An0nimus my brother, I saw your recommendations o. Thanks for your input.

vickyO:
Yeah, some of us nurse secret curiousity...

I'm watching a movie now, THE RED TAILS, have you seen it?

Nope, tell me about it.

ihedinobi2: Luck ehn?! Unless you mean the fact that no human knows everything and therefore there is always some element of "unpreparation", luck doesn't mean much o. Brazil simply had a poor play structure. I noticed that they struggled with a lot of their matches. Not like The Netherlands at all. And the Germans evidently prepared for a tough game too when they played Brazil.

Consider this: Iran held Argentina to a goalless draw with a very strong defence until Messi tried for a shot from outside the penalty box. If he had been a poorer striker and/or the goalie had had faster reflexes, the game may have ended in a goalless draw. Yet the same Iran lost to Bosnia in such a pitiful manner (3-1). It would seem that the preparation for each game is with respect to the opponent as well as the resources available to the team. I couldn't watch Brazil's game against Germany (I mean, how do you turn on the TV and it's only 23 minutes into the game and Brazil, mighty Brazil, is down by five goals ?! Already?! Na winsh?). But I could tell that something must have gone terribly wrong and judging by some things I'd noticed earlier about their defence, an analysis I read later about that game that held that they had a poor defence made sense to me.

I think theirs was both poor planning and poor use of their resources and perhaps an underestimation of Germany. Germany too possibly overestimated them hehe and went on a shopping spree.

This makes sense, I kinda really agree with you... Dagr8t, what do ya think?

dagr8:
Nope, tell me about it.

I'm still watchin but so far so good it's been about the Blacks been denied a chance to participate actively in the US Army.. Right now they have been granted a chance to prove themselves and are enjoying a shooting spree in the German air base.... I give you a better review when I'm done..

ihedinobi2: What's The Red Tails about, vickyO?


Welcome, btw. It's been a while we saw you around here.

I just saw this, I refer you to my last response..


Thank you bro... Yeah... I'm working on being here more often..

vickyO: I'm still watchin but so far so good it's been about the Blacks been denied a chance to participate actively in the US Army.. Right now they have been granted a chance to prove themselves and are enjoying a shooting spree in the German air base.... I give you a better review when I'm done..

Looking forward to that

dagr8: Well, my mean point is that luck determines result too not only preparation.Chile was suppose to knock Brazil out of the tournament at the second round. But what happened, luck shined on Brazil and they are among the best four teams.
Yes luck is not all, but is a determinant

Should we say luck?? Why not say the ability to make use of whatever opportunity you encounter? Cause if you take a good look at most poorly coordinated teams that end up winning in games, you'll notice that they utilize properly every opportunity they have at netting the pig skin (ball), so they call it.

vickyO:

Should we say luck?? Why not say the ability to make use of whatever opportunity you encounter? Cause if you take a good look at most poorly coordinated teams that end up winning in game, you'll notice that they utilize properly every opportunity they have a netting the pig skin (ball), so they call it.

My dear, how would you describe a situation where a player who have been scoring goals even in unexpected angles, coming one on one with the keeper and yet waste the ball.
Or hit the bar 8 times ....haba ...We will all shout "kai, Messi is not lucky today o"...
But just one opportunity came for the opponent and he shoots the pig skin into the net...

TheBigUrban2:


When someone in power uses to the power to grant privileges to close friends while denying others the same opportunity, we call that corruption.
When someone in power uses the power to punish an innocent person, we call that corruption


English is spoken in both our countries. The definition of corrupt is the same.....

your still not getting me....let me try and pick out the keywords; 'corruption, innocent, privilleges, opportunities, friends and punishment.'

Now please present your case, with 'proof/evidence'

dagr8:
My dear, how would you describe a situation where a player who have been scoring goals even in unexpected angles, coming one on one with the keeper and yet waste the ball.
Or hit the bar 8 times ....haba ...We will all shout "kai, Messi is not lucky today o"...
But just one opportunity came for the opponent and he shoots the pig skin into the net...

A very funny illustration... Well, I said netting the ball not barring the ball.

vickyO:

A very funny illustration... Well, I said netting the ball not barring the ball.

We are still saying the same thing....when you are not lucky, you end up barring the ball with all your opportunities and the opponent is lucky to score with the ONLY opportunity available.

