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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa123456: 5:19pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Jesus... Na me call mod..na me dem ban
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa123456: 5:21pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Newton85:Wise One... What is the answer to the bolded below Etinosa12345: |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:23pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny: Would you shut up before i stone you from here Shut up your mouth i will tell you 100 reason why sokoto was not an empire nonsense You see that book, i snapped they detailed sokoto caliphate carefully Nor go talk wetin u nor go fit defend oo Schloars dey here
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 5:29pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Balogunodua: care to elaborate? |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:35pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
PORNeIlusHUBson: Oyo wasn't an empire
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:38pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny2: And i proved you wrong |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:41pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
TAO11: If you see gregboy you will wee on yoyr pant Stop telling lies, is not everything you tell lies ke and gregboy hits you thesame doesn't mean we are same person |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:45pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Balogunodua: Can you imagine the nonsense he spills from his hands |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:54pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Etinosa12345: See if youre attacking yoruba stick to old records 1800 below, if you stick to anything above 1900 You kill yourself na that century na them rewrite their history finsh Stick to old text and maintain your stance, and anything they are bringing from benin must be old text too For now go and read the history of the yorubas by Samuel johson keep usinf samuoe johson account to hammer them they will run |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:55pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Etinosa12345: Pm me bro |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 5:58pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Newton85: You talj nonsense Cho cho cho close your mouth, where were you when gregyboy proved all tgis idol and the title oba to be from binis Dint draw us back oks |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 6:00pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 6:00pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Edeyoung: 6:05pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Announcement to everyone gregyboy would be unbanned tomorrow for the unjust banned he was giving by a yoruba coward mods 600yrs for all the yoruba mods TAO11 TAO12 Balogunodua Newton gomojam Yoruba right. Now
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 6:07pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny3: Now you see the deceit in your picture without a date? By 1880 Oyo empire was declining or has declined. so it shouldn't be in that map at all. What remained of it was Ibadan, which was trying to replicate its hegemony, and Ibadan didn't rule that region in the map you are sharing. At it's height (1625) the reached the borders of present day Ghana (see the picture below). Stride & Ifeka 1971, p. 293. 1 Like
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 6:07pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Edeyoung: I'm sorry but what I just read is not an argument against the Sokoto Caliphate being an empire, which it undoubtedly was. In fact the system of administration has some similarities to that of the House of Osman during the same time period. |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 6:08pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Edeyoung: If not for the British, the entire south west of Nigeria would have been part of the Caliphate, that's a fact. |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 6:15pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
ABULARdotCOM: nothing I have said is controversial, Oyo never reached Ghana through conquest that is just an outright lie... even the map shows it only goes as far as the Benin Republic, maybe Togo... but certainly not Ghana. The region was still a Yoruba region controlled by smaller Yoruba kingdoms regardless. A kingdom in decline is still a kingdom indeed, Britain started to decline after WW1, yet the empire grew larger post WW2... decline does not mean complete collapse. |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 6:20pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny3: The same Sokoto calipate that ran when they saw standing cameras for the first time and thought they were machine guns? You don't know how backward they were becoming without contact with the west through the sea. The northern empires were able to grow in the olden days because of its connection to the Arab civilization, but immediately the Arabs were declining, they were even declining faster! There empires look large on the map because most of those regions they covered were desert regions. No one wanted to live there hence there easy claim to it. A good example of country that they large on paper but only have little people occupying them are Russia, Canada and Niger republic. Most of the so called land mass has no inhabitants, so no one to contest their claim to them. |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 6:39pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
ABULARdotCOM: The Nomadic tribes of the north would have conquered the west eventually, the only reason they stopped at Ibadan was because of the terrain, it wasn't good for cavalry. but they would have overcome it eventually... I don't think you realise the swift devastation of nomadic tribes. Canada is part of The British Empire (even if it doesn't officially say so) Russia, along with eastern Europe and most of Asia was conquered by the Mongols who were nomadic very much like the Fulani's. The Fulani are the Mongols of Africa, they have established countless kingdoms from Senegal to Sudan. The first map is the Sahel steppe a vast lowland savanna arid grassland which the Fulani have primarily inhabited since at least 900AD, this is why they are present in most west African nations today. The second map is the Eurasian steppe, which numerous nomadic peoples have inhabited for centuries from the Scythians, Huns, Tuvans to the Mongols etc...
