B2mario:
gov. Mbadinuju and gov. Udenwa supported it before. And had it been it was created, both of them would have fallen in the same state. Sen. Hope Uzodimma and Sen. Chris Ngige supported it and Hope Uzodimma knew what would have been his fate if the state was created then. So if Gov. Hope and Gov. Soludo fall into the new state they know how to settles their scores.

And pls we are not forcing anybody. Any Anambra community that doesn't want to be part of the state should be carved out. The real people in Anambra that will be part of the new state know themselves. Anambra has nothing to offer aside business. Those Orsu and Isu clans in Anambra state since the creation, what have they benefitted from the state if not them removing from their sweat to give the state. Brother, shun this fantastic pride, Anambra has nothing and nothing to offer.

Only that her citizens love defending it even when they know that there is nothing in the state apart from their hard earned sweat invested in it. Orlu will provide them with many better opportunities and reintegrate them with their Orsu and Isu kins in Imo state. The new state will be the new pride of southeast as 70% of Igbo known billionaires will fall in the new state. The new state will be the moving training as over 70% of Anambra billionaires from either from Isu or Orsu clan of the state likewise in Imo state will fall in the new state.

I am not from any of the states involved.
What I am saying is that the state creation might trigger constitutional crisis and you can't rule that out.
A new state that will be home to two governors presiding over two other states , how will you explain that ?

Orlu state creation is driven of convetousness of Orlu people. After years of rulling imo, na to dey cry marginalisation. Dead Aim.

cadmanspize:
Orlu state creation is driven of convetousness of Orlu people. After years of rulling imo, na to dey cry marginalisation. Dead Aim.

1) Anger from Owerri zone against Orlu zone holding on Imo guber office for long, that is what's driving the narrative: "Orlu State makes no sense, give us Anioma as 6th state in the southeast."

2) All the oil producing areas in Imo state are in Orlu senatorial district. Owerri does not want to give up the oil producing areas in Orlu zone. Therefore Owerri started the saying that Orlu state proposal does not make sense, that Anioma instead needs to be made the 6th state in the SE.


But they all in Owerri are supposed to know that Anioma as the 6th state for the southeast area is a huge deprivation of political representation for Nd'Igbo in the SE zone.
After years of Owerri literally seizing all institutions of development for Imo state and located them in Owerri area, it still wants to hold Orlu as forever village side of Imo state.

cadmanspize:
Orlu state creation is driven of convetousness of Orlu people. After years of rulling imo, na to dey cry marginalisation. Dead Aim.

Can we have a definition of Orlu people? To me all the people in the proposed Orlu State are the same including even Mbano, Ikeduru and Mbaitoli. They all speak similar language and are blood relatives.

Amah70:


Do you know: when you make Anioma become sixth state in the SE, you actually reduce the representation of Igbos in the National Assembly and at the FEC? Sit down and do the calculation first.


Land mass is never a yardstick to determine where new federating units like state or region is created.

Advocates of create Anioma as sixth state for the southeast think Orlu will be a master in Orlu state, that's all. But Orlu state will have all government institutions of development distributed in all nooks and crannies of Orlu state.
It's not going to be like Imo state where Owerri literally seized and seizes all government institutions and parastatals that are supposed to induce development in Imo state, but got them all located in Owerri area . Owerri has developed into two to three cities because of the institutions and parastatals in Owerri.
Orlu deteriorated because of denial of government institutions and parastatals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZMVzCC2CA?si=Ohvo0pCyzBM9gZHA
In a Nigeria where Igbo are call minority, dot in a circle after dividing us into small small units and separate us with geopolitical zone sentiment; haven't you been fooled and robbed enough?

Only a fool does not know why the northerners are considered more political powerful than the east. The ppl called northerners comprise'sof different languages (Not even dialect like u hv it in the east). There u will find Hausa, Tivi, Fulani,... But these people were able to unit their selves as one (north), enlarge their coast and increase their voting power. Even westerners understands better and are playing along by adding Anioma to middle west, shifting ur dear Ohaji, Egbema to South south in the restructuring document presented to Tinubu last week. And here u are telling us that Our Igbo brothers from Anioma are not Igbos. Can u just listen to urself?

I tell u again.... By the time ndi Yoruba are done taking Ohaji, Egbema away from u imolits (while u chest shadows) then ur like will tell our grandchildren how Ohaji Egbema people are not Igbos.

Anambra will always choose Anioma over Orlu. As u can see in the video above, Anioma is moving with the speed of light on daily basis.

Chikeluba25:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNZMVzCC2CA?si=Ohvo0pCyzBM9gZHA
In a Nigeria where Igbo are call minority, dot in a circle after dividing us into small small units and separate us with geopolitical zone sentiment; haven't you been fooled and robbed enough?

Only a fool does not know why the northerners are considered more political powerful than the east. The ppl called northerners comprise'sof different languages (Not even dialect like u hv it in the east). There u will find Hausa, Tivi, Fulani,... But these people were able to unit their selves as one (north), enlarge their coast and increase their voting power. And here u are telling us that Our Igbo brothers from Anioma are not Igbos. Can u just listen to urself?

I tell u again.... By the time ndi Yoruba are done taking Ohaji, Egbema away from u imolits (while u chest shadows) then ur like will tell our grandchildren how Ohaji Egbema people are not Igbos.

Anambra will always choose Anioma over Orlu. As u can see in the video above, Anioma is moving with the speed of light on daily basis.

