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Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by chiteny(m): 9:26pm On Oct 22, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Brother Jo, your statement on the highlighted part is very wrong. I thought we have discussed this before. Tithing was never done with money. Numbers 18:8. Money paid here was not for tithing but for heaves offering. Look back at my previous post. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 9:43pm On Oct 22, 2012 |
Pls explain it plainly for me. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ezme(m): 11:04pm On Oct 22, 2012 |
Joagbaje: 26 “‘No one, however, may dedicate the firstborn of an animal, since the firstborn already belongs to the Lord; whether an ox[a] or a sheep, it is the Lord’s. 27 If it is one of the unclean animals, he may buy it back at its set value, adding a fifth of the value to it. If he does not redeem it, it is to be sold at its set value. 28 “‘But nothing that a man owns and devotes to the Lord—whether man or animal or family land—may be sold or redeemed; everything so devoted is most holy to the Lord. Verse 27 clearly states what should be redeemed and the basis is that the said item is unclean. After Peter's trance God stated that nothing created by him should be called unclean so based on that, nothing can be redeemed presently as stated in verse 28 Brother Jo, pay more attention to details, your ability to arrange information brings about better understanding |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 1:59am On Oct 23, 2012 |
If The Tithe is a blind animal,The Giver redeemes It With Money . True or False ? Can you explain Verse 31 |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ezme(m): 6:54am On Oct 23, 2012 |
Joagbaje: If The Tithe is a blind animal,The Giver redeemes It With Money . True or False ? The condition for redeeming had been well spelt out in verse 27, your example of a blind animal here is entirely your idea. Unclean animals alone can be redeemed. Unless you still consider any item today as unclean which would be against the word of God directly. The doctrine of tithing as practiced today is man-made, besides Hebrew 7 brought tithing to an end. Once again, only you can tell yourself the truth. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Boomark(m): 8:20am On Oct 23, 2012 |
ezme: The next truth he will tell you is to mention a pregnant animal. Seems i don miss a lot for here. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by truthislight: 9:08am On Oct 23, 2012 |
Joagbaje: If The Tithe is a blind animal,The Giver redeemes It With Money . True or False ? was it the man's money that was tith at the first place? Redeemed or no redeemed we are still talking about the animal in question and not the man's monetary income your *redeemed* argument makes no sense at all since all we are running around here is still the animal. This redeemed issue is a no contest and especially since tith is not for christians your should stop defrauding people. QED |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 9:13am On Oct 23, 2012 |
ezme: No it's not my idea, I will respond to you fully much later. Pls maintain open heart |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ezme(m): 6:10am On Oct 28, 2012 |
Joagbaje: brother Jo... I'm still waiting on you over here |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by PastorKun(m): 8:05am On Oct 28, 2012 |
ezme: You go wait tire! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by pastormustwacc: 8:14am On Oct 28, 2012 |
For all of you paying tithes, this thread might be a good read for you. I am tired of argument. Go and disprove it, then, we can talk. I really wish to pay tithes, but i am not convinced. TITHING: New Testament Practice Or Old Testament Bondage |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 8:23am On Oct 28, 2012 |
ezme: Pastor Kun: Tithing topics are not very insteresting for me really .. I force myself to post. I will post after service today unfailingly . |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by PastorKun(m): 9:31am On Oct 28, 2012 |
Joagbaje: How would it be interesting for you when the truth being revealed has the potential to negatively affect your income. Every thing you have ever written about tithes on this forum as been thoroughly debunked biblically yet you are shameless enough to recylce the debunked lies you have stated in the past hoping some tithe victims will read and still remain in bondage. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by pastormustwacc: 9:47am On Oct 28, 2012 |
^^^I have exposed them all on my thread, that is why they cannot talk. The truth is very bitter! TITHING: New Testament Practice Or Old Testament Bondage Acts 16:16-19 Once when we were going to the place of prayer, we were met by a slave girl who had a spirit by which she predicted the future. She earned a great deal of money for her owners by fortune-telling. The owners were not bothered about the demon, so in short the demon was their friend because it was bringing them lots of money. This is the true nature of many human beings. And it is the main reason why many people go after false doctrine, because all they want is to enrich their pockets. And when they believe that the pastor will lead to prosperity (and you know - money answereth all things) - they follow, follow. May the Lord Almighty forgive us all. 2 Likes |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 8:38pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
ezme: God only accept prefect things. NO spottetd, wrinkle, blemish, blind either for tithes of offerings . Leviticus 22:22 Blind, or broken, or maimed, or having a wen, or scurvy, or scabbed, ye shall not offer these unto the Lord, nor make an offering by fire of them upon the altar unto the Lord. Deuteronomy 15:21 And if there be any blemish therein, as if it be lame, or blind, or have any ill blemish, thou shalt not sacrifice it unto the Lord thy God. Unclean animals alone can be redeemed. Unless you still consider any item today as unclean which would be against the word of God directly. People only gave what is needed in the temple as tithes And offerings. Anything outside that is given in cash . The doctrine of tithing as practiced today is man-made, besides Hebrew 7 brought tithing to an end. Heb 7 only stated the end of levitical order. We are back to the Melchizedek order . One major thing Melchizedek was known for was tithe. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ezme(m): 11:04pm On Oct 28, 2012 |
