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All knowing? But, how come he doesn't know when the end will come He said only the Father knows! How do you explain that verse and a lot others?

If the Holy Spirit is God, why didn't he know the time of Christ's return?


Matthew 24:36; Mark 13:32
1."But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone," (Matt. 24:36).
2."But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone," (Mark 13:32).

There are two possible answers here. First, Jesus is both God and man (John 1:1,14; 20:28; Col. 2:9) and during His ministry in Jerusalem, He was cooperating with the limitations of being a man. As a man, Jesus walked and talked. As God He was worshipped (Matt. 14:33; 28:9; Heb. 1:6), prayed to (Zech. 13:9; 1 Cor. 1:2), etc. This is called the Hypostatic Union.

Since he was operating as a man, under the law (Gal. 4:4), it might very well be that Jesus was referencing the Father as the proper sovereign as only as a good Jew would have done.

Second, cultural context is very important. This passage is about Jesus' return which included getting the bride, the church and then the wedding feast would occur.


"Let us rejoice and be glad and give the glory to Him, for the marriage of the Lamb has come and His bride has made herself ready,8 And it was given to her to clothe herself in fine linen, bright and clean; for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints. 9 And he *said to me, "Write, ‘Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb," (Rev. 19:7-9).

If we were to look at the cultural context, we can get a much better understanding of what was Jesus may have been alluding to when he said that only the Father knows.

In that historical and cultural context when a man was going to marry a woman, it was usually prearranged. The bridegroom would be living with his family and he would begin to build an addition onto his father's house where he and his future wife would live. It was the custom for the father of the home to be the one who designated when the addition was finished. This meant that only the father knew when the son would be told to go get the bride. But, does this mean that the son would not know when he had to go to get the bride? Not necessarily, and this is why.

A wedding was a community affair where many many people would be invited. This required advance notice so that people could allot the necessary time to attend the wedding and wedding feast. This means that some would have to put their animals away for the day, not work in the field that day, not have business dealings that day, et cetera. In a culture where there is no Internet, phone, or radio, things were done well in advance so that people could plan ahead.

Furthermore, a wedding feast also meant that large amounts of food would have to be prepared in order for all the guests to have something to eat. These kinds of arrangements were not done on the spur of the moment. The arrangements were done weeks, sometimes months in advance. Therefore, to alleviate anyone missing the wedding feast due to a spontaneous invitation that they could not attend, arrangements were made well in advance.

But, in order to maintain the respect and dignity of the father's place in the home, it would naturally be said "that only the father knows" when it would be time for the son to go get the bride. This did not necessitate that the son did not know because the community would have to know within a reasonable degree of accuracy when the wedding would occur. Therefore, Jesus may have been alluding to the phraseology housed in the wedding and wedding feast culture that did not necessarily mean he did not know or the Holy Spirit did not know the time of his return.

http://carm.org/bible-difficulties/matthew-mark/if-holy-spirit-god-why-didnt-he-know-time-christs-return


Does Jesus now know when he is coming back? Or is this still only God's knowledge as stated in Matt. 24:36 and Mark 13:32?


Thanks for your question. I think it’s a good one, and a very important one to answer correctly, especially in the light of some current false teaching, which claims that even God doesn't know all things in the future.

The critical issue, I think, is this: If Jesus is fully God as well as fully human, then how is it that He can be ignorant of anything, since God is omniscient or all-knowing? One might conclude that Jesus did not know all at the time of His birth, and during His childhood. I find the translation of Luke 2:40 in the NET Bible insightful, for it reads:


40 And the child grew and became strong, filled with wisdom, and the favor of God was upon him.


Later on in Luke chapter 2 we read,

Luke 2:46-47


46 After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Jesus were astonished at his understanding and his answers.


This translation avoids the suggestion that Jesus was not all-knowing. The question you have raised is a bit different: "Are there things that God the Father knows, but of which the Son is ignorant?" I found this answer from the Bible Knowledge Commentary (on Matthew 24:36) less than satisfactory:


"The precise moment of the Lord’s return cannot be calculated by anyone. When the Lord spoke these words, that information was said to be known by only the Father. Christ was obviously speaking from the vantage of His human knowledge (cf. Luke 2:52), not from the standpoint of His divine omniscience." [Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985.]


