true2god: The problem u hav is dat virtually evry1 dat had had encounter wit u on nairaland has knwn u and ur level of reasoning. So im not shocked at any of ur post.

true2god:
I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels, even tho' they (the messangers are not partcularly angels)

true2god:
Many bible translators never rendred this verse as angels 'of the covenant', most rendered it as 'messenger of the covenant'.

true2god:
U need to tink beyond d box most times; stop being irrational pls.

true2god:
Its unfortunate that foolishless and ignorance is no respect to any person or certificate.

true2god: Heb 1:5 reads 'for unto which of the angels said he(God) at any time, ''u r my Son, today have i beggoten u? And again, ''i will be to him a father and he shall be to me a son''.

Compare this verse with hw it was rendered in malachi u will understand better (if at all u hav the power of simple comprehension).

The problem with u is that WTS has beclouded ur sense or reasoning and judgement and its quite unfortunate. (I used to think u were logical and comprehend well but u always proved me wrong). If u dnt understand, the verse is simply tellin us dat at no time had God tell any angel (whether angel michael or not) ' u (Jesus) r my Son today hav i beggottn u'.

Ur willful misinterpretation of this simple verse (written in a very simple and understandable language) made me doubt ur integrity and honesty as a person. To justify ur mischief u start quotin encyclopedia and dictionary to nullify a simple verse dat, even a nursry sch pupil will easily grasped. Really dnt knw dat such pple still still exist. Its quite unfortunate.

TroGunn:

The 24 elders are likely humans who will "reign with Christ" in heaven. - Rev 20: 4-6

Since begotten means to produce, originate or bring forth, Christ was begotten at his creation, obviously as a spirit being, being the sole direct creation of the Father. This firstborn Son was different from all other sons of God, because all the other sons were created or begotten by Yahweh through that firstborn Son. - Colossians 1:15-20.
Note that this does not make Christ the Creator, since he was carrying out his Father's instructions. His Father is the sole Creator or source of all things. Christ was the agent used for creation after being created himself.

Christ's elevation, after his successful mission as a human relates to the titles he then received as prophesied in Isa 9:6. Though he was already only begotten Son by virtue of his being created first and also an archangel being a leader of angels, after his death as a human and resurection, God elevated him even further. Christ is indeed very mighty - only his Father Yahweh is mightier than him in all the universe.

Boomark:

I know all these things but i don't know him as an arch angel. That is what Hebrew said not.

Read Rev 4:4; 7:11; 14:3; 19:4 to see more about the 24 elders. Nothing in your quote suggest 24 elders will rule with Christ. In Rev 7:13 one of the elders explained a revelation to john.

Answer from my questions. They are very straight forward questions. Or is there anything you want to adjust in the questions 1-4 i asked?

Boomark:

Who are the elders in heaven? Are they angels? This will help you see what am thinking.

We are focusing at the point of "begottenation." when did the decree declared? "You are my Son...."

1 was it when he was above the angels b4 he came to the earth?

2 was he equal to the angels?

3 was it when he was made lower than the angels?

4 was it when he was glorified above the angels after his death?

I want you to tell me yourself, let me be sharpening my dagger.

BARRISTERS: @ plappville


you are funny, im enjoying your work on other threads too, it seems that some people cant sustain this tread, im not reffering to boomark, but others, what do you observe?

You re right, some people are a wast of time, i ve given up with @true2god, He rufuses to threat several questions. Keep crying of JW here and there.I suggest his user name to be changed to ◆lie2god◆ {@ true2go, am jokiing ooo}.

My question to u again is, 'is Jesus christ an angel'? U can do me a favour by bein straight about it

[size=18pt]yes[/size], he was once reffered to as angel malachi 3:1.

@ Barrister, pls i need u tell the whole world reading your long post so far, is Jesus christ an angel? Please answer yes or no.

i have answered in page 17 before, and im answering now again,[size=18pt] yes[/size], he was once reffered to as angel malachi 3:1.

