@dexmond: in Islam of Muhammad [sa], the only human being you can not disagree with is Muhammad [sa].
this means the only human that can not be wrong is Muhammad [sa] when it comes to spirituality and morality.

so the 'experts' you have quoted, are just experts. people can reject or ignore or disagree with their statements, except when it grounded in what Muhammad [sa] brought, the Quran and or his pattern of behavior based on it and or his saying [what he says agrees with the Quran].

by babyosisi(f): 3:36pm
If the thread was about Yaradua insulting the sensitivity of 150 million most of whom are Christians by sitting on the floor,

most of them, as in what %? is under 50% or something around there good enough to be most?

spaced out and playing with beads like a mentally retar..ded

so a woman who playfully touches the beads in the strand[s] of the pearls necklace she has on is mental re.tard?? lashing out blindly is not the way to go if you must defend christian and christianity.

adult Almajiri will it make front page?

what qualifies a person to be an almajiri? is it where you come from or something else? i wonder if dangote is also an almajiri by your definition, because i can not know how a yar adua was?

The calculated attempt by the person who places topics on front page to ridicule Christianity and promote islam with their " virtue" threads is glaring.

are you anti christian, moderator, because this is the allegation being leveled against you here? defend yourself, abeg. and if you are, then the person who alleged it so is on the money.

your post is too long. people in my age prefers summary.

your book is corrupted not because of 4 gospels. 4 gospels are part of evidence of corruption because 1 holy ghost couldnt inspire so many versions of the same story.

if you know anything about drawing, the painter draws a simply complete picture that regardless where you stand every viewer see the same thing.

paul is another evidence of corruption. heck. you seem to be blind and even if you open your eyes, there is no sight. sorry. the soul that is dead will see no good.

here is what americans are saying:

about israel and zionists in worldwide



a patriotic jew has something to say:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPLU4N7gmY4



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X2Ad8pX12Q




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlDb2PFufjQ



http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=af3oYebceeE&feature=endscreen

you live in america? when you live in america, you will know the reality is different from your read in the news info from which you have drawn your conclusion. the american sees 911 as a ticket to now express their inside, the hatred they had kept for as long as they have kept it, against islam.

muslims are on the receiving end, and if you think the government is siding islam, you must be smoking whatever fela used to smoke.

those who would not dare talk to you in your neighborhood because he does not know whether you will give him the beat down of his life can now spit on you and dare to see if you will not take it, roll over and play dead.

i have read on this board since i became a member how someone had said it is her mission in boston to see islam out of that city as if there is no freedom of assembly anymore.


when it comes to muslim, everyone blames islam. but when it comes to others, it is the individuals. hypocrite, mr dexmond.

@truthman2012: this below is about Jesus. watch it and let me know. thanks.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeR_fU1acjM

he can kneel before anyone he wishes.

my problem with him is not his religion.

my problem with him are his governance and looting the coffers.

one would have thought that such a young man will depart from the old guard's business as usual.

but he is worse considering his time, himself, the gluttony of his wife and those who surround him.

arent you ashamed? is there no shame in you? the truth is the truth.

indiana jones in the raisers of the lost ark movie did not waste his energy or try to reason or walk away from the guy who wanted to fight him.

what he did was take out his gun and shot the man dead. and that was that.

america loves quick fix. immediate result. no compromise when it comes to his interest.

america has no permanent enemy. no permanent friend.

if you are with us in what we want, we are cool. we may change our mind, our position. you cant change from us.

thats what america is. and people of america make this corporation. us is a corporation. usa is constitution.


so when you blame islam, look at the culture where the action is happening. what do the others who are not muslims capable of doing.

aluu comes to mind for me to know that islam is not the problem, though human muslims may be. in fact they are like every humans.


religion if it is a garb on you, it tempers you.

@perilioustime;

by perilioustime: 12:55pm

Saksreal:
Oh Really?

Then why do christians pray to Jesus and not God??

Why do Catholics refer to Mary as the Mother of God to the extent of worshipping her image? It makes me wonder who is God's father.

*Isiah 42:8, I am the Lord, that is my name and my Glory will i not give to another neither my praise will to graven an image*

Enough proof christianity itself is a confused religion



Thanks for that response. Not all churches are Christians. it has been written that false religion will rise up in the name of Christ in this end time.
Catholics are not Christians, dont look it as after-all they are calling Jesus. Matthew 7:21. they are all false religion. you can also see that I quoted their Mary in the Image posted. The mary Image, The Jesus Image are all false. look at the mary image very well, it also stand on a crescent moon that you islam worship so it is very gearing that catholic and islam worship the same god (satan)
Note that not all Christians are Christians. a Christian is the one that has genuine born-again and obey they word of God (Bible) and church is the coming together of two or more born again Christians
So dont be confused

so that i am not confused i want explanations on the bold. if the catholic are not christians and christans are the born again, could you tell me when christianity began and who were the christians say the century before the birth of martin luther, the father of protestanism? i believe that there was a time that only roman catholic, coptics, orthodox sects existed while protestanism was get to be formed. tell me who were christians at the time before protestants and their kjv bible and later rsv and niv? do muslims worship the moon at all? no and the evidence is from the Quran; do not worship the moon or . . ., but worship God Who has no partner. i wonder how anyone would theorize that muslim worships satan with all the curses we haul on him? do you haul any form of curse on who you worship, perilioustime? jehovah, jesus, holy ghost? do you haul curses on paul though you dont worship him? even if you are joking around who of these do you haul curse upon while we muslims are not shy and serious and intentionally curse satan, the accursed? is word of God in part opinion of paul? you will have opinion of paul in there which will suggest it is not 100% word of God.

