queensmith:

You are obviously an illiterate, if that is what you read from my post I advise you re do your primary education.

I have tried to help you by showing you lack common sense. Please refrain from giving advice to anyone now or in the next 3800 years. The putrid stuffs you have spewed here is considered biohazard. Please I beg you. No need to get all violent with me, take deeeep breaths and calm down.

musKeeto:
Nl was upgraded to version 2.0.. New features introduced, some redundant (followed, following) others a bit useful...

The new theme will take some time getting used to. I notice you were a regular on this section sometime back. Is this a 'welcome back' or 'just passing'?

Wow thanks for the info. The colours are really shouting right at my eyes. I guess it's been awhile, almost 2 years now. Did you change your ID from something before? I just arrived Naija, for the past few days trying to log on, couldn't remember my password. All my old Id's surprisingly have been unbanned. This place hasn't changed much, different sects still fighting day and night. LOL.

Wonder how davidylan, noetic, jesoul, Huxley, krayola, deepsight, mavenbox Abi na inesqor , viaro, kay17, Pastor AIO, tonte-T, banom, nuclearboy, myjoe, nwankwo/justcool, alethia, Abuzola, babs747, olabowale, mazaje, manmustwac etc. See most are gone, hope they are all doing well wherever they are. Those guys really made my days back then. Haha

mkmyers45: Yay! She's back..phew we did miss you a lot..well master seun change NL early this year so this is what we have..How r u? Jesoul was telling us sometime ago about what happened to you..Hope you'all better now

I'm fine on my brother, thanks for asking. Been okay for awhile now, just getting my stuff together. Decided to give myself a tour of the world mehn, we only live once oo. Try to enjoy the good things of life as much as you can before you kick the bucket or before some fool knacks the bucket on your head.

I might be visiting here from time to time if I have the chance. I would love the discuss NDE's with you folks here sometime, have some amazing experiences to share. Would be nice to hear varying perspectives.

The word of God Says, Can Two work together unless they agree? Our Lord jesus said in Matt Chapter 10, "Do not think that I came to bring peace on Earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's enemies will be the members of his household. He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it"

Our Father in heaven has spoken. Your wife is the enemy. Please don't let her drag you into purgatory and hell. Cut her loose that though may enjoy the kingdom set for us by jehovah Elohim. Remember these are the last days, The arm of the clock is just a few minutes before 12. This wife if yours is not important, discard her according to the word of God. the ultimate bride we have is JESUS, JESUS, and he's coming to marry us soon. Hallelujah.

Please read psalm 91 and 101 tonight for spiritual edification. Hossanna

queensmith: your best friend and your soul mate did all this? you probably should be reconsidering those titles you gave him.

go and find a better friend,

I have to admit I am very bad with birthdays, i don't bother much with my own talkless of others but since you told him you were hurt he should have gone the extra mile to make you feel special, look at all the planning you are doing for him?
I don't know if its just that your husband isnt much of a romantic, but that doesnt really matter- you guys are partners and should be trying to make each other happy. Talk to your husband and open up about what you expect from him and try to spend more time with him, he might have just forgotten a marriage is made of 2 human beings not just one. How will he feel if you forgot to feed him? Forgot to sleep with him? forgot to acknowledge his presence in the home?

This individual definitely lacks common sense. Because he didn't throw party for her, therefore she should go find another best friend?

Women are something else. How you equate forgetting a birthday (which the op has already admitted is not even a big deal to her) to forgetting to feed, bang or acknowledge deserves an award for magic of the century.

The OP is just a drama queen. She has admitted the marriage is in the best of times, still she is itching for a quarrel.

See wahala oo. Why una no just mind una business. All my past 4 weddings were conducted in absentia. Recently divorced hope to seal another one soon

Can anybody tell me why this forum looks weird? I mean the layout and colouring. Or I'm not remembering things clearly. This theme hurts my eyes.

Maybe my memory is still bleeped up

When will daddy GOat Adeboye return his part of the loot Pastor Erastus Akingboola gave him to buy jet? Or he thinks we have forgotten? Shameless old thief pastor.

Azibalua:

Obviously your intentions are far from right,
Anyway if you want to know the location you can start your search now from your present location.

*BIG FAT YAWN*

In other words the "academy", and "lots more" exist only in your lying imagination, right? Thought as much.

Anybody else? Why is it so difficult for you guys to produce addresses?

^^
Bla bla bla. Lying rogues. My challenge is still open wonder why its taking forever.

You dey mind the dude? Just interested in going merry go round.

1. Fact; I have shown your God has no problems receiving the blood of a Human for sins. Be it his son, cousin, or Uncle's blood no one gives a hoot. Not all Gods can produce sons. Human blood is Human blood.

