hensben:
The signing of VVD and Alison brought that X factor to Liverpool backline, this is why every football lovers rates him so high, including football organization and pundits. Now that there is stability it is safe to play anyone in his position and still get CS, but on the other hand they can still be whooped in his absent and also when he is present, it’s football so anything can happen

Two signings brought X factor...

hensben:
My point too, it’s too early for this. VVD is rated today because of that X factor he brought to liverpool defense and they won epl and ucl, individually, he was the uefa player of the year so the man is talented.

...but credit goes to one person.

Why?

The things you read on these pages. . Lampard slander from a Chelsea fan?! Make Angel Gabriel kuku blow trumpet.

Popi, abeg just dead this matter. E no make sense.

OVA200:
Different weakness for different area of the field;
You can't be a fullback and lack pace
You can't be DM and can't tackle
You can't be AM and can't create chance or score goals.

I'm not in support of him for fabregas slandering but trying to drag lampard is more wrong.

The thing is that when Ibime wants to criticise the weakness of a player that is not his favourite type of player, he crosses normal criticism and makes it look like the player is a complete dross like the bakayokos of this world. And the more you keep opposing him on that, he keeps bringing everything, even making some bogus claims just to prove that he is right with what he is saying. And when someone who does not know the player in question reads all of the slander, the person will imagine the player to be like the bakayokos of this world.

But if you want to know if there is anything good that can come out of that player, wait when he wants to criticise another player.

For example, if you want to know how good Fabregas is from Ibime, wait for when he starts his hazard campaign, that is when you will know how Fabregas dragged hazard's lazy, unproductive shakushaku ass to two Premier league successes.
Just wait for it one day.

timbros:


Two signings brought X factor...



...but credit goes to one person.

Why?

Maybe VVD’s signing was more felt because the other one is a goalkeeper.

The thing airmark sometimes fail to understand is that, Liverpool's excellent defensive record isn't just because of their defenders. Liverpool's press is often too difficult to by pass, thereby making it difficult for opponents to create reasonable chances to trouble the defence. That explains why Fabinho seamlessly slot into VVD's role, and bench warmer Matip looking like Vidic.

With that said, VVD is a great defender that benefits immensely from the Jurgen Klopp system. Don't give him too much credit than he deserves.

I still can't fathom how Mou gets into players psych to make them do things they never thought they could do, overstretching their limits.
Just look at Kane today, I don't know what he has told him and the guy is now looking like carrying the whole spurs attack on his head. He is now everywhere from defence to attack.
And that is where his problem always starts from.

When Kane gets tired of having to do that much work and carry those load that is when Mourinho will start talking about how Kane cannot live his life for his brothers and sisters. . Na there wahala go start.

swiz123:
The thing airmark sometimes fail to understand is that, Liverpool's excellent defensive record isn't just because of their defenders. Liverpool's press is often too difficult to by pass, thereby making it difficult for opponents to create reasonable chances to trouble the defence. That explains why Fabinho seamlessly slot into VVD's role, and bench warmer Matip looking like Vidic.

With that said, VVD is a great defender that benefits immensely from the Jurgen Klopp system. Don't give him too much credit than he deserves.

In your last paragraph you are right. Klopp is a genius.

Greatihex:
The thing is that when Ibime wants to criticise the weakness of a player that is not his favourite type of player, he crosses normal criticism and makes it look like the player is a complete dross like the bakayokos of this world. And the more you keep opposing him on that, he keeps bringing everything, even making some bogus claims just to prove that he is right with what he is saying. And when someone who does not know the player in question reads all of the slander, the person will imagine the player to be like the bakayokos of this world.

But if you want to know if there is anything good that can come out of that player, wait when he wants to criticise another player.

For example, if you want to know how good Fabregas is from Ibime, wait for when he starts his hazard campaign, that is when you will know how Fabregas dragged hazard's lazy, unproductive shakushaku ass to two Premier league successes.
Just wait for it one day.

How will Fabregas be responsible for the 2nd title as a benchwarmer? Don't get me wrong, he played a massive role in Mourinhos title from August to January until Spurs exposed him. After that he became a liability.

The problem here is people don't take responsibility or acknowledge when they have lost an argument. The same people who shouted that Fabregas must replace Matic during Conte's title winning season. Well, the next season Matic left and Fabregas led Chelsea to disgrace, but they still want to push him as some sort of legend. Fabregas has been a bench fodder since 29, and guess what Fabregas is a regular benchwarmer for Monaco now. Yet the same people who refuse to acknowledge I was right about Fabregas want to pick holes in what a decade long Chelsea legend like Lampard did or did not do at the age of 36 in 2014.