God will never ask you to bow for Image because the Bible itself is against it

i see christians kneeling down before pastor praying for them. image does not have to be physical. mental picture is image if it is not correct or unnecessary. the image of jesus is different from the image of the holy ghost and each of the two is different from the image of jehovah, which is probably a very large santa claus type sitting on a chair. each of the 3 is real part of idolatry, image worshiping. dont you bow to jesus? then holy ghost? then jehovah?

God will never ask you to kill in name of JIHAD

the fight part of jihad is struggle against evil opposition. sure jehovah if he is not jesus told moses to kill. told joshua to kill and destroy jericho. if jesus is jehovah, you see his handwork. moses had to do the dirty work so that he does not have to do it later.

God will never ask you to tell lies

so no christian lies? paul lied in the bible so that his God can be glorified. research this about paul and lies.

God will never ask you to hate your fellow being

you dont know jehovah as Yahweh then. you dont massacre people you love. hate is the opposite of love. jesus as God, holy ghost as God, Jehovah as God in your trinity hates. big time hatred i say. jesus hated his people and other tribes and even his disciples when he said adulterous generations, evil nations, fools, from tribe he likened to dog, you of little faith, senseless people, get behind me satan [peter]. they hated him to because from the bible one of his closest friends betrayed him. the rest abandoned him, including denying association with him. at least did not believe him at all.

God will never ask you to hate your brother or neighbor

sure. didnt the mother of isaac hated isaac older brother, ishmael? didnt rebecca hated her own son esau? but these women are loved by Yahweh. no?

God will never ask you to kill to earn a virgin

so what do you think Moses, Joshua will earn, old hags? the children of israel who were told to keep the virgins for themselves on earth, do you thing they will get less than that in heaven? stop playing.

The true kingdom of allah is hell.

Jahannam is meant for disbelievers. i am using the Quran, so go find out what Jahannam is and who are the disbeleievrs.

believe it or not anyone who die without Christ is already a candidate of hell.

adam, enoch, noah, abraham the father of faith, lot, ishmael, isaac, sarah, rebecca, hagar, jacob who is israel, joseph, moses, aaron, joshua, samuel, saul, david, solom, elisha, job, jonah, etc, etc, zachariah, john have died with none of them having jesus. i say they dont need him. tell me which one of them is in hell?

if you are confused, just say this prayer

no one is confused but the worshipers of the man jesus and the ghost known as holy ghost.

You don't have to pray it in the name of Jesus or the so call allah

jesus prayed to God. jesus said i can do nothing by myself. whoever prayed to jesus has prayed in a similar manner as those who prayed to angels, etc, indeed ogun, buddha.

Just say it direct that
The God of heaven and Earth, The Creator of the Universe, Please review the truth to me.

the revelation is Quran. now you know.

I know He will show you for He is a living God.

why do you say he died then if you are with us about He being Everliving God?

He is a faithful God and He will show you the truth

God is consistent. He cant be 1 and 3 just to prove a point. there is no point to be proven, except to confuse man further. There is no way God is Unseen and suddenly a helpless babe. what point is to be made, considering that mom had control over the child, protecting him, feeding him milk from her, cleaning her, etc. why would God need humans, a young girl to protect Him, clean Him, care for Him, nurture Him, feed Him? what kind of God needs any or all of these from creation He should be their Provider? God with one of these weaknesses, as a needy is not worthy of any worship and definitely not The God of me. My God is Unlike anything. He is Uniquely One and has control over all. No one can physically hurt, whip, humiliate my God. He is Invisible and controls all.

by Paris-Love: 9:43am
Very tolerant of them, am sure if they had bomb with them it'll be (((kaboom))) the trademark of religion of peace. Thank goodness they had only stones with them. OP is even a muslim, Shia muslim anyway not the real deal. cheesy

lover of paris, there is something parisians are known for. ok. there is something french people are known for. while france is known for french bread, super duper coffees, wine [yuk], french kiss [lol], perfumes and under garments, anger and bad english, the english are known for tea, biscuits and jam [spreads on bread, etc], the irish are known for their oat meal, the german is known for rigidity and silly toughness with human feeling. well the american is known for violence outburst. if you thin aluu incident is horror, that was a just sight seeing. connect school killing is a testimony.

