@Nakash:

by nakash: 4:53pm On Oct 15
A man to islam should never be disobeyed in the house, should never be denied any demand he places on his wife. A muslima women is conditioned from birth to obey the husband without any hesitation. A muslim woman married to a non muslim might be asked to leave her religion. Islam cannot have their numbers reduce out of any situation like this. So what does a male supremacist solve this? Ban non muslims from marrying muslim wives! Bingo. Allahu Akbar! Islam is a male supremacist man made religion and reading the big 3 apologists justify that can be real depressing.

the muslim wife being able to initiate divorce throws your "mulsim man must be obeyed" idea through the window. incidentally, gender conditioning is what makes women obedient in the general population if you know anything about husband and wife. why should anyone force another to a new religion? husbands who force their wives to their religion is probably part of the reason islam is against women marrying outside Islam [Allah Knows Best]. which group wants his membership dwindled down? how is Islam man made, when there is no place in the Bibles that God says "the religion of man" is Judaism, Christianity and from other Eastern religions, their books did not claim that their religion should be what the claim. But in the Quran, Allah says "Religion of Allah on man is Islaam".



@Italo:

by italo: 6:47pm On Oct 15
Muslims say Jesus is only a prophet. The Quran encourages muslims to believe in the Bible. In the Bible, Jesus says he is much more than a mere prophet. So who is lying? Mohammed or Jesus.

Quran does not say Muslim should believe in the Bible. There are many types of Bibles and no singe one of the that Allah says we should believe in as you claim. Original Taurah of Moses when he was alive, original Injil of Jeus son of Mary when he was alive, muslims believe in those, but your Bibles. What Jesus said you people have corrupted it. You have turned him to greek, english, etc speaker, telling story about him in your gospel according to . . . . instead of letting him preach the gospel he was sent with which should be simply Gospel [given to Jesus son of Mary [as]].

by Logicboy03(m): 1:09pm On Oct 15
I dont believe in any religion be it Judaism, Christianity or islam!!!!

so live and let others live in the want to protect their women from unsavory eyes and vultures plying the tube transportation system.

There is no atheist agenda. Atheism is not a religion.

Written by a Christian woman but something every Muslim should take note of. You don't have to agree but I'm just saying. Note that George Carlan, who is referenced in the article and takes the same position as this lady, is an avowed atheist. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32704.htm

Crap. Why dont you allow the mushrikun to honour you? wink wink wink

the question is do you not agree that you are british when a white english says you are? you are a first class hypocrite. You will never be white in a trillion years and the people in hyde park debating will say you are never an englishman.

Crap. Why dont you allow the mushrikun to honour you? wink wink wink

the biggest hypocrite comes from south south of nigeria, he will accept being called igbo, when south south south used to be part of eastern region and was part of the biafra. yet he is happy to be called a brit by his white english friend.

All human beings came from a group of at least 10,000 people due to the variation amongs humans. We didnt come from 2 people, especially Jewish people in the middle east when the fact is that we humans came from Africa.

a statement that lacks evidence is not going to taken as proof. while you say 10,000 humans suddenly appeared or formed in africa as the beginning of "human race", how came out first among them and who made fisrt among them [names please]. my first human is a male called Adam [as]. Then a female of same kind named Eve. They were able to mate and produced human children which in turn produced human babies. the process is a funnel like phenom or reverse pyramid.

Atheists have the lowest divorce rates. Sorry for you muslims and your fake claims of marriage fidelity. Surah 4 doesnt work

http://atheism.about.com/od/atheistfamiliesmarriage/a/AtheistsDivorce.htm

when you dont marry you will definitely have the lowest rate.

@Reyginus:

by Reyginus(m): 2:00pm On Oct 15
Sweetneckta, I want you to exit this thread.

have you been drinking again, reyginus?

^You are not the boss of me.

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 9:37pm On Oct 15
That Mohammed did not know what will be done with him (Qur'an 46:9) was told him by Gabriel to tell the people.

Alhadulillah that there is no place in the verse or the Quran that says he and his followers [the muslims under Muhammad [sa]] will be punished and or go to hell fire for not following anyone else, for not worshiping God in Trinity, for following Muhammad [sa], for accepting the Quran, for saying that the present OT of the ews and NT of the christians are corrupted while believing for themselves that God revealed the Taurah originally to Moses [as] and Injil to Jesus son of Mary [as].

Allah says in surah azhab verse 1: Oh Prophet [sa] have conscious/piety/fear of God. Shall we say by reading this that Muhammad [sa] the messenger who didn't hide this statement or considered it as chastising him does not have consciousness, piety and or fear of God? Heck. He is the most pious, most conscious and the person that most fear God. The knowledge from this type of verses is that no one in the community should be proud that their deeds and belief will take them to Paradise except that the Mercy of God is over all that man have sent forward in good deeds and sincere faith. To be sincerely faithful in God includes not being self assured, but to in spite of all have hope in God and be humble that all all decisions is with God. I can give you verses where God says Muhammad [sa] is the best examples to be followed, the Messengers of God that previous prophets would have to support if he has arrived on earth while they themselves were on earth [to mean none of them before him knew when he would arrive [maybe the reason Jesus promised the another comforter [human not yet born is a spirit, being an existence in spiritual realm] to his disciples with vivid description of duties], Muhammad the messenger to all mankind, kind and merciful to believers. But the greatest set of verses that should wipe out your concern is that God said that Islam is the religion God chose for mankind and no other way of faith of worship is acceptable and finally said He has completed the religion of Islam upon the prophetic office of Muhammad [sa]. I do not see how Muhammad [sa] will therefore not be the first of the successful with all the verses of paradise in the Quran, only a naive soul will think the Islamic paradise is meant for others but Muslims.

It was not Mohammed himself who decided to make the statement. So it is not a case of Mohammed being humble and not wanting puff up. By implication, Gabriel was telling Mohammed and his followers that their salvation is not guaranteed.

Is Gabriel [as] in control of Muhammad [sa] or Allah is in control of both of them and all of us? This very verse and many which you may use to steer people from truth are in themselves indicators of the truthfulness of Muhammad [sa]. If Muhammad [sa] was the author and not the final mouth piece, would it at been normal for anyone to criticize himself when what he is critiquing himself openly about no one sees it?

Now about Gabriel: Allah sends Gabriel as messenger. Proof that Authority lies with Allah 100% is Giabrel saying: And we [Him as the Ruuh qudus and any angel including angel of death [malaika maut]] do not come except by "PERMISSION" of God.

That the followers were assured of paradise was a contradiction. How could Gabriel tell Mohammed and his followers at one time that they did not know what will be done to them and later assured them of paradise again? This gives more room to suspect the sincerity of this Gabriel.

I am the owner of a company and from the manual of employment, everyone knows what to expect based on their responsibility, etc. At the end of the fiscal year I gave a bonus as expected. The following year, I told the general manager to encourage the best division but to tell the division manager to tell everyone that he himself will not know what I will do at the end of the year regarding bonus. Does this mean that I will not give them bonuses if they work as hard as expected and even we make less profit, in the face of global recession or huge profit or same as last year if there was no national recession? The condition of the future is with the one that has authority over it, including even we take this to the family unit. Whether the daughter goes to UI or American University depends on how father by his financial willingness is. Allah has forbidden for Himself injustice, so it is a means for all of the believers to realize that the Grace of Allah is The Answer for Success.

How are you so sure Gabriel was not satan?

The same Gabriel brought verses about cursing satan. Does it make sense for satan to bring about verse to curse satan? Do you know how many times a muslim says curse to satan the accursed everyday with 1.5 B muslims on earth? If the make no extra prayers, it will at least 12 or more times in salah. If they yawn, wants to enter the bathroom, wants to read the Quran, if they are avoiding temptation; in each case they curse satan. It is an empty attempt from you to say Muslims have anything to do with satan the accursed. Satan gets the ones who think they have him beat. We in Islam seek Protection of God against satan because of our "own power [it will be arrogant for man to think he has power, Jesus son of Mary, a man approved by God sure didnt have power of his own to do anything]" can overcome satan.

Mohammed was an illeterate man who could not read or write and Gabriel was aware of that fact. Why should he press him so hard to read the Quran to the extent Mohammed could not bear it? What I know for sure is that God would not command anybody to do what he is incapable of doing and punish him for his inability to do it.

I hope that you will remember the bold when we talk about what comes below. Was Muhammad [sa] punished? Was Moses punished by being made to appear before his greatest nemesis, pharaoh? Moses that could not speak was made an orator before pharaoh and his court, including the magician, later in leading the children of Israel for almost all of the 40 years in the "wilderness". Was Jesus son of Mary punished by God or the holy ghost who was sent to support him as he was made to appear before the roman leader?

It is also against natural justice to force somebody to do what he is incapable of doing and punish him for something that is not his fault.

I was going to use the bold in the previous, but when I saw what Allah has done by forcing your mind and finger to type the bold here, i just need to ask you what do you think was the condition of Jesus regarding the sins others committed, either "the original sin" and or the "sin[s] of individuals"? Pay attention to the bold here. Did Yahweh punish Jesus for something that is not his fault, which is the sin of Adam and Eve and or the sins of individual Jews, Christians, never mind about the muslmis because we will stick with Mercy from Allah, Alone in the way of Muhammad [sa]?

Besides, how many angel Gabriel do we have? If it is only one, he must be inconsistent and not trustworthy. Because he came to virgin Mary and told her the child she would bear would be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).

We have 1 Angel Gabriel and he was not inconsistent because you will have no proof from old testament in your Bibles which you can transfer to new testament to say that Jews whom Jesus was sent, never mind the believers among mankind [Adam [as] and his mate Eve, Enoch, etc, Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, etc, Moses, Aaron, Joshua, etc, etc Zachariah, his son John and even Jesus [as] say that God has an exclusive son. Jesus himself says he is son of man, his mother is fro mankind who had parents, etc. Jesus is referred as a "man" approved by God. Jesus of the "cross" says "My God, my God. . ." which gives us complete confirmation that he didnt mean to say my father. The Name of the God of Jesus is Ellah from the lips of Jesus. Not I AM, Yahweh, Jehovah, but Ellah accented Allah of Arabiya.

If you say you find in the Bibles Jesus is written as son of God, i will simply tell you for a fact that God is not a man to have a man child. God is not replaceable to have what will replace Him. And if you talk about Emmanuel, you are well aware that Jesus was never called that, and Gabriel, Ishmael and Israel each being called by his name with El clearly does not mean and none claim to be God, or God son or partner.

After more than 650 years later, he came and told Mohammed that Allah does not have a son.

No prophet before Jesus, including John his contemporary and cousin was told that God has an exclusive son. The same Gabriel came to each and delivered God is 1 and He is not like anything you can completely describe. He is complete and there is no "literal" child coming from Him. He does not need to be a "literal" father to a "begotten" literal or otherwise son. I guess the sincerity of the scripture writers must have changed between OT and NT.

The first Gabriel must be different from the second as their messages were not the same.

