Image123:
you'd need more than water on this.

Maybe I need vinegar and acid too...lol....

Jesus never for once,not even by mistake preached or collected tithes...

I don't know how you read matthew 23 to arrive at what you said.......

Joagbaje:

Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc



God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.



Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus



I have

so men who are dying are still collecting tith in the new covanant?

"And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:" (Hebrews 7:5).

"And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth." (Hebrews 7:.

"For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." (Hebrews 7:12).

So men that are dying are still collecting tith in the new covanant?

Joagbaje:

Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek . This is simple enough. Tithing as a principle existed before the law. Likewise offering and some other spiritual principles . The law was only an interruption , the abolishing of the law does not negate principles which existed before the law. If that's the case , we should do away with offerings ,prayers, etc



God has always seen his people as priests . It's not a new testament thing . The new testament is based on old testament principles.

Exodus 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.



Men came up with that theory out of their greed or ignorance. There's no reference to such in scripture. Jesus spoke against sabbath and other things , but tithes was never spoken against . But rather endorsed by Jesus



I have

1 Is tithe a law in Israel?
2 Is priesthood a law in Israel?

Answer the questions well and correct you self.

The exodus 19:6 you quoted became fulfilled when the new covenant came to be. 1peter2:9

Image123: holier than Jesus, them dey here oh. Even Jesus told us to tithe. i will never ever tear off Matthew 23 from my Bible, Amen.

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

Joagbaje:

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

They were still under the old testament levitical priesthood.

Jesus Christ is now our High Priest of a better covenant , and we are therefore no longer obliged to adhere to this old testament rite.

To bring God's blessed children back under the law is dangerous.

Joagbaje:

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

touche

Boomark:

1 Is tithe a law in Israel?
2 Is priesthood a law in Israel?

You kindly enlighten us.

frosbel:

They were still under the old testament levitical priesthood.

Jesus Christ is now our High Priest of a better covenant , and we are therefore no longer obliged to adhere to this old testament rite.

To bring God's blessed children back under the law is dangerous.

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

Joagbaje:

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

Kindly explain why this is a spiritual principle. Also where the Apostles oblivious of this "spiritual" principle that it took over 500 years for tithing to be introduced to christianity by the now dis creditted catholic church. On what basis is a spiritual principle as it is obvious you cannot form a spiritual principle out of Abraham's one off tithes which was actaully based on a pagan babylonian tradition.

Joagbaje:

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

Wrong , it is a LIE !! a point blank LIE and FRAUD .

Joagbaje: This is not about what a pastor say. But rather what the bible says . There was never a place where God put an end to tithing . Tithes and offering are for ever .

I want to agree with this. God did not put an end to tithing, what he did was to put an end to the tithing practice he instituted (the practice of paying a tenth of farm produce to the Levites). Any other tithe practiced is personal to the payee, God did not ask for it.

Joagbaje:
There was never a place where God put an end to tithing.

Just like there was never a place where God instituted tithing before the law.

Joagbaje:
Tithes and offering are for ever .

Yes. offerings are for ever. History has it that pagan gods received tithes and offerings, even 'sango' continues to receive offering. The issue is not what is forever but the nature of offerings required of us as Christians. Did God demand that Christians render a tenth (as a minimum or lower threshold) of all their income? No! The preaching of tithe and offerings as being forever is an attempt to confuse and milk the congregation. It is a false gospel.

Joagbaje:
Tithing didnt originate in the law. Melchizedek order was higher in rank than levitical order . Christ is in continuation of Melchizedek order. Levitical order was for jews . Melchizedek was not for jews. Jesus is high priest in order of Melchizedek .

Because you must justify tithe, you continue to rubbish Christ's priesthood. How can you say Christ is replacing Melchizedek in office? You have succeeded in elevating Melchizedek and ranking him alongside Christ. I wonder what you hope to gain by this?

Joagbaje:

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

"[size=14pt]Yes, woe upon you[/size], Pharisees ([size=4pt]joagbaje[/size] ), and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden......"

Joagbaje are you saying anytime you read the quote above, you truly feel that it describes you? that Jesus was talking to you?

I know image123 considers himself a pharisee, the reason he's glued to Mathew 23:23

The message in Mathew 23:23 was for Scribes & Pharisees (hypocrites ), if you believe you belong to the category listed, you can continue to tithe

Joagbaje:
Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

Pastor Kun:

Kindly explain why this is a spiritual principle.