hence, in spite of the people saying they are muslims, mob mentality does not allow any of them to stand back. the christians didnt do better. how do you come as a group to present an opposition view, especially when you are not invited in this after 9/11 atmosphere? i guess the christians thought the muslims will cower and do nothing. the christians should have expected that they are going to find people of similar issue of anger or aggression, except wearing islamic face, while the christians put on the christianity face.

by dexmond: 12:21pm
We all know that religion is built on violence, Islamic scholars have acknowledged it.

aluu is not violent because they are christians. let me ask; was aluu violence and the culprits are muslims? mr. dexmond, take a cue from your namesake, bishop tutu of south africa.

watch this below about corruption. corrupted bible it is. when you finish show me the one that is not corrupted.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVZ7MLQorwA

THE TRUTH

Religious minorities have not “flourished” under Islam. In fact, they have dwindled to mere shadows after centuries of persecution and discrimination. Some were converted from their native religion by brute force, others under the agonizing strain of dhimmitude.

Jews reached their zenith under the light of Islam in Spain. it was a christian war on it, that decimated the forward and progress movement. do you ignore the pogrom called inquisition?

What Muslims call “tolerance,” others correctly identify as institutionalized discrimination. The consignment of Jews and Christians to dhimmis under Islamic rule means that they are not allowed the same religious rights and freedoms as Muslims. They cannot share their faith, for example, or build houses of worship without permission.

you need to take this christian mindset of yours to the jews in Israel and see how they like you as a christian. they love you so much that they killed your "leader" and say his mother was a "who.re" for roman soldiers. check the videos on youtube to see how they will love you, mr. goyum. Jews cant help themselves but prefer morocco over israel. america over israel. england over israel. heck, the only place they are not residing is west and east africa.

Historically, dhimmis have often had to wear distinguishing clothing or cut their hair in a particular manner that indicates their position of inferiority and humiliation. They do not share the same legal rights as Muslims, and must even pay a poll tax (the jizya). They are to be killed or have their children taken from them if they cannot satisfy the tax collector’s requirements.

has anyone noticed that the writer has provided no places and time as example of the atrocious acts? here are the facts; muslims in madina made a city charter that included all the citizens instead of the jewish bloodline and religious bases of who lives or dies. jews killed everything after crossing the sea, including man and woman old and sick, children, and sometimes animals and cutting down the crops. they did this and ended up destroying jericho. i know Jesus didnt fight even with swords in hands because of the weak faith of the few around him. but when the people became larger, the mob mentality set in and we have not seen the end of it by evils of conquering people of brown skin and the many infighting. enslaving of people with bible in one hand and guns in another is not exactly an expression of equality for all men and it is not different from the goyim classification the jews put us non jews in. same tigers of differnt locations.

in spain of islam, jews and christians enjoyed freedom and jews held respective posts. they had the same experience in turkey during the reign of othoman. tell me where muslims have high posts in christendom or in jewry. the christians amputated "kunta kinte", a muslim man. i hope you will not deny that. i will try to ignore the 2 world wars and even the nigerian civil war between jack and odumegu, both followers of christ. that what you say christians are. right? yet neither allowed the other to slap him on both cheeks.

For hundreds of years, the Christian population in occupied Europe had their sons taken away and forcibly converted into Muslim warriors (known as Jannisaries) by the Ottoman Turks.

really? tell me how a dwindled community of just few men but plenty of women was able to defeat the muslims, in the many crusades they mounted? start with the first crusade. i can tell you that in the time of Umar [ra], instead of praying in the church as he was offered, he refused because he did not want to start a legacy wherein the whole of the churches might run the risk of being a muslim prayer place. you know what this tells me? it is about living the verse of chapter 109, a you quoted it above. the christians of spain didnt learn from this, instead they made mosques into church when they had the upper hand.

It is under this burden of discrimination and third-class status that so many religious minorities converted to Islam over the centuries. Those who didn’t often faced economic and social hardships that persist to this day and are appalling by Western standards of true religious tolerance and pluralism.

what is western standard? which west and what time period are you talking about? lets start with spain that murdered almost all the muslims or converted them under inquisition. the blood of muslim was cheap in their eyes. the jews didnt fear better. the jews killed all the way to canaan. did i mention that, already because i hate to repeat myself? italy will not allow anyone to name hi child friday. you jews and christians hate the family of Abraham who you call father of your faiths that you will not nae your child the name of his first born, Ishmael. remember God Himself named this man? how appreciative are you of what God loves?