From the OT we read a Gabriel. Then in NT we see an emerged another Gabriel that they said spoke about son of God, literally. I think the writers are giving us 2 Gabriels. But now that there is an adulteration somewhere and we can clearly see it from the so called "word" inspired, wherein the opinions of "Paul" is not opinion but still "God inspired" This verse: Oh Israel, your God is my God and He is One Lord. That's what Jesus said. I agree with this verse because it shows that there is 1 Gabriel and whatever says God has a son is slip of the pen of man. God can not now father a human being when He does not father the angels who are more superior than man; the angels do not eat, nor fatigue needing to refresh. God gives them Power and Ability to fulfill their duties to Him, even descending from heavens in an instant, faster than an eye blink. Humans produce humans. God creates humans.

This is not to start argument on whether or not Jesus is a Son of God but to prove that there are two Gabriel.

There were not two Gabriels, except that the writer of the NT on this matter invented a verse and say it is from God. Why would God need a human son, if I may ask you? I want you to think about it for a long time to arrive at the completely spiritually logical conclusion. There is God. Does He have to have a son at the middle of mankind time on earth? If there was a need to sacrifice somebody so much as a son for the sins of Adam [as] and his mate for eating a fruit and forbidden that fruits for him and his wife or even 2 different kinds of fruits or even fruits in general, even to the children who didnt "commit" this sin, and or the individual sins of man than the sacrifice will be washing away, the logical thing that could happen is to either have that sacrifice along at the time of the sins of Adam and his wife or at the end of the last sin to be committed by the last man or one sacrifice at time of Adam and another at the time of the last man. Anything in the middle makes no lick of sense. And it is the middle you guys proposed wherein a man was dragged by his people he was sent. Remember he was sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Neither you nor I is from the house of Israel or its lost sheep.

There was a warning several years before the birth of Mohammed that if anybody or an angel come to preach any other gospel apart from the gospel of Christ, such person or angel should be cursed (Galatians 1:6-9). This warning and Mohammed's unjust coersion by the second Gabriel and his another gospel are enough to suspect the sender of this second Gabriel.

Who warned people and what authority does he have to warn? Was God the One Who warned or was it the Prophet of God that made this warning? Gospel of Jesus is about Jesus or what Jesus brought from God? Could you show me the Gospel of Jesus, anywhere and while you at it show me what the Another Comforter heard from God that he spoke to the disciples of Jesus, the same Jesus who was to comeback before all the 12 disciples perished? You are still expecting Jesus to come back for the first time since 2,000 years, or has he returned and you are expecting him to come again when he only promised he will return just once, towards the end?


Quran, am sorry to disappoint you is not "Gospel".

@Truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 8:59am
Why do you people think Mohammed is so great and yet he lacked confidence in himself.

Qur'an 46:9- Say: I am no new thing among the messengers (of Allah), nor know I what will be done with me or with you. I do but follow that which is inspired in me, I am but a plain warner.

the operative word there is "SAY". For example, God told Moses to "SAY" to Pharaoh that he should let the "Children of Israel go". Moses on his own as s fugitive from past years could not walk in to the presence of a king that is still after his life to make such a huge demand. In the Bibles, regardless of your believing Jesus to be God, God Himself told Jesus and all prophets before him among the children of Israel that they must say "God is One and He Lords over Israel". Well the roman ruler of Israel is known by pagans to be lording over the territory of Israel. But the believers in Israel, Jesus being number 1 of them knows that Yahweh/Ellah is the Lord over Israel and if these believers were instructed to say this to the face of the roman, do you think they will not say it? You people say that the disciples were threatened to be fed to animals if the renounce faith. They continued to stand firm. The case of Muhammad [sa] as to the verse you posted is similar. He had to repeat what he was told. If Allah did not let the community see that in spite of his position among them that he was still a human being, some Muslims might have directed worship at him, just the same way you christians deirect worship at Jesus son of Mary instead of God Who created him and his mother and chose him as a prophet to his people.

Just the same way Muhammad [sa] didnt know the future, it is exactly the same way Jesus and all those who had prophetic offices before him did not know the future.

All the versions or translations of the Qur'an say exactly this. How can you proudly say a man whose fate is unknown is so great?

When Paradise is promised to believers, i do hope that you will not say that the Muslim Paradise belongs to other people but Muslims and their last chairman, Muhammad [sa]? Quran is revealed to Muhammad [sa] and where Paradise is mentioned Muhammad [sa] is the head of those who are being spoken of as the inheritors. Where hell is mentioned, I can assure you that satan is the head of the inmates. As much as we curse satan, there is no way that the destination of the head of believers will not be opposite where satan will end up.

Can't you people reason for once? Mohammed said ''he did not know what will be done with him and with you people (muslems). That means he did not have trust or confidence in ''what is inspired in him''. He had no absolute trust in the source of his revelation.

Just something to think about from the Bibles; "why have you left me to suffer?" will not be a statement of confidence of the questioner to the Questioned, will you not say? If you are married, and you left your wife in the hand of street punks who beat her to a coma, and she managed to make a phone call to you before she collapsed, asking you on the call "why did you abandon me", will you say she was happy with you and if you are in absolute authority to do something about her questioning you, will you not even punish her now, like divorce her or something greater than you had allowed the punks to do to her? It is obedience that God looks at. Humble obedience is better. Those who show humility in humble obedience to authority as not always given hard times. Muhammad [sa] humbly obeyed his Lord with great humility. we can not therefore say thats a sign of being condemned. Allah told him [sa] to enter Makka in complete humble humility in victory. And thats what he did instead of beating his chest or with song and dance.

He was following Gabriel's revelation or inspiration out of compulsion otherwise he (Gabriel) would strangle him to death.

Death and who dies is the the exclusive decision of God, not Gabriel or any other creations. For example "God of Jacob" sent His Angel to Jacob and what we read was a fight/wrestle. The end result was that he dislocated his hip rendering him to become a limping man. Even satan did not throw Jesus off the cliff even though he was able to carry/get him to the edge. You see, even the "spirit" drove him and or John to the wilderness. Are these not bad things if the mere getting the attention of Muhammad [sa] by squeezing him is "bad" in your own mind?


It was Muhammad [sa] the honest who told people what happened to him. There was no shame in it. Imagine God that was hungry and had to kill a tree because there was nothing to eat on it? The bedouin woman who nurse Muhammad [sa] was blessed with milk in her already dried brea.sts. There was no hunger in her home from the moment she took in the blessed soul [sa].

On three occasions he (Gabriel) had almost killed him for failing 'to read'. He (Gabriel) pressed him so hard to the extent that he (Mohammed) could not bear it. He had no choice being a '' forced prophet'' and you say such a man is great?

Moses was forced to be a prophet by Yahweh, so much so that his brother was made to assist him. I am using your Bibles. Jesus was forced to die for you because he begged for the cup to be "taken" off his head. No one will volunteer for the office of prophet-hood considering the hardship that Moses, John son of Zachariah, Jesus son of Mary, Noah, etc and definitely Muhammad [sa] went through. Muhammad [sa] says "whosoever lobbies for a post/position/an office, do not give it to him" [what it means].

God will deliver you from spiritual blindness and ignorance.

Amin. I make the same prayer for you. You may say Amin if you want or you may say no amin if you believe that you are set and you need no favor of God in matters of spirituality and steadfastness in getting to Paradise.

^^^ If Muhammad [sa] was "coerced" by a known spirit [Angel Gabriel is who we are calling spirit here and indeed he is a spirit, "holy spirit" from the Islamic/Quranic statement], is it a bad thing?

Muhammad [sa] after clarity that he was a prophet of God, he did not need to be surprised even at anything concerning anything that is supernatural and man's sight do not commonly see.

Its a position of Honor that even the "mercy" to creation that Allah made Muhammad [sa], Angel Gabriel [as] benefits from it because Allah called him ruuh aamin.

Pressing Muhammad [sa] may have expressed importance of the mission on Muhammad [sa] because he definitely remembered that incident. A named spirit is already defined, definitely known.

We know he was no evil spirit or satan. And satan according to the Bibles lived inside Peter, made Judas betray his leader, made the leader do many things, including on a cliff/edge of a mountain, showing him the whole world, etc.

Muhammad [sa] knew Gabriel by name and he knew he was not satan.


Of course Muhammad [sa] knows where he is heading on Judgment Day. He is not arrogant to be gloating about Favor of Allah on him, instead he is contrived, humbled and glorifies Allah even more. The Quran has any many places where believers following Muhammad [sa] will enter Paradise. If the leader is not assured, how is the follower assured, as Allah has assured the followers? Muhammad [sa] gave many of his companions the good news of them entering paradise, so how is he not sure where is is going to become of him on the day of Judgment, the same person giving the honor of intercession?

^ Just responding to the above, but my response is just a side road.

by Logicboy03(m): 5:59am
I am not a Jew and neother am I igbo.

neither are your an englishman, but will be happy to be called an englishman/brit in the company of white englishman in england and will not say "i am not englsih, bloke". heck, you want what you want because it is a fade that pays.

a non jew who concerns himself with jewish issue against even the victims of judaism or jewish polity [zionism] is either a hypocrite or does not know that people should be fair when making opinion about 2 opposing groups. how can anyone blame islam when judaism, christianity, even hinduism does the same thing? i dare say atheist who marries non atheist will at least project the agenda of atheism in the marriage wishing to discourage the wife or husband to lean or see goodness of athesim as in "free yourself of the burden of thinking what you dont see exists and you have to obey and worship "HIM"". neither jew nor igbo is a bad human good more the bad individual in any group.

It would be a lie for me to say that I am any of those things.

there is no lie in allowing somebody to honor you as a member of their "good ethnic group" [the way they see themselves]. some african, nigerians, even south south people who live in england will not deny it if a white englishman says the nigerian is british. how selective is our honesty, now? we will refuse to be called an igbo, a great group from our country, even that we are from the former eastern region. yet we will accept a poor englishman saying we are british just because we live in britain with passport that can be revoked at the drop of a penny.

You can lie and accept whatever people say about you.

since i believe that all humans are from Adam [as], i am where anyone wants me to come from. however of someone ask where are you from, i will say 9ja for show and i am original yoruba. thats honesty so that i do not sadden anyone who believes he is honoring me as a member of his group. but when i have to talk about myself, i will tell people where my parents were from and how i get to be here now.

lying that God does not exist is worse than me "lying" when i do not dispute anyone, allowing him to say i am from the ethnicity he is happy that he is from. i have catch more flies with honey than using the vinegar that is being suggested to me.