2. Fact; I have shown you where your God commanded the death/ MURDER of innocents including infants, babies, innocent children, pregnant women, virgins etc. Whether they were murdered as a Human sacrifice or not No one gives a hoot. Basic thing THEY Where KILLED on The INSTRUCTIOn OF YOUR GOD. Murder is murder.

4. Fact. Murder is Murder. Killing babies is Killing babies call it war, ritual or raids. No one gives a crap. Why will grown soldiers fight innocent agiainst infants? Name it Human sacrifice or Murdering 300 men on a mountain coz they worship baaal. According to you, You wipe out a Group of people "synonymous" with "evil". That's very rich. Kill innocent children and label them synonymous with evil. Their only crime? They were born to the wrong parents. Clap for yourselves.

3. Christians now and the jews of old worship Idols as far as other people are concerned. The same way you view other peoples Gods as Idols so also they have a right to view yours as idols. And since when has someone else worshipping another God been a justification for genocide, infanticide and ethnic cleansing?

4 . As for your rant about Deut 7. Yea I read the remaining passages. What did I see there? I sent u to kill them, and their babies because I love only you and promised your fathers their land Are you insane? Erm how does that Justify the killing of babies and children? WHAT WAS THEIR CRIME? You are yet to answer this very simple question. They are now "tumours" right? Tell that to the US Army. They'll surely find your Tumour application useful in afghanistan and Murder everyone afterall they are in a state of "war". The war woulda been over years ago.

5. You keep missing what's infront of you and dancing around. "reasonable reason for completely
barbaric,pointless and baffling human
sacrifices". Well, its the same reason why Your God is allowed to wake up one morning and Murder 70,000 people because of a census or command that entire cities including children be wiped out and he is not labelled evil. Maybe I shlould leave it the the Great Nuclearboy to answer you in simple clear terms. Infact I couldn't have put it any better.

nuclearboy:

Misleading if not provocative!

I breed table catfish and the next time anyone here decides to visit me, will take a couple and cut them up as table fare. Would I (and guest) then be mass-murderers?  Well, maybe from the point of view of the fish but would anyone here agree with them?

Why can't we be honest for once? How do you wish to compare God (creator) to a "mother" who accompanies on a theiving spree.Does not the OWNER have right over His property?

Thank you Nuclearboy.
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-552568.0.html#msg7169723

The same way Yahweh has a right to order the death of anyone and everyone including infants, SO Do the Gods of our Land. They created us all and can demand 1 million heads for their gratification. Does not the OWNER have right over His property? If you don't like this, take it up with Nuclearboy.

6; well well well, you agree Jesus came to right the "wrongs" of the old testament. I like that. You do admit your God got it wrong. So also african traditional religions. There is a reformation going on. Just like the reformed ogboni fraternity and others where old unhealthy practices have been thrown aside. There are some bad eggs yes but that doesn't mean others aren't trying to reform. That u look down on them because of their tainted history when yours is also as bloody nad dirty just makes you a HYPOCRITE.

7. The Gods are said to be Just and fair. They do not condone evil or greed. So those who you mentioned using pregnant women, albinos, bla bla bla, human parts for money making rituals, political power, protection etc they are strictly on their own and the Gods do not accept such.

8. And as for this, "moreover the instances you have given
WERE IN A STATE OF
WARFARE it is totally different from
COLD BLOODED MURDER", Package it in a cold envelope, seal it then send it to Charles Taylor's lawyers at the war crimes tribunal in the Hague or U can backdate it and address it to Adolf Hitlers Generals in the Nurumberg trial, I'm sure they'll find it useful.

mabell:

You don't need to be insultive
is that how you want to make your point clear

Who is insulting you? I'm merely stating facts as I see them. Aka liars

Azibalua:

I am asking you for infrastructure CEC has put in place to help the needy. Infrastructures that will benefit generations to come and empower the present. Clinics, schools, vocational centres, hospices etc,  Where are they? Its easy to give out foodstuffs and old clothes once in a blue moon. Its cheaper for you that way right?


Inner city mission homes/ shelter.
Innercity mission academy
Provision of computer facilities for security services
Free legal jobs for the less privileged
Provision of housing
And lots more

Where are they? On the Moon?

I specifically asked for addresses, locations, directions? Where is that academy? Where is that vocational centre? The clinic nko? Where is the lots more located?

IDINRETE:

@Tudor
O yee troubler of nairaland your are back, just read your saga, get well soon,  the forum has been so boring in your absence

Thanks a lot my man. I intend to be better soon. Hope you are good.

newmi:

@Tudor and Earswide
Picture of Christ Embassy Mission trip to Remera prison Rwanda. The missions team organized an outreach at the Remera prison with 600 inmates in attendance with 400 of them giving their lives to Christ. The team presented relief items to the prison authorities such as blankets, food stuff, and most importantly, Rhapsody of Realities in KiyanRwanda and English. This is just one out of many.