The same explanation is given for Mark 13:32:


"This openly expressed limitation on Jesus' knowledge affirms His humanity. In His Incarnation Jesus voluntarily accepted human limitations, including this one (cf. Acts 1:7), in submission to the Father’s will (cf. John 4:34)."[Walvoord, John F., and Zuck, Roy B., The Bible Knowledge Commentary, (Wheaton, Illinois: Scripture Press Publications, Inc.) 1983, 1985.]


If you find this explanation satisfactory, then you need not look further. I find the explanation somewhat less than compelling. It suggests that Jesus is somehow a divided person, with a human side and with a divine side. In the New Testament I see Him as one person, both divine and human. How, then, can we say that Jesus knew the day and hour on his divine side, but not on his human side? Too many times in the New Testament we read of Jesus "knowing" things that only God could know (See John 6:64; Matthew 12:25; Luke 6:8; 11:17).

In context of Matthew's gospel, the Lord's disciples were taken with the splendor of the temple (24:1), but Jesus told them, in effect, not to get too attached to them, because they would all be destroyed (24:2). The disciples then asked Jesus to tell them when these things would happen, and when the end of the age would come (24:3). Jesus did not shrug His shoulders and say, "I don’t know." Instead, Jesus gave many details concerning the last times (24:4ff.). Jesus did not want His disciples to be ignorant of the last times, either, lest they be deceived. While Jesus did not reveal the precise time of His return to His disciples, He did make it clear (not just here, but elsewhere in the gospels and Acts 1) that the end would not come immediately. He described many of the signs that would precede His return to the earth. If the disciples of our Lord listened carefully to the words of the Master, they would know the "season" of His coming. My point in all of this is that if Jesus was ignorant (in the dark) about the end times, how could He be so specific in giving so many details? The point of His teaching in Matthew 24 was to "be ready." Because they did not to know the precise time of the Lord's return they were to be watchful and attentive.

The specific day of His return was not made known to the apostles, nor to the angels. The wise servant is the one who is watching for the Master's return, and who is working for his Master when He returns.

In what sense, then, does the Son not "know" about the "hour" of the Lord's return? In the Gospel of John, Jesus repeatedly states that He will not act independently of the Father. As in His temptation, Jesus refuses to act independently of the Father. This is a part of His submission to the Father (see, for example, John 8:28; 12:49-50; 14:31). Jesus speaks and acts only as the Father has directed and instructed Him.

Now let us consider the term rendered "know" in Matthew 24:36 and Mark 13:32. In the Septuagint -- the Greek translation of the Old Testament -- the same Greek word oida is used to translate the Hebrew word for "know" in Genesis 18:19:

Genesis 18:19


19 "I have chosen [literally "known"] him, so that he may command his children and his household after him to keep the way of the Lord by doing what is right and just. Then the Lord will give to Abraham what he promised him."


In Jeremiah 1:5 God's choice of Jeremiah while still in the womb is described by the same Hebrew word for "know," although the Greek word used in the Septuagint is different than oida.

One may also wish to consider the use of oida in Matthew 25:12:

Matthew 25:12


12 But he replied, 'I tell you the truth, I do not know you!' The NET Bible


Surely this means something more like, "You are not one of my guests" (i.e. you are not one of my chosen guests), rather than, "I don't have any idea who you are, I've never seen or heard of you before."

It is my opinion that Jesus is using this word "to know" in two different ways in Matthew and Mark. Jesus is saying, on the one hand, that His disciples cannot, should not, and will not "know" the precise day or hour of His coming. On the other hand, Jesus is using the same word (to know) with reference to His submission to the Father in regard to the timing of His return. He is saying, I believe, "It is not my place as the Son to determine or to announce the time of my coming " that is an aspect of My Father's role in the Trinity, as the Father." The bottom line is that the disciples have a fixation on knowing the exact time of our Lord's return. Jesus is saying, in effect, "It is none of your business, and in a sense it is not mine to tell you, either. I will come when it is the Father's time for Me to come. For me to announce the time of my coming in advance is to steal the Father's thunder." It is not that He does not know, or cannot know this day, but that this is not consistent with His role as the Son.

