Ubenedictus: u want marry am?

true2god: My question to u is not bible based u knw. Its just a honest man-to-man question and no offence. I still ask u, do u believe that all wat watchtower is teaching u as at now is true? If yes, dats ok. I am puttin it to u dat at least 7% of wat they r telling u today as bible truth will definitly be nuliffied as false in 15yrs time (wen the light becomes brighter).

And if u want to drag me into JW doctrinal changes over the yrs i will gladly give u many instances where they have changed their doctrine, or go back to doctrines\teachings the formally interprete in different ways.

I am not here talking about xmas, birthday, easter, or new yr celebrations.

Remeber that in the original JW teachin Jesus was not arch-angel michael as it is presently promoted by watchtower.

plappville:

So u want to say, PAUL did not refers that *Angel of the lord* during the crossing from Egypt to be *Christ*? what else do you want as prove?

pastormustwacc:
Well. . . . .i have learnt one thing here - and that is the fact that people interprete scriptures in many oritsi-ritsi ways. . .

frosbel:

Well I don't look at scriptures from the perspective of any church or institution. I look at scriptures afresh and according to the word of GOD.

Why should JW be correct, why not the SDA sects who do not believe that Angel Michael was Jesus, what about the 95% of other sects that do not hold this view ? Why must we conform to the JW point of view ?


Sorry , you can follow the guidelines and manuals of your sects, I have no such obligation, I simply read the bible and accept what it says.

TroGunn:

No way all these scriptures means Jesus existed only in God's mind before he was born:

John 1:1-3 -- "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made".

John 1:14 -- "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth."

John 6:62 -- "Then what if you were to see the Son of Man ascending TO WHERE HE WAS BEFORE?"

Prov 8:30 -- "Then I was the craftsman at his side. I was filled with delight day after day, rejoicing always in his presence"

Matthew 22:41-46 -- "While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.
He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
The LORD (Yahweh) said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?
And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions"".

And the popularity of a belief is no proof of it's correctness, otherwise you would believe the vastly more popular Trinity.
The Bible sorely is the source of true belief, not popularity.

I do agree we are overflogging it- true, some people will never accept what stares them in the face for whatever personal reasons. No point discussing it further.

truthislight:

if it was in the 17/1800c that someone came up to say that the bible does not teach/support christmas celebration you would have burnt such a person on a stake.

But today, those you burnt on a state have been proven to be on the right rather than your like.

If we are to consider the entering of God's kingdom on such basis, "your likes" will have miss out cause you today have come to believe that christmas has no biblical basis but pegan and had thrived in tradition.

But you and your kind dont/and will never learn.

I hope some people will not have to reward themselves with everlasting life at the end.

Ubenedictus: u want marry am?

Boomark:

This:
HEBREW 1:5.

plappville:

(NIV) Hebrews 1:4-9 Having "become" so
much better than the angels, as He has by inheritance
"obtained" a more excellent name than they.
For to which of the angels did He ever say: "You are My Son, Today I have begotten You"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, And He shall be to Me a Son"?
But when He again brings the firstborn into the world, He says: "Let all the angels of God worship Him."
And of the angels He says: "Who makes His angels spirits And His ministers a flame of fire."
But to the Son He says: "Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; [size=14pt] Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than "Your companions."[/size]

true2god: Lol.

Boomark:

WRONG!

This is where you and true2god are getting it wrong. If you should follow that then it means you must grab trinity with all thy heart and with all thy soul. This is what has blinded so many people: "majority carries the vote." Is it so with the way to the kingdom of God?

No body is talking about SDA, JW or watchtower. Put those things aside and start debunking any passage you feel is wrongly interpreted.

Boomark:

So you learnt how to make oritsi-ritsi in different way?

SMH!!!

Boomark:

WRONG!

This is where you and true2god are getting it wrong. If you should follow that then it means you must grab trinity with all thy heart and with all thy soul. This is what has blinded so many people: "majority carries the vote." Is it so with the way to the kingdom of God?

No body is talking about SDA, JW or watchtower. Put those things aside and start debunking any passage you feel is wrongly interpreted.

pastormustwacc:
You wan kill me with lafter ni?

I think we need a kinda poll to end this debate. Is Jesus=Michael, True or false?

true2god: Who told u i dnt believe in the unity of the godhead, the father, the son and the holy spirit as one? Dats the matter for another thread sha.

true2god: Who told u i dnt believe in the unity of the godhead, the father, the son and the holy spirit as one? Dats the matter for another thread sha.

truthislight:

^ ^^

this is not necessary.

No one will enter God's kingdom through poll.
Peace.

pastormustwacc:
Well, the apostles casted lots when they wanted to replace judas. Lots and polls na the same.

But are you implying that only 1 set of people will enter God's kingdom based on their view of arcangel michael being Jesus huh

true2God;..Who told u i dnt believe in the unity of the godhead, the father, the son and the holy spirit as one?

I worship (the father and the son) and pray to God through the son Jesus.

