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| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 1:59pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: You anti-Trinitarians have failed to deal with scriptures the we put forth to you all that show that Jesus is God, you all just ignored them as if they don't exist, you all are very dishonest. For example John 20:28 (New International Version (©1984)) "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!", Thomas correctly called Jesus God. John 5:18 (New International Version (©1984)) "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Jesus revealed to the Jews that He was equal to God, and they understood that. If everything that was created and made were all created and made by Jesus then how could Jesus have being created unless He created Himself which is nonsense, Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3? Therefore He is Yahweh God Almighty. If Jesus is not God then what is the name that Matthew 28:19 speak of that is shared by all three persons in the Godhead? How do you explain 2 Peter 1:1 (New International Version) "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours", and Titus 2:13 (New International Version) "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ"? All these passages above show that Jesus is God, and God is all knowing therefore Jesus is all knowing. Simple and logical but in your all dishonesty you all just ignore all these passages and the others as well. Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version (©2001)) "Then the LORD (Yahweh) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD (Yahweh) out of heaven." If Jesus in His preexistance is not one of the two persons that is referred to as Yahweh here in this passage then tell me who are the two persons here that are referred to as Yahweh? And remember Yahweh knows every thing therefore Jesus as Yahweh knows everything, simple and logical. If A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Plain and simple logic. John 21:17 also says Jesus knows everything. If someone tells me something to tell someone else how does that prove that I don't already know of that thing that I am told to tell someone else? Explain that to me. Haven't anyone ever told you anything that you didn't already know of or about (and to tell someone else of or about it)? Where is your all logic? 1 corinthians 15:24-28 is in harmony with what we Trinitarians are saying of The Son's subjection to The Father. Obediant children are all subject to their parents yet the children and parents all have the same human nature. The Trinity is one "what" (Yahweh God Almighty) and three "whos" (three persons). Like always you all are going to ignore all of the above in your all dishonesty. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:04pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: frosbel learn to be consistent, u just finished saying that belief or non belief in d trinity doesnt affect ur salvation, and here u say it does. You have two mouths Not for those who believe in a Trinity out of innocence but for those preventing multitudes from entering the kingdom through their peaching of this 3-god LIE. 1 Like |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 2:05pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: Please viisit this thread.... Gensis 19:24 was explained and the trinity debunked.... www.nairaland.com/1063938/perfect-rebuttal-ubenidictus-genesis-19 And please why should the Son be subjected to the Father?? It seems you guys don't understand the implication of the word ""CO - EQUAL"" You guys coined the word but the bible keeps debunking the fraud ""trinity"" 1 Like |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 2:07pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: You still haven't answered my questions you are just arguing in circles. All that mean is that God in His God nature can't die, but you still have not explain why can't God enter into His creation take on mortal human flesh in addition to His God nature have His human nature to die but His God nature not to die which will not in anyway violate Numbers 23:19 because as far as where His God nature is concern He never died? Why can't it happened? What prevents Him from doing such? Where in the bible did you get your "100% Jesus died for 3days"? It was His human nature that died not His God nature. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 2:13pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: So Jesus human nature was what died,not his God nature... Please can you kindly open just one verse to prove this heresy!!!!!... Please we'll appreciate it.... Open the scripture where it says it is a part of Jesus that died not the whole of Jesus..... Make u no dey talk lie because of trinity o.... Was there Jesus somewhere else,when he was in the grave for 3 good days?? Oboy this your LIE na wa o.... |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:14pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: TO WHOM WILL YE MAKE ME EQUAL?hahaha, this doesnt even scratch the surface. The one God (in 3 persons) is speaking and he declears that none is his equal. This verse doesnt refute d trinity. And then GOD warns us in this same passage 'To WHOM Shall I BE Equal 'u mean u corrupt them by ignorance abi? What about this other verse :catholic didnt say God is 3. Do u have reading problems? Lastly consider this verse.the revolter. Let us recap our little observation :u are a very big liar, one of d biggest liars i ve ever met. Wu told u that God is 3 beings? Are u simply assuming? We have been saying 3 PERSONS ONE BEING Those who reject and condemn those who do not adhere to the doctrine of the Trinity, run the risk of being rejected by the Lord if they happen to be wrong. We all do well to heed the exhortation of Jesus:tell this to urself first. The two New Testament passages of Scripture in which the word "equal" occurs are Jn.5:18 and Phl.2:6. In Jn.5:18 we read that the Jews concluded that Jesus made himself equal with God because he said God was his Father. Once again, as usual,the Jews reached a wrong conclusion and completely failed to understand the simple truth that Jesus was teaching. They "erred," not knowing the Scriptures," and Jesus warned his disciples to "[/quote] hahaha, did christ say they erred? No he didnt. They totally understood what one meant to be the only BEGOTTEN son of God, the moment he mentioned those words they understood that he was claiming to have d same substance as d fada. You jumped phi 2. It seems u are runing. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:19pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: hahaha, this doesnt even scratch the surface. The one God (in 3 persons) is speaking and he declears that none is his equal. This verse doesnt refute d trinity. lol,  Let me coin a new word, Trinity Delusion and Confusion Mystery guaranteed or TDCMG TDCMG |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:22pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel:hahaha, u are pagan, 2. For the first 300 years before the Pagan Emperor Constantine, the Trinity was not a known , talk less of accepted doctrinea very big lie, the early christain witness that Jesus was God even before d 300ad, justin did around 150, st john did before 99 ad jn1:1 and so did all d apostles, all d churches d apostles preached to also did. Tertullian already used d word 3nity before nicea did. Go and make another lie. 3. Not all Christians accept this strange doctrine of 3-gods.all xtian wu donot accept dat God is one in 3 persons were heretics, d arains 4. It is not a pre-requisite for salvationu just said earlier that those wu believe in d trinity will go to hell. U have many mouths |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 2:24pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
TroGunn: The hebrew literally says "Father of Eternity", eternity has no begining or end so if Jesus is or will be called "Father of Eternity" that means in the hebrew language He has no begining or end. In the bible in the hebrew culture names are given to tell or reveal something about the thing or person so named, the name reveal or tells the information on the thing or person especially when given by God Himself. So as The "Father of Eternity", Jesus has no begining or end, therefore He is Yahweh God. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:29pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: for eternity and not from eternity ! He shall be called everlasting father. shall be is future tense, he was not then the everlasting father of the new age or new kingdom to come. Get the English right and you will never make another mistake. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 2:34pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Boomark: Certainly the END of this DILEMMA! 1 Corinthians 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet This is a reason proving that all enemies, and death itself, shall be put under the feet of Christ, and is taken out of ( Psalms 8:6 ) which is spoken of one that is styled man, and the son of man; and is to be understood not of Adam in a state of innocence; for the word there used signifies a frail mortal man, which he then was not, nor could he be called the son of man; and though the earth was subdued and subject to him, and he had dominion over the fish of the sea, the fowls of the air, and every living thing that moveth on the earth, yet all creatures were not subject to him in this large sense, in which it is here and elsewhere explained by the apostle; and much less of man in his fallen state, who instead of having all things under his feet, is become like the beasts that perish; many of them: are unsubdued to him, and he is even in fear of them, and he himself is subject to corruption and vanity: but of the man Christ Jesus, who took and bore all the sinless infirmities of human nature; is often called the son of man; of whom God was mindful, and whom lie visited in his state of humiliation, at the time of his death, resurrection, and exaltation; who was made through sufferings of death a little lower, or a little while lower than the angels, but now crowned with glory and honour; in whose days God ordained strength and praise out of the mouths of babes and sucklings, to the confusion of his enemies; and has put all things under his feet, which may elude all things animate and inanimate, the whole creation and universe of things, the world and its fulness, the earth and all that is therein, the beasts of the forest, and the cattle of a thousand hills; he is heir of the world, and has a right to it, and to dispose of it, not merely as the Creator, but as Mediator; it is put in subjection to him to make use of, and what is in it to subserve his mediatorial kingdom and his glory; when his ends are answered by it, the earth and all that is therein shall be burnt up, and a new earth arise out of it, in which Christ and his people will dwell: the air and all that is therein are under him; the fowls of it are at his dispose; he it was that rained feathered fowls as the sand of the sea, about the camp of the Israelites in the wilderness, and commanded the ravens to feed Elijah in distress; and who holds the winds in his fist, lets them loose, calls them in, and commands them at pleasure; as he also does the sea, and the boisterous waves of it, and has dominion over the fishes in it; one of those supplied him with money, to pay his tribute; and multitudes of them, more than once, were gathered together, and