[JOHN 8:32 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

so which one is God; One God or Trinity as in 3?

devotedone needs to know the nature of the people of usa.
once it is her air you breathe first, her water you drink first, if your formative years are spent in her, there are many things that will be part of you:

country is first.
the community is next.
your personal freedom whereby you are territorial are the hallmark of your being. using the baseball bat to teach somebody that you are not going to take it anymore is not uncommon if there are no more serious way to express it and get your attention.

this is why can see the youth, in a mob mentality [aluu massacre in nigeria is an example of mob mentality] shouted f[ing] and say Allahu Akbar just a second, later.

believers do make mistakes, sign of our being human. disbelievers can do the right thing. sign of the instinctive nature of the good God created us with.


many years ago, i was pelted with eggs on halloween right there in the big apple. Alhamdulillah. InshaAllah, the apple will not take a bite out of me.

by truthman2012: 5:14pm
Sweetnecta, quite some days. You are welcome.

You defined Gospel as good news. You are absolutely right. But you said it is remains good news if it is intact. Yes.

My questions:

1. Who tampered with it?

the tamperer. let me help you identify the leader; look at the NT. is that really Good news, where the news are of 4 versions, didnt stop after Jesus left, instead Paul started his addition as in epistles? Well, you say the holy spirit inspired the writers. what we see is that there must have been different inspirations of the same story if its one holy spirit or there are 4 holy spirits each inspiring, differently. Or neither was any holy spirit inspiring anyone, and the deceiver has deceived them hence the reason you have conflicting reports from the 4. Clear evidence that the tamperer must include Paul is that he passes his own opinion as part of inspired text. There is no way for God to inspire anyone to give his own opinion. God allows man to give opinion as part of freedom under the free will we have. This free will is like mouth, limb or eyes that normal man has. We are talking about Good News, so I will not go to Jeremiah which let us see that Taurah is corrupted by the scholars of judaism.

2. Where is the original that was tampered with?

you guys already buried it. if you have anything closer to it, you guys keep it under wrap and it will not see the light of day. let me just say this; look at all the versions of the bibles. lets just consider the catholic bible and the protestants. can you tell me which one of the 2 is not corrupted? when you can point to it, a catholic or a protestant will tell you that what you take as not corrupted is definitely not so. evidence; one has 73 books and the other has 66. what they have in common are not exactly the same.

3. How did you know the original was tampered with if you didn't see it?

in this case, the lack of original is the evidence. Or can you point to any original? tell us why you think it is and when was it written relative to the time that Jesus was preaching the revelation he was sent with? You will not say that the narratives in the gospels are revelations from God? a man traveling by walking from point a to point b is not really a revelation. if he lectured there, part of the lecture may be revelation he got there or before. part may be explanation of the revelation. part of it may be action to demonstrate the revelation. you can call of these parts and the journey to the place, revelation.

4. With what did you compare the existing Bible before you came to the coclussion that it has been tampared with.

the bible provides evidence that it is not uncorrupted. Jeremiah let us know that OT is corrupt. Moses wrote is own death and burial let is know that OT is corrupted. OT talking about God let us now that NT's idea about God as Trinity is corruption. NT let us know that NT is corrupt by defining God as One, then as 3 entities. Gospels let us know that NT is corrupt by the arguments between the disciples of Jesus and Paul. Paul let us know that NT is corrupted when he passed his opinion up as revelation or inspiration. Paul let us know that Paul is a tamperer when he said that if he win souls for God by deception, why is he being persecuted. Paul dishonesty is sign of corruption. Jesus let us know that his disciples and his people with little faith will fall for anything. It is the big ignorance that made them and later generations ignore warnings. Hence they abandoned OT, rejected the That Prophet who is the another Comforter. You are even here rejecting the messengers of the Messenger who is the Another Comforter.

Please note that it is against natural and spiritual justice to make allegation without evidence. You must prove beyond reasonable doubt.

look up ^ and see.

If you say the Bible is tampered with, you must be able to provide ACCEPTABLE evidence(s) otherwise you are making frivolous allegations. The whole world is waiting for your answers to the above questions with evidences.

Read what i wrote. Or you can show me what the Another Comforter taught the disciples? They must have passed that down to you, generation to generation till it reaches your generation? show me plainly if you have it.

@truthman2012:

by truthman2012: 8:47pm On Dec 14
It is a common claim by muslims that they also believe in Jesus.

They also accept that the Gospel was given to Jesus.

Then my questions:

1. What is the meaning of the Gospel?

Good News. Good news is always good if you keep it intact as the one who was the original bearer of the Good News. But if you change it, it is no longer the Good News in its original. The new Good News is not the Original Good News. It the new Good News is even better or worse, either way it is a different Good News. if I deliver a message from the president of Nigeria to you, but after you heard the message, you formulated a story about me. You then call what you formulated the message or the message according to truthman21012, with so many versions. Can we say this message you are now peddling is the message that i delivered to you fro the President, even if you have no version? But when you have versions, which one of them is closer to what i delivered, since we now see that you do not care for truth as you have done away with the original message i delivered?

it is obvious that at least 2 entities know your message is a corrupted message; The President and I. This is the condition you find the Gospel of Jesus the messenger of God versus the 4 in your Bible. The Gospel of Jesus is the original and it was a message from his Lord. What you have in your Bible are Gospels from the supposed writers about Jesus.

