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| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by joshjosh(m): 4:57pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
all these religions that hate God and His people. enemies of God. remember that old song you love the world and the things of this world you love where is the love of God in your heart? your brother is in need you are able to help him you didn't where is the love of God in your life in the name of loving your so called "religion" some of us forget God and His purpose. whoever started this here you wanted to be applauded for hating a fellow human just for standing up to talk on a bus he paid for. why can't i preach on a bus? when i go to ibadan, i can't sleep because of mosque speakers do people complain? next you will asking us to join you stone seun for allowing infidels to post on nairaland. the religion of fear is ugly and evil @@ONEDAYO i thouht only in london can nigerian mole worship on sundays i didn't know nigeria has it's own sunday mole too. if some people bother to look beyond their small mind they will see God and His lovely people rather than people to hate for not doing things your way. i wish to God some of you can be locked up for your religious stupidity. i don't think your God like the image you are portraying He is to people. your hatred of people drives you away from Him. he came for people not uniforms and methods. enough of the mayhem, pain and violence caused by these senseless religions. may God forgive us all and open our eyes to understand what His love and call is for our lives |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 4:59pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@+osisi welcome back . As said earlier, you are a sicko |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Prince22(m): 5:17pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
All, Please, follow PEACE with all men Shun covetousness, argument about religious Serve Gog/Allah with all truth and honest Inspite all, Let us be tolerant, don't add or remove to the word of God/Allah Do the right thing We shall all give account. Peace!! |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by kazey(m): 5:19pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
I try to refrain from participating in any unintellectual approach to debating, like this, especially on Nairaland. Nevertheless I couldn’t help but participate in expressing my observation besides trying to point out that this topic has totally been polluted with hatred from those that have reasons to believe that the posters intentions for creating the topic was non other than to attack christianity and its supposed doctrines. I too honestly think its questionable but nevertheless, I would try to give him the benefit of the doubt. First of, I would agree that the initiator was provocative in his approach to delivering what bothers him in regards to the supposed problem, that is “A christian preaching in a bus”. He claimed he was dissapointed. Perhaps he was dissapointed; this is because he didn’t like the practice, perhaps that’s acceptable, because he has the right to dislike a public expression of opinion or religious doctrines. What I still can’t figure out is the relevance of of bus passenger’s inappreciation of supposed Islamic music to his dislike for bus preachings. He said and I quote “The most annoying situation was in one morning when d so called preacher PASTOR was been anti ISLAM and nearly caused mayhem.” Well “anti-Islam or even anti-Christian” approach to preachings, should not be acceptable be it by a Muslim or a Christian or a member of any religious or non religious belief, in a public bus for the aforementioned reasons. It could cause mayhem or even religious riot in a fragile country like Nigeria. The question is do you agree or don’t you agree that it is alright to express ones anti religious sentiments in the platform of a public bus. If your answer is the later, then it should be alright for any person to insult your beliefs in public or rather in a bus, on the basis of supposed freedom of expression in public places because you are a very tolerant human being. Where do we draw the line when it comes to freedom of expression. The initator said also and I quote “I love christainity, my friends, relatives are Christians but as a Muslim i always respect their religious opinions.” If that is so, I guess @bicey your reason for bringing up your “disappointments” is questionable; this is because, if you respect a religious opinion, you wouldn’t mind a public expression of religious opinions without anti religious sentiments. Perhaps I did not understand your context of saying so? Perhaps you are confused with exactly what you wanted. Perhaps you wanted to have a moment of silence in a Bus on a journey back home from work? Or perhaps it’s just that you think it’s not an appropriate venue for such discussions? Or perhaps some other valid reasons, that could seat un-provocatively in a tolerant community? With this I could not but agree that apparently you have valid reasons and no other questionable intentions for starting a debate like this. To other posters that were provoked, I have to say that you have really expressed who you are and what you believe. I must say that almost all of your arguments are not valid and they are very flawed. The observations I made from your re battles are:- 1. If people share the same beliefs, and a member of that particular sharing group exhibits intolerance and is easily provoked, every member must exhibit that personality trait too, in what philosopher’s term as “hasty generalization”. This hence prevents any member of that particular group from expressing their reservations or displeasures because they are all apparently guilty in what is called “Tu quoque”. 