taken up by his order and direction; and at the last day, the sea at his command will give up the dead that are in it; yea, this may extend to all rational creatures, angels and men, friends or foes: good angels, principalities and powers, are subject to him, as appears by their attendance on him: at his incarnation, ascension, and second coming; by their ministration to him in the wilderness, and in the garden; by their employment under him, for the good of the heirs of salvation; by their dependence on him, as their Creator and head, and by their adoration of him as their Lord and God. Evil angels, the devils, are also put under his feet, as is evident from his overcoming Satan, and baffling all his temptations; by his dispossessing the devils out of the bodies of men, and giving his disciples also power over them; by his spoiling them at death, and triumphing over them in his ascension; by delivering his people out of their hands, and power, in conversion; and by his binding of Satan during the thousand years, and by casting him and his angels into everlasting fire prepared for them. Elect men are made subject to him, by the power of his grace upon them; and yet their subjection to him, to his Gospel ordinances, and the sceptre of his kingdom; is voluntary and from their hearts; it proceeds from a principle of love to him; and is universal, being a regard unto, and a compliance with all his precepts; and evil men are also under his dominion and control; he rules them with a rod of iron; he disappoints their counsels, restrains their wrath, overrules their evil designs and actions against his people for good; and will one day gather them all before him, pass the righteous sentence on them, and send them into everlasting punishment. Moreover, this may reach to everything that is for the glory of Christ as Mediator, and for the good of his church, and to every enemy of his or theirs, as the world, sin, Satan, and the last enemy, death; to prove the subjection of all which to Christ, this testimony is produced: and respects Christ as Mediator, and the Father's delivering all things into his hands, and giving him all power in heaven and in earth, and rule over all creatures and things; but when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him; that is, when David, or the Holy Spirit by him, said the above words, in ( Psalms 8:6 ) nothing is more clear and evident, than that God the Father, who made all things subject to Christ as Mediator, is himself not subjected to him; since his power as such must be greater than his: this exception is made to secure the government, power, and honour of the Father; for though he has made his firstborn higher than the kings of the earth, yet not higher than himself; and though he has set him his King over his holy hill of Zion, yet not over himself; and though it is his will that all men should honour the Son, as they honour the Father, yet not above him, or more than he; nor has he quitted the government, either in the world or in the church, by subjecting all things to Christ: and this exception is also made to confirm the universal power and empire of Christ, for an exception to a general rule does but the more establish it; and since the Father is only excepted, it is a clear case, that he has left nothing that is not put under him; see ( Hebrews 2:8 ) but it must be observed, that though the Holy Spirit is not mentioned, yet he is equally excepted; since he is the one God with the Father, and was jointly concerned in the mission, unction, and installation of Christ, as Mediator; nor can he be reckoned among the all things put in subjection to Christ, for they regard only creatures, and many of these enemies, with neither of which the Spirit of God can be numbered; and though the gifts and graces of the Spirit are put into Christ's hands, and are at his dispose, yet the person of the Spirit can never be thought to be put under his feet. http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-corinthians-15-27.html And when all things shall be subdued unto him For all things as yet are not put under him in fact; though in right God the Father has given to him an authoritative power over all things, and a right to dispose of them at his pleasure; but all things are not actually and in their full extent subject to him, yet they will be when the last enemy is destroyed: and then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him; which must be interpreted and understood with great care and caution; not in the Sabellian sense, of refunding of the characters of the Son, and so of the Father unto God; when they suppose these characters, which they imagine to be merely nominal, bare names, will be no more, and God shall be all; but as the Father will always remain a father, so the Son will remain a son; for, as the Son of the Highest, he will reign over his people for ever, and he the Son, as a priest, is consecrated for ever, more: nor in the Eutychian sense, of the change of the human mature into the divine, in which they fancy it will be swallowed up, and God will be all; but Christ will always continue as a man; he went up to heaven as such, and he will return as a man, and be visible to all in the human nature, and in that be the object of the wonderful vision of the saints to all eternity: nor in the Arian sense, according to the divine nature, as if he was in that inferior to the Father, when he is equal with him, has all the perfections he has, and the whole fulness of the Godhead dwelling in him; it is much better and safer to understand it as it commonly is of him, as man; though in this sense, he was always subject to his Father, ever since he was incarnate, whereas this seems to respect something peculiar at this time. Others therefore think, that the church, the mystical