The Original from Jesus is not the same as any of the 4 or all the 4 put together.

2. Some muslims say Jesus taught the people saying ''worship my Lord and your Lord, my God and your God''. But is that all the words and teachings of Jesus in the Gospel? What are the other aspects of the Gospel Jesus preached or taught that they believe?

I am a human prophet to my nations of chilldren of Israel. Taurah is valid. I am given a book called Injil. A messenger is coming whose name is Ahmad. Those who do not worship God, alone, Paradise is forbidden to them and they are hell fire bound, it is an evil destination for what they have sent forth.

2. Where did they get those teachings or preachings of Jesus that they believe in (with references)?

All of these are in your Bible; A prophet does not have honor in his community. I am but sent only to the lost children of Israel. Do not think i have come to abolish the laws and the prophets. . . . I bring Good news fro God to you [or you do not accept Jesus brought any revelation?]. Jesus nor John was that Prophet, though Jesus and John differ about who John was as Elijah or not. By the way, why we agree that Jesus is the christ, Elijah did not die on earth [so not dying is not unique to Jesus. even Melchizedek didnt die]. The prophet that neither Jesus nor John is, is also the another comforter [indicating that there was a comforter or more before the another comforter will come] that will come after Jesus. This another comforter will be the last of comforters and prophets and his statements shall be with man in original form till end of time. What the another comforter will be from God and nothing will be added or removed from it. Those who do not worship God will not be among the great in the kingdom of God.

Thank you.

the year is ending, truthman2012. i hope 2013 will surely be the year you know the truth.

the father answered the boy, Allah is not like me. I am a man who will make mistakes and i am not perfect.
But Allah is Perfect and does not make mistakes. You can trust His Protection of you. After all He provides all your needs without any fatigue.
i may be better than Yahweh/Jehovah who did spare the rod, instead threw the son to the crowd of hoodlums to kill him.


how good a father is that? if you can't keep your son safe, who should trust you to protect him?
how do you preserve the guilty but destroy the innocent? how do you spill the blood of the innocent in the hands of the criminals?

why i am not a Quran alone, Quran is the greatest ingredient of accepting hadith and sunnah.

What is rape except sex.ual act where one of the people in the act is not a willing participant.
can a slave master rape the slave? Yes.

Can a slave readily agrees and willing participate in sex.ual act? yes because it can be looked at as means of elevation, etc and it may be because it resolves the need for se.x, anyhow.

from many verses of the Quran, one can see that sex is legal between male and female who are of marriage age[s] and are legally married are in the conditions where se.x can occur. just because a person has a slave does not mean se.x can happen with the slave. an unmarried master cant have sex wit anyone. slaves who are young, slaves who do not want se.x, slaves who are in condition where s.ex cant happen, none of these can her master have se/x with.


24/33 of the Quran make it very clear that there should not be any forcing through any mean; Let those who find not the wherewithal for marriage keep themselves chaste, until Allah gives them means out of His grace. And if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you. But force not your maids to prostitution when they desire chastity, in order that ye may make a gain in the goods of this life. But if anyone compels them, yet, after such compulsion, is Allah, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful (to them),


70/28-9; And those who guard their private parts, except in the case of their wives or those whom their right hands possess-- for these surely are not to be blamed,


23/1-6: Successful indeed are the believers, who are humble in their prayers and who keep aloof from what is vain and who are givers of poor-rate and who guard their private parts, except before their mates or those whom their right hands possess, for they surely are not blamable.


4/24; Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.


as i read the above verses, i believe the best explanation forbids all types of sex with anyone who you are not married to, who you should not marry, slaves who are readily happy and willing for whatever reason. hence you can not force your wife just as the same that you must not force your slave.

but of course, many bent personality will say the no of women is really yes. we see muslims going clear rules like not killing themselves, damaging themselves [doing what is harmful to self], i will think that men see se.x as the greatest of worldly enjoyments, so you can see why many are blind to the true condition of se.x since they even indulge in evil to selves.


i am sure people who want to see fault in the above will find way to say, see, islam allows rape, etc. i believe when God says do not eat pork, it is don't eat it under bearable condition. but if it the only thing to prevent death, the condition is suspended. the condition of the victims of rape is same. i would consider a virgin raped to be a virgin, still.

the one who raped could turn in repentance and the Door of Mercy is always open.

is gej 35? i am older than him.

i hope that you are not this dis-respective to elders? my children are in the 35 years range, you know.

arent you over doing this your atheist thing a little too much when you have no respect for elders, somebody who is as old as mama? or even papa?

you will agree with me that elisha or was it elijah that went to christian heaven, alive?

even melchizedek has passed but he is not dead, right there in your bible.

the Quranic "passed" did not say each of them died, but saying the time and period of each prophet before Muhammad [sa] in the prophetic office had passed.

religion is the spiritual farm or food store of the soul. soul keeps man alive. where there is no cultivation or home where there is no food, the people will die. bad food does a little to keep the person barely alive. thats different when it comes to the best food. it will definitely make it possible to hit the maximum expected of good health. no religion, bad religions and the best religion are similar to the food analogy in nourishing the human soul.