What is this? Mission to give onions to rwandans in jail? After the food finishes what next? They starve and wait till next 5 years when CEC decides to go on another photo OP mission?

I am asking you for infrastructure CEC has put in place to help the needy. Infrastructures that will benefit generations to come and empower the present. Clinics, schools, vocational centres, hospices etc, Where are they? Its easy to give out foodstuffs and old clothes once in a blue moon. Its cheaper for you that way right?

Over 80% of the population leave below the poverty line, have poor access to health care and good education, maternal mortality is a scourge, in what way has CEC helped alleviate these prevailing conditions? The early missionaries who came and set up schools and clinics to help combat these prevailing problems then do they have two heads? Where is your mark/impact in the society?

You don't give a man fish, teach him how to fish. That is what true charity should be about.

So try again.

Joagbaje:

The church is not a charity organisation. And the church is not called to do what government should be doing. So when you see the church leaving the primary responsibility to help out in the society. You should commend it or keep quiet.

You are actually a very foolish man. The church is not a charity organisation? Why are you not paying Taxes then?

The early missionaries that built all those did they replace the government? Did they not still perform their functions of spreading the gospel? Is this your pathetic excuse? Did I say CEC should take over the health sectors?

One simple free health centre, vocational center or welfare infrastructure to benefir the poor you cannot produce. Where is your impact. In the society where your church stands? Such a shame.

I presented a challenge to you clowns and yet none of you can stand upo to it. Are they really that hard to find? Should I contact US miliary intelligence to assist you? You are rogues.

Matthew 25 31- 45

31  When the Son of Man comes in His glory (His majesty and splendor), and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32  All nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them [the people] from one another as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats;
33  And He will cause the sheep to stand at His right hand, but the goats at His left.
34  [b]Then the King will say to those at His right hand, Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God and appointed to eternal salvation], inherit (receive as your own) the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35  For I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you brought Me together with yourselves and welcomed and entertained and lodged Me,
36  I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me with help and ministering care, I was in prison and you came to see Me. 37  Then the just and upright will answer Him, Lord, when did we see You hungry and gave You food, or thirsty and gave You something to drink?
38  And when did we see You a stranger and welcomed and entertained You, or naked and clothed You?
39  And when did we see You sick or in prison and came to visit You?
40  And the King will reply to them, Truly I tell you, in so far as you did it for one of the least [in the estimation of men] of these My brethren, you did it for Me.[/b]
41  Then He will say to those at His left hand, Begone from Me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels!
42  For I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me nothing to drink, 43  I was a stranger and you did not welcome Me and entertain Me, I was naked and you did not clothe Me, I was sick and in prison and you did not visit Me with help and ministering care.
44  Then they also [in their turn] will answer, Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45  And He will reply to them, Solemnly I declare to you, in so far as you failed to do it for the least [in the estimation of men] of these, you failed to do it for Me.
46  Then they will go away into eternal punishment, but those who are just and upright and in right standing with God into eternal life.

I have not seen anywhere In that passage where it is said you are at the right hand because " you spread the gospel" rather it Is CLEARLY stated there that "Charity" to the less fortunate is what qualified them to be at the right hand Of God. You are just pathetic LIARS.

GODSON2009:

@tudor
your comments are not arranged properly so it makes difficult reading and comprehension but i will try and take your points briefly one after the other

Sorry, I have rearranged them. My hands weren't steady when I was typing then. No go back and read it.

you gave the bible verse of 1st samuel 15;3 to back up your assertions,however you picked up a couple of verses out of a whole chapter just so you can back up your points,its like saying obama is in the same league as hitler for ordering the bombing of bin laden's hideout in abotabad without looking at the general context.

Rubbish. Were innocent babies not exterminated in that verse or Not? Why are you complaining? Please tell me What Crime those children we're guilty of.

secondly quoting from the bible to back up your assertions means you have to believe not only the actions but the reasons for those actions.

"Secondly" quoting history to back up your assertions about african traditional religions means you have to believe not only the actions but the reason for those actions, How does this sound to you?

1.the old testament was a state of warfare and everything was settled with the sword,if you check the history of the amalekites from genesis you will realise that they were synonimous with evil,idol worshipping,they not only worshipped the sun gods etc they sacrificed their children to the gods etc

What is this? Yayayayyayayayay, And the olden days of our fathers were synonymous with peace? And everything wasn't settled with the sword? Is that even an excuse?

You are just ridiculous. Started bringing up foolish excuses to justify killings.

Or you think the rituals and beliefs of our traditional religions just started one morning? They had reasons for killing twins or burying slaves too, and they are just as bogus as your own reasons for God killing 70,000 people because of Census.