Lol. If you had listened to Sen Ned Nwoko to the end, he never campaigned for Anioma state to be a state in the southeast area.
If he asked the people there they will say no to bringing them in Anioma State to join the southeast area.
Except Asaba area, other Aniomas are the "my name na Chikeluba, but I no be Ibo."
Even Ned Nwoko was Chinedu Nwoko but removed Chi from his name to avoid identification as Igbo.
In 2006, Reps of Orlu zone in the Refotms Conference asked for Orlu state because they knew the nucleus of a denied 6th state in the southeast area should come from Imo West (Orlu) senatorial zone. The State was about to be created as Njaba if not that then Senate President Nnamani threw away the baby with the bathtub. Only a foolish Igbo person would think of Anioma as sixth state in the southeast area; a foolish person who does not understand that it amounts to reducing representation of the Igbos in the federal government system.

@Chikeluba25,

You can't swear how many times you told someone: "my name na Chikeluba, but I am not an Igbo?"
The first time I met one from upper Anioma he told me that if Biafra is restored, his people would not join to be part of it.
Now you want to play on the sentiments of some ill-informed Igbos in the southeast area who say such silly things like bring all Igbos in one zone. These type of Igbos are those that say: "no referendum no Biafra." They don't know what they meant to say.

Fulani is seeking ways to expand to all the zones of Nigeria.
Yoruba are in four states in the Middle belt zone.
FYI, Igbos are the only group in one area. The river Niger does not separate Anioma from the Igbos of the southeast area. More bridges across the river Niger are expected to link Onitsha and Asaba.

The Hausa is in all the three northern zones. So is the Fulani. Worse, it's like diminishing Igbo influence in Nigeria if Anioma is made the 6th state in the southeast area.

Amah70:


Lol. If you had listened to Sen Ned Nwoko to the end, he never campaigned for Anioma state to be a state in the southeast area.
If he asked the people there they will say no to bringing them in Anioma State to join the southeast area.
Except Asaba area, other Aniomas are the "my name na Chikeluba, but I no be Ibo."
Even Ned Nwoko was Chinedu Nwoko but removed Chi from his name to avoid identification as Igbo.
In 2006, Reps of Orlu zone in the Refotms Conference asked for Orlu state because they knew the nucleus of a denied 6th state in the southeast area should come from Imo West (Orlu) senatorial zone. The State was about to be created as Njaba if not that then Senate President Nnamani threw away the baby with the bathtub. Only a foolish Igbo person would think of Anioma as sixth state in the southeast area; a foolish person who does not understand that it amounts to reducing representation of the Igbos in the federal government system.

Ned nwoko has never denied his Igbo identity, I once heard him advocating polygamy among igbos, citing out forefathers who were polygamists. Even though I don't agree with him on that but just to let you know that he never denied his Igbo identity.

About his name, are you also saying that Andy Uba and other igbos whose real name is Nnamdi but chose to shorten it to Andy denied their Igbo identity ?

What about people like Jim lyk ?
Toney Umez ?
Kach Ononuju and many other Igbo that shortened or modified their Igbo names to make it sound exotic ?

A popular radio station in Enugu made this issue a topic of debate in their yesterday evening program and those for anioma overwhelming dominated .
All the callers who are from Anambra spoke against Orlu state including majority from enugu , only few imo callers went for Orlu state.

Orlu state is not popular and that is the fact

Objectivist04:

Ned nwoko has never denied his Igbo identity, I once heard him advocating polygamy among igbos, citing out forefathers who were polygamists. Even though I don't agree with him on that but just to let you know that he never denied his Igbo identity.

About his name, are you also saying that Andy Uba and other igbos whose real name is Nnamdi but chose to shorten it to Andy denied their Igbo identity ?

What about people like Jim lyk ?
Toney Umez ?
Kach Ononuju and many other Igbo that shortened or modified their Igbo names to make it sound exotic ?

A popular radio station in Enugu made this issue a topic of debate in their yesterday evening program and those for anioma overwhelming dominated .
All the callers who are from Anambra spoke against Orlu state including majority from enugu , only few imo callers went for Orlu state.

Orlu state is not popular and that is the fact

In 2006 when this same state was about to be created as Njaba state, why was it popular then? Is it because of the change of name now to Orlu state?
It's popular among the knowledgeable Igbos who are to make decisions on what the name shall be. These hoi polloi will not be there to decide.
There are Gombe, Ekiti, Ondo, Kaduna states; what's wrong with Orlu state?
As for Njaba, there is already Njaba local govt area. So common sense goes for Orlu state, Orlu has been the oldest name for which people in the area identify with.

Above all, given the history of states creation in the southeast, Orlu zone is meant to contribute the nucleus of a sixth state in the southeast area. No amount of radio talkshow in Enugu or Anambra or Owerri, can stop that justice from getting done.

Amah70:


In 2006 when this same state was about to be created as Njaba state, why was it popular then? Is it because of the change of name now to Orlu state?
It's popular among the knowledgeable Igbos who are to make decisions on what the name shall be. These hoi polloi will not be there to decide.
There are Gombe, Ekiti, Ondo, Kaduna states; what's wrong with Orlu state?
As for Njaba, there is already Njaba local govt area. So common sense goes for Orlu state, Orlu has been the oldest name for which people in the area identify with.

Above all, given the history of states creation in the southeast, Orlu zone is meant to contribute the nucleus of a sixth state in the southeast area. No amount of radio talkshow in Enugu or Anambra or Owerri, can stop that justice from getting done.