Hehehe, so palp na woman and e dey ask wether anoda person na woman

Ubenedictus to ihedinobi;...another good point, u are begining to sound more and more like my mum, i do remember her warning me never to argue a point of doctrine,

IHEDINOBI=UBENEDICTUS;..[size=16pt]I'm actually bothering because of you, Ubenedictus.[/size] It is no small matter to soil sacred things and continuing in this debate amounts to that. Is Jesus Christ God? Of course He is. What is the biggest argument for it? We are saved and children of God. If there is any other thing that is the Gospel, I do not recognize it and neither does the Bible.
[size=16pt]I made a clear write-up stating what the Trinity is and why it is true and undefended in the Bible[/size]. The answers from those of your company to that write-up were very unworthy of people who claim superior knowledge. I'm sorry that I will not post the link here because I'm done with all that foolishness. Anyway, nobody bothered to dissect my write-up and pick it apart logically. All I got was derision and cheap attacks.

UBENEDICTUS(response); no need to bother, im out.

truthislight:

what?

Pastormustwacc, you sure know how to look for trouble.

When did i say what you are saying.
Lol.

Your views.

Bring them on.

I simply said that entrance into God'skingdom is not based on polls. QED.

All the rest na you sabi.

It is God that knows who will enter his kingdom, and at the end at that.
Peace.

plappville:
(NIV) Hebrews 1:4-9
Having "become" so
much better than the angels, as
He has by inheritance
"obtained" a more excellent
name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did
He ever say: "You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You"?
And again: "I will be to Him a
Father, And He shall be to Me a
Son"?
6 But when He again brings the
firstborn into the world, He
says: "Let all the angels of God
worship Him."
7 And of the angels He says:
"Who makes His angels spirits
And His ministers a flame of
fire."
8 But to the Son He says: "Your
throne, O God, is forever and
ever; A scepter of righteousness
is the scepter of Your Kingdom.
9 You have loved righteousness
and hated lawlessness;
Therefore God, Your God, has
anointed You With the oil of
gladness more than "Your
companions."

BARRISTERS: Ubenedictus



can you see that you are not contributing anything to the tread? and moreso, have you forgotten what your mother told you? of course you told us, on this tread
https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/12



now are you loyal to your mum?

BARRISTERS: @ubenedictus

clearly you were told by a catholic like you(ihedinobi) that Trinity is undefended in the bible, you agreed thanked him,but here,we are defending every thing here with the bible,

see the discussion that you actually agreed that trinity was undefended in the bible;
https://www.nairaland.com/870257/worship-one-true-god-not/12





is it not very clear now that you and true2God wants us to return to the stone age? and continue with pagan practices? at least, 4 bibles outside the NWT actually rendered jesus an angel,the bible demand for three witnesses for a proof to be legitimate, now we have 4!

Boomark:

v3 ending and v4 happened when he ascended to heaven.

v5 is a question asked after he has been begotten. To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?" will your answer be angel Michael? It is obvious God did not say that to an angel.

As it is, that Jesus is God is without question. Submitting it to debate makes it less than the sacred cornerstone of life, Christianity and the Church that it is. I am fully convinced and have proved again and again that anyone can read anything they want into the Bible. The only way I know to prove that what is read is true is to see how it treats Jesus Christ. If it makes Him less than He truly is, then it is anti-Christ. It cannot make Him more, you cannot fill a full vessel.

I'm actually bothering because of you, Ubenedictus. It is no small matter to soil sacred things and continuing in this debate amounts to that. Is Jesus Christ God? Of course He is. What is the biggest argument for it? We are saved and children of God. If there is any other thing that is the Gospel, I do not recognize it and neither does the Bible.

Barristers, I do not mean to insult you or show you up for a fool. I have seen a lot of people like you. Filled with intellectual superiority and "mastery" of the Scriptures. You take for granted that you know the truth and nobody else does unless they are of your organization. You hinge your rejection of the Trinity more on the bad track record of the Roman Catholic Church than on anything else. I know that the gymnastics with interpretations are only an effort to validate your position as well. I have no quarrel with the rejection of any denomination. I simply refuse a rejection of the Bible as well simply because one tenet of it (the founding tenet in this case) is held by that denomination. That is ignorance and extreme foolishness.

I pointed out a few questions for anyone holding contrary views to the Trinity to answer here on this thread and on a new one that I opened. Responses were intellectually bankrupt. The most vehement were attacks on the concept of the Trinity whereas the actual answers to the difficulties I raised were practically murmured. I left the questions alone on my thread and simply asked how we are saved by Jesus's Death if He was not God. The answers (only two) were very poor, very deficient. I didn't bother to dissect them to avoid another firestorm.

I made a clear write-up stating what the Trinity is and why it is true and undefended in the Bible. The answers from those of your company to that write-up were very unworthy of people who claim superior knowledge. I'm sorry that I will not post the link here because I'm done with all that foolishness. Anyway, nobody bothered to dissect my write-up and pick it apart logically. All I got was derision and cheap attacks.

pastormustwacc:
Well, when you started talking about entering kingdom of God because i mentioned poll for who arcangel michael is? So who is the angel of covenant?

pastormustwacc:
So who is the angel of covenant?

v3 ending and v4 happened when he ascended to heaven.

v5 is a question asked after he has been begotten. To which of the angels did He ever say "You are my son...?" will your answer be angel Michael? It is obvious God did not say that to an angel.