God is The One Who provides the standard of what the soul must have in spirituality and you get the best from His Religion Prescribed/revealed and commanded upon man. I am proud of my african morality. but idolatry, i am not part of it. i do not make my God with my own hands just like i will not say my son is my father or my daughter is my mom. or my wife is my sibling. Good religion will definitely elevate the ethics and morality. and that is not to say you will not find some religious people deficient.


when a religious person falls short of expectation, if he was not religious he would have fallen much much deep, maybe sinking to the bottom. if he is a good person without religion, if he had taken up the best religion, he would have been much much better, even rising and reaching the top/pinnacle of the morality scale. i say that good religion tames the beast in us, best. i can assure you that if there is no religion, evil would have been more of a norm than it is now. if everyone has a religion of his own, he will have to set his own morality and his own code we will have almost 7 billion religions on the earth, today.

prodigal son's return in islam is what she has done by saying she wants to learn the process of worship, again and now.

taubah is between her and her Creator Whose Door of Mercy is open to all, except those who ignore it and die not turning to it.

she didn't want to make up her own religion like Paul did of what you call christianity, having many sub makers and sections; pope for the roman catholic, marin luther for protestants, with even sub groups and bibles; the 7th day adventits, jehovah witnesses, the mormons, etc.

i didnt even mention the orthodox groups.

in islam seeking Mercy of God are in many ways. one way is how Adam and Eve did. its in chapter called the Height. there are others, including how Moses realized his fault. even Mohammad [sa] who didnt sin, God commands him to seek forgiveness of his sins; that of the past, etc to the future.

you must realize that assuming that you are sinless, not needing forgiveness is pride/arrogance and that sort of self assurance is sinful.

Islam is secured, even if muslims are not.

see what happened to mighty pharaoh and his support in the hand of Moses who is supported by God?

see what happened to mighty goliath and his unit in the hand of David who is supported by God?

see what happened to those who stood on the side of wrong and evil and opposing rightly guided and servant of God?

Jesus, John, Zacharia you will agree suffered in the hands of evil souls. but these prophets ultimately are successful.

those who were boiled in hot oil could be vindicated or they were evil doers.

however those who God did commission with prophetic messages, Their Books of Revelation will point to "God is One and He is The Only One worthy of worship, only as He wills worship".

if the Bible is correct, then it contradicts itself; OT of Moses, and others, even before Moses and i have to go back to the beginning of man, even of creation, all Angels know who their Lord God is. Adam knows who created him. Eve knows who created her. Enoch, Noah, etc, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac now who is the God papa Abraham worshiped. David, Solomon, John, etc and Jesus know who is the God that is their Lord.


Jesus knows he was not bowing to himself in worship. if God is One, Muhammad the only true prophet who came with different book with similar true guidance can not be unGodly. I curse satan because what Muhammad [sa] brought tells me how to. if i were to slip and fall in the process of preventing it and or when i am recovering fro it, i say "in the Name of God, The Beneficent, the Merciful". I do not even remember satan in things of that nature so that his mention may mean to him that he was the one that tripped me in the fall.

i curse satan when i am about to read Quran in and out of salah. I curse satan when i am avoiding temptation. I curse in things that i do not like to do. Islam is good and wholesome. it is not illogical and does not bother the mind. I am happy to prostrate and not proud. while you prostrate mere mortal because of their daughters and refusing to do same to God, i do not prostrate to mortals and dont expect any from anyone.

You and walid shoebat the son of cigarette smoking mother, can deceive yourselves. God is patient. and they will come to know; Judgment Day.

we dont want christianity. and we are satisfied with Jesus being a prophet. because there were other prophets. before him. and there was never a real son of God. and why would God want one? and neither He nor the prophets and prophet Jesus ever told us God must and need a son. why should we believe other people like Paul who clearly preached his own gospel? why should we become worship of man and ghost along with worshiping God? keep our man God and ghost God for yourself.

you probably love many Gods like the hindus an you will make God out of anything lie the buhhdists.

@paris-love; show me the word 'died' in the sentence or do you think passed is to mean dead?

is there not a single prophet in the bible that did not die on earth and dd he not pass, to mean his time as a prophet had came and gone?

i am thinking about the one that was taken up in chariot, alive and not dead to man in that process. whats his name?

we have at least 2 prophets that we say did not die on earth, idris [as] and isa bin maryam [as]. God is capable of doing all things, including the life of anyone.

from God we came, to Him is definitely our return.
it is forbidden in Islam to take innocent life.

the life of that woman was innocent. there is no reason for him to kill her.

if he was conscious of his islam, fornication should have been something he didnt indulge in.
then he took innocent life, the primary caretaker of his zanni daughter. the daughter has lost a mother, a friend, a caretaker.

attempting to kill himself was another thing i just dont get in this.