Please, keep talking as if muslims dont have divorce as well,. Infact, they have a high divorce rate in the usa, where you live
http://muslimtribune.org/news/alarming-divorce-rates-among-muslims-online-service-makes-it-worse

do they have the highest, though? for a no muslim to tell about the happenings in muslim community, a community i am part of is absurd. research means nothing as we see many times because the reality may be different from the opinion of the researcher. in the pat 30something years, the opinion is that muslims in america is 6 millions. how is it possible that there is no increase even though we have seen the waves of ethiopians, somalians and huge groups from west africain the 80s and the 90s, including people from asia, etc?

the issue is that muslim marriage is more stable among blacks because the underpinning is the consciousness of God that carries them along. the process of divorce is tedious and men who may just want to taste it and walk away cant do that because of the screening process. i will hope that those who have reason [Higher Authority] to stay together will persevere in marriage better than those whose interest is merely love because love do fade just like beauty.

is marrying a jewish husband if you are a woman showing that you are an ideal muslim woman? and happiness and love of today may be the sadness and hatred of tomorrow. people should not forget that marriage can end and love is not blind and no can guarantee that children will come as a result of any marriage.

rosen barr made tom arnold convert to judaism before marriage.
chelsea clinton convert to judaism before marrying her husband

why is anyone not asking the jews who will more likely make their future spouses convert and still see them in reality as goyim/goyum/gentile? at least in islam, when you become a muslim, you are no more a kufar.

i remembered saying logicboy is igbo and he immediately let me know that he is from south south. i have been called all kinda ethnic; igbo, hausa, sudani, and others until i open my mouth to speak yoruba. there was never a time i tell anyone that i am not from where they say i am from; i normally tell people that i believe i come from where ever you say i am from.


people see the "fault" in Islam where they are unable to see their own "FAULTS".

I am just responding to no one.

a) Women, equality and marriage.

How is it that a muslim man can marry my christian sisters but it is forbidden for a muslim woman to marry a non-muslim at all?

Muslim men can not marry atheist, hindu, etc but can marry chased christian and jewish women, of course his first choice for wife is the muslim woman. Allah gave command about muslim women not to be given in marriage to men who are not muslims. The Complete Wisdom of it is with God The Commander. As a person who is using his mind, I can just give opinion as a human being who is observing the usual relationship between husband and wife, we see that in matters that affects the wife the husband has a noticeable presence in the outcome. It is the husband who dominates all the affairs, being the head of the household. When it comes to religion, the presence of the man is well noted so much so that a christian woman who is married to a christian man may actually change her denomination or her specific church to the husband's, the christian says do not be unyoke with infidel/unbelievers. so how is islam different? people protect their group. Islam should not be different. And when Allah commands, we need to obey.

Allah created man to have greater presence simply by the genetic makeup over women. If a muslim wife is strong in her religion, her non muslim husband will have effect on her religion and she will have to be struggling even more than the normal struggle. Who wants to complicate his or her life? Why should a person who believe that God is 1 be under the person who says God is 3 person so much so that some jewish people killed one of the 3?

Doesnt this boil down to unfairness? "I can mary your women but you cant marry mine"!!

when did protection of the purity of the group members become "unfairness" if we consider that Darwin proposed the "survival of the fittest" as a way for a specie to continue to be relevant, exist instead of becoming extinct or the lunch of the stronger group? Mr. Darwin made the case for Islam on this proposition.

Furthermore, if a woman in a muslim society wants to marry a non-muslim, there is always backlash on the woman and the non-muslim man is forced to convert.

if the woman is not a muslim she can do what she wants. If the woman is a muslim she should be reminded of the ruling in the uran. If she has a good amount of Iman, she will accept the Rule of Allah. If she does not have any faith in Islam, she can do what she wants. Her family can do what they want as a group and dont care for her marriage. At least when the family let her know that she can not marry a non muslim man, then she should listen, and they have done their duties, warning her about the poison she is ingesting.

If the man fails to convert, the woman is usually disowned from her community/family.

no one should be made to convert if they dont want. you should not force anyone to become muslim. All you are required to do is let each know the truth of Islam.

The question here becomes how can muslim really belive that they are better than non-muslims as shown by their marriage laws?

does anyone think that Islam is inferior to a system, specifically on the matter of marriage? I will like to know any system that is better than Islam in this regard and the reason that anyone thinks so.


Islam is the only religion where almost everyone, male and female can be a spouse of somebody. It is the only religion that the assets of the woman is hers and not own jointly. Men are also protected, and the protection is superior to Prenuptial agreement that the best of people outside Islam sign with their spouse before marriage. Even a married woman who is divorced may not even leave the husband's house if she wants

Housing Divorced Women “When it comes to housing an ex-wife, Allah proclaims: “Let them live where you live, according to your means. Do not put pressure on them, so as to harass them. If they are pregnant, maintain them until they give birth…” (Quran 65: 6)

. A woman can initiate divorce {KHULA}.

Is it better for a terorist muslim to marry a muslim woman than a non-muslim to marry a muslim woman?

Allah forbids marrying a non muslim man for a muslim woman. What is from Allah is better over anything man can bring forward.

What of the rights of the woman, shouldnt she be able to marry a christian or a jew like the men?

does monkey have the right to mate with a lion?

Where is women's rights and equality in the Quran?

a woman keeps all her wealth. she can initiate divorce "Khula". She performs all obligations of faith that man performs and she may actually be more religious than the husband. Her not being the imam in the salah can be loosely viewed in the same role as you will view who carry the pregnancy of the offspring between the two spouses. Allah has assigned the role of husband differently from the role of the wife.

b) Cousin Marriage.

The prophet married his first cousin. Cousin marriages happen a lot in many muslim countries. How can this practice be allowed? .

the royal bloods of europe still practice it. And they are the best people of europe. I guess what is normal in Islam can only be appreciated and copied by the best in europe; their royal families. peasants and immigrants can never have the means to appreciate this.

Cousin marriage is open to abuse of children by grooming sixteen years old girls for marriage by their older male cousins. There is also the problem of genetic disorders and diseases resulting from marriage in the family.

and Allah has made the muslim marriages like this not bear such a fruit more than what the other types of marriages bear in what is listed as excuses to bash Islam. By the way people are allowed to marry wives and husbands from far away land[s].

Incestous relationships can produce children with defects

i guess the european blue bloods are incestuous.

@Seyibrown: you will have to agree with me that he was not a christian.

Definitely he was not a jew by religion because jews pray facing a wall in Jerusalem while muslims stand, bow and prostrate and sit in their prayers. But the way Jesus prayed all night while the guards were fast asleep is the same way muslims in your neighborhood pray while you are fast asleep all night.

a prophet must practice the religion he brought. Muhammad [sa] practiced Islam and he was copied by his companions [ra] who passed the practiced on, generations through generations it reached this generation. God willing we will pass it on to future generation, because the chain will not break.

Moses did not bring nodding head at "The Wailing Wall" so his religion is not Judaism. Jesus did not bring singing, etc [whatever you do in the christian worship in the church]. He never prayed as in what he did in the garden in any place called church. The word church is foreign to his ethnic people and definitely not part of the religion he came with.

Is Jesus a muslim or Christian?

Is Jesus an ethic Jew just as I am an ethnic yoruba?

I am a yoruba Muslim while Jesus was a jewish Muslim. Our ethnicity does not determine our religion.

But the way we worship determines our religion. When Jesus made prayers like muslims if he was not a Muslim, then what walks, swims, quacks like a duck is not a duck, then? not even a goose or swan. it must be a coyote.

So Paris love will teach Allah Revelation, while Allah is The One WHO REVEALS True Revelations; The Tract/Scroll/Pamphlet of Ibrahima, Musa, Taurah of Musa, The Zabur of Daud, The Injil of Isa bin Maryam [as jami'a], and of course The Quran where we learned all these.

Is it difficult for the mind of people to know that Allah mention Musa defeating in The Taurah and extensively we have the same story including the recovery of the body of lifeless Pharaoh and why the body was made recoverable?

God says He is One in OT. Jesus repeated the same thing in what believe to be remnant of truth still in NT. Did Jesus copied this verse from who God revealed it first or at least from Moses?

Obviously not. God revealed the same Truth to all prophets [as], so it will not be a copycat[ing] when Jesus repeated the Truth that will be The Truth, always. Should it be then difficult for mr. saint paris' mind to know God reveals the same Truth to Muhammad [sa] and tells him to correct the wrong that people have put in the previous revelations, claiming it to be the truth.


If Muhammad [sa] didnt receive revelation about the status of Mary as the best woman, there is no way to have made that statement because if he were a copycat, that information is not in NT, instead she was derided to mean less than what she was, even made to be ordinary woman without any special status even though the christians have the product of her womb to be their object of worship.


If Muhammad [sa] did not receive revelation about the fallacy of trinity he would not have said "desist fro saying so" that God Almighty is One God, without a child, parent[s], etc. Muhammad [sa] would have copied the good and the not good from your Bibles if he were a copycat.

Allah is The Creator of us and He is the Creator of what we "create".

@Abdulsleek:

by AbdulSleek(m): 12:33am

Avicenna: I'm VERY busy. I stopped posting for a while now.
So, I may never reply.

Take care.

avicenna is VERY busy to even tell his family and the non nigerian muslim girlfriend that he "has abandoned God and Religion [both of which these believe]". How do you atheists do it when you stop believing there is no God and do not ascribe that says God exists? Do you abandon more than The Two because it seems that each of the atheists I have read his or her post always abandon Honesty but pick up not telling the truth to your family and friends, instead? You all seem to drop telling your folks the truth instead picked up deceit, and all matters of deceptions. No one of you is bold enough to tell his or her "theist" family.

The one who is in adultery will not tell his/her partner s/he is a "chop and clean mouth" person. You people seem to be worshiping your parents because of their money from which they support you, your partner because of his/her goods and money you must need. But those people you cant tell worship God and adhere to religion. They are better than you because they are not keeping their relation with God as n belief and being a member of a religious group [never mind is the right religion or not] secret.

avicenna will accept any new information that his professor gives him. But he didnt know it until the professor tells him. And if he doesnt accept it he will flunk the class/course.
abdulsleek if he is a muslim will accept whatever his employer tells him. and if he refuses to accept he can be let go.



@Abdulsleek:

I will soon stop posting here to.

The people here are now against me since they failed to address issues that I raised. Goodluck to them

you know that you have no shame? you are the first man i know who has no good jealousy and willing to protect his female folks. At my age, i will not sleep with my wife when i believe that my children may even sense that we may be having sex.ual intercourse. I guarded my mother as a son should, even against my own father, though I knew they belong to each other. in reality i pick up the respect for my wife's honor from how my father treated my mother.

you on the other hand is easy to release you "muslim mother" to a man, any man who is kind by your definition, regardless of other things. At least thats what you said because your father was unkind to your mother. A muslim who is able to fast and didnt, able to pray, but not should not be proud of not doing them. you seem to be happy about your condition. Yet white brits are turning to Islam by the dozen, and you from nigeria got to your job in england to begin abandonment of Islam. You are the only nigerian in england and you are the only muslim with jobs along side non muslims?

@Nextpan:

by nextpart(m): 11:11pm On Oct 11
Since there is no refutation of the statement, it is assumed it is true. Then if is true, something must be wrong.

To attempt suicide is an evidence of psychic disturbance and demonic possession.