This is democracy and democracy is all about majority, even those in the national assembly are there because the majority of their constituents voted for them.
If the majority of those that matters are for Anioma their is no way it will not fly,
People who are supposed to be part of the so called Orlu state are kicking against it and you are still optimistic, if that is not delusion then I don't know how to describe it again.

You have labelled all the Imo governors of
Orlu descent incompetent and you want others to come and join you in your so called Orlu state, people that couldn't develope their zone despite dominating the leadership of Imo state.

Objectivist04:

This is democracy and democracy is all about majority, even those in the national assembly are there because the majority of their constituents voted for them.
If the majority of those that matters are for Anioma their is no way it will not fly,
People who are supposed to be part of the so called Orlu state are kicking against it and you are still optimistic, if that is not delusion then I don't know how to describe it again.

You have labelled all the Imo governors of
Orlu descent incompetent and you want others to come and join you in your so called Orlu state, people that couldn't develope their zone despite dominating the leadership of Imo state.

What part of Igbo land do you come from, assuming you are Igbo? Are you not from Owerri zone?

The leadership of Orlu senatorial zone does not end at the governors from the zone who swore they are building Owerri to international standards or to designer's delight; while Orlu and most of the zone deteriorated.
Only ignoramuses or crooks in Igbo land hiding on some primitive parochial interest would be asking for injustice be done - that's deny the Orlu area what it merits as the 6th state for the southeast.

By the way, they don't create states on the Internet. There are votes in areas included in a proposed state. You will use army to stop people in places like Uli, Amorka, Uga etc in Anambra south, from voting for Orlu state. A lot of these places were under Orlu Division before state creation, they are still under Orlu Dioceses in the church.

Owerri from the other side

Objectivist04:

This is democracy and democracy is all about majority, even those in the national assembly are there because the majority of their constituents voted for them.
If the majority of those that matters are for Anioma their is no way it will not fly,
People who are supposed to be part of the so called Orlu state are kicking against it and you are still optimistic, if that is not delusion then I don't know how to describe it again.

You have labelled all the Imo governors of
Orlu descent incompetent and you want others to come and join you in your so called Orlu state, people that couldn't develope their zone despite dominating the leadership of Imo state.

You are from Nsukka. Little wonder.
You demonize Orlu state but crave Adada state.

After Enugu State was divided to get major part of Ebonyi state, whereas Imo state remains same, only a brain dead fellow can advocate for Enugu State to be divided again, carve out Nsukka area for a sixth state for the southeast area, but leave Owerri, Orlu and Okigwe areas still in one Imo state.

Objectivist04:

Ned nwoko has never denied his Igbo identity, I once heard him advocating polygamy among igbos, citing out forefathers who were polygamists. Even though I don't agree with him on that but just to let you know that he never denied his Igbo identity.

About his name, are you also saying that Andy Uba and other igbos whose real name is Nnamdi but chose to shorten it to Andy denied their Igbo identity ?

What about people like Jim lyk ?
Toney Umez ?
Kach Ononuju and many other Igbo that shortened or modified their Igbo names to make it sound exotic ?

A popular radio station in Enugu made this issue a topic of debate in their yesterday evening program and those for anioma overwhelming dominated .
All the callers who are from Anambra spoke against Orlu state including majority from enugu , only few imo callers went for Orlu state.

Orlu state is not popular and that is the fact

You have said it all bro. Anyone can believe whatever he want to believe just to feel good but that can not stop the truth in anyway.

Amah70:


1) proposed Anioma State as 6th state in the SE zone is like lowering political representation of Igbos in the National Assembly and in the Federal Executive Council; further disadvantages from Nigeria's Quota System against the Igbos. You pretend you don't know these, pretend to be a dunce, because you don't want Orlu to leave Owerri. But you call Orlu underdeveloped village.


2) From the history of states creation in the SE zone; a 6th state in the SE zone must be created from Imo and Anambra States or from any of the two states; Imo State most favoured to bring the 6th state.
How? Old Anambra State yielded the largest chunk of Ebonyi state which is the 5th state in the SE zone. Therefore, old Imo state is ripe to yield the largest chunk for a 6th state in the SE zone.

1) Proposed Anioma state will not lower political representation of Igbos in the National Assembly and in the Federal Executive Council; Instead it will increase the Nigeria's Quota System of Ndi Igbo.
You speak as if the proposed Anioma state are not Igbo ethnic.
2) Secondly, you pretend you don't know that Nigeria is in a democratic government and majority carries the vote system.
The representatives of Ozubulu, Ihiala LGA, Umunze, Uga, Ohaji and the Abians communities have denounced and rejected to be part of the proposed Orlu state.
So how do you think your imaginary Orlu state will come to exist?
Imo state with a landmass of 5,530 which is the 3rd smallest state in Nigeria is not capable enough to yield any new state.

Orlu state is a dead on arrival, and will never work.

Abagworo:


I don't know why some of you think like stone age men that use every opportunity to denigrate themselves and make themselves appear very cheap before onlookers . The past State creations and future State creations have and will always be based on administrative convenience and balance of development. The Orlu State proposal and reactionof people like you shows you don't know past history nor present history of the areas involved in this creation. No part of the Orlu State is richer than the other in any way. You can't say Uga is richer than Akokwa or Umuchu is richer than Njaba or Umuaka is richer than Uli. Everywhere in the proposed State are full of multimillionaires but they are the most affected by the recent insecurity in both States. The reason the Orlu State is not needed is not because of the fake Anambra ethnicity but because Southeast is small and if you remove Northern Imo and Southern Anambra to form a State the remaining States will be too small and the new State will be a problem as it has nearly same population density as Lagos. There is no land for mega projects except maybe at Ohaji and Oguta LGAs which are boundary and not central. Anioma is the best bet for a new Igbo speaking State while the minorities should also be tolerated.