I am sure that some may differ with me on this explanation, but I find it within the boundaries of the use of the term, and within the boundaries of biblical theology.

I think that it is dangerous to conclude that God knows something that the Son does not, when both are God, and both are omniscient.

http://bible.org/question/does-jesus-now-know-when-he-coming-back-or-still-only-gods-knowledge-stated-matt-2436-and-m

gbrookes02:

So therefore it is a religious context in Heaven and thus it is worship of Jesus. You can't get away from that - the religious context that it is in Heaven.

Let me give you an example...


Compare these translations on how they make use of that greek word in matthew
18:26
.......
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And falling down, that servant"" worshiped"" him,
and he said, “My Lord, be patient with me, and
I shall pay you everything.”

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshiped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience with
me, and I will pay you all.

American King James Version
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay you all.
......
American Standard Version
The servant therefore fell down and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all


........

Compare them with these translations...

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"So the slave fell to the ground and
""prostrated"" himself before him, saying, 'Have
patience with me and I will repay you
everything.'

........

English Standard Version (©2001)
So the servant"" fell on his knees"", imploring him,
‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you
everything.’...

..............

Darby Bible Translation
The bondman therefore falling down did him
""homage"", saying, Lord, have patience with me
and I will pay thee all.....

..........


Can you spot out the way the translations differ??

Some translated the word ""pro·sky·ne′o" as worship others as paying homage,bending down showing honor to a king,bowing down,prostrating..........

Now would you tell me that that slave literally"" worshipped"" the king he was begging??

Need I remind you that it is exactly this same greek word used here in matthew 18:26 that was still used in hebrews 1:6.......

Now the truth is being a trinitarian you would be fast to conclude that Jesus was worshipped in the sense of Jesus being the God of the angels...

,but if you had believed that Jesus is not the almighty God and that Jesus has a God who is over Him and who does not share his worship,then you would know the right way to render that word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrews 1:6.....

Now try connecting Jesus' perfect response to satan in matthew 4:8 and hebrews 1:6......

And please see how this translation renders and uses the greek word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrew§ 1:6

.........
Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them"" bow
before"" him -- all messengers of God;'
.....

My freind do you now get the gist.........

if you will acknowledge Christ isn't the almighty God and that Yahweh alone is the one we must fully worship,you wouldn't have this problems....

frosbel:

olodo rapata, so according to your logic, God begat GOD ?

what did u xpect? If a human give birth to or begat an animal, is it no an anomaly? God is perfect no abnormallies, he shuld begat one wu is an image of himself, just as u are d image of ur parents.

ijawkid:

It seems u have forgotten that the almighty cannot be seen and cannot die.....did it escape your thoughts??

Did it??

The almighty does not need to come in human form because he is the almighty.....

No man can see the almighty and yet live...that is why the almighty sends his representatives.......

Now can you explain why the almighty who came to the earth didn't knw when the end will come??did he suffer from amnesia??

Jesus didn't create himself,he was created by Yahweh his God........

That is why Jesus is the image of Yahweh just as you and I are........

were u blind wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

Ubenedictus: what did u xpect? If a human give birth to or begat an animal, is it no an anomaly? God is perfect no abnormallies, he shuld begat one wu is an image of himself, just as u are d image of ur parents.

Jesus is Yahweh's son that doesn't make him Yahweh! They're are two different entities, one higher than the other! Shikena

Ubenedictus: were u blind wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

Were you blind when the bible called Yahweh Almighty , the only ONE GOD of heaven and earth.

Jesus never called himself Almighty and no one referred to him with such a title.

ijawkid:

Oh adam was before eve,but u disagree Yahweh was b4 Jesus.....you and your cohorts claim Jesus existed simulteneously the same time with his God and Father (Yahweh)...

You see yourself??

hahahaha! So d fada was before his logos(word/reason), hahahaha, u are telling me that there was a time d fada didnt have logos. Hahaha, this is really heresy

ijawkid:

Let me give you an example...