Same thing with Mikel. They refused to concede that Mikel found his level, and I was right once again. Mikel was on the bench since 25 years old, then dashed out to China at 29 where he relegated his team in Chinese league, then found his level in Championship and mid-table Turkish league where he was sacked. Instead of admitting they lost Mikel argument, they will be doing plenty shalaye.

We can tick off all the midfielders I argued voraciously against the same way. Ramires and Oscar became nonentities in China and chased from Brazil team the same way. If you go back to arguments I had about those two here, they said at the time Ibime is being too negative about these players.

Bakayoko proved an instant flop as I argued. Mata found his way to anonymity as a perennial bench fodder at Manure etc etc.

Take it to the bank that I was correct on all these arguments hands down, but instead of acknowledging, some people want to drag what a 34 or 36 year old Lampard did when the players they championed vociferously became useless in their twenties and found their level in backwater leagues or on the bench. I will always have problem with midfielders who destabilise Chelsea midfield to the point you will think it's personal, because I am passionate about midfield. Without a stable midfield, you have nothing.

Ibime:


Argue with the assist and goal stats and this video. Lampard is simply one of the best in that job, but also contributes to the midfield effectively and is never a luxury player.

Of course Lampard must be the reason to you why that Spanish woman wrapper Torres was useless. Lampard is living rent free in your head. What did Torres achieve after leaving Chelsea? Even Mata that made 25 assists and playing behind the striker could not help that useless Torres. It is always fools like you that blame Lampard (who was 34 and playing in DM) for Torres flopping. Those foolish arguments are not new on this thread. Even your God Fabregas could not help a useless Morata, I wonder why you didn't blame Fabregas for Morata flopping.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdarzdS1uF0


You must be stüpid if you think a Modric is being chased to gain midfield control from a Lampard. Thomas Muller job in Bayern is never to control midfield but to punch holes in opposition. Leave that to the Thiagos. If Bayern is to sign a Modric type of player today, it would be to replace a Thiago not to replace a Muller cos he simply can't.

Like I told you earlier,the video is underwhelming for someone who is used to diss other great midfielder. By the way,i can see you trying hard to shield your Lord lampard by making exception of Torres where as other great examples like shevchenko,kenzman,crespo are household names that flopped badly because of lampard adequate penetrating balls.

infact i can not forget my excitement when shevchenko netted 2goals for the first time in league match in a 4- 4 draw against aston villa at the bridge with ballack asked to fill the void created by lampard which further solidified our argument about lampard's i ncompetency to bring out the best in some of this our big name signings.

You claimed conte benched fabregas but still except the benched fabregas to assist morata

Lastly,die that argument that lampard isn't meant to control and dictate play where as fabregas who has always been supported from time to time by dm like Gilberto Silva,denilson,flamini,song,mikel,matic,kante,is supposed to throwing tackles up and down.

OVA200:
Different weakness for different area of the field;
You can't be a fullback and lack pace
You can't be DM and can't tackle
You can't be AM and can't create chance or score goals.

I'm not in support of him for fabregas slandering but trying to drag lampard is more wrong.

Was fabregas a DM that should be tackling ?

popizaino:




You claimed conte benched fabregas but still except the benched fabregas to assist morata

Lies once again. Conte benched Fabregas for our title winning season in 2016/17 while you idealist were making plenty noise that Fabregas must start. Morata was signed in 2017 and Matic was sold to Manure against Conte's advice. Fabregas came back in the first team when it was obvious Bakayoko can't cut it and started 25 games that season yet could not help Morata.

Lampard at 32 scored 27 goals and made 20 assists. Fabregas at 32 was being chased by Monaco fans to the point he is a regular benchwarmer at Monaco now. What is there to discuss. Go and celebrate your failures playing on the bench in farmers leagues, let us celebrate our successful players.

Ibime:


There is nothing not obvious about an escort midfielder like Fabregas or Mikel except to a clueless myopic pundit like you who only watches football for the long passes. That's why managers keep sending them to the bench year after year because they see obvious things you are too myopic to see.

The same mikel that covered for all the errors of your Lord lamprad on our way to Munich?

Abeg pls tell us who benched mikel?

Lampard was a CM like fabregas and whatever is not required of lampard is certainly not required from fabregas so keep that escort agenda to those who can't decide for themselves .

popizaino:



The same mikel that covered for all the errors of your Lord lamprad on our way to Munich?

Abeg pls tell us who benched mikel?

Lampard was a CM like fabregas and whatever is not required of lampard is certainly not required from fabregas so keep that escort agenda to those who can't decide for themselves .

Go and argue with Chinese relegation club fans, Middlesbrough and Turkish league where Mikel rightfully found his level. Mikel has been a bench fodder since December 2012.

