connkg:


Thank you.
I'll quote Obama: "Yes, we can (do)"

grudges:
Does total has 5w-20, nd how much is it

sooperrescue:

No, they don't have but I was told it should be in the country this December

timenamoney:
I have been reading this topic from start and have learned more AND come to the conclusion that

1) those saying that 20w50 ( 20w which range from -7 degree ) will damage an engine used in Nigeria where our morning temperature in raining season is hardly below +21 degree are not literate, and for these saying 50w at operating temperature will be too thick for a Camry that is use for transportation in a state that has +42 degree outside temperature = talking rubbish, the manual says 5w30 is for Cold temperature (-0,-1,-2,-3,-4,-5,-6,-7,-8,-9,etc ) which we don't experience in Nigeria and should not be necessary , the manual clearly say 30w according to the oil chart is conducive for up to +38 degree ambient temperature range only (out side temperature ) WHICH MEANS IT will not be ok for a +42 or higher temperature which WILL need a 40w or 50 weight engine oil, I use 10w30 in my engine because the temperature in Port Harcourt can not exceed +38 degree not because 20w50 is bad , wrong or too thick ,50w may expect low mpg at +30 degree and below but get better mpg at +43 and higher temp , telling people not to use 20w50 in +43 degree ambient temperature is misleading and against the manufacturer oil chart recommendation

2) 80% of cars in Nigeria don't use themostat and have their fans running continuesly , which means their oils don't reach operating Temp and can't remove moisture etc, also resulting in open loop operation and have effect on their engine , not because the oil is 20w50

3) what we should be discussing is API rating for cars type or year and tested quality not viscosity in Nigeria ,I used 20w50 mobil from 2010 to 2019 without issues in an API sj Camry, but switched to 10w30 because Port Harcourt hardly reach +30 degree and +38 is the redline for 30w oils IN THAT CAR according to the manufacturer , I will never use 10w30 at +43 degree ambient temperature, 40w ,50w will perform better

4) ADVISE

USE RECOMMENDED API RATING OR BACKWARD CONPACTABLE ONE

IF U WANT TO USE 20W50 ,USE SYNTHETIC OR SEMI SYNTHETIC BECAUSE IT FLOW BETTER THAN MINERAL OR CONVERSATION OIL

USING A LOWER API RATING MAY EFFECT YOUR CAR

DON'T MIND ALL THESE SO CALLED OIL EXPERTS OR SELLERS SINGING 5W30 THAT CAN NOT READ A COMMON CAR OIL CHART WITHOUT ANY BAD RESULT ( UOA ) FROM 20W50 OF CORRECT API RATING

CHEERS

dollarnaira:


You just summarized the whole thread.
True to the above.
I said it too that it is all about temperature of a country or environment. Well, like u said API is d real thing. Most guys are here to sell foreign oil.

radautoworks:


I am still waiting for the answer whether Nigeria is hotter than the middle east where they use the said oils.

dollarnaira:


Every car manual gives a range

radautoworks:


I'm not sure how that answers my question...

radautoworks:


I am still waiting for the answer whether Nigeria is hotter than the middle east where they use the said oils.

dollarnaira:


Must I?

dollarnaira:


You just summarized the whole thread.
True to the above.
I said it too that it is all about temperature of a country or environment. Well, like u said API is d real thing. Most guys are here to sell foreign oil.

radautoworks:


I am still waiting for the answer whether Nigeria is hotter than the middle east where they use the said oils.

dollarnaira:

Must I?

dollarnaira:

Must I?

Ikenna351:


It makes it easier once you understand you can't save every man in some situations.

The best you can do is advise your loved ones, people you care about or someone that really cares for his/her wellbeing to avoid buying Nigerian used vehicles, if he/she can afford to financially.

Lion King - Monk.

radautoworks:


I am still waiting for the answer whether Nigeria is hotter than the middle east where they use the said oils.

timenamoney:
1)look at charts closely, it says 5w30 is best for Cold weather, do we have cold weather?=NO
2) look at the OIL ambient temperature diagram chart closely and prove me wrong, it shows that 5w30 API sj maximum temperature operating level is +38 not +45 or higher

did Toyota ever tell you that 5w30 API sn or newer can withstand +45 degree or higher (instead of+38 degree for sj?=no my dear

think harder Toyota never suggested one particular viscosity for thier car , if na lie ask gov nwike lol

radautoworks:


Hmmm... But they use manufacturer spec 5w30 for "cold weather" in the middle east and don't change engine upandan like in Nigeria. What do I know, maybe their car God is mightier than our own.

Let me just drop this here because me I don't know how to type repete https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/motor-oil-101/

https://www.aa1car.com/library/motor_oil_605.htm

timenamoney:
1) look closely the chart you posted is not in degree Celsius °C , it is in degrees Fahrenheit °F ,100 °F degrees Fahrenheit is equivalent to +38 °c degree Celsius simple , check other charts in this trend with Celsius and Fahrenheit to compare ,and post it for me my phone has issues to upload pictures

2) most of them don't believe in God, they mostly believe in science and science says use your car manufacturer oil chart ,and the chart say 20w lowest range is -7 and 9ja has +22 minimum temp , u see the distance , the reasons for lower viscosity oil is because 90% of engine wear is at startup , infact we don't have cold start in 9ja

3)you may use sj 5w30 at +38 degree or lower not higher temp , using 5w30 at +45 may work but will increase wear and tear in your engine , I didn't know if newer oils can withstand higher temp but sj 5w30 can not according to the chart

can someone help me with Camry oil chart diagram

NobleEngineer:


my naija ppu, our defender don finally show!!! now we can continue using our 20w50 in peace.... ahahhaahh

ironheart:
About this oil matter, all the oil recommend are correct includding the 20w50. All we need do is to do some research. I have been busy checking user manual of most vehicles. Now they have a chart for anticipated ambient temperature.. using 20w50 in modern cars is correct. Mostly in areas where the temperature is very high.