The amalakites were evil indeed. If you can summarily declare a group of people evil and wicked and exterminate them including babies, why can't other religions declare other people evil and kill them also?

The so-called Good people of the bible are equally as evil as d amalakites. They worship idols too, not so? And then kill children. Since when has idol worshipping being a justifiable reason for genocide? Were the innocent babies idol worshippers too?How someone thinks the best action to stop a tribe who kills its children is to come kill everybody in town and then help them finish off the children they haven't killed yet. That's very rich.

You seem to be making special rules for yourselves. Abeg, siddon one place.

besides they were not christians at that stage those were jews.i hope you realise there is a massive difference between JEWS AND CHRISTIANS, the fact that the accounts are in the bible doesnt make them christians .

Wow. Who were the Jews worshipping? Not the same God? According to your story is not God = Jesus = same genocidal maniac? Since they were not christians why not discard the old testament? These we're supposed to be instructions from Your Jesus/God and men after God/Jesus' heart yet we see all this.

If you worship Jesus you worship that same God. C'est fini

This is like a Reformed Ogboni man denying the old barbaric acts of his progenitors and claim they were not ROF members till the reformation. You are just a joker

when you assert,do so with proof not hear say and conjecture,where in the bible did GOD condone slavery??

Its is a widely known fact slavery was CONDONED in the bible. Even "God" had guidelines on how slaves should be treated, captured, sold, inherited, how their childern can be owned like puppies etc like common property.

Slavery in its entirety is WRONG. When a human being is treated like a property its inhuman.

Fact; slavery was widely practiced even in the time of Jesus.

Fact; Nowhere did Jesus ever condemn it.


Leviticus 25; 44 -46

44  As for your male and your female slaves whom you may have, they shall be from the nations round about you, of whom you may BUY male and female slaves.
45  Moreover, of the children of the strangers who sojourn among you, of them you may buy and of their families that are with you which they have begotten in your land, and they shall be your possession.
46  And you shall make them an inheritance for your children after you, to hold for a possession; of them shall you take your slaves ALWAYS, but over your brethren the Israelites you shall not rule one over another with harshness (severity, oppression).

The above is the word of YOUR Lord telling you to BUY foreign slaves (most of whom are prisoners of war sef or captured by raiders) and keep them as "possessions for PERMANENT heritance". Anyone who makes such declarations today will be arrested.

you mentioned the canaanites generally without any backing for a serious assertion show me where CHRISTIANS IN THE BIBLE killed people in cold blood!

Are you disputing the cannanites were systematically exterminated?

Deuteronomy 7 1-2

1  WHEN THE Lord your God brings you into the land which you are entering to possess and has plucked away many nations before you, the Hittites, the Girgashites, the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than you,

2  And when the Lord your God gives them over to you and you smite them, then you must utterly destroy them. You shall make no covenant with them, or show mercy to them.

Talk about murderers. You go and Kill people including innocent babies their crime; because they inhabit an expanse of land which you covet.

s really grand of you to admit slavery is an heinous act,bringing me to a question i shuld ask you which is worse
white people enslaving us,or our own fore fathers not only enslaving each other,but bet raying and selling their fellow nigerians to the white slave traders or did you think the portuguese,british slave traders just happened upon them in the bush,captured them and put them on boats?

So what? And the relevance of this is what? A human being is a human being be it your brother, sister or foreigner. The people of the bible maintained slaves. Thank Goodness you admitted its a terrible thing. Send that memo up to your God, he/she/it probably needs to know.

while i cannot guage or rationalise the actions of GOD as he acts the way he wants in his infinite wisdom,you should go back and check the very first verse of the 1st chronicles 21 for the exegesis then go on to look closely at verses 11-13 they were given choices of punishment and by the way im sure you know what collective responsibility/punishment means, it is still practised in the army and other forces if one person does something wrong,the whole platoon was punished
the rationale of the 70,000 people killed was that he the lord  that expressely forbade anyone from doing a census in the first place the alpha and the omega would show his greatness by rendering the census david stubbornly did ineffective,remember he owns us,he created us and we are still going back to him.

Oooooh Right. The long and short of this is Your "God" in His infinite wisdom has the right to kill and murder anyone as he created us, right?

Well well, I got news for you. So does Allah, so does Zeus. The different Gods of African religions also in their Infinite wisdom Have the right to kill, punish and demand whatever sacrifice or payment.

If your God isn't a wicked entity, I don't see why they should be labelled wicked and pointless killings.

Unless you can prove that right actually belongs to your yahweh and not others you are in effect blowing Hot air and Have NO right to criticise.