You will never see me not praise Mikel for 2012 UCL. He was instrumental but only because Chelsea parked bus and there was no chasing for the snail to do. That is different from asking him to anchor an attacking team where he became a full time escort.

And let's not forget how Lampard robbed Xavi and set up that lovely pass for Ramires chip. Let's not forget the lovely pass Lampard dropped for Ramires on the left wing to set up Drogbas goal in the first leg. You cannot write the history of UCL 2012 without Lampard or Mikel

hensben:
Bousquet has never been world best in his position, he was a carry along player during Barca dominant days, he was just like Valdez in the team. Valdez’s usefulness was to pass from the back, he wasn’t great in terms of making saves which was supposed to be his primary role, same with Bousquet that can not defend as a defensive midfielder, he was just there to make short passes to either xavi or iniesta.

This is why I need gif


You will tell us maybe you metarmophosed into Valdes when he made forced a save from Didier drogba at the nou camp after error from Marquez and puyol.

timbros:
Popizaino just stop abeg. What I'm reading here is disgusting to say the least. Just stop biko

You are one of the few monikers I respect on this thread so don't disappoint me


Were was this energy when used donkey years to campaign against mikel and fabregas ?

e be like say if player never sabi run around like dog, Ibime no dey rate them

hensben:
Maybe VVD’s signing was more felt because the other one is a goalkeeper.

How can you say this?

Real Madrid 3-1 Liverpool.

Liverpool 2-0 Tottenham.

Who was more felt?

swiz123:
The thing airmark sometimes fail to understand is that, Liverpool's excellent defensive record isn't just because of their defenders. Liverpool's press is often too difficult to by pass, thereby making it difficult for opponents to create reasonable chances to trouble the defence. That explains why Fabinho seamlessly slot into VVD's role, and bench warmer Matip looking like Vidic.

With that said, VVD is a great defender that benefits immensely from the Jurgen Klopp system. Don't give him too much credit than he deserves.

Pls go get your coaching license abeg.

You sabi abeg.

raumdeuter:
No VVD no problem yet some were telling us na VVD the provide leadership like Buhari

So who is providing leadership to Liverpool now

might do well to watch the game rather than relying on whoscored.
If u did u would have seen that klopp has tweaked the system, the high line has dropped a bit deeper...Fabinho and matip aren't quick neither are Philips or Williams so klopp has had to adjust the system.

popizaino:



You are one of the few monikers I respect on this thread so don't disappoint me


Were was this energy when used donkey years to campaign against mikel and fabregas ?

Just few pages ago, I made it clear that I'm a Chelsea fan. I don't pick players in the team to support. I love the club and I support everything in it.

Having said that, there are players you just cannot, I mean, CANNOT call a fraud in Chelsea. Lampard is one of those players.

Gun on my head, if I were to choose one player out of Fabregas, Lampard and Mikel, I won't even think twice before choosing.

No Chelsea fan will EVER attack Lampard the way you are doing.

Just die the matter.

My best XI so far this season


GK Mendy

RB James CB Zouma CB Mings LB Chilwell


CM Tielemans


RAM Salah AM Fernandes LAM Son


CF Calvert-Lewin SS Kane

popizaino:



You are one of the few monikers I respect on this thread so don't disappoint me


Were was this energy when used donkey years to campaign against mikel and fabregas ?

When you are wrong, just admit you were wrong instead of doing stronghead. So after the campaign, did Mikel go on to play for Madrid, Barca, Inter, Juventus, even Lazio or Fiorentina? No, he got sent to bench, then got dashed for free to Chinese team who he relegated and then bounced around lower level of Championship and Turkish leagues.

Fabregas also got sent to bench, then to farmers league where he led them to relegation struggle, then fans chased him and now is on the bench at Monaco.

So once again, history shows they were not Chelsea standard, my campaign was correct and well-intentioned for the good of my club, and you are just making noise having lost your arguments woefully as evidenced by their careers since my campaign.

swiz123:
The thing airmark sometimes fail to understand is that, Liverpool's excellent defensive record isn't just because of their defenders. Liverpool's press is often too difficult to by pass, thereby making it difficult for opponents to create reasonable chances to trouble the defence. That explains why Fabinho seamlessly slot into VVD's role, and bench warmer Matip looking like Vidic.

With that said, VVD is a great defender that benefits immensely from the Jurgen Klopp system. Don't give him too much credit than he deserves.

Good analysis.

You see that your second paragraph? Na there the koko finish.

But what I find amusing is, if VVD is praised so much like this for being "a system player", why is Busquet, Jorginho and others who benefitted from "systems" maligned so much? Double standards if you ask me.