You know a person who submits himself to a killer when he can easily prevent the killer from killing him is guilty of the very accusation you made, above? Suicide is not only when you kill yourself. It includes allowing somebody to kill you without mounting any effort to save yourself.

There was no precedence that anyone who had contact with God or angels of God became so depressed and attempted to commit suicide.

If I go by the Bible, one will realize that Jacob must have struggle more than we know as a result of his contact with "An Angel", wherein as a result of the event he will not eat the hindquarter of cattle. The Bible is incomplete and you can not be too sure of what any prophet did when the supernatural being is in contact with him. I will give you evidence that you do not have full information.

John 13:
The Bible says Satan entered into Judas and he committed suicide.

Jesus also called Peter satan and Peter [the house of satan] didnt commit suicide. Even satan took Jesus to the edge of the mountain and wanted him to jump. what do you say to these and remember Muhammad [sa] did not say satan got to him?

Examples of those who had contact with God or His angels and there was no attempt to commit suicide:

Luke Chapter 1: Angel Gabriel appeared to Mary, a young woman and yet she was not so depressed and never attempted suicide.

can you tell me what she did seeing a man suddenly appearing from no where? You cant because the bibles do not give you any info. Read the Quran and imagine what natural reaction a person who trust in God will do; God will inspire the heart of the person with goodness wherein they will recognize that this man is a man of God, so my fear of him should be limited unlike my concern and defensive posture against somebody perceived to have evil intention.

Acts 9:1-22: Paul (then Saul) had a terrible experience. Jesus immediately arranged for his rescue and he started preaching the gospel. He had no psychic disturbance or depression and no attampt to commit suicide.

no paul in matter of honest discussion, please.

Genesis 6: God spoke to Noah.

how did Noah react and how long has he been a prophet, at that time? You dont know anything about any of the 2.

Genesis Chapter 12-18: God spoke to Abraham

Was Abraham concern when the angels didnt eat this food? You think his reaction when he heard the Voice of God is like less of a concern?

Exodus Chapter 3-34: God spoke Moses.

Moses must have been shocked when the fire didnt consume the bush and he would have even more shocked when he heard a Voice saying He is God talking to him. Proof; when he was told to throw his staff and he saw it become a snake. You think he stood there saying oh yah, this is nothing or he became fearful and wanted to run? God had to talk to him and made his heart strong and bold because he had a big task ahead.

Even pharaoh wanted to run in from of his subject when he saw the miracle of the staff becoming serpent the reason he called it magic and called the magicians to compete with Moses.


[quoteIs Gabriel that appeared to Muhammad who caused depression and attempted suicide not questionable?[/quote]The very Muhammad [sa] dealt with the very Jibril[as] for 23 years after your allegation of suicide. This alone is a proof for Muhammad [sa] because his community [ra] in more than one occasion saw person who Muhammad [sa] later told them was Jibril in human form. And Muhammad never told them that the first contact was with a different entity, but always with this very Jibril [as].



quote]It is man's duty to try all spirits to know whether they are of God.[/quote]we shall put every Biblical prophets under this test to see if each pass to qualify as a true spirit from God as a Prophet of God. Then we shall put Muhammad [sa] the non Biblical Prophet under the same test and see if he fails and can then say he is not a Prophet of God and not a true spirit from God.

1 John 4:1
Beloved, believe not every spirit but try the spirits whether they are of God.......

the bold is the complete verse and we shall put Jesus under it, first.
1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jesus said he is the christ. So Jesus passed here.

Now lets see if we can disproof Muhammad under the same test. In the Quran and Hadith we read that Jesus was also referred to as the Christ. Muhammad [sa] also passed.

Are there other tests to know who is a Spokesman of God? From the Bible we read that anyone who claims to be a prophet from God, whatever he says, if that does not come to pass, God didnt send him to say it and such a person will die without help or mercy from God because his prayers will not be answered.

Shall we put Jesus under this condition before Muhammad? Yes.

Jesus said the holy spirit as another comforter will teach, even new things, etc, and will abide with the disciples forever. And he Jesus will return before all the disciples will pass away to the graves. None of the above happened as we do not have any record of what the holy spirit as another comforter did, the disciples are all dead and do not remain forever so the another comforter is not remaining forever with dead people in the graves when they were supposed to be alive on earth forever, Jesus never returned as the christians are still expecting his return even now.


Muhammad under the same test have passed, including saying what the condition of the muslims will be even now that they are large in number compared what they used to be 1400 years ago with great faith. I want anyone who is bold enough to sincerely point to a saying of the prophet [sa] or anything in the Quran that should be fulfilled and its time had came and unfulfilled at the exact time expected to be fulfilled. One single proof will be enough.



@dexmond:

by dexmond: 1:24pm

LagosShia:

I have never come across any evidence saying what you're claiming.


The prophet's experience as a child.

When Muhammad was a child a Bedouin woman nursed him. During this time he had an experience with "two men in white raiment". Here is W. M. Watt's translation of Ibn Ishaq's biography of Muhammad, page 36:
"...two men in white clothes came to me with a golden basin full of snow. They took me and split open my body, then they took my heart and split it open and took out from it a black clot which they flung away. Then they washed my heart and my body with that snow until they made them pure."
This event deeply disturbed the Bedouins and they returned Muhammad to his mother. Here is the story told by Muhammad's wet-nurse, related in Guillaume's translation of Ibn Ishaq, page 72:
"His [Muhammad's friend's] father said to me, "I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears. ..... She [Muhammad's mother] asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her. When she asked if I feared a demon had possessed him, I replied that I did."

Notice the bolded, it was from his nurse.

From the mouth of babes you will hear the purest of truth of any event. When people ask children questions, they hear the truth from them because they do not know how to embellish. From what I know of the life of Muhammad [sa], the event in bold is completely normal, because at the beginning of Isra wa Miraj journey when he was already Messenger sa], the event happened again. The bigger event was that he was able to walk away immediately on the 2 occasions and went to heavens and returned alive on the same night in the occasion that he was already a messenger.

Abu Bakr [ra] believed him without seeing him first and was nicknamed "saadiqi" for it. But Abu Bakr said that event as it is impossible in the eyes of the disbelieving makkans, it is even a less event to the reception of Quranic Revelation, as they the companions [ra] have witnessed it, in many occasions. No one called Muhammad [sa] a liar.Instead they called him a magician, etc because what he brought was most superior to what they have heard [and if you say they have heard about torah and injil, there was your answer and indication of corruption because at that time they know that Muhammad [sa] is saying what cant find fault in or to try to improve].


And a nurse who is a bedouin didnt say he was a liar because she must have seen the scar, and prior to that al the blessing she got coming to her the moment she got Muhammad [sa] was something special. What do we expect from a woman from a people that after Ismail [as] the son of Ibrahim [as] the arabs never receive a prophet in their community? The case of the woman is like the case of post the era of Naira being equal to British pounds and at least 2 USD to 1 Naira. If I told you that 2,500 Nairas is a full of tuition, books, room and board which is more than 5,000 USD, you will definitely doubt it. If I told you that you could have paid 500 USD as tuition for out of state states student, you will think I am up to something. But it is true and this truth is inferior to the truth that came out of the mouth of young Muhammad [sa] because few years later Bagira the christian monk near Syria confirms that Muhammad [sa] has all the signs and trappings of Prophet and all the family has to do was to make sure that the jews the "killers" or attempted killers of prophet never get hold of him.

The tree he sat under to shade himself before he entered to the dinner table is still alive, today in that dusty in the territory of the country of Jordan.

@Nextpan and dexmond:

by nextpart(m): 6:15pm On Oct 11
Can any honest muslim confirm or refute this?

When Muhammad received the first revelation from Gabriel, he was confused. He climped a high mountain and attempted to jump down to commit suicide.

for this to be true, the below, will not happen. Notice the bold and show us "he climbed a high mountain and attempted to jump down to commit suicide".

Here is the hadith, notice the bolded.


Narrated 'Aisha:

The commencement of the Divine Inspiration to Allah's Apostle was in the form of good righteous (true) dreams in his sleep. He never had a dream but that it came true like bright day light. He used to go in seclusion (the cave of) Hira where he used to worship (Allah Alone) continuously for many (days) nights. He used to take with him the journey food for that (stay) and then come back to (his wife) Khadija to take his food like-wise again for another period to stay, till suddenly the Truth descended upon him while he was in the cave of Hira. The angel came to him in it and asked him to read. The Prophet replied, "I do not know how to read." (The Prophet added), "The angel caught me (forcefully) and pressed me so hard that I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and again asked me to read, and I replied, "I do not know how to read," whereupon he caught me again and pressed me a second time till I could not bear it anymore. He then released me and asked me again to read, but again I replied, "I do not know how to read (or, what shall I read?)." Thereupon he caught me for the third time and pressed me and then released me and said, "Read: In the Name of your Lord, Who has created (all that exists). Has created man from a clot. Read and Your Lord is Most Generous...up to..... ..that which he knew not." (96.15)



[b]Then Allah's Apostle returned with the Inspiration, his neck muscles twitching with terror till he entered upon Khadija and said, "Cover me! Cover me!" They covered him till his fear was over and then he said, "O Khadija, what is wrong with me?" Then he told her everything that had happened and said, 'I fear that something may happen to me." Khadija said, 'Never! But have the glad tidings, for by Allah, Allah will never disgrace you as you keep good relations with your Kith and kin, speak the truth, help the poor and the destitute, serve your guest generously and assist the deserving, calamity-afflicted ones." Khadija then accompanied him to (her cousin) Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza bin Qusai. Waraqa was the son of her paternal uncle, i.e., her father's brother, who during the Pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the Arabic writing and used to write of the Gospels in Arabic as much as Allah wished him to write. He was an old man and had lost his eyesight. Khadija said to him, "O my cousin! Listen to the story of your nephew." Waraqa asked, "O my nephew! What have you seen?" The Prophet described whatever he had seen.[/b]

read the bold and tell me if it constitutes "trying to jump from the edge of the mountain".

if Muhammad [sa] received revelations and went home and discussed with his wife, Khadija [ra] so much so that they went to see Waraqa, her christian family member, havent Muhammad [sa] skipped the jumping from the edge of the mountain, instead he actually went home to his wife, discussing the situation of seeing Jibril [as], etc? Where is the intention to jump which you put down as to indicate "IMMEDIATELY" after the revelation?

Don't you people have any shame?

@Saint paris;

by Saint paris: 6:02pm
yes not every who serves somebody becomes sexuàlly intimate with the person. But correct me if am wrong is wine not prohibited on earth but permitted in your paradise?

wine is prohibited here on earth and Allah list it as "PERMISSIBLE" in Paradise. read again. the operative word is "list". It is listed as permissible in Paradise. On earth except the Prophet [sa] all males can have up to 4 wives at any given time and not 5 or higher. Allah says He will give HOURIS as mates to Muslims. If you wish restrict it to muslim men because of descriptions as "Maidens". The fact of the matter is that Allah list this specie/creation as thing of paradise as "mates" in addition to worldly wives that will be definitely "MATES" of their husbands if they go to paradise as those who received the "MERCY" of Allah.