HumbledbYGrace: your still not getting me....let me try and pick out the keywords; 'corruption, innocent, privilleges, opportunities, friends and punishment.'

Now please present your case, with 'proof/evidence'

https://www.nairaland.com/1498542/seun-mukina-please-address-incompetent#19192590

dagr8:
We are still saying the same thing....when you are not lucky, you end up barring the ball with all your opportunities and the opponent is lucky to score with the ONLY opportunity available.

So you're saying when the ball hits the bar, there is no luck and vice versa..... Well whatever it is we feel or think makes the ball hit the net, it doesn't matter so long as a winner emerges.


Let's drop this football talk jare....

What does that arabic mean?

vickyO:
So you're saying when the ball hits the bar, there is no luck and vice versa..... Well whatever it is we feel or think makes the ball hit the net, it doesn't matter so long as a winner emerges.


Let's drop this football talk jare....

What does that arabic mean?

It means "have you received Jesus into your life?" ...
I was just testing it then before the NL crash and the thing came back with the restoration....

dagr8:
It means "have you received Jesus into your life?" ...
I was just testing it then before the NL crash and the thing came back with the restoration....

Ok... Do you speak Arabic?

TheBigUrban2:




https://www.nairaland.com/1498542/seun-mukina-please-address-incompetent#19192590

can you bring in something fresh?

We need that, after the volcano erupted.

vickyO:

Ok... Do you speak Arabic?

jagwalgwa le ...I only understand basic. I was taught for 3 yrs when I was younger. Trying to re-learn very well

dagr8:
jagwalgwa le ...I only understand basic. I was taught for 3 yrs when I was younger. Trying to re-learn very well

That's very good.. I'm trying to walk in your foot steps. You seem to have an affinity for languages... Just signed up for french lessons, I hope I pick up quick...

vickyO:

That's very good.. I'm trying to walk in your foot steps. You seem to have an affinity for languages... Just signed up for french lessons, I hope I pick up quick...

affinity? may be...but I am not good with learning new languages. Igbo beat me hands down.

Learn french fast fast and come and teach me

HumbledbYGrace: can you bring in something fresh?

We need that, after the volcano erupted.

Hello, run away...How is school?

dagr8:
Hello, run away...How is school?

Runaway what? It always has a surname.

Done with school for now, I'll be working full time for this six months. Its been hectic, m still waiting.

Ekaro btw

dagr8:
affinity? may be...but I am not good with learning new languages. Igbo beat me hands down.

Learn french fast fast and come and teach me

Ok, Monseiur Dag8t..

vickyO:

Ok, Monseiur Dag8t..

Thanks Manquer vicikyO

dagr8:

Thanks Manquer vicikyO

OKAY!

HumbledbYGrace: Runaway what? It always has a surname.

Done with school for now, I'll be working full time for this six months. Its been hectic, m still waiting.

Ekaro btw

Runaway chatboxer

Great! Money will start rolling in, please remember me as you earn.
waiting for?
Ekaro too. I believe every is good

vickyO:

OKAY!

How is the movie going?...I have to go now..Hope you will be around much later?

Well, if no one has a thought to share...

My approach is that even as Christians we are citizens. We should be involved in, not indifferent to, the politics of our locales. But what kind of involvement? Should we be part of uprisings? Protests of any kind? Should we join pressure groups and forums? I think that barring violence, we should offer our opinions in a democracy. And in a civilized way.

There is language and there are sentiments that don't fit into Christ. The rage against GEJ, for instance, can get pretty nasty sometimes and when a Christian is caught up in it his testimony is nullified. I think that Christians should be judges, in the sense of examiners. We should endeavor to understand the issues at play before issuing verdicts and opinions. Sometimes, the hysteria that is generated because of a loud complaint concerning a perceived wrong can make it difficult to actually hear what the problem is and identify solutions so we join an escalated form of mob justice not unlike the ones where some perceived criminal is thronged and burned alive without a chance to plead his case. So Christians should generally distance themselves from hysteria and attempt to find all the facts before promoting a point of view.

Having said that, it is true that corruption and vested interest can be a strong force to reckon with in a polity so much so that people might wonder why anybody should waste their timey protesting. But, we know that the less popular a system of things gets the harder it works to entrench itself and when it sees that it cannot do so by force, it tries to do so by compromise. This is why despite some racism that does yet exist, laws prohibiting it exist as well. That was accomplished despite resistance from the establishment. So marches and protests and other non-violent methods evidently work even if they do take time.