John the baptist was also rendered (by some translations) as 'angel' as well in dis same verse and chapter of malachi.

barristers had long treated what idiot true2God just confirm in page 30 above,since in page 14 before thus;

[quote]all angels and spirit creatures are reffered to as 'sons of God' in the sense that they are ;all spirits,including jesus and God almighty, and that spirit form superceeds our human form.
(a) but the word 'angels'...meaning messanger/servant etc; in spirit form; 'angels'share the elementary task of beign delegated messanger/servant 'the office'

(b) human prophets, pastors etc are also worthy to be reffered to as messanger but share the office of 'messanger/servant too with angels but, 'in human form'

thats why an angel told john that ''they are fellows'' But he said unto me, 'Do not do it! I am a fellow servant with you [/b]and with your brothers the prophets and of all who keep the words of this book.

revelation 19 :10 answers your question,0 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: [size=14pt]I am thy fellowservant,[/size] and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
looking at the greek defination of angels
G32

ἄγγελος

aggelos

ang'-el-os

From ἀγγέλλω aggellō ; a messenger ; especially an angel ;[b] by implication a pastor: [priest]- [prophet] {angel} messenger.


(primary) use of the word (ang'-el -os)angel reffers to spirit beigns, like that of the son of man, as a messenger,

but (bolded defntn above) also has an extention (secondary) to a prophet, priests or pastors.of which john fell into that category! but the angel recognises his duties and funtion and declared to john that 'im a fellow servant'.

you do exist firstly as a phisical gender,male (primarily).before beign delegated to some duties,as a messanger/servant, that does not change you to spirits. no.

Angel/messengers are assignments delegated to (1)either spirit messanger, or (2) human messanger

so john was Gods messenger in humans form,that does not make him a spirit.

According ur ur reasoniing, John being rendered here as an angel is 'symbolic' or non literal but christ being renderec here as 'angel of the covenant' is literal.

Take an instance, many guys call their wife\girl friend 'my angel', does dat make ladies\women\wives\girls angels? No.

Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is not an Angel.

This is just pure heresy !!

BARRISTERS: true2God failed predictions

true2God

true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels


[size=14pt]what a doom prophet true2God! chai![/size]

plappville:

Waooh, see as you finish matter na....Kudos bros, i wouldn`t done i better!

plappville:

My broda, you kw all the things? yet you are stressing further? well if Hebrews says something that contradict other scriptures that clearly prove Christ has been the ★Angel of the OT★ why don′t you find out when or why did the bk of Hebrews wrote this? Did Jesus pre-existed as God or angel? its has to be one of the above, except you have something new to enlighten me on.

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

John and Jesus were called angels in the same verse. You brought a proof from Revelation which shows that angels of the churches are messengers.

Using Boomark's uniformity theorem, we agreed that in that verse, angel=messenger.

I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels, even tho' they (the messangers are not partcularly angels) while others do not.

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

truthislight:

bearing in mind that you are not new on this forum am very surprise that you did not show your face one bit to defend this your "doctrine" while it was being trashed out in this forum which i believed an honest person will have done, but no, you did not show your face then, but see you here shamelessly posting doctrines That most regulars here have already upgraded upon and are moving on.

What is really happening to you?

Has your hatred for the JW blinded you this much that you are still being blinded up to this level?

I am really having pity for you.

truthislight:

i pity for you really and what you stand for.

I hope you will not die of guilty conscience due to the lies you and your cohorts have posted/said on NL to defamed JW when there were no people to adequately defend the truth.

But see the same you st.pidly messing yourself up without an iota of bible truth/knowledge.

Your cry on this thread is a function of a troubled conscience and it will remained so until you start begging God for forgiveness for the lies you have stood for on this forum against the truth of God's word the bible.

Were there is light darkness cannot stand.

Your are a disgrace.

I just hope you will not have a heart problem the way you are going.

[size=18pt]Kettle(true2God) callin pot black[/size]. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

Malachi never called or interpreatwd Jesus as an angel, neither did any new testament apostle or teacher hold this view. Neither do 99% of oda xtain congregations held dis believe.

many authors rendered messengers as angels

BARRISTERS:

true2God failed predictions part 1(more parts are coming)


TRUE2GOD


true2God changing gear and making u turn, he agreed that some bible translations actually rendered malachi 3:1 as angels



what a doom prophet true2God!

I gave a full response, and if u r not mischievous in ur argument quote the full length of my response den u can do ur analysis.

I thought we have dealt with this angel=messenger thing. The problem now, is it that he was called an angel or what they meant by angel.

John and Jesus were called angels in the same verse. You brought a proof from Revelation which shows that angels of the churches are messengers.

Using Boomark's uniformity theorem, we agreed that in that verse, angel=messenger.

Hope u saw my recent post and u choose to turn a blind eye. Disprove my post i did just before now.