*the number of women one could be married to is limited to 4 but when you get to paradise it exceeds 72 and above?

Read the answer or explanation above. If you like make the number of houris to be 72,0000,0000,0000. Its your Wahala. Allah is Able to do whatever He Wills. He is not shy to tell the truth and He knows everything of the future and beyond the DAY OF JUDGMENT.

*so it's safe to say homosexualìty is Prohibited on earth but allow in heaven given the number of verses in your quran that defines this boys as 'handsome' 'pearls' etc.

Unless you have poor ability to reach logical conclusion, it is not safe to say homosexuality that God destroyed a people upon will be permissible in paradise, considering that it is not listed as what will be possible to do in paradise. The Quran did not punish anyone for consuming alcohol or marrying more than 4 wives, but admonishes that which is not permissible. God says of those who engage in illegal sex, like fornication [adultery] to them is a prescribed punishment if at the end they themselves confessed to it. Allah described the destruction of the people of homo.sexual; the people in the community of prophet Lot [as]. You tend to think Quran is a Book like the other books where what they mean is not what they are saying. Let me give you example of what I mean here: the other book says Jesus was son of God. when you ask those who believe this what is the relationship with the mother of Jesus to God then, they can't say she is a spouse of Yahweh. Quran says about this that it is a lie because Allah does not need any son and how can He have a son if He does not have a wife.

You may mr. saint paris still argue that your holy ghost mount Mary by overshadowing and "coming" upon her. Thats your own wahala because God does not send anything to mount a virgin or needs a son for no single reason.

And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. S. 52:24 Shakir

so description of handsome male means he is made a gay, a sex.ual partner of another man? You must be an unattractive male. I'm just saying. If i ask, you may read your own sex.ual perversion to it.

Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; S. 56:17-18 Shakir
And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls. S. 76:19 Shakir
We wonder, what will Muslims be doing with these young boys, hold hands and sing together? It is passages such as these that led some Muslims to argue that homosexuality and pederasty would be permitted in Paradise. For instance in his tasfir Abul-Ala Maari said that homosexuality will be permissible in paradise. He based this opinion on Suraal-Waqi‘a 56:17-23: "Round about them are male youths of freshness ... and there will be huris (‘beautiful companions with large and lustrous eyes, like pearls well-guarded’)" ...

you must be a friend to the christian apologetic dr. morey. he never say a thing about Islam that he will bring out se.x from it.

"Abul-Ala said: ‘If wine is prohibited in this world and allowed in paradise, the same will happen with homosexuality ’ ( Risala al-ghufran by al-Maarri and Khawater Muslim fi al-mas’ala al-Jinsiyya by Muhammad Jalal Kishk)." ( True Guidance (Part 4), An Introduction to Quranic Studies [Light of Life, P.O. Box 13, A-9503 Villach, Austria], p. 122)

you and him if he said so can take all gay created since you fancy that lifestyle so much, sweet boy with sugar in his blood. even wine is not mandated or made mandatory, you gay guy [sorry. you say it so frequently that i think you are a switch hitter].

Even prophet Muhammad showed some gayish attitudes.
Muhammad use to invite young boys to see him wash his private parts:
Narrated Anas bin Malik:
Whenever Allah's Apostle went to answer the call of nature, I along with another boy used to accompany him with a tumbler full of water. (Hisham commented," So that he might wash his private parts with it ."wink ( Sahih Al-Bukhari , Volume 1, Book 4, Number 152wink

my son used to see me nud.e. my nephew is also like my son because i am one of the "other fathers" he has. How Muhammad [sa] exhibited "gayish" attitudes in your mind, when men in nigeria even see the nu.dity of one another in school dorms or as roommates is beyond me. I forgot. You live in GAY PARIS, mr. saint paris. Muhammad [sa] was not a gay or sexu.al pervert like those you love to imitate. Your hatred of him is making your heart spill out what you love but normal hearts hate.

Other traditions state that Muhammad would actually allow young boys to suck his tongue and he would suck the tongue of others. For instance, in "Musnad Ahmad," Hadith number: 16245, Volume Title: "The Sayings of the Syrians," Chapter Title: "Hadith of Mu’awiya Ibn Abu Sufyan," we read:
Narrated by Hisham Ibn Kasim, narrated by Huraiz, narrated by Abdul Rahman Ibn Abu Awf Al Jarashy, and narrated by Mua’wiya who said,
"I saw the prophet – pbuh – sucking on the tongue or the lips of Al-Hassan son of Ali source

Tongue of others you said and you listed his grandson. I kissed my sons you "M..on". Grandfathers spoil grandchildren. My grandchildren will have more than ajebota life with me and you ajepako can never know what it means to love your children, you heart of stone man. I hope grandpa at least said hello to you when you were a child?

I used to wash the bottom of my children and is that "gayish" too? I hope somebody showed you there is some emotion called love and everything is not hatred. I wonder if you will know how to love. I'm just saying. God knows the truth of your life.

Muhammad also appeared nakèd before a man:
narrated by Aisha who said,
"Zaid Ibn Haritha came to Medina while the prophet – pbuh – was in my house. He (Zaid) came and knocked on the door so the prophet rose up and went towards him Unclad ,dragging his garment behind him. By Allah I had not seen the prophet Unclad before this or after it (in front of people). Then the prophet embraced Zaid and kissed him."

I have a lifelong friend. I was visiting him in frisco and we havent seen each other almost 5 years. I was taking showers and he was standing at the door talking to me and his wife was like " ". Are nigerian men who are nud.e around their friends gays? Alhamdulillah. I dont let anybody see my body anymore because Muhammad [sa] instructed me that my body must be kept private.

@truthislight: If God creating "butlers" for people of Paradise makes you sick, I hope you are not truly sick now that even the worst President Nigeria ever produce is being served by all kind of "butlers"?

I dont know why you will be sick because there will be better Luxury in Paradise than what the best on earth is enjoying? Do you think God is not Capable to reward good with "better" good, or you think its unfair for the created "being" that are made to serve, if you think the position of Angel is okay, why are you disagreeing to the point that you are now running a temperature?


@Saint Paris:

by Saint paris: 10:41pm On Oct 12
Is it proper to marry and have sêx with a 9yr old girl?

Qur’an65:4 says you can marry and divorce PrePubescent girls who have not menstruated.

Children reaching "the age of marriage" in Noble Verse 4:6. Female-children becoming fataaya (young ladies) become ready to be "wed" (4:25).


http://www.answering-christianity.com/aishahage.htm

Noble Verse(s) 65:1
Women who have not had their monthly period at the time of the divorce: it doesn't necessarily have to mean that the woman was a young girl. To me, it is clearly talking about the wife not having her period yet when the divorce happened. Women on average have 10 days of menstruation each month. Point #2 is speaking about the 20 other days.

In all that i read in the Quran and the Practices of the prophet [sa] the singular individual who had the best character and manners in every aspects of living among any who every was on this earth, I did not see a 6 or 9 year old as a spouse in Islam. Adam was a grown in his first day as a human being. Eve was the same; on the day each was a human being, they were human beings grown enough to be parents of their own children I do not know why you are complaining about anyone who was married to a spouse and didnt complain about it, no one in their time complained about it, yet it is a man lie you who us now complaining when I am sure that girlfriend and boyfriend "deal" is not far from you and you may not be a virgin when you hit 25.

24.33 Do not compel your slave girls to pròstitution to drive income from her body if they are not willing.

today's nigeria, girls/ladies are made into SE.X 'slaves' in Europe, by men, mostly not muslim men. If these people read the Quran they may just have not done what they are known to do against these poor edo/bini women. Oh. I remember there is a term now in Nigeria known as "Aristo" which is another form of se.xual slavery or is any male hoping that his women folks participate in either Aristo or European se.xual slavery?

The Quran admonishes people from doing evil and you have a problem with that?

But of course Allah is a forgiving God.. In case mominsdo beat them up and force them to pròstitute, Allah said he will forgive them.
24.33 (continued) But if you did force her to prostitutè Allah can forgive you because he is forgiving and compassionate.

Allah forgives all sins. You dey fall my hands mehn.

Lol, those boys will serve men sêxually/quote]provide you evidence otherwise the laugh may be on you.


[quote]or otherwise. Since the Op is a muslim, it never occurred to him that Homosexualit.y is permitted in allah's paradise? tongue

please put the tongue back where it belongs because you are "NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH", so why gloat? show me where homosexuality is permissible on earth in the Quran and may be permissible in Paradise.

What Allah forbids on earth that He will allow in Paradise are listed: drinking for "those who want to drink".

@Saint Paris: could you prove that homosexuality is part of the Paradise that Allah Will give Muslims? If you do not have evidence, then you are just Jaw"ing".

No everyone that serves a person on earth become sexua.ly intimate with who is served.

Islamic Paradise has the wife/wives of the earth that also end[s] in Paradise. Then there are Houris along with that.

This afternoon, I was just thinking about Cialis, Viagara, etc. The majority of the users are not muslims, yet the same folks, like yourself will badmouth the muslims, when in fact you people dont see any se,xual act you dont engage in with pride.


St paris, you dey fall my hand [like eplc fail of logicboy the atheist, aka abdulsleek who is proud that he didnt fast in this past ramadhan and 5 daily prayers has become a burden to him in London. I wonder if he lives in New York City, he would have denied ever knowing any muslim, lie Peter denied Jesus of the hanging event, they said in the Bibles. The same peter who satan lived in. Talk about satanic verses since what said is n the pages of the Bibles. Or Jesus didn't say to peter that Peter was Satan?]

@Saint Paris: How is a prophet [sa] whose Book of Revelation contains prohibition of illegal se.x, homosexuality, and providing proper age or maturity indicator of age of marriage is a pedophile? when you accuse you must be able to back it up with evidence, otherwise you may not be called a honest person in the future.

and if a little boy serve you, or even a grown man, does it mean there is sexu.al relation, instead of honorable and the one who brings his need on command? i bet people who have house helps are in big problem with your thinking; they may just be practically sleeping with their house help.

While the wealthy pays for the luxury of having somebody cater to him and or her, God Honors people of Paradise with similar in the Most Superior form and you are complaining.

Newken:

by newken: 11:29pm On Oct 11
I Love Abdulsleek.

I have taken my time to read and digest all posts on this thread. Lagoshia and co are just too inferior to comprehend abdulsleek's intelligence and faith.

What gave you the impression that Abdulsleek is intelligence, when he couldnt standup for Islam in the face of those whose stands up for what they themselves believe? The people who I respect are those who are clear of their position and not ashamed to let you know it. They are not hypocrites.