Why should we make an exception for you? The Gods in their infinite wisdom too requested people to be killed, Cry me a river.

and even with a handsful of incidents which was perpetuated by jews in a state of warfare in the old testament im at aloss how anyone will compare this to the level and quantum of continuous bloodshed that went on in african in the pre colonial times not only did they do the same thing you pointed out in the bible amongst each other,they went further to make slaves of themselves and then in adittion human and babies sacrifice which im suprised you didnt even mention and show me where that was in the bible

First thing, I have shown u instances where babies were murdered in cold blood in your same bible AS an Intruction from Your GOD. Whether you murdered a baby for sacrifice or as an instruction from your "lord" no one gives a mess, still the same thing.

Make slaves of themselves? This dude thinks its only afriqicans that enslaved one another. Go read up.

and lastly its not only christian missionaries who did but what they went through doing what they did not only liberated the most vulnerable in african society i.e[b] women who were treated worse than slaves,twin babies,so called witches and wizards on the say so of a "medicine man" continous human sacrifice[/b].
have you seen the movie apocalypto,hope you realise its a true story?

Women treated worse than slaves? Erm, what was the punishment for witches and wizards in your bible, pray tell me? Where women treated any better in the bible?

you have a right to your african traditional believes but dont rationalise the decimation ignorance bloodshed slavery they broughtand perpetuated in africa pre colonial times,it is nothing compared to either the bible nor the quran do a quick census of how many gods only amongst the yorubas,ibos,and other tribes and then imagine the quantum of innocent souls that have been slaughtered enuff said!

You think like a child, no offence. You think the atrocities mentioned in that book called the bible is all that there is to it? According to your warped logic the only people killed in the bible are the ones recorded.

And its also foolish to compare the imagine death toll caused by One tribe in the bible to the hundreds of thousands of different/diverse tribes in Africa. Do all african traditional religions practice the same thing? Where they all involved in human sacrifice? Did they all do baby sacrifices? Where they all burying slaves alive? Where they all Killing Twins? Did the sango worshipper kill twins? Did the mgwali worshipper in arua village bury slaves alive?

Talk about " rationalise the decimation ignorance bloodshed slavery they broughtand perpetuated", Fact is, Your God brought same in the OT, Your weak attempts to justify them nonetheless.

Your Religious History is very much as DIRTY as any african religion out there. I repeat, YOU HAVE NO MORAL GROUND to condemn.

GODSON2009:

of course i see the similarities but only in words not in deed which you have to admit makes all the difference,where in the bible did GOD or christians sanction the sacrifice of human beings to bring rain? and i can assure you that christianity teaches no such thing, definitely no

Again you keep denying the "deeds". Words eh. Blood was shed as " commanded", "prophesied" and "planned". 2000 years ago. As "payment" for Sins and for mercy. The DEED was done.

We are talking about principle here. If your God is allowed to accept Human blood (as was shed on calvary) as atonement for "sins" why the hell shouldn't the next God on mount Olympus do the same?

blood was shed on the cross yes,but before running haywire with your own conclusions hope you realise that it wasnt the christians that killed him?it is however our believe that irrespective of whoever did the killing,he allowed it to happen as a remission of our sins,

What is this? What does it matter if he was killed by aliens? Fact it is claimed his purpose here on earth was to DIE for YOU aka INCLUDING CHRISTIANS, it isn't supposed to matter who pulled the trigger him , according to your teachings YOU did. With your SINS.

The important fact here is Human blood was shed for your sins. So it was planned by your God from the beginning.

he does not require the shedding of human blood,the blood of his son was shed by the romans/jews which he told us and we believe was for a specific purpose i.e cleansing our sins,

He does not require blood sacrifice yet he orchestrates the coming and killing of a human as atonement for sins. If he does not require it, why accept it in the first place? Why send the son to earth? Why not send his only begotten goat, cow or donkey?

Fact; YOUR GOD accepted Human sacrifice for atonement of Sins. That is the principle we are working with here.

its like the family of a murder victim saying their family member died for a higher/specific purpose,that doesnt mean that the perpetuator is the family or that the police will not charge and jail the perpetuator of the crime

This is ridiculous. Firstly how was Jesus a victim? Why did he come to earth? Severally when he alluded to a purpose what was it, to come and turn water into wine? In your fit to wring yourself out of your contradictions you are just making terrible Blunders, Did the Jews really have a choice? Something which had been prophesied and designed by God and yet jesus is the victim here?


A family that orchestrates the murder of a son to atone for debt owed to them by others is a psychopathic family and should all be in jail.

are you really rationalising the wholesale bloodshed and human sacrifices during the days of old especially pre colonial times with tis argument?

No. I'm not rationalising anything. I am just telling you to get off your high-horse and stop raising up your own faith like its any cleaner or christianity is any better when your foundations are as rotten. Your hands are dirty too. Don't be a self-contradicting Hypocrite.