2. [/b]Instead of attacking the matter of discuss, you attacked the personality of that person, which is very irrelevant to the topic nor does it present your opinions, but rather shows how narrow minded and immature you are. This approach to that kind of argument is otherwise called [b]an ad hominem argument. Hasty generalization is a logical fallacy of faulty generalization by reaching an inductive generalization based on insufficient evidence. It commonly involves basing a broad conclusion upon the statistics of a survey of a small group that fails to sufficiently represent the whole population. Tu quoque (Latin for "Thou, too" or "Thou, also"  is an argument that asserts or implies that a certain position is false or wrong and/or should be disregarded because its proponent fails to act consistently in accordance with that position; it attempts to show that a criticism or objection applies equally to the person making it.An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin: "argument to the man", "argument against the man" consists of replying to an argument or factual claim by attacking or appealing to a characteristic or belief of the person making the argument or claim, rather than by addressing the substance of the argument or producing evidence against the claim. The process of proving or disproving the claim is thereby subverted, and the argumentum ad hominem works to change the subject.Honestly I think we should be a more tolerant and more well mannered human beings, no matter what our creed, beliefs or race are, because in the end, we all want the same things, “Peace and Harmony” and I am very sure that all of us have friends and family members, be it in extended or immediate links, of different beliefs and faith. Apparently you don't battle daily with those members? |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Nobody: 5:24pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
ayinba1: I am not David and will never become his poop. After all, i sometimes disagree with him. But if applauding common sense over stupidity and darkness is what you meant by being a poop; then 2008 edition of the dictionary will redefine poop as being objective and fair. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by princeonx: 5:28pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@bicey: and whats your point? whats wrong with my opinion? does practising what one believe make them better than those that don't? or make their believe the best? make a point! spell what you have on mind and lets hear it! |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 5:29pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@nuzo Ok That was meant for you if you were David or his poop. This is a guy who hates Islam and Muslims. He declared this himself. I would be insulting a lot of decent people if I call him Christian. Listen, you don't want to be involved in this unless of course you are the same guy. Again look at your posting style. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 5:34pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@princeonx or whatever you call yourself Much as I really really wanted to ignore you, I would like to say "get a pair of reading glasses" and quote where I have regarded David as a Christian. I am sure you and David do not hate muslims. Stay out of it because oo lemi e |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Nobody: 5:38pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@ayinba1 What's my posting style like? Like that of David or what? Check out my opinion on the issue once more: It's nuisance to preach loudly in the bus. It's heartbreaking for mosques to disturbs peoples' eardrum 5 times in a day( especially in the morning). It's sad for churches to harass people with loudspeakers on Sundays. It's ignorance for people to convert play grounds to praying grounds. The only way to avoid these nuisance is to have an effective civil and criminal laws in this failed state. But until then, the poster which seems to be pot should learn not to call kettle black. BLACK AFRICANS ARE FIRST CLASS RELIGIOUS FANATICS. ONE OF THE REASONS WE MAY NEVER PROGRESS No apologies if you find it offensive. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Dawid: 5:47pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
ayinba1: Every word drips with hate . . . every line infused with curses, every post a subliminal message of violence. Is it any wonder that some can carry bombs and blow themselves up for allah? There is no attempt to address the issues . . . no attempt to rationally explain her faith . . . she cries "change your ways" and like someone astutely observed . . . "change to what"? I am not merely a christian . . . i am a Child of God . . . filled with the Holy Spirit and hidden under the mighty arms of Jesus Christ. That is something you as a slave can never aspire to be . . . you may serve 1000yrs in the courts of your slave master but you can never be a heir of salvation . . . i was redeemed by His precious blood while yet in sin . . . i did not deserve His grace yet He found me and made me a vessel unto honor . . . The words of Christ are a two-edged sword . . . they are an inspiration, a light to my feet and a lamp to my path . . . unfortunately that same Word is a rock of offense to you which is why your spirit is crying out in pain. I do not hate muslims . . . there is no reason to. Read your quran, look at the verses filled with hate, vile curses and abominations towards jews and christians. I have nought but the utmost pity for you . . . my God is a merciful Saviour . . . at the same time He is a Comsuming Fire. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ifyalways(f): 5:48pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