In Igboland, there's nothing like Orlu state or Orlu origin.
I know some communities in the present Orlu zone that traced their origins to Omambala or other regions in Igboland.
A community like Umudioka in Orlu zone traced their origin to Umudioka in Dunukofia LGA, Anambra state, and they still pay homage to Umudioka community in Anambra state.

Anambra is not a fake ethnicity, it's known to be a state of Igbo ethnic group. It's a Monolithic Igbo State that's why the Anambra communities that are included in the already failed proposed Orlu state said "they are comfortable and proud to remain in Anambra State".

Amah70:


Lol. If you had listened to Sen Ned Nwoko to the end, he never campaigned for Anioma state to be a state in the southeast area.
If he asked the people there they will say no to bringing them in Anioma State to join the southeast area.
Except Asaba area, other Aniomas are the "my name na Chikeluba, but I no be Ibo."
Even Ned Nwoko was Chinedu Nwoko but removed Chi from his name to avoid identification as Igbo.
In 2006, Reps of Orlu zone in the Refotms Conference asked for Orlu state because they knew the nucleus of a denied 6th state in the southeast area should come from Imo West (Orlu) senatorial zone. The State was about to be created as Njaba if not that then Senate President Nnamani threw away the baby with the bathtub. Only a foolish Igbo person would think of Anioma as sixth state in the southeast area; a foolish person who does not understand that it amounts to reducing representation of the Igbo in the federal government system.

Even me I'm surprised on how some Igbo can be so dumb and foolish at the same time. All through the purported presentation by Ned Nwoko on the floor of national assembly he never mentioned anything Igbo or South East but was solely advocating for Anioma state for their own interest only. The Igbo, mainly Anambra people that are claiming that Anioma people are been influenced by them in Anambra state and are crusading for the creation of Anioma state are also basing their argument on what former governor Okowa said during his last presidential campaign with Atuku. I wonder how normal Igbo could take such speech from a Nigeria politician serious. Whether Rotimi Amaechi, Okowa, Ned and many more who are not from core Igbo states should be taking serious on whatever they said during campaign, for they are not truth from their heart. Go back to them when campaign is over and tell them they are Igbo then you will hear the real jist. I have met so many Delta Igbo and I can tell you, out of hundred only a handful, maybe five of them will tell you they are Igbo, the rest will almost want to fight you if you dare tell them they are Igbo. I honestly wouldn't know where these Anambra people got this false believe that Anioma people are now suddenly influenced by them to align themselves with them, the Anambra people as Igbo. I just don't know how so many Igbo have degenerated to a mockery situation and act like people with low brain. Again that is not to say I'm in support of Orlu state, NEVER. But Igbo should stop making caricature of themselves by trying to claim and associate with people that doesn't want to have a thing to do with them. Is really very shameful to say the least.

nwadikeokey11:
I don't want to join the bandwagon on this issue of state creation but was only attracted by your comments here. Now if I understand you well, are you by any means implying that Owerri was developed by her indigens therefore Orlu Indigens should go and develop Orlu by themselves? Because that's exactly how your responses to the brother sounds.

"A city has a certain kind of aura about it", yes, Owerri was developed by some efforts of her indigenes.
A city is not only developed by being a state capital or having all the government parastatals, development of a city also depends on the entrepreneurial mindsets and skills of the people living in that particular region. I used Otuocha city as example.

Amah70:


You are from Nsukka. Little wonder.
You demonize Orlu state but crave Adada state.

After Enugu State was divided to get major part of Ebonyi state, whereas Imo state remains same, only a brain dead fellow can advocate for Enugu State to be divided again, carve out Nsukka area for a sixth state for the southeast area, but leave Owerri, Orlu and Okigwe areas still in one Imo state.

Where l. Come from doesn't matter here, you use your mouth to ruin Imo governors of Orlu descent, telling us how they hate their Orlu zone and you want others to join such toxic individuals to form a state ?
Orlu state will be the worst state if created because Orlu people have ruled imo for over 20 years with nothing to show in their zone.
This is not military rule where state creation is by fiat , this is democracy and all these will be put into consideration before anyone agrees to join you.

Orlu zone is not blessed with good leaders so it is either Orlu state made of only Orlu zone is created ( which is not possible ) or you forget it.
Na you talk am here say Orlu governors hate Orlu, so what is the guarantee that those that hate themselves won't even hate others more ?
Orlu people are not being marganalized in imo in fact they have been ruling imo since 1999 so why the cry for Orlu state. ?

I pity any group that will join them

irisher:

"A city has a certain kind of aura about it", yes, Owerri was developed by some efforts of her indigenes.
A city is not only developed by being a state capital or having all the government parastatals, development of a city also depends on the entrepreneurial mindsets and skills of the people living in that particular region. I used Otuocha city as example.