GODSON2009:

when you say old teatament,where in the old testament did christian murdered babies in cold blood or killed people in cold blood re occurently

Oh, check out one of many instances below.
I samuel 15 ;3

3  And God said, Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all they have; do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.

The cannanites got the same treatment too, all innocent babies wiped out. Talk about babarism. And you feel u have the moral standing to criticize?

*how about leaving babies who are twins in the evil forest to slowly and systematically starve to death,some of those babies were reportedly killed by soldier ants crawling through their mouths and noses can you imagine that kind of death for an innocent child?

Oh really? I guess the babies in 1samuel 15; 3 are not innocent. Infact they are hardened criminals, Bad babies!

*burying slaves with dead kings to serve them in the after life

Slavery in itself is such a barbaric act and is not something that any holy book should condone. We being exploited for slavery should know better.

That the act of enslavement of a fellow human being in itself was tolerated in your bible and your God is enough indictment.

*pointless killing of people to celebrate their god's anniversary

Hahahah, do u even read your own bible? Pointless killing of people?

Talk about pointless, Killing 70,000 people because someone else refused to d a census "properly".

1 chronicles 21 1 -15

1  SATAN [an adversary] stood up against Israel and stirred up David to number Israel.
2  David said to Joab and the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba to Dan, and bring me the total, that I may know it.
3  And Joab answered, May the Lord multiply His people a hundred times! But, my lord the king, are they not all my lord’s servants? Why then does my lord require this? Why will he bring guilt upon Israel?
4  But the king’s word prevailed against Joab. So Joab departed and went throughout all Israel and came to Jerusalem.
5  Joab gave the total number of the people to David. And all of Israel were 1,100,000 who drew the sword, and of Judah 470,000 who drew the sword.
6  But Levi and Benjamin he did not include among them, for the king’s order was detestable to Joab.
7  And God was displeased with this [reliance on human resources], and He smote Israel.
8  And David said to God, I have sinned greatly because I have done this thing. But now, I beseech You, take away the hateful wickedness of Your servant; for I have done very foolishly. 9  And the Lord said to Gad, David’s seer,
10  Go and tell David, Thus says the Lord: I offer you three things; choose one of them, that I may do it to you. 11  So Gad came to David and said to him, Thus says the Lord: Take which one you will:
12  Either three years of famine, or three months of devastation before your foes, while the sword of your enemies overtakes you, or else three days of the sword of the Lord and pestilence in the land, and the angel of the Lord destroying throughout all the borders of Israel. Now therefore, consider what answer I shall return to Him Who sent me.
13  And David said to Gad, I am in great and distressing perplexity; let me fall, I pray you, into the hands of the Lord, for very great and many are His mercies; but let me not fall into the hands of man.
14  So the Lord sent a pestilence upon Israel, and there fell of Israel 70,000 men. 15  God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it, and as he was destroying, the Lord beheld, and He REGRETTED and relented of the EVIL and said to the destroying angel, It is enough; now stay your hand. And the angel of the Lord stood by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Pointless killings indeed. Smh

totally
agree with you when you use the words "white men"however to clarify i meant genuine white missionaries,big difference while the white soldiers of fortune,business people etc were pillaging and taking africans as slaves dont forget many missionaries died of tse tse fly,malaria etc to spread the gospel and liberate innocent people from certain death, to accurately put my points inperspective you should go back and watch the stepping stones documentary of the child witches of akwa ibom

BIG deal! So what? Is it only so-called "christian missionaries" that have done good works? Even cults today are actively involved in charity. Most faiths do that. Dream up another line

JeSoul:

Infact, I am just speechless. Wow. Tudor you're a survivor men. Whether you like it or not, I just thanked God for your life. Abeg speediest and fullest of recovery be yours. Did they catch the scum who shot you?

Thanks a lot sister. The fools who capped me are still running wild. I'll have my revenge one way or the other. Legal or illegal. Nuff said.

GODSON2009:

dude,you r playing russian roullete with your life because of a brand new car? is the car a daimler benz or a rolls or maserati or ferrari for you to dare ruthless armed robbers who have nothing to lose?
i left a brand new car with the nigerian police when they detained me and asked me to prove ownership as soon as they started acting funny untill my dad sent a driver to go sort it out later talk less of armed robbers

Russian Roulette ko, Chinese Chopsticks ni.

Nothing to lose? Those fukers shot my unarmed friend who was lying face down in the back TWICE.

We saw their faces very clearly. They just 'attemptedmurdered' my friend and took me away you think they gonna leave witnesses around?

I would still have been shot if I disabled my car security. I anit friggin losing both ways so I thought. I'd rather die fighting with dignity than being robbed like a fool and shot nonetheless.