I like the question of the op. i am guessing that the op believes that there is a true religion amongst the many that man proclaims as religions.

religion can be define as a spiritual way to satisfy the conscience, mine or soul where in it the heart is at some peace.

the way that is followed must be with the intention to reach a destination and there must be a commander that commands or instructs the one on such a path/way that the goal at the end of the journey is pleasant.

religion is therefore the tunnel that there is something to find at the end of it. The true religion and there should not be more than one will have the light of the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.

if true religion was created, when and by whom? were there people who had lived before it was created and what advantage do the people who came after its creation have over those who lived before its creation? if this is the case that true religion came after many had died, then there is no fairness in grading those who died before it versus those who took advantage of its benefit because there was established true religion already before their birth.

i as a muslim say that true religion is not created but revealed by God who created man and put this true religion on man as the way man should seek His Benevolent, and by it man will be judged using the criterion of its ruling to know who is stays on the right course and those who decide to follow many wrong path shunning guidance. This is what intent for man; a true religion that He revealed in His uncreated Words, but revealed Words of God.


Adam being the first man was given the first and most important element of true guidance into the one and true religion revealed that God is One and all worships of man belongs to Him, only as He deems and instructs. Therefore you can not create any way o your own and say this is acceptable. is there anyone who accept lies as the truth he already knows?

There is Only One God and there is only one religion from Him.

I like the question of the op. i am guessing that the op believes that there is a true religion amongst the many that man proclaims as religions.

religion can be define as a spiritual way to satisfy the conscience, mine or soul where in it the heart is at some peace.

the way that is followed must be with the intention to reach a destination and there must be a commander that commands or instructs the one on such a path/way that the goal at the end of the journey is pleasant.

religion is therefore the tunnel that there is something to find at the end of it. The true religion and there should not be more than one will have the light of the proverbial light at the end of the tunnel.

if true religion was created, when and by whom? were there people who had lived before it was created and what advantage do the people who came after its creation have over those who lived before its creation? if this is the case that true religion came after many had died, then there is no fairness in grading those who died before it versus those who took advantage of its benefit because there was established true religion already before their birth.

i as a muslim say that true religion is not created but revealed by God who created man and put this true religion on man as the way man should seek His Benevolent, and by it man will be judged using the criterion of its ruling to know who is stays on the right course and those who decide to follow many wrong path shunning guidance.


Adam being the first man was given the first and most important element of true guidance into the one and true religion revealed that God is One and all worships of man belongs to Him, only as He deems and instructs. Therefore you can not create any way o your own and say this is acceptable. is there anyone who accept lies as the truth he already knows?

There is Only One God and there is only one religion from Him.

olaadegbu is hitting new low each time i read his thread. when will he reach the bottom or is case is like the bottomless cup at the soda fountain?

if one looks at the history of president barackAllah hussaine obama, one will see that what makes him up are pure heterose.xual bloodlines and upbringing.

there is no time he did not have a male and female who are husband and wife in his life and he did not grow up in chicago where the allegation is focusing on.

most african children in america, i will not say all because i dont know all of them are heterose.xuals. their extreme sex.uality is always along that line and not homose.xuality.

i doubt if the president who was already a lawyer before arriving in chicago was ever hoose.xual before chicago or as upon he arrives there, his political opponents in his local political races would have used it against him. chicago is a different kind of town and everything goes when you wanna out your opponent, politically.

i wonder why the clintons didnt accuse him and drown him with it? have you ever thought of that mr. olaadegbu?
i know you are trying to damage a soul for Paul, instead of winning one for Jesus.

if a youth who ever had his bare chest touched by his friend in nigeria is accused of homo.sexuality, what is your sexu.al orientation, mr. olaadegbu?

@dexmond; the op asked about 'muslim sister learn about islam' not about mere 'praying'.
i guess she is sure about her want and need and wants to make it right in that specific direction.
you should not disregards her 'aim and intention' because she knows herself better than you know her.

if you want to preach your way to her, whatever it is, do so in a manner that will make are pay attention. but the way you are doing it is completely unproductive. you do not identify yourself to be following any way that can be identified. all i know is that if you are a muslim, you have ignored all elements of islam and probably pushing a different 'islam'. i doubt if you are muslim, just the same way i may doubt that you are a christian or jew or idol worshiper and atheist does not believe in prayers.

Islam has a firm process and there is no Paul type man and his idea in Islam.

so back off of her and take your idea to a different thread. thank you.

@Mike404:

After military conquests, Muhammad would dole out captured women as war prizes to his men.

should they be doled out to women or to themselves or not doled out at all?

In at least one case, he advocated that they be Molested in front of their husbands.

that will be incorrect and malicious on your part. Reason is that the muslim man will not be willing to be naked in front of another man, captive or not.