10 or 5w30 is like the average between the high side and the low side.

For recommended oil viscosities, refer to the chart. 10W-30 grade oils are not recommended for sustained high speed driving.



What i mean is. In US n Canada where most of our cars come from, the manufacturer has to recommend an oil that can protect the engine from below freezing 0'C to 40'C ambient temperature. This is because it is not practical to change oil every time you driving between two regions of low temperature and higher temperature levels.


Here in Nigeria except you driving to some norther states during the harmattan period, where temperature can be as low as 12'C. You are safer running those cars with 20w50. As a matter of fact, if you run inter states, 20w50 is better cos of the high rev, high operating temperature and long distance.


The down side of 20w50 is in low fuel economy which may be put as 5 to 13% loss

timenamoney:
my brother may God bless you for understanding this simple chart diagram you presented

your mama school fee no lost at all

make una leave wetin them write for motor enter motor jor

the worse be say ,them say e too thick e go condem your engine , chai where oyebo write that kind thing foro manual , except u use thick one for Cold weather, na raining season we get for 9ja na +20 lowest

where we should concentrate our enlightenment is ,
1) making sure engine and oil reach operating Temp by using themostat( or without themostat but don't allow your fan to blow continuesly, by disconnecting the factory, so fan work with coolant temperature sensor settings, so that oil can reach operating Temp on the long run to remove moisture ect )

2) API rating sj , sl , sm , sn etc

3) oil change intervals ( 3k mile for minerals oils , 5k for SEMI SYNTHETIC , 7k for synthetic ) which 80% of mechanics and Nigerian owners don't know really excit , including my mechanic ,he dont even know what OBD or check engine means

4) checking oil level always

remember time na money

timenamoney:
1) look closely the chart you posted is not in degree Celsius °C , it is in degrees Fahrenheit °F ,100 °F degrees Fahrenheit is equivalent to +38 °c degree Celsius simple , check other charts in this trend with Celsius and Fahrenheit to compare ,and post it for me my phone has issues to upload pictures

2) most of them don't believe in God, they mostly believe in science and science says use your car manufacturer oil chart ,and the chart say 20w lowest range is -7 and 9ja has +22 minimum temp , u see the distance , the reasons for lower viscosity oil is because 90% of engine wear is at startup , infact we don't have cold start in 9ja

3)you may use sj 5w30 at +38 degree or lower not higher temp , using 5w30 at +45 may work but will increase wear and tear in your engine , I didn't know if newer oils can withstand higher temp but sj 5w30 can not according to the chart

4) any comments?

can someone help me with Camry oil chart diagram

remember time na money

sooperrescue:
5w30 API Sl engine oil for Toyota ended for the model of 2007/8 and from there. they recommended 5w20 or 0w20. Honda has been using 5w20 longer before Toyota did. Our number one problem here is the use of substandard engine oils on our vehicles. Mineral oil does not cause sludge if regularly serviced but there are a lot of negative effects associated with the engine oil being used by ignoring the advice of the manufacturer. The outside temperature does not determine the type of oil a car should use but the oil is factored to the design of the engine. Until recently, all 20w50 oils were API Sl until Mobil introduced xhp API SN. Cepsa was being adulterated because it was an API SN and an 20w50. All cars being used in Nigeria will surely be destroyed by the manner of usage but the time of its destruction lies in the owner's negligence or ability to maintain it.

sooperrescue:
5w30 API Sl engine oil for Toyota ended for the model of 2007/8 and from there. they recommended 5w20 or 0w20. Honda has been using 5w20 longer before Toyota did. Our number one problem here is the use of substandard engine oils on our vehicles. Mineral oil does not cause sludge if regularly serviced but there are a lot of negative effects associated with the engine oil being used by ignoring the advice of the manufacturer. The outside temperature does not determine the type of oil a car should use but the oil is factored to the design of the engine. Until recently, all 20w50 oils were API Sl until Mobil introduced xhp API SN. Cepsa was being adulterated because it was an API SN and an 20w50. All cars being used in Nigeria will surely be destroyed by the manner of usage but the time of its destruction lies in the owner's negligence or ability to maintain it.

timenamoney:
I am here to learn and to share my thoughts and experience

many in this trend are saying our ambient +43 degree temps don't matter and have no effect on oil, that car with radiator regulates engine temperature and also help to bring the engine oil up to operating Temp 100 degree through the help of the themostat , asking if our weather is hotter than engine temperature 100degr

there's is also a clear statement by oil manufacturer saying in 5w30 , 5w is the low temperature weight while 30w is the oil weight in 100 degree , which is also the engine coolant temp range,

on different occasions during summer , you find out that oil temperature gauge move above 100 degree , (which you claim the oil get to 30w at operating Temp) to +44 ,+46 and above .

my question is....

1)what viscosity will 30w oil be in 106 degree engine oil temperature during summer ? ( = it will be lower than 30w VISCOSITY which will not lubricate the engine properly and course more wear and tear).

2) why does engine manufacturer display ambient temperature oil chart which shows that 30w arrows to +38 degree and BELOW , when they know that it is suitable for ALL temperature?

with the above ideology I wish to prove to you that 40w mostly or 50w oils may be the best choice for +44 or higher temperature and severe load condition, and will not harm our engine, (and 30w for state's with +38 and below temperature ) the only disadvantage is less fuel economy , but with synthetic, flow will be better.

pls guys what is your engine oil temperature gauge reading during hot summer

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