Just seeing my car there alone gave me joy which at that moment felt like the most euphoric feeling of happiness I've ever had in my life. Don't worry , you'll never understand until you are there.

Deep Sight:

You are kidding! Omg, hope you are feeling better? Where did this happen? Man, thank God for life o.

MyJoe:

Omg! That must have been traumatic. Glad you are alive and recovering. I'm wondering where, too? Hope it's not that you came to Naija for Christmas and ran into em boys! I'm doing good.

Thanks for your concern guys, I'm getting better now.

Na, it wasn't in Naija, I was supposed to travel back for xmas the next week. On that night I went out with one of my ex-CU dudes. We went to several parties and then a bar, by the time it was 11pm I had drunk soo much, I told waxy to drive. As we were on our way home we we're crossed and some gun wielding men and boys came, pulled us out, asked for the owner of the car I said I was, they knocked waxy in the head and shot him in the back then took me in and drove off to a secluded place.

Asked me to disable the security system and tracker I said fu,ck no, I am not losing two new cars in the space of 1 year next thing I was slapped and then the shots began they all shot at me. Funny enuf I wasn't feeling much pain

There I lay for almost an hour bleeding and No one was coming. I was bleeding seriously, felt myself going, started feeling cold and thirsty then I started hallucinating seeing some funny stuff. Looked up, saw I still had my car smiled to myself and Next thing I passed out.

Next time I woke it was 2011 january ending. The Docs told me I was a very lucky dude, on the night I was shot I had enuf alcohol in my tummy and system to get 3 men arrested. Said I was near Toxic dose. I should have died from the pain alone from d gun injuries but He said I was so numbed and sedated by the alcohol That's probably what saved my life.

Well since then I have gone through several surgeries to remove some fragments that couldn't be gotten when I was unstable. my folks brought me home and now since I'm stronger I've started proper physio. I plan to be up and running by ending of july when my brother will be graduating from CU.

So don't thank God or god for my life. Thank the nearest bottle of beer, whiskey, gin and scotch. All the days of my life I will forever kiss d bottle. Whoever said alcohol is a bad thing, well tell that to the marines.

@ Godson
I'll be back for you later tonight have an evening session to catch

MyJoe:


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Seems Tudor's back from sabbatical!

Hahahahah, I'm back from the dead. I was Shot several times in a car jacking months ago. I'm home with ma folks started physio 3 weeks ago now I can move better.

Just decided to log on with my cousins blackberry and check what's up. Where is everybody? Hope you are great!

newmi:

Thats why you would soon need an operationg to be done on it get ready your pie is growing real fast

***BIG FAT YAWN***

Did you not see my challenge to you goons? If I said Newmi, please give me the address to the nearest CEC branch in my locality so I can go and be a partner, in 3 seconds you'll be here with links showing detailed addresses, maps with longitude and latitude.

So Newmi I ask you people again, Give me addresses to CEC's social welfare institutions that benefit the poor, Schools, hospitals, hospices, vocational centres, clinics, even common police post, Anything!, Why is this so hard and painful for you people to do?

GODSON2009:

how did you conclude that i was a 'young man' as opposed to 'an old man'

christianity is not founded on ritualistic human sacrifice,in case you didnt realise the old testament was all part of the bible as well,jesus christ offering his body as a sacrifice is largely symbolic of unconditional love and forgiveness this s different totally from your babalawos,oluwos and apenas who need the actual human blood to activate demonic influences and conjurations

like
i have stated christianity never ever promoted nor advocated for human sacrifice unless you care to show me where the bible enjoins thisif you had intelligently and objectively read my comments and understood it in its entirety,you would have realised that the fat book as you refer to it was addressing just one point in a couple that i made which is human sacrifice and bloodshed of africans on their fellow brothers and sisters.

i have never said white people did not shed blood of africans,even a primary school social studies student will tell you that, the point here is that some of their religious crusaders,missionaries saved african babies from sure death to this day either 5 or 10 scottish pounds still has the picture of the incident of twins killing in nigeria including the name of some notable nigerians on its note.

let me intimate you with a few 'facts' from that fat book which you are at liberty to find out yourself
did you know that
ijebu was originally pronounced as ije-ibu in yoruba meaning food for the water/ocean? the paramount king then needed a wide expanse of land to keep the slaves destined to be offered up for the river godess as human sacrifice and they settled on where ijebu is presently situated when it was time they just plucked as many as they wanted and sacrificed them in the river.

did you know that the yoruba kings had to step over the blood of a young male when going inside the inner sanctum housing some gods and when coming out another slave had to be killed this time female for the king to step on the blood?

did you know that in some parts of youba land,human blood was used with other ingredients and applied to kolanut trees in order for a more bountiful yield?

i could go on and on about sacrifices made on behalf of kings,specific times of the year,on behalf of the war generals prince and princesses e.t.c

Just look at this, Jesus' death is symbolic and not human sacrifice?? Hahahahahah Are you in actual fact denying that No blood was shed on the cross of calvary? This is like me putting 6 lead bullets into the head of the next man and claim its not murder but symbolism of my wickedness and psychopathic nature. Yea right!


what is the difference between your "God" requiring the shedding of HUMAN Blood, BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD for forgiveness, mercy and favours and the same principle being required by the traditional religions of old?