Quit talking rubbish here. You have got no capacity to develop any where. What got Owerri where it is today is the collective resources of Imo state as a whole. Even the allocation coming from the federal government to Imo state which is been used to develop Owerri is not from Owerri zone. Is like saying that Lagos was developed by her indigens and also Abuja. I wonder how wealthy Abuja indigens are to have developed Abuja into what it is today in such a short time. Stop talking rubbish here. I have not heard of any very wealthy Owerri person before. So where did they get the money to develop Owerri. My father lived in Owerri when according to him people used to set trap for rabbit at Ama JK many years ago, so how come those areas are now very developed since Owerri was made the capital of Imo state but it wasn't in those days when it wasn't the state capital. Stop talking nonsense here, nobody is a kid, unless you are.

nwadikeokey11:

I wonder how normal Igbo could take such speech from a Nigeria politician serious. Whether Rotimi Amaechi, Okowa, Ned and many more who are not from core Igbo states should be taking serious on whatever they said during campaign, for they are not truth from their heart. Go back to them when campaign is over and tell them they are Igbo then you will hear the real jist. I have met so many Delta Igbo and I can tell you, out of hundred only a handful, maybe five of them will tell you they are Igbo, the rest will almost want to fight you if you dare tell them they are Igbo. I honestly wouldn't know where these Anambra people got this false believe that Anioma people are now suddenly influenced by them to align themselves with them, the Anambra people as Igbo. I just don't know how so many Igbo have degenerated to a mockery situation and act like people with low brain. Again that is not to say I'm in support of Orlu state, NEVER. But Igbo should stop making caricature of themselves by trying to claim and associate with people that doesn't want to have a thing to do with them. Is really very shameful to say the least.

Based on your blind assertion, that about the 165 Igbo communities in the proposed Anioma state are not Igbo or that you're more core Igbo than them?
And that Ndi Igbo should stop making caricature of themselves by trying to claim and associate with their kith and kin in Delta North...?
Abah, Abala, Anikoko, Abavo, Aboh, Adai, Adonta, Afor, Agbor, Akakpan-Isumpe, Akoku, Akuku-Akumazi, Akumazi-Umuocha, Akwuku-Igbo, Alasime, Alidinma, Alihagu, Amai, Anakwa, Anifekide, Aninwalo, Aniofu, Aniogo, Anioma, Anuregu, Anwai, Asaba, Asaba-Ase, Asaba-Ubulu, Ashaka, Ashama, Atuma, Atuma-Iga
Azagba-Ogwashi
Onya, Oolor-Ogwashi, Otolokpo, Otulu, Owa Nta, Owa-Abi, Owa-Alero, Owa-Ofie, Owa-Oyibo, Owerri-Olubor
Ubulubu, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Ukwu, Ubulu-Unor, Udumeje, Ugboba, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, Ugiliamai, Ukala-Okpunor, Ukala-Okwute, Ukwuani, Ukwunzu, Ukwu-Oba, Umuabu, Umu-Ebu Adonishaka, Umukwem, Umukwota, Umunede, Umuolu, Umute, Umutu, Unor, Unuaja, Usisa, Utagba-Ogbe, Utagba-Unor, Utchi, Ute Aru, Ute Enugu, Utegbeje, Ute-Okpu, Utuoku, Ekuku Agbor, Obetim-uno, Ogbetiti etc. The list is very long, so these communities are not Igbo ethnic to you or that you're more core Igbo than them, never forget that these communities produce the richest and most industrious people in Delta state, which is the second or third state with the richest people in Nigeria.

nwadikeokey11:
Quit talking rubbish here. You have got no capacity to develop any where. What got Owerri where it is today is the collective resources of Imo state as a whole. Even the allocation coming from the federal government to Imo state which is been used to develop Owerri is not from Owerri zone. Is like saying that Lagos was developed by her indigens and also Abuja. I wonder how wealthy Abuja indigens are to have developed Abuja into what it is today in such a short time. Stop talking rubbish here. I have not heard of any very wealthy Owerri person before. So where did they get the money to develop Owerri. My father lived in Owerri when according to him people used to set trap for rabbit at Ama JK many years ago, so how come those areas are now very developed since Owerri was made the capital of Imo state but it wasn't in those days when it wasn't the state capital. Stop talking nonsense here, nobody is a kid, unless you are.

A city has a certain kind of aura about it, so what got Nnewi city developed and business viability is the collective resources of Anambra state as a whole...?
Orlu folks can unite with Owerri zones and develop their regions regardless of not being a state capital.

It's actually amusing that when I was hearing all these lamentations from Orlu people about their marginalization in Imo state, I had no idea that the Orlu zone has been dominant in Imo politics through most of the 4th republic. Okigwe zone that has been more marginalized don't even make 10% of the noise of their Orlu brothers about marginalization. I was also shocked and bemused to find out that the Owerri zone (apparently the eternal oppressors of the Orlu zone), apart from the brief 7 months reign of Ihedioha, has not produced a governor in 24 years! So serious questions need to be asked about what all these governors from the Orlu zone have been doing all these years. How can you be taken seriously when you have been in power for so long, and you still cry about marginalization? It's so bizarre for a people who have dominated the power structure of the state for over 2 decades to be the ones constantly crying about marginalization. I can't think of anything like this anywhere else in Nigeria.

There also doesn't seem to be any wide consultation and broad consensus around the movement. The initiators of the movement, driven ENTIRELY by their own obsessive, selfish motives, seem to have arrogated to themselves, the privilege of representing the interests of other groups that they hope to annex to their new state which they have not adequately consulted (or even made any serious contact with). The arrogance alone of that is off-putting to many of those groups which is why every Anambra community so far included in the Orlu state has been either vehemently opposed or categorically stated that they haven't been part of any serious discourse and two Federal House of Reps members from Anambra have denounced the lack of any consultation. Some Ogbakor groups in Imo as well have similarly rejected being part of such a state - most amusing being the oil-producing communities in the Orlu zone which have claimed to have been marginalized by the same communities who claim they're marginalized by the Owerri cabal.

