sea gave up the dead who were in it, and Death and Hades delivered up the dead who were in them. And they were judged, each one according to his works.
Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

You can also read Luke 16: 19-31, the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Verse 24 to be precise.

Maximus69:
I know you will still come back to worry yourself after saying goodbye!

Well there is nothing like Hellfire Sir, that's the misinterpretation of the committee that tried to translate the Bible into English.
What God said in the beginning is just two, live forever or return to dust, there was no place for tormenting bad people!

So if you are interested in learning more, my JW brothers and sisters will teach you but if you feel you're OK with what you know fine, JWs will continue teaching those who are willing to learn!

Cant accept that fact that there's no hellfire,every deeds shall be rewarded good or bad.

Maximus69 who is the us.


Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Faithful4real:
Maximus69 who is the us.


Genesis 1:26

And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Father (JEHOVAH) and son (Jesus) talking Sir! Proverbs 8:22-31

Rozz:
Cant accept that fact that there's no hellfire,every deeds shall be rewarded good or bad.

NO problems my young lady it's deeper than human reasoning!

Just know that this same judgment goes for those who refuses to live like Deeperlifers, according to Churchgoers whoever does not accept their Jesus will also be thrown into fire to be tormented forever and ever NOT only those you may consider as BAD people alone!

Maximus69:


Father (JEHOVAH) and son (Jesus) talking Sir! Proverbs 8:22-31

No you are wrong.
Is the father, the son and the Holy spirit.

Maximus69:
I know you will still come back to worry yourself after saying goodbye!

Well there is nothing like Hellfire Sir, that's the misinterpretation of the committee that tried to translate the Bible into English.
What God said in the beginning is just two, live forever or return to dust, there was no place for tormenting bad people!

So if you are interested in learning more, my JW brothers and sisters will teach you but if you feel you're OK with what you know fine, JWs will continue teaching those who are willing to learn!

Why do I need your brothers when your articles are online?
It is just another (mis)interpretion of the scriptures according to what you leaders teach you.

Like I said, you can always see whatever you want to see.
And as always the contradictions and inconsistencies never cease.

Rozz:
Cant accept that fact that there's no hellfire,every deeds shall be rewarded good or bad.

You are right when you said a person's deeds shall be rewarded him or her! But the doctrine of hellfire being a place of torment for bad people is nothing but a disguised myth aimed at painting God a cruel being!
In some of the Bible translations today, the word rendered “hell” actually means Sheol/Hades(in English, Grave: a common grave for mankind, the earth the sea etc)
Wicked persons are simply to be destroyed and not put in a place of fiery torment!
Read the following Scriptures:
(Proverbs 2:22, Psalm 104:35, Matthew 25:46, 2Peter 2:9, 3:7, Romans 2:5-7)
Never has the scriptures hinted that wicked and sinful people will suffer in a place of torment forever.
The very idea of burning people in fire disgusts Jehovah God for it was something that had never come into his heart(Jeremiah 7:31, 32:35)

Faithful4real:

No you are wrong.
Is the father, the son and the Holy spirit.

Great!

So go and make good use of your doctrine Sir, let's see the aftereffect and benefits of your teaching on those adhering to your interpretation Sir! James 2:18-26

Myer:


Why do I need your brothers and your articles are online?
It is just another (mis)interpretion of the scriptures according to what you leaders teach you.

Like I said, you can always see whatever you want to see.
And as always the contradictions and inconsistencies never cease.

Your PERSONAL opinion Sir!

Maximus69:


Great!

So go and make good use of your doctrine Sir, let's see the aftereffect and benefits of your teaching on those adhering to your interpretation Sir! James 2:18-26

I have one question. Do your people ever get filled with the Holy spirit.

Faithful4real:


I have one question. Do your people ever get filled with the Holy spirit.

Abeg another Churchgoer is here o!

DappaD:

You are right when you said a person's deeds shall be rewarded him or her! But the doctrine of hellfire being a place of torment for bad people is nothing but a disguised myth aimed at painting God a cruel being!
In some of the Bible translations today, the word rendered “hell” actually means Sheol/Hades(in English, Grave: a common grave for mankind, the earth the sea etc)
Wicked persons are simply to be destroyed and not put in a place of fiery torment!
Read the following Scriptures:
(Proverbs 2:22, Psalm 104:35, Matthew 25:46, 2Peter 2:9, 3:7, Romans 2:5-7)
Never has the scriptures hinted that wicked and sinful people will suffer in a place of torment forever.
The very idea of burning people in fire disgusts Jehovah God for it was something that had never come into his heart(Jeremiah 7:31, 32:35)

If so,where shall be the devil's Final place,there can't be heaven without hell

Maximus69:


NO problems my young lady it's deeper than human reasoning!

Just know that this same judgment goes for those who refuses to live like Deeperlifers, according to Churchgoers whoever does not accept their Jesus will also be thrown into fire to be tormented forever and ever NOT only those you may consider as BAD people alone!

There are verses in the bible to prove hell fire exist.Revelation 21:8,Matthew10:28,Matthew 25:46 and many more

Maximus69:


Abeg another Churchgoer is here o!

Just answer the damn question.

Rozz:
If so,where shall be the devil's Final place,there can't be heaven without hell

The Devil is to be hurled into the lake of fire and sulfur and is to be annihilated (or destroyed) forever. (Revelation 20:10) but Satan is a spirit creature, so the “lake of fire” cannot possibly be a literal place of torment but a symbol for eternal destruction.
What is this “lake of fire and sulfur” you keep hearing about? Revelation 21:8 tells us “...in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.” that is a death from which there can never be a resurrection. So you've seen that the scriptures do not say the lake of fire is a place of torment.