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Ideadoctor(m): 6:41pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etrusen(m): 6:44pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Ideadoctor(m): 6:48pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Benin kings can never be compared with Yoruba kings, Yoruba are the source of Benin royalty, which makes Yoruba kingship to be automatically superior, I hate it when arrogant Edo folks try to turns things upside down, without Yoruba civilization where would they be today?, Their royalty, arts and crafts and pantheon is from the great Yoruba civilization 1 Like |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 6:53pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny3: And after Togo is what what country? Please stop arguing blindly. Oyo empire fought the Ashanti kingdom in defense of its tributary. I I never said it reached the borders of Ghana through conquest, but through influence! Those tributaries (the Ga group of people and Dahomey ) relied on Oyo for protection and they paid in return (Thornton, John K. (1999). Warfare in Atlantic Africa 1500-1800. London and New York: Routledge. ISBN 1-85728-393-7., p. 79.) . Same with some Northern Nigeria kindoms like the Borgu kingdom. Now please share a reputable source for your so called Aro confederacy. And please don't quote some Igbo historian. Thank you in advance. 1 Like |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etinosa123456: 6:53pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
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Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etrusen(m): 7:07pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Edeyoung: look my brother the Yoruba people are using 1900 composed story after the fall of Benin to hunt Benin and it is very bad for me seeing it in regard to knowing Benin history, it has been my focus almost all my life but I have told greyboy many times that arguing online is a bigger problem for me. My brother Tao11 is capitalising on the struggle Benin faced after 1897 whereby the oba of Benin( eweka11 and akenzua 11) subjected himself into a lot of things in order to retain the throne ( first the British and then the western region politics that saw awolowo changing things against the Benin kingdom) my bro can I DM you later? have been busy since the little I have now is what am using now . I mean later or maybe tomorrow so that we can talk. |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Abovebonny3: 7:07pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
ABULARdotCOM: Now that you have specified influence your statement makes more sense, don't just talk actually make sense when you do so. The sources are mainly from Igbo historians because guess what... Aro-chukwu is Igbo, you don't expect someone else to write our history for us. The following links are form reputable publishers. Here are some sources: https://www.britannica.com/place/Arochukwu [/b]Nwauwa, A. O. "Integrating Arochukwu into the Regional Chronological Structure." History in Africa 18 (1991): 297-310. Accessed December 7, 2020. doi:10.2307/3172068.[b] [/b]Nwauwa, Apollos O. "The Evolution of the Aro Confederacy in Southeastern Nigeria, 1690-1720. A Theoretical Synthesis of State Formation Process in Africa." Anthropos 90, no. 4/6 (1995): 353-64. Accessed December 7, 2020. http://www.jstor.org/stable/40463184.[b] [/b]The Slave Trade and Culture in the Bight of Biafra: An African Society in the Atlantic World G. Ugo Nwokeji[b] 1 Like |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etrusen(m): 7:10pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Ideadoctor: men say what you know |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 7:13pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny3: Settlements that they are minorities in! Now you want to compare them to Mongols who have their own country and can boost of influences in Asia and Eastern Europe. Anyway, it is your opinion and you are free to have yours. Was it not the same Fulani that Yoruba pushed out of their land? I said they didn't have access to the lastest weapons that Yoruba people had, having cavaries with dane guns can not be compared to people who were importing cannons from the west. Why didn't they attack Yoruba people during the civil war, when Yorubas were most vulnerable? Anyway, you are free to dream up anything you like here also, but the fact remains that they were pushed out of Yoruba land at Oshogbo and not Ibadan. And they never dreamt of coming down south again. You know why? 1 Like |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Etrusen(m): 7:18pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
[quote author=Etinosa123456 post=96831897][/quote] that guy is talking about a tribe that was more of victim of history than creator of history Yoruba's that was no where to be found until 1900 their cooked stories is what they are standing on. 2 Likes |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by ABULARdotCOM: 7:19pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
Abovebonny3: Then I think you are fabricating history here. You can't be the same person drumming and also dancing to your beat. Only the opinion of outsiders would hold water here. Is this assertion also backed up by Ijaw historians, at the least? 1 Like |
Re: Benin Remain The Center Of West Africa Civilization by Ideadoctor(m): 7:24pm On Dec 07, 2020 |
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