As far as the christian God Is concerned, the payment for everything is. BLOOD, HUMAN BLOOD which was shed 2,000 years ago and you have the audacity to question the rationale of old traditional religions who practised human sacrifice? On what Moral Grounds?

If your God has the right to accept Blood payment for everything, why shouldn't others?

GODSON2009:

well how about the shedding of blood for starters?
while our so called progenitors were murdering innocent babies and twins using them to appease the gods,those 'white men' died of tse tse fly to save the children women etc fro your african religion
i was opportuned to read a thick volume owned by my dad which is an history of yorubas,culture and traditions in the pre colonial days and[b] i nearly shed tears on account of the capacity for evil and bloodshed exhibited[/b]
a religion like the african religion that advocates bloodshed and all sorts of evil is just wrong

Hahahahhahahahahhahahhhha. Oh shiit.

This Hypocrite has probably never read the Old Testament. Blood shed? Innocent babies killed? Babaric laws? Murder? Genocide? Plunder? ALL in the Bible.

Infact I challenge you, Name one so-called "evil" aspect of our traditional religion of old and I will show you an equivalent in the old testament. Hypocrites.

Maybe if you really read the "thick volumes" in your fathers library you would see that the sins you deride your " progenitors" for, the "white man" has done far far worse and it was the same man who took your brother and sisters and enslaved them like donkeys that brought this dirty religion of christianity to us. So stop contradicting yourself!

Same Old rubbish, Probably every 6 months, go out one sunday, give food, old clothes, take pictures, videos then come broadcast on LoveTV. What happens to these poor people after?

Where is christ embassies Visible impact on social welfare in Nigeria? Everywhere you go, you see new branches cropping up, ask the next man on the street and they can point you to five christ embassy offices within a 3KM radius. Meanwhile you will probably need US military Intelligence to find in the whole of Nigeria, one Hospice, motherless babies home, free primary health clinic, school, vocational centre for the poor set up by christ embassy.

The early missionaries with not much in terms of cash or resources, built institutions that benefited the poor and many of them still stand to this day 100 years later. Many of you wretched souls have even benefited from such institutions. As we were driving around today I can recall seeing schools, an aged peoples home, motherless babies home, and a clinic set up originally by the early missionaries many many years ago still standing Today. Where are the works of christ embassy? I challenge any CEC member to provide me addresses of such set up by CEC.

Every child is your child by arse, Lying fools

nuclearboy:

Tudor, you can't have it both ways (though I suspect in your case, you did at one time or the other get it up the wrong way).

According to you - there is no God. So it obviously cannot be His fault this young man died.

I just wondered what "value" all the arguments, e-fighting etc added to him and considered the futility of it. If that is too much for you to process, sad. I always knew there was more to the CU and your lovers issue than you let on but to know it climbed all the way up to your brain is saddening.

Shut the hell up there.
Where did bawo ever state he was looking for fulfilment on NL? Did he come to you asking for 'value' to be added to him?

You have in your arrogance effectively labelled it all 'futile'. How DARE you?
He chose to live HIS life the way he saw fit. You are in NO position to consider anything 'futile'.

If you're looking for someones life to turn into a whiteboard lesson so you can gloat in your self-righteous hypocrisy then I suggest you kill one of your family members then start considering the 'futility' of every single detail in his/her life. Rubbish

This is like an AL-Qaeda sympathizer coming to condole me on the death of my friend. Smh. . .are u friggin' kidding me?

Did people just start dying today? What bloody lesson can we learn that we don't already know.

Are you not the same terrorist nuclearboy that claimed your god can send anyone to kill in his name and is perfectly moral? How are we sure it isn't you who the terrorist yahweh sent to off bawomolo because of his atheistic views? Hypocrite

davidylan:

One gunner down but not out! It is well bro . . . we exchanged sharp words but you depart with my respect for you intact.
Arsenal will do this weekend in your honor.

'Sharp words' indeed. Infact looking at the scale of the vitriol you threw his way, I think you are the number 1 suspect for this murder.

I just saw the news feed, recognised the name and location then decided to come to nairaland out of my busy day to confirm. Has anyone actually confirmed it's him not rubbish guesses/conjectures?