But what I still want to understand is how a zone which has produced the governor of the state for what would be 23 out of the last 27 years (when Uzodinma's 2nd term concludes) keeps talking about marginalization. I admit I don't fully understand, so maybe someone here can educate me.

irisher:

Based on your blind assertion, that about the 165 Igbo communities in the proposed Anioma state are not Igbo or that you're more core Igbo than them?
And that Ndi Igbo should stop making caricature of themselves by trying to claim and associate with their kith and kin in Delta North...?
Abah, Abala, Anikoko, Abavo, Aboh, Adai, Adonta, Afor, Agbor, Akakpan-Isumpe, Akoku, Akuku-Akumazi, Akumazi-Umuocha, Akwuku-Igbo, Alasime, Alidinma, Alihagu, Amai, Anakwa, Anifekide, Aninwalo, Aniofu, Aniogo, Anioma, Anuregu, Anwai, Asaba, Asaba-Ase, Asaba-Ubulu, Ashaka, Ashama, Atuma, Atuma-Iga
Azagba-Ogwashi
Onya, Oolor-Ogwashi, Otolokpo, Otulu, Owa Nta, Owa-Abi, Owa-Alero, Owa-Ofie, Owa-Oyibo, Owerri-Olubor
Ubulubu, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Ukwu, Ubulu-Unor, Udumeje, Ugboba, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, Ugiliamai, Ukala-Okpunor, Ukala-Okwute, Ukwuani, Ukwunzu, Ukwu-Oba, Umuabu, Umu-Ebu Adonishaka, Umukwem, Umukwota, Umunede, Umuolu, Umute, Umutu, Unor, Unuaja, Usisa, Utagba-Ogbe, Utagba-Unor, Utchi, Ute Aru, Ute Enugu, Utegbeje, Ute-Okpu, Utuoku, Ekuku Agbor, Obetim-uno, Ogbetiti etc. The list is very long, so these communities are not Igbo ethnic to you or that you're more core Igbo than them, never forget that these communities produce the richest and most industrious people in Delta state, which is the second or third state with the richest people in Nigeria.

there is a way these guys from Orlu thinks


Orlu state is a fraud and we will support Anioma

Obi1kenobi:
It's actually amusing that when I was hearing all these lamentations from Orlu people about their marginalization in Imo state, I had no idea that the Orlu zone has been dominant in Imo politics through most of the 4th republic. Okigwe zone that has been more marginalized don't even make 10% of the noise of their Orlu brothers about marginalization. I was also shocked and bemused to find out that the Owerri zone (apparently the eternal oppressors of the Orlu zone), apart from the brief 7 months reign of Ihedioha, has not produced a governor in 24 years! So serious questions need to be asked about what all these governors from the Orlu zone have been doing all these years. How can you be taken seriously when you have been in power for so long, and you still cry about marginalization? It's so bizarre for a people who have dominated the power structure of the state for over 2 decades to be the ones constantly crying about marginalization. I can't think of anything like this anywhere else in Nigeria.

There also doesn't seem to be any wide consultation and broad consensus around the movement. The initiators of the movement, driven ENTIRELY by their own obsessive, selfish motives, seem to have arrogated to themselves, the privilege of representing the interests of other groups that they hope to annex to their new state which they have not adequately consulted (or even made any serious contact with). The arrogance alone of that is off-putting to many of those groups which is why every Anambra community so far included in the Orlu state has been either vehemently opposed or categorically stated that they haven't been part of any serious discourse and two Federal House of Reps members from Anambra have denounced the lack of any consultation. Some Ogbakor groups in Imo as well have similarly rejected being part of such a state - most amusing being the oil-producing communities in the Orlu zone which have claimed to have been marginalized by the same communities who claim they're marginalized by the Owerri cabal.

But what I still want to understand is how a zone which has produced the governor of the state for what would be 23 out of the last 27 years (when Uzodinma's 2nd term concludes) keeps talking about marginalization. I admit I don't fully understand, so maybe someone here can educate me.

Orlu people are naturally covetous and cunning ...they ruined imo state with their attitude

irisher:

"A city has a certain kind of aura about it", yes, Owerri was developed by some efforts of her indigenes.
A city is not only developed by being a state capital or having all the government parastatals, development of a city also depends on the entrepreneurial mindsets and skills of the people living in that particular region. I used Otuocha city as example.

If you truly believe that a city, like Owerri, develops through the ingenuity of its people, why then are you here all day all night in veiled campaign to retain Orlu zone with you in Owerri in Imo state? Okwa ihuru unu, you are cuny like green serpents; that's why you people have used state capital mantra to locate all govt facility for Imo state in Owerri area; govt establishments that should have been evenly distributed all over Imo state to attract human population to all over Imo state for modern development.
There are more thsn than 300,000 staff and students from all the 5 federal government tertiary education institutions in Owerri. Money from the institutions circulate in Owerri. Rest of Imo state deteriorate.
Let Orlu area breathe please. Having Orlu with Owerri in the same state; with Oru-Owerri people swearing that no important government establishment must be located outside Owerri zone; this has led to Owerri state unofficially.

Obi1kenobi:
It's actually amusing that when I was hearing all these lamentations from Orlu people about their marginalization in Imo state, I had no idea that the Orlu zone has been dominant in Imo politics through most of the 4th republic. Okigwe zone that has been more marginalized don't even make 10% of the noise of their Orlu brothers about marginalization. I was also shocked and bemused to find out that the Owerri zone (apparently the eternal oppressors of the Orlu zone), apart from the brief 7 months reign of Ihedioha, has not produced a governor in 24 years! So serious questions need to be asked about what all these governors from the Orlu zone have been doing all these years. How can you be taken seriously when you have been in power for so long, and you still cry about marginalization? It's so bizarre for a people who have dominated the power structure of the state for over 2 decades to be the ones constantly crying about marginalization. I can't think of anything like this anywhere else in Nigeria.