Captured women were made into sex slaves by the very men who killed their husbands and brothers.

i remember reading one of the christian posters saying a brother from her church said he was using the church sisters to keep body because body no be wood. male and female who experience se.x or mature enough to have it will be prone to having the experience of se.x, just like food is necessary because the body wants and must have it. The slave woman is still a woman. i bet you can count many numbers of women that if they are your slaves, God help them. Master relationship elevates the servant. Believe it.

There are four Quranic verses in which "Allah" makes clear that a Muslim master has full intimate access to his female slaves, yet there is not one that prohibits molestation.

i dont understand your point of molestation.

The Quran gives Muslim men permission to beat their wives for disobedience, but nowhere does it command love in marriage.

you never read the Quran because you would have read that God puts love between your hearts for each other, as mates. I never beat my wife. Infact i do all my cooking. Few 9ja christian do this. My wife does nothing for me as long as she is happy.

It plainly says that husbands are “a degree above” wives.

that degree is the power that male gender has over the female gender.

The Hadith says that women are intellectually inferior, and that they comprise the majority of Hell’s occupants.

most women by gender follow the husband and women are the larger population, so by proportion, yes. But every man in Paradise will have women, which says women will be more than men in Paradise.

Under Islamic law, a man may divorce his wife at his choosing.

women can do the same for even simple reason as i dont love any more. woman can divorce a man who refuses to practice Islam or go into haraam business.

If he does this twice, then wishes to remarry her, she must first Be Intimate with another man. Men are exempt from such degradations.

wrong. he and her have to be divorced 3 times. then she is free to marry another man and never returns to him. if he wishes after the new husband has divorced her in the third marriage, she can say no. first divorce, the wife can say no. again. she can initiate the divorce in the first place. you ma me laugh when you said men are exempt from such degradations. imagine how rampant and easy se.x would have been if this was allowed? imagine that.

Muslim women are not free to marry whom they please, as are Muslim men. Their husband may also bring other wives (and slaves) into the marriage bed. And she must be sexually available to him at any time (as a field ready to be “tilled,” according to the holy book of Islam).

muslim man can only marry muslim, christian and jewish women. others are forbidden. it is not permissible for husband to have 2 women under 1 roof whereby each can be at hearing distance of what happens in bed. husband must also be available for wife, when she is ready. both are covers and protector of each other so that neither strays.

Muslim women do not inherit property in equal portion to males. This is somewhat ironic given that Islam owes its existence to the wealth of Muhammad's first wife, which would not otherwise have been inherited by her given that she had two brothers and her first husband had three sons.

fingers are not equal. let me tell you about how privileged muslim women are. every male in her life fans and coos over her. my older sister takes my portion and her portion of our father's properties. I give to all my women folks as they need, regardless of their wealth. i work to satisfy women.

interestingly, a 5 year old male and 35 years older brother will have same amount. was the 35 years old older brother been short changed or the young 5 years old boy over compensated? Which one of them owns the properties they now inherited because their parent died? The sisters and brothers in my own view got free properties. No one should complain because they didnt sweat to get it. The brothers should keep loving their sisters so that her inheritance, she does not even touch. Thats what is expected of family.

A woman's testimony in court is considered to be worth only half that of a man’s, according to the Quran.

women could be emotional. you now that emotion clouds reality, somewhat?

Unlike a man, she must also cover her head - and often her face.

i know that beauty includes the face. cover all. whats beautiful about men are covered, too.

If a woman wants to prove that she was Molested, then there must be four male witnesses to corroborate her account. Otherwise she can be jailed or stoned to death for confessing to “adultery.”

no one will witness molestation and keep quite or didnt do something about it when the woman was protesting. if any does nothing, he is evil. i hope that you are not one of those who witness evil being committed and does nothing, but eager to testify, later? A woman who accuses a man must be heard. there is due process in Islam and where piety resides, justice must prevail for the sake of God.

Given all of this, it is quite a stretch to say that men and women have “equality under Islam” based on obscure theological analogies or comparisons. This is an entirely new ploy that is designed for modern tastes and disagrees sharply with the reality of Islamic law and history

NO INSULT PLEASE!!!

i will not insult you. what you have against is myth. the reality you have called myth, above. Islam for man and woman is same. From believing in One God and shunning all others. To the littlest of good deeds and abstaining from evil. We all stand shoulder to shoulder, in different lines and spaces because of gender purity.

a wife who is wealthier than the husband can give to husband. what she gives is charity because there is no obligation on her to do so. the sister who gives to brother is being charitable while the not as wealthy brother has obligation to care for the much wealthy sister. oppression of women, indeed.

^ correct. only way to God, if I was alive in his time. Sure. I would have followed him, like a shadow.
i would have done the same with Moses if I was alive in his time. I would have rejected the golden calf way.

i was alive in the time of Noah, I would have followed him into the boat.

I am sure Jesus was not the way in the time of Noah or the time of Moses.

Did you pay attention to John who baptized him that he didnt follow Jesus?

That was his contemporary. Is John not on the right path to God?

John the greatest prophet, said Jesus.