In their effort to protect Islam, they propagate falsehood, become evil and sink deeper. The world can only be a better place to be without people like lagoshia arguing blindly. I am indeed disapointed. I was expecting much more from the self proclaimed stone worshiper scholar in lagoshia. Non muslims can only consider Islam if all their followers are like abdulsleek.

what stone? So you want Islam to be watered down as abdulsleek is suggesting, ignoring the Rule of Law, The Command of the Creator; 'don't give your daughters in marriage to non believers", as an example. Or dont consume alcohol? Anyway, I wanna know how Lagosshia is a stone worshiper, or are you using him to insinuate that Muslims are stone worshipers and what stone, if you know and i will tell you i dont and no muslim worships it.

No matter how you defend islam and adore muhamed. It is a known fact that the Quran was coupled and riddled with rubbish. Copying from the bible and claiming to be the last prophet.

could you give me an example of rubbish in the Quran, a biblical verse copied, and why you think Muhammad [sa] is not the Last Prophet? Was there a first prophet and could you name him and some prophets that came after the first prophet [as]? Is anyone of them before Prophet Abraham, or Isaac or Jacob [as]? And you do you think no prophet can come from other people except the children of Jacob? Can you proof that Muhammad [sa] is not a prophet from your Biblical acid test for who is a prophet from what he says and his blood line? I wanna see you try to disqualify Muhammad [sa] since it is the Bible you believe in?

Why must there be a last prophet?

Why not since there must be a last man?

Has God given up on man?

No. The reason the last Prophet was sent with an everlasting Book that will not change, even if you hate it. This opinion of yours will make others ask why was there not more than 1 Adam and Eve, more than one Christ, etc? The point is that God does what He Wills. If He made a Prophet from non eloquent Moses and a fatherless Jesus why do you think He will not make the last Prophet from half orphan before birth? Or you think no good comes from anyone else except the children of Jacob after the Friendship of God with Abraham [as] had been established?

Even Jesus who claimed to be the Son of God promised the comforter, which is the holy spirit after his depature. I see a greedy muhamed determined to exert authority by force.

read what the comforter was supposed to be and who he was to interact those actions upon? Did the authority of the comforter supposed to go beyond the disciples? No, according to the verse. Did the comforter fulfilled any of his roles upon the disciples? No, because there is no record of teaching the newer things upon what Jesus taught. What is so ironic is that the holy spirit if he was the comforter was always known and how could an already known thing be the another, a newer thing? If we take the verses about the comforter as the litmus test to decide if Jesus [as] was a Prophet, we will not find him to be so, because neither did the holy spirit fulfilled the speaking part, teaching new thing part, etc not did the disciple remained on earth long enough that we could say that the holy ghost/comforter remained with them forever.

To say that Muhammad [sa] was greedy is to be talking from abject ignorance of defective soul. What did Muhammad [sa] gained from being a prophet, except spirituality while he lost wealth and died educating the world about God? I personally see my life better because of I am trying to use Muhammad as my model; from my love of my family, to friends and neighbors.

The same muhamedic spirit posess muslims through the fraud called Quran.

Fraud is imitation claiming to be original or corrupted claiming purity. Please show us where Quran exhibit either or both because the burden of proof is upon the accuser? By the way there is nothing called Muhamedic spirit and i believe you are the fraudster here.

Shakes head for Islam and zooms off.

watch it, you just ran into a brick wall! Sorry, i see that you are licking out juice. Go mend your broken nose from the slammed face.

Maclatunji is the worst of all. An empty barrell making noises. If you could claim Islam can make a perfect economy, i wonder why you should be a moderator on nairaland. It is indeed Seun's fault. Bullying members and making dump posts. Rubish!

Seun is smart to appoint maclatunji, because he is at least playing the role of mitt romney, when being obama like will not be sufficient.

@Sister Fatie:

by Sister fatie(f): 5:34pm

Sweetnecta: @sister fatie: i want to see how you can help me lose "religion and God". maybe you can explain how there is no God, since i know i can't even tell you what i did on my first day on earth, even to include many days or months and maybe years after that.

this morning I was making salat and i remembered a man who was saying that black people can produce black and other shades of humans and white people can not produce black people. his reason and this was just yesterday is blacks have melanin in their skin and white people dont. i got that part of his argument, the reason i thought to myself how is it possible for all things both biological like humans and all other animals and trees can come from non biological things like the particle in the so called Big Ban.g?

i have noticed that there is a single direction of the lives or recycled lives of biological things: when it dies, if decays and it may even become hardened so much so that it becomes "diamonds" and others, even stone. But i am sure that stone will not become flesh and blood or trunk of tree and the leaves regardless of how long it remains.

I was wondering if there is no Creator and how did we get here and we ave not been able to keep ourselves getting older and dying and we definitely hate getting older and dying.

my sister, you have to help me to understand these things because you seem to have gotten it all figured out, know it enough at a very young age that you have concluded no God and His Religion is the answer for our lives. You may have a follower in me so try hard to convince this man searching. Its not a good thing to pretend you believe in Allah and His Deen, if you dont.


help me and i may just help you to tell your parents the truth. truth you must have gained now that you are an atheist/agnostic because it is obvious that you didnt find it with Allah and in Islam.

of course I would like to help u but I'm sorry my writing skills are poor, I'm not eloquent enough so I won't be able to pass my message across. However u can start by ruminating on religion in general, ask urself questions about doubts u have about religion, read about religions that predate the abrahamic religions in the middle east and other parts of d world. Ask ur self why muslim women are second class citizens,all i'm trying to say is don't be scared to question ur beliefs as long as u are not a bigot u would come to see dat a large part of the quran is either outdated or to cruel for the 21st century.
Ciao

I said you help me as your recruit, you did not even attempt to educate me. You are telling me to look at religions in general, both the ones worshiping limited objects and the one that exclude others from accepting it based on bloodline and the one that limit the power of God. You want me to use all of these to disregard Islam and THE CREATOR Who Commands it as the Way man must follow. That is a poor tutorial from you. I was ready to be a disciple and you lost that golden opportunity when you could have impressed me with all your discoveries against GOD and Islam.

You needed to rethink your position if you are doing this poorly with somebody who was ready to follow you as long as you disproof the Existence of God. That would just have thrown Islam out of the window for me. Quran says that Allah is beyond what the mind can conceptualize: He is not man made, like what the aborisha's worship. He is not a man that will die, cry, eat to remain alive, have skin, blood, can be punished and overcome by anyone, people, group. He is God of all that He is not a tribal God and piety of His consciousness in man endears man to Him. He is not unjust and His Mercy overcomes His Wrath.


Obviously not conceptualized by man, but He revealing His existence. Muhammad [sa] said he heard His Voice in the Isra wa Miraj journey. And the whole of Makka accepted that Muhammad [sa] was trustworthy, truthful and not a liar. No one in his life accused of lying even those who opposed him, like Abu Lahab, Abu Shams aka Abu Jahal. Allah exchange {tashahuud of salah that we recite in sitting position] as a Glorious Greeting to Muhammad [sa]. Tthe Angels participated in this Greeting known as tashahuud of salah. I have said this tashahuud many times, today. Allah revealed the last 4 verses of the second Chapter on this occasion showing that Angel Gabriel [as] is not Allah but a Messenger and Allah does Exist with a Voice, a Presence and Able to do all things since He by His Power took Muhammad [sa] on this journey [i remember the song we sang in elementary school about this; Oluwa ranshe paNabi, ni gbolowun kon. . . .]

The miracle above was not the only Miracle of Allah on Muhammad [sa]. The cleaving of the moon was another, so was the defeat of the pagan Makkans in the Battle of Badr because Allah gave him revelation whereby he pointed to the places the disbelievers will lay dead, people like Abu Jahal. I was very impressed with the accuracy of Quran on how Abu Lahab and his evil wife will die from Surah Massad [surah 111]. This surh for 10 years before this tragic death said this couple will die as a disbeliever, Abu Lahab never for a moment declare himself as a muslim. I can write a ton of pages about Islam, the religion of Allah on man. Islam of Muhammad [sa] has waxed stronger since its infancy in Makka when muslims were easy target of the disbelievers.

The issues you raised are of two folds; religions in Arabia before Islam of Muhammad [sa] and the treatment of women or wives in Islam.

Let me give you my opinion of what you will experience as an atheist woman with your males; in your house, your brothers will get you to stay in the back, even as you deal with your parents because they have raw energy as males, which you will not be able to match. When you marry, your atheism will not make you a man but your husband will still be the person on top of you as the head of the household. Your children will bear his last name and not yours.

The problem with many people will look at the evil somebody wraps himself in and thin thats Islam. Neither Iran nor Saudi is Islam for me. Islam is Quran, the best meaning of the the verse is the accurate meaning of the verse. Let me explain. A man may read the verse of marrying more than 1 wife and ends up marrying 10 or more, by adding 2 plus 3 plus and 1 to make 10 or multiply and add the numbers together. The accuracy is that you can have maximum of 4 and not more, while you can have 3 or 2 and as long you can marry 1.

Many husbands i know are the ones who do the house chore, cook the family meals and even do laundries. The muslim men by command have to be kind to their women folks, including their spouses. Muhammad [sa] says "be kind to your wives. . . ." Wives do not have to take their husband's name, instead keep their family names. I will not marry a woman who wants to be Mrs. Sweetnecta, instead of Ms. Sister Fatie. I have seen or been told of men who give their women folks horrible beat down. These men and their women are not even nigerians and not even muslims. I will not ill treat my wife because she is clearly my lover.

You need to convince me or I may be able to convince you. But must not remain this way; it just does not make a lick of a sense. How are you in the University and you have to take a position that does not make any sense?

@sister fatie:

by Sister fatie(f): 11:51am
@op. What u r goin thru is what a lot of us atheist/agnostics go thru b4 rejecting religion. You are beginning to see how horrible every religion is. Infact xtianity is more intolerant dan islam but xtians are more tolerant than muslims. Besides alot of muslims on nairaland are delusional they seem to think dat saudi arabia and iran are the ideal states when they are both failed. In order to aid ur decision making question all religions u are aware of den u would realize dat they are all made up to fight mans fear of his motality.
Cheers 4rm an 18 yo ex-muslim atheist in nigeria and goodluck to ur mum and her boyfriend.



by andromida(f): 12:50pm
Sister fatie did you lose religion or God?



by AbdulSleek(m): 2:42pm

Sister fatie: @op. What u r goin thru is what a lot of us atheist/agnostics go thru b4 rejecting religion. You are beginning to see how horrible every religion is. Infact xtianity is more intolerant dan islam but xtians are more tolerant than muslims. Besides alot of muslims on nairaland are delusional they seem to think dat saudi arabia and iran are the ideal states when they are both failed. In order to aid ur decision making question all religions u are aware of den u would realize dat they are all made up to fight mans fear of his motality.
Cheers 4rm an 18 yo ex-muslim atheist in nigeria and goodluck to ur mum and her boyfriend.