BlueAngel444:
My best XI so far this season


GK Mendy

RB James CB Zouma CB Mings LB Chilwell


CM Tielemans


RAM Salah AM Fernandes LAM Son


CF Calvert-Lewin SS Kane

After just 9 matches? Guy calm down first. Mane is not even in that your lineup.

kendrick9:
might do well to watch the game rather than relying on whoscored.
If u did u would have seen that klopp has tweaked the system, the high line has dropped a bit deeper...Fabinho and matip aren't quick neither are Philips or Williams so klopp has had to adjust the system.

Another "system" excuse.

Double standards.

Ibime:


How will Fabregas be responsible for the 2nd title as a benchwarmer? Don't get me wrong, he played a massive role in Mourinhos title from August to January until Spurs exposed him. After that he became a liability.

The problem here is people don't take responsibility or acknowledge when they have lost an argument. The same people who shouted that Fabregas must replace Matic during Conte's title winning season. Well, the next season Matic left and Fabregas led Chelsea to disgrace, but they still want to push him as some sort of legend. Fabregas has been a bench fodder since 29, and guess what Fabregas is a regular benchwarmer for Monaco now. Yet the same people who refuse to acknowledge I was right about Fabregas want to pick holes in what a decade long Chelsea legend like Lampard did or did not do at the age of 36 in 2014.

Same thing with Mikel. They refused to concede that Mikel found his level, and I was right once again. Mikel was on the bench since 25 years old, then dashed out to China at 28 where he relegated his team in Chinese league, then found his level in Championship and mid-table Turkish league where he was sacked. Instead of admitting they lost Mikel argument, they will be doing plenty shalaye.

We can tick off all the midfielders I argued voraciously against the same way. Ramires and Oscar became nonentities in China and chased from Brazil team the same way. If you go back to arguments I had about those two here, they said at the time Ibime is being too negative about these players.

Bakayoko proved an instant flop as I argued. Mata found his way to anonymity as a perennial bench fodder at Manure etc etc.

Take it to the bank that I was correct on all these arguments hands down, but instead of acknowledging, some people want to drag what a 34 or 36 year old Lampard did when the players they championed vociferously became useless in their twenties and found their level in backwater leagues or on the bench. I will always have problem with midfielders who destabilise Chelsea midfield to the point you will think it's personal, because I am passionate about midfield. Without a stable midfield, you have nothing.

How well did the same matic help man United to league wins ?


Your fabregas and mikel slander agenda won't work with me.

Was matic the only one that left ?Didn't costa leave too leaving us to with a huge void in attack?

We can go back and check average possesion stats and chances created and see well through your lies.


And so, were we sitting behind against Napoli on our way to Munich?

timbros:


After just 9 matches? Guy calm down first. Mane is not even in that your lineup.

That is why the post said so far

Why be say una no just like dey calm down read before una attack.

Popizaino you are a barca fan abi?

popizaino:



How well did the same matic help man United to league wins ?

Matic helped Manure to second place that season and nearly made PFA team of the year, just missing out to Fernandinho while Fabregas led Chelsea to disgrace having failed to help Morata (using your useless argument that Lampard is responsible for Torres flopping)

Now you are coming down to Fabregas real level - comparison with Matic who he could not effectively replace. Forget Lampard. Eventually, you will come all the way down to one Guinean or Senegalese midfielder who is currently benching him at Monaco.

timbros:


How can you say this?

Real Madrid 3-1 Liverpool.

Liverpool 2-0 Tottenham.

Who was more felt?

Is it two games they use in knowing a quality player or consistency. Or will you now say Mario Gotze is the best German striker since he scored a wc final goal.

Ibime:



When you are wrong, just admit you were wrong instead of doing stronghead. So after the campaign, did Mikel go on to play for Madrid, Barca, Inter, Juventus, even Lazio or Fiorentina? No, he got sent to bench, then got dashed for free to Chinese team who he relegated and then bounced around lower level of Championship and Turkish leagues.

Fabregas also got sent to bench, then to farmers league where he led them to relegation struggle, then fans chased him and now is on the bench at Monaco.

So once again, history shows they were not Chelsea standard, my campaign was correct and well-intentioned for the good of my club, and you are just making noise having lost your arguments woefully as evidenced by their careers since my campaign.

Pls tell me what is mikel supposed to play for again after winning it all at Chelsea and reaching his twilight years in football ?

Factor in African football age.....

Fabregas leaving for monaco club doesn't prove shit. ......maybe Raul leaving for schalke meant he wasn't Madrid standard after all.

popizaino:


This is why I need gif


You will tell us maybe you metarmophosed into Valdes when he made forced a save from Didier drogba at the nou camp after error from Marquez and puyol.

So you know a good player with one off game. How about cheap goals he let in on several occasions even when he rarely make saves due to his team always with the ball then.