We've come to that point in a tithing discussion where Joagbaje takes the emergency exit

Image123:
touche

You and Jo both forgot that as at that time when Jesus uttered those words the Jews were still under the mosaic law....infact the high priest and under-priests were still carrying out there priestly duties......

The pharisees still were tithing....

I want you to open a verse were it says the apostles and early christians tithed or received tithes after Jesus' death and ascension.......

Sometimes I wonder if you guys actually understand why Jesus came and,died .....

Jesus is our new high priest.....all rites associated with the earthly priesthood and the then Temple has been abrogated.....

For one to preach tithing means we have to go back to the Law....then we'll have to re-appoint earthly priests that will offer animal sacrifices(because those priests received tithes)...also we will all have to worship in Jerusalem and no where else.... .......

You ready??

Zikkyy:

"[size=14pt]Yes, woe upon you[/size], Pharisees ([size=4pt]joagbaje[/size] ), and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden......"

Joagbaje are you saying anytime you read the quote above, you truly feel that it describes you? that Jesus was talking to you?

I know image123 considers himself a pharisee, the reason he's glued to Mathew 23:23

The message in Mathew 23:23 was for Scribes & Pharisees (hypocrites ), if you believe you belong to the category listed, you can continue to tithe

Hahahahahaha....

Zikky you funny die......

It seems they belong to the ""pharisee"" group Jesus was rebuking........

Joagbaje:

Matthew 23:23. (Living bible)
"Yes, woe upon you, Pharisees, and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden, but ignore the important things-- justice and mercy and faith. Yes, you should tithe, but you shouldn't leave the more important things undone.

Most religious men value Jesus words more than epistles . But they seem to turn blind eyes to this . Jesus said. We should tithe . Nobody in the bible ever said otherwise . Not even God.

Do you think Christ will rebuke any Jewish priest and tell him stop, I am now the high priest and lord of the Sabbath? Nor will he tell them to stop going to the temple cos he will set up a perfect tabernacle not made with hands for God(Heb 9:11. Tot u said u've read Heb).

Matthew 12:5-8
New American Standard Bible
(NASB)
5 Or have you not read in the Law,
that on the Sabbath the priests in
the temple [a]break the Sabbath
and are innocent? 6 But I say to
you that something greater than
the temple is here. 7 But if you had
known what this means, ‘I
DESIRE [c]COMPASSION, AND NOT A
SACRIFICE,’ you would not have
condemned the innocent.
8 [b]For the Son of Man is Lord of the
Sabbath.”

You guys should start focusing on what is happening in the heavenly temple where Christ is now the high priest according to the new covenant with God and not put your trust on what is happening in the Jewish temple made with hands.

Boomark:

1 Is tithe a law in Israel?
2 Is priesthood a law in Israel?

Answer the questions well and correct you self.

The exodus 19:6 you quoted became fulfilled when the new covenant came to be. 1peter2:9

They are all under the law according to the old covenant. That is why they are observed according to the rules God gave them.

Zikkyy:

"[size=14pt]Yes, woe upon you[/size], Pharisees ([size=4pt]joagbaje[/size] ), and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden......"

Joagbaje are you saying anytime you read the quote above, you truly feel that it describes you? that Jesus was talking to you?

I know image123 considers himself a pharisee, the reason he's glued to Mathew 23:23

The message in Mathew 23:23 was for Scribes & Pharisees (hypocrites ), if you believe you belong to the category listed, you can continue to tithe

hahaha.

And one of the more important things is giving to the poor. It is under loving your neighbours and more important than your tithe

Boomark:

They are all under the law according to the old covenant. That is why they are observed according to the rules God gave them.

But did it originate in the law? NO. So the emergence and exit of the law has no relevance. The order of Melchizedek is forever. As long as there's a highpriest ,there will be tithing and offerings. You can't separate the two. They per existed the law.

Boomark:

hahaha.

And one of the more important things is giving to the poor. It is under loving your neighbours and more important than your tithe

Giving to the poor existed under the law, so why don't you assume it's wrong now in the new testament?

Joagbaje:
Giving to the poor existed under the law, so why don't you assume it's wrong now in the new testament?