body of Christ, is here meant, which in all its members, and these both in soul and body, will be presented and delivered up to God; but the words are spoken of him under whom all things are put, which is not true of the church; and though that is sometimes called Christ, yet never the Son; and besides, the church has been always subject to God, though indeed, it will not be in all its members, and in every respect subject until this time: it is best, therefore to understand it of the Son's giving up the account of his mediatorial kingdom and concerns to his Father; when it will appear that he has in the whole of his conduct and administration been subject to him; that he has in all things acted in his name, done all by his power, and to his honour and glory; and now having accomplished all he undertook and was intrusted with, gives in his account, delivers up his charge, and resigns his office; all which will be plain proofs of his subjection: when I say he will resign or lay aside his office as Mediator, my meaning is not that he will cease to be God-man and Mediator; but that he will cease to administer that office as under God, in the manner he now does: he will be the prophet of the church, but he will not teach by his Spirit, and word, and ordinances as now, but will himself be the immediate light of the saints, he will be a priest for ever, the virtue of his sacrifice and intercession will always remain, but he will not plead and intercede as he now does; he will also reign for ever over and among his saints, but his kingdom will not be a vicarious one, or administered as it now is; nor be only in his hands as Mediator, but with God, Father, Son, and Spirit: http://www.biblestudytools.com/commentaries/gills-exposition-of-the-bible/1-corinthians-15-28.html |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:36pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel:wu made u judge? |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:36pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Ubenedictus: hahaha, u are pagan, You worship a 3-god god and you call me who worships ONE God a pagan ? |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:39pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ekt_bear: The one I don't understand is the praying to Mary or saints.if u have question abt this, i will b very happy to answer dem, just open a thread. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:44pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: I don't know why some people think the Bible would make simple things difficult to understand. If Jesus is Yahweh or His co-equal, he wouldn't have said he doesn't know when the end will come since Yahweh knows! Heck, he wouldn't have said ''the Father is greater than I'' since they 're co-equal! |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 2:45pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: Matthew 4:10 say we should only worship God yet Jesus approvingly received worship from angels and men, therefore He is God. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 2:49pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: ""CO - EQUAL"" in nature and essence only not in authority and role in The Trinity. You forgot one thing at your other thread, in Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version) "Then the Lord (Yahweh on the earth) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the Lord (Yahweh) out of heaven." So therefore its two persons been spoken of as Yahweh. That's the part you forgot (earth and heaven). Wesley's Notes 19:24 Then the Lord rained - from the Lord - God the Son, from God the Father, for the Father has committed all judgment to the Son. He that is the Saviour will be the destroyer of those that reject the salvation. http://bible.cc/genesis/19-24.htm |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:52pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: Where is the above written in the Bible  |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Ubenedictus(m): 2:55pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
Boomark: Na wa o for that Antenna creed.i have been away, i will answer dem wen i c dem. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 2:55pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
seriallink: Bible I thought you knew that the catholic standard is not the bible but 'church tradition' which is more like roman pagan tradition. 1 Like |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 3:00pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: Please can the scriptures back this point?? Why should the Father be greater than Jesus even in the smallest way if they were co-equal??why?? Then does the word co-equal still apply?? |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 3:18pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: When the scriptures use the greek word "" pro·sky·ne′o"" if not used in the right context we would contradict the bible and its truth.... That greek word means all these:::: worship,obeisance.bow down,prostrate...etc When Yahweh says let the angels "" pro·sky·ne′o"" Jesus,Yahweh was only telling the angels to bow down and show honor and respect to his exalted Son.......not to worship Jesus as there GOD....the GOd of the angels and Jesus is Yahweh...... We can't possibly worship 2 GODs,..... That will go against the whole scriptures..... It is Yahweh alone we are to worship.....Jesus was 100% correct when he gave satan that perfect rebuttal that it is Yahweh only we must worship....... And please have u followed up that link I pasted?? It gives u a perfect exegesis on what genesis 19:24 meant.... 2 Likes |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 3:32pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: Jesus was both God and man, since God can't die that means it was His human nature that died. Plain and simple. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 3:37pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: SMH!!!!!!......... And quote just 1 scripture to prove it.... We are waiting....... Then when Jesus was ressurected which part of Him was ressurected?? 1 Like |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 3:41pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