Hypocrites and liars (barrister\falsehoodisdarkness).

BARRISTERS:

i have adressed your response, but as a ysterday and paceless man, you only adressed truthislight, and jumped my response

even Boomark aknowledge it, see boldly on this page;

Boomark response;


do you ask yourself why someone that i adressed your post together is confirming this above, but you are lost, are you suffering from parkinsson's disease? if not you will not write these below;



again we are concerned about the topic 'jesus as archangel micheal or not' you were lost and using irrelevant to the topic issues as a cover up!

why are you snubbing your failed prophecy that i pasted, disprove it now! ole!

see you face below, Anofiaaaa!

Boomark:

Jesus existed as God not as an angel(god) or the Almighty GOD who is God over all. Godliness varies base on power.

Hebrew did not contradict the scripture. There is nothing to contradict. Hebrew laid the foundation. Until Hebrew is dealt with, what you guys are believing might not be what it is.

Lol. Dats mr Bean.

true2god: The problem u hav is dat virtually evry1 dat had had encounter wit u on nairaland has knwn u and ur level of reasoning. So im not shocked at any of ur post.

I still stand to be corrected, many authors rendered messengers as angels, even tho' they (the messangers are not partcularly angels) while others do not. Many bible translators never rendred this verse as angels 'of the covenant', most rendered it as 'messenger of the covenant'. John the baptist was also rendered (by some translations) as 'angel' as well in dis same verse and chapter of malachi. According ur ur reasoniing, John being rendered here as an angel is 'symbolic' or non literal but christ being renderec here as 'angel of the covenant' is literal. Take an instance, many guys call their wife\girl friend 'my angel', does dat make ladies\women\wives\girls angels? No.

U need to tink beyond d box most times; stop being irrational pls. The person of christ bears no ambiguity just dat the likes like u hav zeroed off ur mind to believ wishfully any doctrine passed acros to u without any sense of judgement or reasoning. Read the bible for ursef im sure ur opinion will be fine-tuned on dis subject matter.

The prophets of old renderd christ as mighty God (emphaticallly without ambiguity as broght in by watchtower org ), pslams quoted the father rendering the son thus:'your throne oh God is for ever and ever' . The father called the son 'God or mighty God' in some bible passages and not angel michael as u r being false made to believe.

Its unfortunate that foolishless and ignorance is no respect to any person or certificate.

[size=14pt]Kettle callin pot black[/size][/size]. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

[size=12pt]if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

Thats the issue, i am not a catholic.[size=14pt] I worship with the assemlies of God church.[/size] The issue most JW hav is dat anytime their falsehood is being laid bare u guys assume its a catholic.

true2god: Kettle callin pot black. I hav no hatred for JW or anybody but hatred for falsehood. I dnt even tink u read watchtower to see hw dey condemn christendom. Anyway dat apart. U called bible doctrines dogma and to u the following are not dogma:

1) Jesus christ starting his reign in 1914

2) Prophets of old will come down to earth in 1925 (berth serim).

3) the king of the north and the king of the south are both uunited states and nazi-germany before ww2 (reasonin frm the scriptures edition before 1945) and the king of the north and the king of the south were anglo-america and and the soviet union (reasoning frm the scriptures after 1945)

4) not all who witnessd world war 1 will die till Jehova make earth paradise (living forever in paradise on earth)

5) Blood transfussion is canibalis, but u can accept blood fraction (on medical issue)

6) Jesus christ is the mediator between God and only 144,000. Not all men. Etc

if any1 beleive on these pooo as truth being taught by JW, the person should hav his brain examined.

now, the real true2god has started coming out, and this has shown that your hanging unto this thread is not as a result of what you have to offer but you hate on JW.

You are free to post unverifiable claims as you like.

Can you please post bible doctrine and let us discuss it.

I am wandering what part of the bible that what you have posted contradict though i dont know the veracity of what you have posted Expercailly considering your dishonest anticident on this thread

can you post scriptures to help us understand what part of the word of God/ God's law that is being broken?

meanwhile, this sort of things are what your trade mark on this forum is all about since you dont have any light whatsoever to shine to others reading your post other than resorting to secondhanded means of attacking others.

Your presence here on this thread is a nuisance and is serving the purpose of the father of confussion satan the devil and that is exactly whose interest you have served so far since the bible is not your strength.

Dont worry, you will get you reward accordingly.