Compare these translations on how they make use of that greek word in matthew
18:26
.......
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And falling down, that servant"" worshiped"" him,
and he said, “My Lord, be patient with me, and
I shall pay you everything.”

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshiped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience with
me, and I will pay you all.

American King James Version
The servant therefore fell down, and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay you all.
......
American Standard Version
The servant therefore fell down and
""worshipped"" him, saying, Lord, have patience
with me, and I will pay thee all


........

Compare them with these translations...

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"So the slave fell to the ground and
""prostrated"" himself before him, saying, 'Have
patience with me and I will repay you
everything.'

........

English Standard Version (©2001)
So the servant"" fell on his knees"", imploring him,
‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you
everything.’...

..............

Darby Bible Translation
The bondman therefore falling down did him
""homage"", saying, Lord, have patience with me
and I will pay thee all.....

..........


Can you spot out the way the translations differ??

Some translated the word ""pro·sky·ne′o" as worship others as paying homage,bending down showing honor to a king,bowing down,prostrating..........

Now would you tell me that that slave literally"" worshipped"" the king he was begging??

Need I remind you that it is exactly this same greek word used here in matthew 18:26 that was still used in hebrews 1:6.......

Now the truth is being a trinitarian you would be fast to conclude that Jesus was worshipped in the sense of Jesus being the God of the angels...

,but if you had believed that Jesus is not the almighty God and that Jesus has a God who is over Him and who does not share his worship,then you would know the right way to render that word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrews 1:6.....

Now try connecting Jesus' perfect response to satan in matthew 4:8 and hebrews 1:6......

And please see how this translation renders and uses the greek word ""pro·sky·ne′o"" in hebrew§ 1:6

.........
Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them"" bow
before"" him -- all messengers of God;'
.....

My freind do you now get the gist.........

if you will acknowledge Christ isn't the almighty God and that Yahweh alone is the one we must fully worship,you wouldn't have this problems....

What is done in matthew 18:26, the slave coming before his master was not in a religious context so therefore the slave was not worshipping is master. Hebrews 1:6 is in a religious context in Heaven therefore it is worship, whatever goes on in Heaven is happening in a religious context and thus it is worship, for example in verses 3-4 we are told some of the reason why it is a religious context and thus why they worship Him for example "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being", "After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" meaning among other things His work of atonement is completed. These are the reasons why "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Plain and simple. If this and the rest of Hebrews does show that it is all a religious context and in that religious context that they worship Him then there is no such thing as worship.
I quoted the New International Version.

ijawkid:

Are you suffering from amnesia??

You just said Jesus was fully God and fully man...that infact Jesus was God the almighty in human flesh.......

My freind you either choose Jesus was a 100 percent perfect man when on earth and not God,or u choose he was fully God and man and also contradict yourself....

Jesus didn't say his god nature knew when the end will come while is earthly nature didn't know,... 100 percent Jesus said he didn't know,but only the Father knows.......

Jesus isn't all knowing.....read revelations 1:1.....and see where Jesus still recieves revelations from the Father.....


That is the reason why Jesus told his listeners back then that what ever he sees the Father ,so he does....

Jesus learns from his Father...

An all knowing being does not learn .........

hahaha, it seems u missed where d bible say all knowledge and wisdom are hidden in christ. Hahaha, u are contradicting d bible

Ubenedictus: were u blind wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

Where??

Oya open the bible show me....

ijawkid:

Because as the Boss of all boss Yahweh has servants and messangers he sends.....

Starting from Jesus to the angels and to the rest of us.......

We are all servants of Yahweh........

And also if Yahweh comes to the earth we will all die...because no flesh can see God and yet live....how many times do I have to tell you??

Yahweh is the most High...he can't be seen...

sorry my friend, no on can see God, ihendi just taught u that God is a nature, if God takes human nature he will be visible and no one will die because no one will see d divine nature all we will see is a human nature with blood and bone. That is y d fulnes of d deity dwelt in christ bodily and nobody died...

Ubenedictus: hahaha, it seems u missed where d bible say all knowledge and wisdom are hidden in christ. Hahaha, u are contradicting d bible

And then he didn't know when the end will come. With the all knowingness......clap for yourself...........!!!!....