na real waooooooooooo for here ! @topic 80% Of those bus preachers in nigeria are not christains pls.they are either drug peddlars,beggers or drug addicts trying to fend for theirselves.the preaching/singing and praying is just a marketing technique. they preach/pray and sing to get ppls attention,after that the drugs comes popping out,the war stories or accident stories comes flowing.its simply poverty !.nigerians are religious ppl and those beggars,drug peddlars and addicts know that. come to think of it,we have a choice.we can either come down take another bus or better still play games with our phone.just what i have observed anyway. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Dawid: 5:55pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
ifyalways: when muslims wake us up every 5am with their loudspeakers we dont go their and burn down the mosque or make complaints to the local authorities or put up 1000 hate-filled threads on NL about it. We simply turn our radio to the highest volume or hiss, roll over in bed and promptly go back to sleep. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Nobody: 5:59pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
ayinba1: Is that suppose to be a threat? If it is, i will always defend what i said in any part of Nigeria anytime. I dont hide behind computers. It's just that i'm afraid of being the timed bomb Nigeria has been waiting for. And last time i checked, this thread and site is owned by one Seun and not Ayinba 1 and David. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 6:52pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
ifyalways you got it right. Anyone that hates the preachers on the buses should do what we do when the "call to prayer" blares out on a silent night We turn on our transistor radio and listen to Luciano Pavorotti  or Andrea Bocelli. Their soothing Italiano opera would take your mind off the Imams annoying Anyone that hates preachers or drug peddlars on buses should buy a car and step off a private bus.It's as simple as ABC unless of course your're thicker than ayinba barrister |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by bjluv: 7:58pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
d-onedayo: I guessed a monkey will talk. So you are one of those that do preach in the buses. You don't need to get mad OK. Next time, go f.u.ck yo moma! I have one mouth you slowpoke. If I beg for money at the bus station here, how come am I online here talking sense to your rotten brains. Now you open ya yeye mouth when you will be one of those who will keep calling for invitation letter to come abroad or then send me money via western union. And then, he writes like America & UK is the only place Nigerians are---foolish lad  I pray you will have a chance to see the world out of the boundaries of your country and you will end up preaching in a bus. What ever happens from there, don't blame me! Naija baboon This fellow is really sick for sure--- |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by mdCEO(m): 8:24pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
nairalanders,why don't some of us just go straight to point and deal correctly with the topic in question without bringing sentiments? Let us act correctly,when a Muslim go wrong,anybody and in fact everyone including Muslims should say,YOU ARE WRONG OR THIS IS WRONG AND SAME TO OTHER RELIGIONS.If you must preach,there is a place for that and that is church or mosque or any other place your religion prescribe for such.What is all this defending your faith about?Nairaland is a well respected forum and you can never imagine the global acceptance of nairaland blog. Please let us be matured and be able criticize or just comment same without undue sentiments.God bless you all. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 8:42pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
There is nothing that says preaching should only be done in a mosque or Church. There's preaching on TV,on radio,in buses,on street corners,from loudspeakers,on bill boards,on flyers and hand bills,on the body of buses ,on stickers,and on T shirts. On currencies,by politicians on rallies. Iya Sikira selling Akara preaches. On nolly wood and hollywood movies,courtrooms and even prisons People everywhere continually preach their beliefs anyone that can't handle it,tough luck. The ashewo on Allen street preaches her "sermon" to her clients Muslims sprawl on public streets and bow to Allah,it's allowed. people should stop being sissies. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by princeonx: 9:23pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
@ayinba1: wow you wanted to ignor me? what stop you? I guess a leopard can't lose its skin! As for whether me or David or anybody else is a Christian, muslim, or chistlam whatever is really not a reason for you to come out to people with such hateread! you really sound like you hate your own self! me am out say whatever you want to say I no go type your name again make I no go blow-up! you guys are unpredictable! una can do and undo |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 10:04pm On Jan 29, 2008 |