There also doesn't seem to be any wide consultation and broad consensus around the movement. The initiators of the movement, driven ENTIRELY by their own obsessive, selfish motives, seem to have arrogated to themselves, the privilege of representing the interests of other groups that they hope to annex to their new state which they have not adequately consulted (or even made any serious contact with). The arrogance alone of that is off-putting to many of those groups which is why every Anambra community so far included in the Orlu state has been either vehemently opposed or categorically stated that they haven't been part of any serious discourse and two Federal House of Reps members from Anambra have denounced the lack of any consultation. Some Ogbakor groups in Imo as well have similarly rejected being part of such a state - most amusing being the oil-producing communities in the Orlu zone which have claimed to have been marginalized by the same communities who claim they're marginalized by the Owerri cabal.

But what I still want to understand is how a zone which has produced the governor of the state for what would be 23 out of the last 27 years (when Uzodinma's 2nd term concludes) keeps talking about marginalization. I admit I don't fully understand, so maybe someone here can educate me.

Development does not come from nothing.

Visit Imo state, go to Owerri 1, and Owerri 2, and to the other once rural areas in Owerri senatorial district now turning into urban centres; now Visit Orlu Municipal LGA and other places in Orlu zone.

After your visit, if you don't conclude that Imo state is a huge FRAUD against Orlu senatorial zone, you lie even to yourself. Don't forget that in 1976, the difference in modern development between Owerri and Orlu is minimal.
Truth is that before 1999, all federal and state institutions that are meant to induce human and economic development in all areas of Imo state were located by Oru-Owerri people in Owerri using state capital mantra. What do you expect Orlu to develop with?
Oru-Owerri knew that before long, Orlu state would come to be, hence Oru-Owerri people fought for all government institutions and parastatals in Imo state be located in Owerri zone.

Obi1kenobi:
It's actually amusing that when I was hearing all these lamentations from Orlu people about their marginalization in Imo state, I had no idea that the Orlu zone has been dominant in Imo politics through most of the 4th republic. Okigwe zone that has been more marginalized don't even make 10% of the noise of their Orlu brothers about marginalization. I was also shocked and bemused to find out that the Owerri zone (apparently the eternal oppressors of the Orlu zone), apart from the brief 7 months reign of Ihedioha, has not produced a governor in 24 years! So serious questions need to be asked about what all these governors from the Orlu zone have been doing all these years. How can you be taken seriously when you have been in power for so long, and you still cry about marginalization? It's so bizarre for a people who have dominated the power structure of the state for over 2 decades to be the ones constantly crying about marginalization. I can't think of anything like this anywhere else in Nigeria.

There also doesn't seem to be any wide consultation and broad consensus around the movement. The initiators of the movement, driven ENTIRELY by their own obsessive, selfish motives, seem to have arrogated to themselves, the privilege of representing the interests of other groups that they hope to annex to their new state which they have not adequately consulted (or even made any serious contact with). The arrogance alone of that is off-putting to many of those groups which is why every Anambra community so far included in the Orlu state has been either vehemently opposed or categorically stated that they haven't been part of any serious discourse and two Federal House of Reps members from Anambra have denounced the lack of any consultation. Some Ogbakor groups in Imo as well have similarly rejected being part of such a state - most amusing being the oil-producing communities in the Orlu zone which have claimed to have been marginalized by the same communities who claim they're marginalized by the Owerri cabal.

But what I still want to understand is how a zone which has produced the governor of the state for what would be 23 out of the last 27 years (when Uzodinma's 2nd term concludes) keeps talking about marginalization. I admit I don't fully understand, so maybe someone here can educate me.

They say that Owerri people cajole and blackmail them into concentrating on their zone alone, which for me is a funny excuse
They are just simply incompetent and no right thinking people should pair with them to form a state unless their should be a written agreement that nobody from Orlu side should govern the state for at least 24 years, so that they could be thought how to govern.

irisher:

Based on your blind assertion, that about the 165 Igbo communities in the proposed Anioma state are not Igbo or that you're more core Igbo than them?
And that Ndi Igbo should stop making caricature of themselves by trying to claim and associate with their kith and kin in Delta North...?
Abah, Abala, Anikoko, Abavo, Aboh, Adai, Adonta, Afor, Agbor, Akakpan-Isumpe, Akoku, Akuku-Akumazi, Akumazi-Umuocha, Akwuku-Igbo, Alasime, Alidinma, Alihagu, Amai, Anakwa, Anifekide, Aninwalo, Aniofu, Aniogo, Anioma, Anuregu, Anwai, Asaba, Asaba-Ase, Asaba-Ubulu, Ashaka, Ashama, Atuma, Atuma-Iga
Azagba-Ogwashi
Onya, Oolor-Ogwashi, Otolokpo, Otulu, Owa Nta, Owa-Abi, Owa-Alero, Owa-Ofie, Owa-Oyibo, Owerri-Olubor
Ubulubu, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Okiti, Ubulu-Ukwu, Ubulu-Unor, Udumeje, Ugboba, Ugbodu, Ugbolu, Ugiliamai, Ukala-Okpunor, Ukala-Okwute, Ukwuani, Ukwunzu, Ukwu-Oba, Umuabu, Umu-Ebu Adonishaka, Umukwem, Umukwota, Umunede, Umuolu, Umute, Umutu, Unor, Unuaja, Usisa, Utagba-Ogbe, Utagba-Unor, Utchi, Ute Aru, Ute Enugu, Utegbeje, Ute-Okpu, Utuoku, Ekuku Agbor, Obetim-uno, Ogbetiti etc. The list is very long, so these communities are not Igbo ethnic to you or that you're more core Igbo than them, never forget that these communities produce the richest and most industrious people in Delta state, which is the second or third state with the richest people in Nigeria.