And again also recieves revelations from the ultimate source of knowledge......

Try again!!!!....

You fail....

Ubenedictus: sorry my friend, no on can see God, ihendi just taught u that God is a nature, if God takes human nature he will be visible and no one will die because no one will see d divine nature all we will see is a human nature with blood and bone. That is y d fulnes of d deity dwelt in christ bodily and nobody died...

And ihedinobi is not Jesus who said no man has see God....

So tell ihedinobi that he failed woefully as well....

So ihedinobi is now ur bible abi??

Next!!!!!......

Ubenedictus: hahahaha! So d fada was before his logos(word/reason), hahahaha, u are telling me that there was a time d fada didnt have logos. Hahaha, this is really heresy

You are foolishly implying that when Jesus came to the world Yahweh became dumb(was wordless).....

But sorry Yahweh still had his words inside of Him when he appointed Jesus as his son when Jesus was baptized......

So put on your thinking caps on more time and think........

The bible is called the ""word of God"" too....

I wonder if the bible existed the same time with Yahweh......

Go back and ask yourself why Jesus is called ""the word of God""

gbrookes02:

What is done in matthew 18:26, the slave coming before his master was not in a religious context so therefore the slave was not worshipping is master. Hebrews 1:6 is in a religious context in Heaven therefore it is worship, whatever goes on in Heaven is happening in a religious context and thus it is worship, for example in verses 3-4 we are told some of the reason why it is a religious context and thus why they worship Him for example "The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being", "After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven" meaning among other things His work of atonement is completed. These are the reasons why "So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Plain and simple. If this and the rest of Hebrews does show that it is all a religious context and in that religious context that they worship Him then there is no such thing as worship.
I quoted the New International Version.

Did you read the other translations I put up to explain my point??....

Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And
let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the
first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them""
bow
before"" him -

ADORE and BOW down were used by those translations....

It answers your question...

But as usual you are still stubborn....

ijawkid:

And ihedinobi is not Jesus who said no man has see God....

So tell ihedinobi that he failed woefully as well....

So ihedinobi is now ur bible abi??

Next!!!!!......

In that context Jesus meant no one has seen The Father, John 1:18; (New International Version) "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." Here again Jesus is called God you all can't deal with these verses, you all just have to ingnore them, and pretent they ain't there you ant-triniterians.

John 6:46 (New International Version) "No one has seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father."

ijawkid:

This is one big hogwash..

Can you back what you just said with the bible??

Hw can one be subordinate to his equal??

just d way im equal in dignity accding to nature to my dad and im subordinate to him by rank.

According to you the Father and the Son are co-equal........

How come do we now have the issue of one being subordinate to the other??

i already taught u this but ur brain is blocked it doesnt remember.

How does that ratify co-equality??

it doesnt affect it because coequality is due to nature

how can an all knowing (Jesus) still be recieveing revelations??I thought they were already stuck in his all knowingness.....

rev says "which God gave him", im suprised u have a problem with that all d attributes of God (d fulnes of d deity) was given to d son by d fada wen d divine nature was transmitted. That is d meaning of d word begotten, it means my parents gave me all d attributes of humanity. Christ fada gave him all d attributes of d divinity. My bibles says "all wisdom and knowledge are hidden in him".

and may I ask::::

Does the holy spirit know when the end will come??it seems Jesus forgot to say anything about the holy spirit when he was telling his apostles that only the Father knew when the end will come........

Does the holy spirit know when d end will come??........

he searchet the deep things of God, that is how my bible puts it.

ijawkid:

Did you read the other translations I put up to explain my point??....

Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And
let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the
first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them""
bow
before"" him -

ADORE and BOW down were used by those translations....

It answers your question...

But as usual you are still stubborn....

The two translations you mentioned have not accurately translated the greek here strong enough because in a religious context the word means worship , and it is a religious context here in Heaven. They most likely meant ADORE and BOW in worship, in their translations because it is a religious context.

gbrookes02:

The two translations you mentioned have not accurately translated the greek here strong enough because in a religious context the word means worship , and it is a religious context here in Heaven. They most likely meant ADORE and BOW in worship, in their translations because it is a religious context.