David, Dawi deceptive fellow, Cry baby. How come you suddenly become immersed in being a child of God.? I'll give it to you though . You are so shameless it is sickening. One day you'll thank me for coming after you. You cannot even do a good job with your camouflages. When you can post under two ids at the same minute or within 1 minute of each other, then I'll doff my hat. I know you have a throng of satanic followers that you can recruit; I'm watching. Yeah right, you do not hate muslims, You only hate Allah and Mohammed (PBUH) @mdCEO When a muslim does wrong, we should say so,But when a non muslim does wrong we should turn our faces the other way. This is typical "t'elegbo ba nje eesin" |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by manmustwac(m): 12:06am On Jan 30, 2008 |
Even here in london we do come across preachers in buses, but its very rare and usually happens on Sunday afternoon when ppl are going home from church. And na we nija who are very religious are the majority of preachers. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Dawid: 1:33am On Jan 30, 2008 |
ayinba1: i need to give you something too . . . your penchant for evading the issues and instead sticking to personal abuse is legendary. Mohammed could not have taught you better. Does it hurt so much that your idol at the kaaba has nothing but curses and hellfire for u as outlined in his quran? How come you accuse me of deception? Is hudna and al taqqiya not the bedrock of islam? ayinba1: what has this got to do with the topic? ayinba1: its you who goes to mecca to stone the devil not me. Its ur quranic "miracle" of numbers that states that shaitan = angels not me. Enjoy. ayinba1: its the same mendacious nonsense we read from muslims when they are caught between a rock and a hard place. I've seen them on the guardian UK too . . . expose the evil that is islam and they quickly tell u that its because u hate muslims. They so easily forget the hate that is the confused message of the quran. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 1:58am On Jan 30, 2008 |
nobody here hates Mohammed(419) |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 2:57am On Jan 30, 2008 |
Patient Id: David Dawi? davidylan, +osisi osi ni le pako Age : 26 Assesment: Axis I: Schizophrenia with paranoid delusions Axis II: Multiple Personality DO Axis III: Difficulties adjusting to a new culture of freedom?, omo aijeberi syndrome Axis IV: Psychosomatoform DO, IBS, Axis V: GAF 20 I almost got you there |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 3:13am On Jan 30, 2008 |
looks like you've finally finished that your endless LPN program with emphasis on psychia welcome to your world of diapers |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 3:21am On Jan 30, 2008 |
Glad to see you understood your diagnosis |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Dawid: 3:30am On Jan 30, 2008 |
+osisi, its not worth it replying ayinba1. She is the quintessential muslim . . . they appear "peaceful", devoted, loving and tolerant . . . once you expose the underlying veneer of quranic deciet you see the real evil lurking underneath the surface. No longer am i surprised that some use themselves as bombs just to kill "unbelievers" . . . no matter how loudly hypocrites like Belloti yell that terrorism is the preserve of a tiny minority we now know that violence is the language of the majority . . . they just havent found the avenue to express it just yet. I do not pity them, it is the naive christians i feel for. When these agents of the devil masquerading as allah's slaves decide to show their true colors . . . no one will be spared. I suggest you leave her alone to continue exposing the vile spirit of the anti-christ that had for long been hidden under a cloak of religious deceit. |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 3:37am On Jan 30, 2008 |
ayinba1: good for you Now tell us,which of them did Muhammad (419) suffer from when he threatened to jump off a |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by osisi5: 3:43am On Jan 30, 2008 |
Dāwīḏ: My brother na wa o some night school twerp with eleven eleven Iya Sikira tribal drawings is running lose on nairaland because she wasn't allowed to ride her molue in peace,all she needs to do is step down. I hear Iraq is recruiting transgendered bombers Her type qualifies |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by ayinba1(f): 4:37am On Jan 30, 2008 |
@davidylan,+osisi you are indeed the true antichrist and the irony is you know it. You intentionally misquote me, on the same page. That speaks volumes about your character |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by skullzflex(m): 8:35am On Jan 30, 2008 |
OOH naija,why u do think pple go about preaching in d commercial buses??it is simply because of lack of employment,imagine a man with children to fend 4 going about early in d morning preaching the gospel,i strongly believe if that man has something(good job) to do he'll do it.To worsen the case seeing mere seeing the preacher u'll know na HUNGER cuz am cuz they don't represent what they preach,4give me LORD for what i am saying but it is the gospel truth.oooookkkkkkkkkkaaayyyyyyyyy |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Jairzinho(m): 9:49am On Jan 30, 2008 |
ayinba1: Why do people like deceiving themselves like this??  |
| Re: Preaching In Commercial Buses: by Jairzinho(m): 10:15am On Jan 30, 2008 |
trukoments:and just before you finish digesting that zap back to the middle east in the 60's and see how Iran and isreal had the best democracy before Iran made the ''MISTAKE'' of trying to nationalise their oil industry which made christian countries ''AMERICA and GREAT BRITAIN'' angry to the extent that they sponsored a coup which successfully remove a democratic government from power and installed a brutal dictator that killed thousands and incacerated |
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