I don't think you got my brief, did you? I'm not more Igbo than them but I and no body in my state has ever rejected been Igbo or severally publicly denied been Igbo, in fact I and the people of my state are proud to be Igbo and I, we flunt our Igbones wherever I, we go. I, and we are never like over 95% of those your so called Delta Igbo that denies their Igbones and they are the people you are begging to belong to you Igbo. It is so shameful and disgraceful. People are mocking us over this, bro. I have never seen where people are begged, forced and wooed into belonging to where they publicly declared that they are not part of and doesn't wish to belong or associate with. I don't think you have met any of those your alleged Delta Igbo brothers and sisters before who boldly and publicly denied been Igbo. God forbid I regard such people nor beg them to belong to Igbo. I'm satisfied being Igbo and I'm comfortable with those who are proud of the great nation Igbo. To hell with those your so call Delta Igbo who denies been Igbo. Yes they ain't Igbo and will never be, so nothing good that comes to those who are proud Igbo will ever locate such people who denies been Igbo. What you reject and refused can never bless you, bear that in mind.. So yes, I'm more Igbo than them because I boldly affirm my Igbones and publicly declared and defend it wherever I go to. Can your so call Delta Igbo body and publicly declare and defend the nation called Igbo when face with any opposition? That's what makes the difference bro

Amah70:


Development does not come from nothing.

Visit Imo state, go to Owerri 1, and Owerri 2, and to the other once rural areas in Owerri senatorial district now turning into urban centres; now Visit Orlu Municipal LGA and other places in Orlu zone.

After your visit, if you don't conclude that Imo state is a huge FRAUD against Orlu senatorial zone, you lie even to yourself. Don't forget that in 1976, the difference in modern development between Owerri and Orlu is minimal.
Truth is that before 1999, all federal and state institutions that are meant to induce human and economic development in all areas of Imo state were located by Oru-Owerri people in Owerri using state capital mantra. What do you expect Orlu to develop with?
Oru-Owerri knew that before long, Orlu state would come to be, hence Oru-Owerri people fought for all government institutions and parastatals in Imo state be located in Owerri zone.

I keep hearing this emboldened narrative, but let's flesh it out a little more. What are all these federal institutions? Universities? How many universities or federal institutions are in Onitsha, and are those federal institutions what attract development to Onitsha? Onitsha doesn't even have a university or polytechnic or any higher institution of learning of any kind. How many people in Onitsha are whining about all the federal and state institutions in Awka? Furthermore, you have conceded that your disadvantage against Owerri is historical and pre-1999 - meaning it's not an ongoing phenomenon. This is the historical advantage state capitals have all over Nigeria and is hardly unique to Imo. Surely, with all these Orlu zone governors in power over the last quarter-century that have commanded the power of the purse, they have had every opportunity to build institutions in Orlu. I mean, at what point do you have to acknowledge that your own leaders have failed you rather than wallow in bitter conspiracies against some Owerri cabal that have only held power for 7 months since 1999. I've heard many cases of marginalization in this country, a lot of of them very legitimate grievances, but the Orlu grievance seems very unique and by far the most ludicrous in the fact that the people crying about marginalization, are the people who have dominated the power structure of the state for almost 3 decades. This doesn't exist anywhere else and just seems absurd.

Government institutions are overrated and not what drives development - except Abuja. The biggest cities in this country are usually historically centers of commerce and industry (Lagos, Ibadan, Kano, Onitsha, Aba, Port Harcourt etc). The historic development of these cities is what has driven state capitals and government institutions to them (cities like Onitsha being an exception) and not the other way round - that if you just site government institutions in a town, everywhere automatically becomes New York. It just seems myopic thinking and you're not holding your leaders accountable for their failures in investing in your communities.

irisher:

A city has a certain kind of aura about it, so what got Nnewi city developed and business viability is the collective resources of Anambra state as a whole...?
Orlu folks can unite with Owerri zones and develop their regions regardless of not being a state capital.

The inhabitants who were attracted to Owerri from all parts of Imo state and beyond because of the federal and state institutions and investment in Owerri not because of the investment or development by the ndigens of Owerri right? Can you name just one known billionaire from Owerri zone, just one. I'm waiting.

Objectivist04:

They say that Owerri people cajole and blackmail them into concentrating on their zone alone, which for me is a funny excuse
They are just simply incompetent and no right thinking people should pair with them to form a state unless their should be a written agreement that nobody from Orlu side should govern the state for at least 24 years, so that they could be thought how to govern.

Of course, I expect there will be conspiracy theories about those devilish cabals of Owerri. But they can't escape the reality that their cries of marginalization are profoundly absurd given the fact that they have held the governorship for what will be almost 24 out of 28 years after Uzodinma's term. I actually believed their cries of marginalization until I read that fact, and now it's just difficult for me to take them seriously. It's the most unserious cry of marginalization I've ever heard. People who are that disingenuous should be feared, because if they can still be crying marginalization with such privileges, then what they are seeking is total dominance and control. All those Anambra communities they want to annex should be fearful of them.