Whatever worship means , who asked HIS angels to worship WHO ?

If you say GOD asked his angels to worship GOD , then you need urgent help , honestly !!

Stop beating around the bush.

Clue : "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." - Hebrews 1:6

ijawkid:

Did you read the other translations I put up to explain my point??....

Douay-Rheims Bible
And again, when he bringeth in the first
begotten into the world, he saith: And
let all
the angels of God"" adore"" him.
........
Young's Literal Translation
and when again He may bring in the
first-born
to the world, He saith, 'And let them""
bow
before"" him -

ADORE and BOW down were used by those translations....

It answers your question...

But as usual you are still stubborn....

There is no need for all these just go and meditate on JOHN 3:16 very well.
'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten son . . . . '

frosbel:

Whatever worship means , who asked HIS angels to worship WHO ?

If you say GOD asked his angels to worship GOD , then you need urgent help , honestly !!

Stop beating around the bush.

Clue : "And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says, "Let all God's angels worship him." - Hebrews 1:6

Gbamest!

Ubenedictus: just d way im equal in dignity accding to nature to my dad and im subordinate to him by rank.

i already taught u this but ur brain is blocked it doesnt remember.


it doesnt affect it because coequality is due to nature

rev says "which God gave him", im suprised u have a problem with that all d attributes of God (d fulnes of d deity) was given to d son by d fada wen d divine nature was transmitted. That is d meaning of d word begotten, it means my parents gave me all d attributes of humanity. Christ fada gave him all d attributes of d divinity. My bibles says "all wisdom and knowledge are hidden in him".

he searchet the deep things of God, that is how my bible puts it.

Still hogwash nigga.......

U haven't answered if the holy spirit knows when the end will come.....

Please don't assume,just give facts....

We already know the son doesn't know.........


And you just said GOD gave him divinity abi??

Why does Jesus have to wait to be given anything from some1 who according to you he is co equal with....


You don't understand the word ""co equal""

Open your damn dictionary and check....

gbrookes02:

The two translations you mentioned have not accurately translated the greek here strong enough because in a religious context the word means worship , and it is a religious context here in Heaven. They most likely meant ADORE and BOW in worship, in their translations because it is a religious context.

You are finished......

You need to learn a lot......

ADORE and BOW DOWN is what it is....

In your brain Jesus is the almighty,but in the bible Jesus is less than his GOD and Father .....

Learn!!!!

ijawkid:

SMH!!!!.....

I just need a scripture that will say Jesus is all knowing now that he is in the heavens.....

in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

I already showed you revelations 1:1 to add to my arsenal of Jesus not all-knowing......

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

exactly the same thing Jesus told his apostles is still want is going on in heaven....

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

Jesus can't do a single thing on his own originality,except what the Father tells Him......

JÉsus many times has said ""what I hear is what I speak""

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

It has nothing to do with his humanity.....Jesus has always been learning fro his Father b4 the universe was created....that Is what you and your colleagues fail to understand.....

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.

Yahweh who is the all knowing God still supplies knowledge and revelations to his son and servant right down till today as we speak.........

And Yahweh would be the one to give the go ahead for Jesus to come squash satans system....

Why??

Because Yahweh is the almighty....

where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

It is Yahweh who exalted Jesus and gave Jesus kingdoms and power.....so Jesus must act under Yahwehs instructions and directions........

Read 1 corinthians 15:24-28.........

Jesus is not all knowing.........

You are yet to use a scripture to prove that............

The bible has so much verses to prove
That Jesus is not all-knowing.....but you have being using the ""his humanity limited his knowledge"" excuse.........but you are the same person who says Jesus is 100 percent God and man.....contradiction!!!!!!!!!........

u didnt even make a point

ijawkid:

SMH!!!!.....

I just need a scripture that will say Jesus is all knowing now that he is in the heavens.....

in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

I already showed you revelations 1:1 to add to my arsenal of Jesus not all-knowing......

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

exactly the same thing Jesus told his apostles is still want is going on in heaven....

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

Jesus can't do a single thing on his own originality,except what the Father tells Him......