An ex-muslim woman in Nigeria? How do you cope? Its not like the UK where apostacy or atheism is tolerated?




by Sister fatie(f): 2:52pm

AbdulSleek:


An ex-muslim woman in Nigeria? How do you cope? Its not like the UK where apostacy or atheism is tolerated?

well its hard. I'm only 18 still in the university besides my father would most likely kill me if he found out which isd what pple like lagos shia would also do, so i'm stuck in the closet. I have to pretend to believe in god, go to ,mosque etc. It's like hell.



by Sister fatie(f): 2:53pm

andromida: Sister fatie did you lose religion or God?

both

i want to see how you can help me lose "religion and God". maybe you can explain how there is no God, since i know i can't even tell you what i did on my first day on earth, even to include many days or months and maybe years after that.

this morning I was making salat and i remembered a man who was saying that black people can produce black and other shades of humans and white people can not produce black people. his reason and this was just yesterday is blacks have melanin in their skin and white people dont. i got that part of his argument, the reason i thought to myself how is it possible for all things both biological like humans and all other animals and trees can come from non biological things like the particle in the so called Big Ban.g?

i have noticed that there is a single direction of the lives or recycled lives of biological things: when it dies, if decays and it may even become hardened so much so that it becomes "diamonds" and others, even stone. But i am sure that stone will not become flesh and blood or trunk of tree and the leaves regardless of how long it remains.

I was wondering if there is no Creator and how did we get here and we ave not been able to keep ourselves getting older and dying and we definitely hate getting older and dying.

my sister, you have to help me to understand these things because you seem to have gotten it all figured out, know it enough at a very young age that you have concluded no God and His Religion is the answer for our lives. You may have a follower in me so try hard to convince this man searching. Its not a good thing to pretend you believe in Allah and His Deen, if you dont.


help me and i may just help you to tell your parents the truth. truth you must have gained now that you are an atheist/agnostic because it is obvious that you didnt find it with Allah and in Islam.

@Oguntola18;

by oguntola18: 10:06pm On Oct 03

jcross22: @abuzola, REMEMBER THAT HE DIED OF POISON.

.WHERE U HEAR SEY IN DIE OF POISON. DEM ONLY TELL US SEY HIN TASTE THE POISION THAT HAD BEEN GIVING TO HIM SOMETIMES AGO WHEN HE WAS ABOUT TO DIE

"OGUNTOLA" is christian and criticizing The Last Prophet of God. By the way, the bold is untrue and who told you such an awful lie? maybe sunday school story at the church? its not true. dying of poison is not an evidence against prophetic office if beheading of John is not or the claimed hanging of Jesus is not. OGUNTOLA, OGUNTOLA, OGUNTOLA, how many times did i call you except at least 3 times?


@drhappy:

by drhappy(m): 11:48pm On Oct 06
You have to be hopelessly ignorant to be lumping or infer that the God of the bible and allah are one and the same.

God of the Bible is Yahweh for the Jews, Ellah for the Christ and Jehovah for the St Paul and for the Christians and of the Quran for the muslims.

I laugh when some people say,' we serve the same God'. The arabic word for God is even Illah not Allah so allah must mean another deity.

But no muslim worships allah but Allah, while no christian worships jehovah but Jehovah, while no jew worships yahweh but Yahweh. Each of these Names; Yahweh, Jehovah and Allah refers to God while yahweh refers to god like the golden calf, jehovah may be the cross and the paints and all the baby jesuses. we do not have an allah in Islam.

God CANNOT be an author of confusion and maintain double standard as dictated by the teachings of Christianity and Islam

I wonder how ot says God is 1 and paul in nt proposes 3 gods as Father Jehovah, son Jesus son of Mary and holy spirit the ghost that came upon virgin Mary? is that not a confusion? finally you forgot that there are 3 groups that say they are monotheists; Jews, Christians and Muslims. the first see God differently, Jews saying God is 1 while Christians saying God is 3. Both of them use the same book, the Bible. I guess Islam is safe in its Book the Quran saying God is Alway 1 without partner, without son and not a tribalist belonging to a group instead of being God of all.

As a father with two children, will you tell one to :
1. Marry only one wife and tell the other to marry four?

Yes. The one who is to marry 4 wives may know the value of women while the one to marry one may be irresponsible and he is known to be unable to handle reality as in the abundance of water the foo.l feeling thirsty. If you know women, 1 may not be enough when there are few men eligible. who do you think will marry all the women if some men will not be able to marry more than 1? no woman who is praying to remain a spinster forever.

2. Tell one not to kill for any reason(Exodus20:13, Deutoronomy5:17,Luke18:20,Romans13:9,James2:11)

you wanna lie, dont lie about what the truth is an open book. the evidence of Yahweh/Jehovah/I AM telling Moses and others to kill is in the Bible: (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB), (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB), (Jeremiah 50:21-22 NLT). The list is too long if you goggle "Verses of killing [mass murder] in the Bible" www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm

but tell the other to kill for Islam because it is a command and the surest way to heaven.(sura9:19,Sura9:29).Infact some muslims protested against killing (S4:74-80) but mohamed convinced them that it's a command from allah (S16:10-12).

Muhammad [sa] convinced them its command from Allah? Muhammad [sa] words are not in the Quran. Allah commands him, the reason you will see "Qul [Say]" before whatever he was going to say.Did Yahweh/Jehovah commanded all that killing in the Bibles, sorry [my mistake] inspired?

Furthermore from the quran, submissn to allah is not just in praying and fasting but obedience to the order of killing(Sura4:74-77)

everything you read in the Quran is from Allah. For you, i am sure you are at least ashamed about some killing in the Bibles, so much so that you rejected the parts where Yahweh commanded [i keep making the mistake; it is inspired] men of God to kill. Who is correct; you or Yahweh about Biblical killings?

Finally, Hadith of Kanz Al-muttaqi,vol II pg252-286 says, 'swords are the keys to paradise. kill a tithe collector,[b]killing is better than prayer and fasting,[/b]fighters are better than traders and cultivators'.
Jihad is ordained for Muslims (Sura 2:216)

Jihad is an obligation upon your soul/self because it is a struggle against evil within your chest and those outside of you. I disagree with the bold because prayer/salah is the greatest daily obligation. I see you lie for Christianity upon Islam.

3. Tell one that when he dies will come to him in heaven and occupy some of the mansions already prepared for saints by Christ(John14:2-3) but tell the other that his fate after death is uncertain cos it is at the discretion of allah and that the only sure way to heaven is to kill for Islam.

I am not going into the mud of deceit with you. Allah is the Lord of you, me, Jesus [as], Muhammad [sa] and all. Jesus, like Muhammad did not now the time of the hour, but what both gave were the signs of the hour. If Jesus promised the saints, Muhammad confirmed paradise on many; Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali, Khadiah, Fatima, Hassan, Hussaine, Asma bin Abu Bakr, Hamza, Abdullah Abdusaalam [a former jewsih scholar who accepted Islam] and many other sahabah [ra]. Others included The King of Ethiopia on his way to see him [sa]. Could you list by name of the saints? I hope you will not be naive enough to list Judas Iscariot, his beloved companion or Paul who he never met?

4. Tell one that marriage is for life and the only room for divorce must be due to adultery(Matthew19:7-9, Mark10:9) but tell the other that once he's tired of his wife, he can say 'talac' three times, put her away and that's final.

You obviously dont know about marriage. Marriage is a contract. Sometimes contract are to be broken for reasons best for the signatories. While Islam forbids fornication and adultery with serious consequences for the offenders after due process, Christianity is silent and I see the reason many go into casual se.x. If you stay with a spouse who is a poison to you, the repercussion is always sad ending. If Eve had turned out to be a bad wife, do you think Yahweh will keep her and Adam together to the end? From your Bible Isaac would have been better divorced from Rebecca who hated her own son and full of deception in dealing with her husband. You remind of the wife of Samson. Is that a woman you will lie to end up with as she made her husband a mass suicide murderer? If I married such a woman, the first talaq is enough because i will not marry her again, while you can marry your wife 3 times before its over in the first exclusive set of marriage between you.

5. Tell one to pray anytime, anywhere(even on the toilet's seat. Matthew 6:5-15) but tell the other one to pray five times daily facing the east and after washing some parts of the body.

lol. obun mi iwo man yi [if you dont speak yoruba, here is a loose translation; you are some filthy man]. If God is Holy, i wonder if on the top of potty worshiping is expected? Maybe you are just joking around? If Jesus washed up and went "further" to pray in worship of God, should anyone do less, if he says he is following Christ?

6. Ordained one 'wifeless' prophet to die and woke him up again after three days for onward ascension to heaven but allowed the other prophet (who philandered and even married Zainab the wife-to-be of his adopted son,Zaid {Sura 33:37,Sura 33:36}[/b]to die and not wake up again.

the first bold is not days supposed to be 3 days and 3 nights. so calculate exactly the "time of being dead" for me from friday to sunday or from whatever to whatever and my point is you will arrive at some mistake/miscalculation, either on what the Christians are calling Good Friday and Easter Sunday or time of hanging, if it ever happened {i say it didnt achieve its object set up by the jews).

By the way there is no adoption in Islam. Call them by their father's name and Jesus was called son of David, son of Joseph the carpenter, by his own lips, son of man. The rest of that opinion is not worthy of a new response because of past discussions.

7. Tell one that there no marriage in heaven after death(Matthew22:30, Mark12:25) but tell the other [b]that there are 72 virgins waiting for him to marry when he gets to heaven(Sura44:54,Sura52:20,Sura55:70)[/b]

I know know about 72 virgins, but I will love to reunite with my wife/wives in paradise, just as much as i would love to reunite with my parents, my aunts, cousins, etc and my forebears all the way to Adam [sa]. will like to meet all the prophets [as] of God; the whole 124,000 of them. Adam and Eve were married in heaven. And many verses of the Bibles shows marriage in heaven and se.x is known so much so that the sons of God came to earth to go in to the daughters of men and they produced the giants of old. {Bible verses about se.x in heaven; how would sons of God know what to do with the pretty daughters of men on earth unless its done in heaven; - Genesis 6:4

so that you know that the "Garden of Eden" is not on earth and physical bodies that will enjoy physical pleasure is proposed by the Bibles, the below is for you to ponder; [b]Genesis 3:22-24
22 And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."
23 So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.
24 After he drove the man out, he placed on the east side of the Garden of Eden cherubim and a flaming sword flashing back and forth to guard the way to the tree of life.

Isaiah 51:3
3 The LORD will surely comfort Zion and will look with compassion on all her ruins; he will make her deserts like Eden, her wastelands like the garden of the LORD. Joy and gladness will be found in her, thanksgiving and the sound of singing.

Ezekiel 28:13
13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.

Ezekiel 31:9
9 I made it beautiful with abundant branches, the envy of all the trees of Eden in the garden of God.