Joagbaje: brother Jo, these verses are talking about offerings not tithe, why are you going in circles? You cannot force the one-off action of Abraham on everyone, |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 1:42am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Same principles applies to tithes an offerings. So on what ground does a man redeem his tithes for money? |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by chiteny(m): 7:45am On Oct 29, 2012 |
pastormustwacc: ^^^I have exposed them all on my thread, that is why they cannot talk. The truth is very bitter! You just reminded me about a discussion I was having with a friend about a sensitive topic from the bible as well. I can't remember what we were talking on but I could remember his argument which went something like this: that is what my pastor said so I will do it. The moment I heard those words, I ended the discussion instantly as it would be useless arguing with fact from bible passages against someone who has made up his mind to do blindly what pastor says. It shows how many have been so brainwashed that they can't study the bible and reason on their own. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 7:58am On Oct 29, 2012 |
This is not about what a pastor say. But rather what the bible says . There was never a place where God put an end to tithing . Tithes and offering are for ever . But The myth I set out the debunk here is the idea that men never gave money as tithe . And I have proven that wrong. Giving of money as tithe is not today affair. I only cited here one of the many reason men gave money in tithes or offerings. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by truthislight: 8:22am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Joagbaje: This is not about what a pastor say. But rather what the bible says . There was never a place where God put an end to tithing . Tithes and offering are for ever . you know you are lying and you will keep on lying because of your greed that has kept you were you find yourself. Imagined telling your congregation that all the tith money you have collected from them all along is a mistake To you, this is impossible that is why you are here consolling your self. But will this help you when the judge of the univers arrives? |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Boomark(m): 8:53am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Aaah! Do you want him to become broke? |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by PastorKun(m): 9:03am On Oct 29, 2012 |
truthislight: Joagbaje you really need to ponder over the bolded above. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Boomark(m): 9:05am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Joagbaje: This is not about what a pastor say. But rather what the bible says . There was never a place where God put an end to tithing . Tithes and offering are for ever . Hebrew 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. The old covenant was faulty, the new covenant is perfect. Christ is now the high priest and we all are priests. So tithe has no place in the new covenant. Read Hebrew 7 and 8 well. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 9:37am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Boomark: Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc Christ is now the high priest and we all are priests. God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles. Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. So tithe has no place in the new covenant. Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus Read Hebrew 7 and 8 well. I have |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Joagbaje(m): 9:37am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Boomark: Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc Christ is now the high priest and we all are priests. God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles. Exodus 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel. So tithe has no place in the new covenant. Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus Read Hebrew 7 and 8 well. I have |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 9:48am On Oct 29, 2012 |
^^^ Jo , it is really becoming repulsive, stop defending a LIE !! Remember you must give account before GOD one day, this life will not last forever. There is no compulsion when serving GOD , everything from our bodies to our resources has to be offered willingly. To subjugate people with this 'FRAUD' is akin to doing the devil's bidding !! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Image123(m): 10:54am On Oct 29, 2012 |
holier than Jesus, them dey here oh. Even Jesus told us to tithe. i will never ever tear off Matthew 23 from my Bible, Amen. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 11:07am On Oct 29, 2012 |
anyone who enforces the tithe dogma on his/her church members is a charlatan !! |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Boomark(m): 11:17am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Joagbaje: |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by ijawkid(m): 11:18am On Oct 29, 2012 |
Image123: Even Jesus told us to tithe. . Image did you just write that or someone else did?? Make I take water wash my eyes.... |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Image123(m): 11:34am On Oct 29, 2012 |
ijawkid:you'd need more than water on this. |
Re: Can Tithing Teachers Help Us Explain These Verses by Nobody: 11:38am On Oct 29, 2012 |
ijawkid: The same false teachers who say we should tithe, are the same ones who preach the false doctrines of Trinity and eternal torment , no surprise here ! |
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