frosbel: How can He in the future be called "Father of Eternity", if He is not without begining or end - eternal - which is what the hebrew idiom means. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 3:49pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
seriallink: Jesus calling God His Father by nature and right is saying that He is equal to The Father in nature and essence, John 5:18. When I say such a person is my father by nature I am saying we have the same human nature. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 3:55pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: When such is done in a religious context it is worshp. They did it in a religious context to Jesus so it is worship of Jesus. Outside of a religious context it can be obeisance, respect, and so on, but the context here is religious in nature which make it worship in nature of Jesus. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 4:11pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: You anti-Trinitarians have failed to deal with scriptures the we put forth to you all that show that Jesus is God, you all just ignored them as if they don't exist, you all are very dishonest. For example John 20:28 (New International Version (©1984)) "Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!", Thomas correctly called Jesus God. John 5:18 (New International Version (©1984)) "For this reason the Jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the Sabbath, but he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God." Jesus revealed to the Jews that He was equal to God, and they understood that. If everything that was created and made were all created and made by Jesus then how could Jesus have being created unless He created Himself which is nonsense, Colossians 1:16 and John 1:3? Therefore He is Yahweh God Almighty. If Jesus is not God then what is the name that Matthew 28:19 speak of that is shared by all three persons in the Godhead? How do you explain 2 Peter 1:1 (New International Version) "Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours", and Titus 2:13 (New International Version) "while we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ"? All these passages above show that Jesus is God, and God is all knowing therefore Jesus is all knowing. Simple and logical but in your all dishonesty you all just ignore all these passages and the others as well. Genesis 19:24 (English Standard Version (©2001)) "Then the LORD (Yahweh) rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulfur and fire from the LORD (Yahweh) out of heaven." If Jesus in His preexistance is not one of the two persons that is referred to as Yahweh here in this passage then tell me who are the two persons here that are referred to as Yahweh? And remember Yahweh knows every thing therefore Jesus as Yahweh knows everything, simple and logical. If A = B, and B = C, then A = C. Plain and simple logic. John 21:17 also says Jesus knows everything. If someone tells me something to tell someone else how does that prove that I don't already know of that thing that I am told to tell someone else? Explain that to me. Haven't anyone ever told you anything that you didn't already know of or about (and to tell someone else of or about it)? Where is your all logic? 1 corinthians 15:24-28 is in harmony with what we Trinitarians are saying of The Son's subjection to The Father. Obediant children are all subject to their parents yet the children and parents all have the same human nature. The Trinity is one "what" (Yahweh God Almighty) and three "whos" (three persons). Like always you all are going to ignore all of the above in your all dishonesty. It was His human nature that was ressurected, that is what died. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by ijawkid(m): 4:13pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: The context there is that Jesus has been exalted over the angels and has been designated by Yahweh as king of Yahwehs kingdom...... The angels do not see Jesus as there God they render exclusive devotion to.... Yahweh is the one person who deserves all the worship.... Jesus himself has given you a perfect reply there in matthew... So your duty is to find out what the bible means when it says the angels should worship Jesus.... Phillipians explains it better by using the word ""bow down""...... |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by Nobody: 4:16pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
gbrookes02: All knowing? But, how come he doesn't know when the end will come He said only the Father knows! How do you explain that verse and a lot others? |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 4:18pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
What historical evidence do you all ant-trninitarians have to show that the Trinity doctrine is pagan. Because it is a lie of Satan to say that it is pagan. The bible teaches The Trinity but Satan the father lies say that it is pagan and you ant-trninitarians are all fooled by Satan. |
| Re: Dilemma : Is GOD a Trinity by gbrookes02: 4:21pm On Oct 12, 2012 |
ijawkid: So therefore it is a religious context in Heaven and thus it is worship of Jesus. You can't get away from that - the religious context that it is in Heaven. |
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