How can it be wrong when you know Jesus don't joke with the poor. It is everywhere in the NT that we should love our neighbor (including the poor). But where is it written in the NT that we should love in fixed percentages or give in fixed percentages?

Joagbaje:

But did it originate in the law? NO. So the emergence and exit of the law has no relevance. The order of Melchizedek is forever. As long as there's a highpriest ,there will be tithing and offerings. You can't separate the two. They per existed the law.

Then take an airplane , go straigth into the heavens and pay your tithes to Jesus who is now the high priest...

Are your pastors priests??......

SMH!!!!!!!!!

These CEC representatives on Nairaland owe their allegiance not to Christ but to MAMMON and their Pastor Chris.

ijawkid:

Then take an airplane , go straigth into the heavens and pay your tithes to Jesus who is now the high priest...

Are your pastors priests??......

SMH!!!!!!!!!

The reason pastors been investing in private jets to take the tithe collections to Jesus. They are collecting the tithe on Jesus behalf.

Zikkyy:

The reason pastors been investing in private jets to take the tithe collections to Jesus. They are collecting the tithe on Jesus behalf.

Lmao..

My belle don full for laugh. O......

Zikky you are really funny.....

Joagbaje:

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

there are two covent, one is Abrahamic the other is on the blood of Jesus.

The one that Abraham payed tith is Gone and that is the Abrahamic covanant.

There is nothing like Tithing preceded the law, because the law came under Abrahamic covanant that has pass and had served it purpose, and the head was Abraham.

In the new covanant that is in operation men that are dying dont collect tith, but christian operate base on love, giving is on love, from the heart and not under compulsion.

truthislight:
In the new covanant that is in operation men that are dying dont collect tith,

Congrats You succeeded in eliminating pastors from the tithe collecting equation. They fall under this category meaning they belong to old covenant and should not be collecting tithe

Zikkyy:

"[size=14pt]Yes, woe upon you[/size], Pharisees ([size=4pt]joagbaje[/size] ), and you other religious leaders-- hypocrites! For you tithe down to the last mint leaf in your garden......"

Joagbaje are you saying anytime you read the quote above, you truly feel that it describes you? that Jesus was talking to you?

I know image123 considers himself a pharisee, the reason he's glued to Mathew 23:23

The message in Mathew 23:23 was for Scribes & Pharisees (hypocrites ), if you believe you belong to the category listed, you can continue to tithe

Image and joagbaje are confuse on this mathew 23.

Let me explain.

It is the blood Of Jesus that kick started the operation/enforcement of the new covanant :

"Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you." (Luke 22:20).

So, when Jesus was on earth and talking to the pharisees in matthew 23:23 the new covanant had not come into force since he had not died by then, so, his statement was base on the Abrahamic covanant that was in force then, when he died that all changed.

That statement cannot be taken as a justification for tithing.

Joagbaje:

But did it originate in the law? NO. So the emergence and exit of the law has no relevance. The order of Melchizedek is forever. As long as there's a highpriest ,there will be tithing and offerings. You can't separate the two. They per existed the law.

Joagbaje:

Tithing pre existed Levitical priesthood. It's a spiritual principle.

there are two covent, one is Abrahamic the other is on the blood of Jesus.

The one that Abraham payed tith is Gone and that is the Abrahamic covanant.

There is nothing like Tithing preceded the law, because the law came under Abrahamic covanant that has pass and had served it purpose, and the head was Abraham.

In the new covanant that is in operation men that are dying dont collect tith, but christian operate base on love, giving is on love, from the heart and not under compulsion.

Your life is at stake.

truthislight:

Image and joagbaje are confuse on this mathew 23.

They are not confused, they know the truth since we have explained it to them countless times on this forum. They are just in denial and hanging on to straws to defend the filthy lucre called tithes they benefit from.

Joagbaje:

But did it originate in the law? NO. So the emergence and exit of the law has no relevance. The order of Melchizedek is forever. As long as there's a highpriest ,there will be tithing and offerings. You can't separate the two. They per existed the law.

So the law God gave the Israelites has no relevance? Which means you can pay your tithe any how and any time you want. Enter the temple and offer sacrifice as you want?
SMH!

What is the order of melchizedek that is forever?
Priesthood or tithing?
SMH!