Joel 2:3
3 Before them fire devours, behind them a flame blazes. Before them the land is like the garden of Eden, behind them, a desert waste— nothing escapes them.[/b]

Matthew 19
12 For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Mathew 17
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name's sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

I could go on and on but by now it should be very obvious that God and Allah CANNOT be the same being going by ordinary common sense. Point 2 above should be a pointer to why some fanatics bomb themselves and others as it is their belief that it is the surest way to heaven and this explains the violent nature of moslims. I don't blame suicide bombers because they are only obeying the true dictates of the quran. Any moslem that says otherwise is not practising Islam. QED

You people are ashamed to write Yahweh, Jehovah, I AM, etc I think when you write Allah, you always write God. Is God Yahweh and Allah is not God? What do you think Yusuf Hamza calls Allah in his english native tongue, but God? Common sense should tell you thatan english man taking to his brother in Islam can say God meaning Allah in the minds of the speaker and the listener[s]. Do not kill yourself, the Quran says and here is the verse:

"O you who believe, . . . do not kill (or destroy) yourself." (Qur'an 4:29)
". . . And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden except for the requirement of justice." (6:152)6
"Whoever slays a soul, unless it be for manslaughter, or for spreading mischief in the land, it is as if he had slayed the whole people" (Qur'an 5:32)
"Allah has purchased the lives of the believers . . . They fight (Qatl) in his cause, and slay and are slain . . ." (Qur'an 9:111)
From these Quranic Ayat it is clear that killing is strictly forbidden for Muslims, whether the victim in question is ones own self, from the Muslim nation, or from other nations. In fact, the killing of one person is perceived to be equivalent to killing all the people. However, as verse (9:111) illustrates, both killing others, as well as getting oneself killed is commanded when it is in the cause of Allah.

now show me a verse from the Quran that says become a suicide bomber or to be suicidal. I personally can show you verses of the Bible that says you should mutilate yourself. In fact here is it:

Matthew 5;30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

you may as well core out your eyes and cut off those parts that make you err, daily. You are in the custody of the merciless it seems.

@nextpan:

by nextpart(m): 1:59pm
(1) Muhammad was born into idol worshipping family:
Yes or No? If no, what was the religion of his family before he was born?

some worship idols. examples; his uncle abu lahab was an idol worshiper and died still on that idol worshiping. it maybe possible that someone in his recent ancestry like his father did not as a 'hanifan' in the manner of Ibrahim [as]. do you know that his father died before he [sa] was born, making him a half orphan at birth and within 6 years his mother died making him a full orphan that Allah revealed a verse about that in the Quran, saying He was his Caretaker from the before he began his prophetic mission?

(2) Muhammad's father's name was Abdullah meaning ''Servant of Allah'':
Yes or No? If no, what is the meaning?

yes.

(3) If Abdullah means 'Servant of Allah' it means the worship of Allah had been in Muhammad's family before he was born i.e before Islam:
Yes or No? If no, how was Abdullah serving Allah?

servant or slave does not mean worship. you of all people should know that much. worship means ibad as in ya ibadIllah [oh worshiper of Allah]. worship i always in a proper process that the One Who is being worshiped laid out for the worshiper. you cant start your own method and think it is acceptable. no sir. you have fallen to innovation if you do that and in spite of all the beauty of what you have innovated, it may actually be rejected in the same way a professor will reject an answer to a question that was through a different method from what was prescribed.

(4) Muhammad later introduced Islam (meaning submission to Allah). What is the difference (with proof) between the worship of Allah he met in his family and the Allah he introduced?

methods. the shahadah of what he brought is Laailaha ilAllah, Muhammadanr rRasulullah[sa]. the salah is 5 everyday. there is zakat and sadaqah, saum which is 29 or30 days depending on the length of the life of the moon of the month of Ramadhan. there is hajj and ummrah. there are others and Quran from Allah and Sunnah of Muhammad [sa] are the guiding Lights of the completed way.

(5) If the Allah is the same, what was the need for Muhammad to reintroduce Him?

the very same reason that Yahweh of Moses was reintroduced differently by Jesus; bringing everything back to the Purest State. Purest is the best state, dont you think?

(6) If the Allah is different, was Abdullah's Allah an idol and Muhammad's Allah the true God?

Olusegun Obasanjo, christian. Olusegun Mebude, Muslim. i am not so sure that the yorubas did not know that Olorun exists, while Oluwasola is an osun worshiper in oshogbo. but the Oluwasola Kasim of Abeokuta is a muslim, while Oluwasola of iyin ekiti is CAC.

(7) When Muhammad destroyed the idols in Kaaba, Mecca he left some including 'the black stone' (which muslims are now kissing in Mecca). What is the rapport between Islam and the idols he retained?

the black stone is not an idol but a marker, a point of reference on the Kaabah and no one then or after Muhammad [sa] reintroduced the Islam of Ibrahim [as], the hanifan worshiped the "black stone". you know muslims, males and females bear the name hanif or hanifah just like latif and latifah?

(cool There was a Moon-god in the pre-Islamic period whose name was Al-illah (sound like Allah?)

no moon god named Al-illah. if you have it show us. hilal is a "moon phase", even the birth of a new moon can be said to be hilal. its a word sounding and arabic word can have 100 meaning and one thing can have 100 names and words about it. Queen of England is the monarch of England. Queen of which late gay guy freddy mercury was a leader is a musical band. they are both Queens, but are they the same? Allah is AlHakim, yet He is AlAkim. He is AlHalim, yet He is AlAlim. Each has different meaning from the other Name sounding like it. Allah is Sultan, people may call their king sultan. Allah is AlAli, yet people bear Ali.

The god had stars as his daughters.

we do not accept any deity that has either a son or daughter or even a partner.

What is the relationship between this god and Islam as it (Islam) has symbol of moon and stars,

islam does not have moon or and star as its symbol. a dynasty within Islam did and it was the kalifah of Uthman Turks of Turkey.

moon calendar,

the same way the christian uses weather seasons and the gregorian calender. and the jews use the moon, too. is anyone of these two groups worshiping what they use to identify their own annual cycle? we do not worship the moon even if the christian worships the seasons and gregorian calender and the jews worship the moon. Allah The Almighty Who is Above His Throne, Above The Heavens is Who we in Islam Worship in the way He Prescribes "Worship" of Him.

facing the direction of the moon when praying etc?

no we do not, but we face the Kaaba our Qibla [direction].

Please answer these questions one by one as numbered to avoid muddle and as short as possible.

thank you for asking us about Islam. i pray that our effort will mean something and impact your heart. Amin.

frosbel giving tidytim a pat on the back.

its actually scratching your own back, tidytim. sorry i meant to say frosbel.

Under a spell, you said about me, above? No my lady. I could never be under any spell. My family members and friends love me. I am no enemy to anyone and I am far away from people of bad eyes. I dont even ask anyone to pray for me because I can pray directly God for myself and whoever wants to pray for me must do it voluntarily and without telling about the intention of the act.

i dont get you forcing a prophet upon me as my Creator when he is also a creation like me. You need to keep your God because I have mine and He is The One God Who is not divisible and controls all offices and duties of being God.

@Kemoolala; The above is for you. No oma she o in my "matter".
so keep the oma she o for something else.

^^^Gabriel didn't know he is now trapped in God the Father, God the man son of Mary, and God the no name Ghost. To leave 1 God and opt for 3 is the most unjust position before God Almighty Who is One Lord.

@Kemoolala:

by kemoolala(f): 6:26am

That same creator is JESUS CHRIST,

from the bibles there are amply evidence that what you said here is not true. Almost all christians say Jesus is the first created. you are the anomaly who thinks Jesus is the Creator even when people like ultra conservative christian man "olaadegbu" says Jesus was created.

HE'S Also the same YAHWEH,

Is Yahweh created? who created Yahweh? If Jesus is Yahweh, I wonder if Yahweh died as you claimed that Jesus died?

HE's the ALPHA and OMEGA,HE's also THE BEGINNING and THE ENDING,

greek and english words. but Jesus spoke semitic language. A creation can never be the Beginning and Ending because Creator was there before beginning was thought out by Him. after ending all creations will not be there, alone. a person who died cant be beginning and ending.

THE ANCIENT OF DAYS,THE BRIGHTESTEST OF MORNING STAR,

what day that is ancient, girl? the morning star is satan in your bibles.

HE's the only one that iS concieved thru devine conception,

even there was no conception [incubation/conceived] period at all for a man, and a woman before Jesus, who merely spent 33 years on earth.

He LIVES FOREVER.

at least you said he died for days and 3 nights. thats not living forever, woman.

HE DIED AnD ROSE AGAIN,WHAT A MIGHTY GOD HE IS!

shocking that you can say God died.

HE IS THE LORD OF TRINITY, HE IS THE FATHER, THE SON, and. THE HOLY SPIRIT.

so he sent himself with a gospel that do not have? then he sent himself as the another comforter? who was the first comforter and why did we read 'of my own power, i can do nothing. . . .?"

THE ALMIGHTY. That's a misery and u won't understand it since ur heart is rigid.

and God made everything plain. is there not a confusion when the Immortal is claimed to be mortal?

u know wat? HE has the power to save u if HE wills.

i will seek safety with the One Who no one can hang, who no one can whip, who does not weep, does not need anyone but everyone needs Him.

HE IS EVRYWHERE At the same time, HiS NAME IS JESUS ChRIST! HE IS THE LORD. [b]HALLE[/b]LUYAH HE LIVES FOREVER.

Ellah, Allah. Yah Ellahu, Ya Allah. I cry to you my Creator. You do not need anyone and yet everyone needs You. I will never add anyone to Your Godship or set up a rival with, against or acknowledge anything except You, Alone. I seek Your Forgiveness, Mercy and Favor.

woman, what am i supposed to do with you? I have my Lord, you have your Lords.

lol to the ^^^.
wiseone? come on. stop it.
you are the wise one, except you make some big blunders, sometimes.

calling the only religion that in its holy text God declares it as the only religion accepted to Him a cult is deliberately distorting the truth.
if you look at any other holy text, God neither honored nor the prophet ever claimed to be part of the religion.

go ahead. try it reyginus. Moses didnt worship like the jews of today. Jesus did not worship like the jews of today or the christian of today.

whether it is daniel pipes or ali sina that owns the website faithfreedom, or not, does anyone think muslims will carry feces about, human feces for that matter, a thing he cleans himself clean from?

why did anyone not ask the names of the muslim organizations in chicago or are we to believe that nation of islam will represent the collect muslim world? nation of islam does not make daily salah, the greatest of duties on muslim on a day to day basis after believing that God is One without partner.

you are not sincere about Jesus. and this is the reason you cant prove that he is Lord when Yahweh is his Lord. or do you believe in Lord must have a Lord? if thats your believe who is the Lord of Yahweh? The Lord of all is the Only Lord I know and acknowledge. He is unlike lord Luggard.

Your father is a nigerian and he will remain your father while Yahweh is your Lord and not your father. The Creator created you to live and at some point, make each of us die. I have been asking you this lady to give me the name of the wife of Yahweh if you insist that He has a son. no one has a son unless he is the husband, legal or not of the woman who bore the child.

stop living in lala land [fantasy]. the reality is that there is One Creator Who is our Lord. The rest of us are His creations. From mankind He created, you have prophets [as]. one of such prophet is Jesus son of Mary.