JÉsus many times has said ""what I hear is what I speak""

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

It has nothing to do with his humanity.....Jesus has always been learning fro his Father b4 the universe was created....that Is what you and your colleagues fail to understand.....

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.

Yahweh who is the all knowing God still supplies knowledge and revelations to his son and servant right down till today as we speak.........

And Yahweh would be the one to give the go ahead for Jesus to come squash satans system....

Why??

Because Yahweh is the almighty....

where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

It is Yahweh who exalted Jesus and gave Jesus kingdoms and power.....so Jesus must act under Yahwehs instructions and directions........

Read 1 corinthians 15:24-28.........

Jesus is not all knowing.........

You are yet to use a scripture to prove that............

The bible has so much verses to prove
That Jesus is not all-knowing.....but you have being using the ""his humanity limited his knowledge"" excuse.........but you are the same person who says Jesus is 100 percent God and man.....contradiction!!!!!!!!!........

u didnt even make a point

ijawkid:

Because he is GOD......

That is one intrinsic Ñature of the almighty.....

He can't be seen.....its an impossibilty........

No flesh can contain the almighty...that is who he is...........no man can see GOD.....that's who GOD is....

And for your info........when Je§us died,everything about Jesus died(100%) for 3days........

Both Je§us' human and divine nature were in that grave for 3 good days.....

Don't mis-Ínterprete the scriptures with your human nature and God nature analogy.....

The bible says 100% Jesus died for 3days,not a part of JÉsus........shikena....

hahahaha, really? Wu preach to d spirits in prison? Hahaha

frosbel:

Catholic , what do I expect from you and the PAGAN POPE.

Of course Paganism !!!

d same old story 4rm d same frosbel, im not suprised. U arian heresy is already condemned

ijawkid:

You are still on the Yahweh made it rain fire from Yahweh??

I had opened a thread as a rebuttal to your low understanding of genesis 19:24 but you ran away........


And please how should I worship Jesus??the same way you worship mary ??

Right??

hahaha, u hv decided to bring a diversion abi? Hahaha wat cn i xpect of d ijaw guy tell me again abt heb 1:6

Ubenedictus: hahahaha, really? Wu preach to d spirits in prison? Hahaha

Wasn't it after Jesus's ressurection that he preached to the spirits in prison??

Abi u leave your brain for toilet??

ijawkid:

Just like the way you worship your pope and Mary abi??

You better go for tutorials on the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" and come back let's discuss.....

Rubbish!!!!!

hahaha, u are going to tel me dat only ur bible go it right abi? I wnt follow ur diversion

Ubenedictus: hahaha, u hv decided to bring a diversion abi? Hahaha wat cn i xpect of d ijaw guy tell me again abt heb 1:6

I was only making you and your myopic colleagues how to read scriptures.....

How does it feel to see translations exegete words in the right context......

Jesus was adored,bowed to as Yahwehs .king designate........

Ofcus Jesus isn't the God of the angels in heaven....haven't I told u before that Jesus is a morning star as well??

Yahweh is the GOD and Father of all.....

Ubenedictus: in him is hidden all wisdom and knowledge, did u miss dat?

it didnt prove nting, it just confirm my knowledge that d son recieved all from d fada, i already knew dat.

really? Wen Jesus was going to heaven he didnt say he didnt know instead he said it isnt 4 us to know.

again that didnt disprove my arguement. He is son to his fada, im not suprised dat he obeys.

nah my friend, d fada already gave him all, from all eternity.
where u sleepin wen d bible called Jesus almighty?

u didnt even make a point

So open a scripture that says Jesus now knows when the end is coming........

Abi e no dey your bible??

Besides Jesus right there in the heavens still recieves revelations.....

The bible must always debunk your pagan stance.....

And why should Jesus obey his equal??are u with your brains??

Does it make any sense to you??

Then what is co-equality??

You are far off from the definition of co-equality......

You are stiil saying ""the Father gave Him""....

That expression squashes ur stand on co-equality......

Jesus is suppose to have all authority within him if he was co equal with his Father ..........but for the bible to shame u,it says Jesus "" wa§ given""........