In fact, things brought about by force of arms are soon questioned by new force of arms. As long as might is right, philosophy and moral imperatives mean nothing and only the strongest need ever win. This ensures that there is never any peace and allowance for development because the cycle of natural life means that things start from weakness to grow strong then they decline back into weakness at which time new contenders dissolve the polity in chaos with new violence. So violent revolution is hardly sustainable unless it yields way to philosophy and moral imperatives, a system that can be sustained by conscience. Any system that begins with violence and does not shift into conscientious leadership will have to sustain itself with violence and that means repression and censure until someone grows strong enough to break it or spark a grassroots conscience-driven rebellion that comprises non-violent methods until either the establishment yields or some greater force of arms answers in the behalf of conscience AND leaves afterwards.

Now, this is how things play out ordinarily in real life. For the Christian, civilized protest goes in hand with prayer. Because America's or the UN's intervention where people are crying out because of oppression is analogous to God's Own Intervention when people are oppressed. And God's Means of Intervention are inexhaustible. He has raised nations in the past to avenge the oppressed. He has also employed miracles to deliver the oppressed. He has used enterprise to save the downtrodden. It is never wise to assume God's Place in the affairs of men because the one who does it will eventually fall to arrogance.

So when a government is abusing its power, we should take it to the God Who instituted it. Then follow that with deliberate refusals to contradict God's Own Laws of Life even at the behest of the same government. There is a kind of rebellion that is not insolent and captures the imagination and conscience of the authority in view.

dagr8:
How is the movie going?...I have to go now..Hope you will be around much later?

It's going good, it's a long one...

Ok, I'll try to be..

HumbledbYGrace: can you bring in something fresh?

We need that, after the volcano erupted.

Okay. Have fun

ihedinobi2: Well, if no one has a thought to share...

My approach is that even as Christians we are citizens. We should be involved in, not indifferent to, the politics of our locales. But what kind of involvement? Should we be part of uprisings? Protests of any kind? Should we join pressure groups and forums? I think that barring violence, we should offer our opinions in a democracy. And in a civilized way.

There is language and there are sentiments that don't fit into Christ. The rage against GEJ, for instance, can get pretty nasty sometimes and when a Christian is caught up in it his testimony is nullified. I think that Christians should be judges, in the sense of examiners. We should endeavor to understand the issues at play before issuing verdicts and opinions. Sometimes, the hysteria that is generated because of a loud complaint concerning a perceived wrong can make it difficult to actually hear what the problem is and identify solutions so we join an escalated form of mob justice not unlike the ones where some perceived criminal is thronged and burned alive without a chance to plead his case. So Christians should generally distance themselves from hysteria and attempt to find all the facts before promoting a point of view.

Having said that, it is true that corruption and vested interest can be a strong force to reckon with in a polity so much so that people might wonder why anybody should waste their timey protesting. But, we know that the less popular a system of things gets the harder it works to entrench itself and when it sees that it cannot do so by force, it tries to do so by compromise. This is why despite some racism that does yet exist, laws prohibiting it exist as well. That was accomplished despite resistance from the establishment. So marches and protests and other non-violent methods evidently work even if they do take time.

In fact, things brought about by force of arms are soon questioned by new force of arms. As long as might is right, philosophy and moral imperatives mean nothing and only the strongest need ever win. This ensures that there is never any peace and allowance for development because the cycle of natural life means that things start from weakness to grow strong then they decline back into weakness at which time new contenders dissolve the polity in chaos with new violence. So violent revolution is hardly sustainable unless it yields way to philosophy and moral imperatives, a system that can be sustained by conscience. Any system that begins with violence and does not shift into conscientious leadership will have to sustain itself with violence and that means repression and censure until someone grows strong enough to break it or spark a grassroots conscience-driven rebellion that comprises non-violent methods until either the establishment yields or some greater force of arms answers in the behalf of conscience AND leaves afterwards.

Now, this is how things play out ordinarily in real life. For the Christian, civilized protest goes in hand with prayer. Because America's or the UN's intervention where people are crying out because of oppression is analogous to God's Own Intervention when people are oppressed. And God's Means of Intervention are inexhaustible. He has raised nations in the past to avenge the oppressed. He has also employed miracles to deliver the oppressed. He has used enterprise to save the downtrodden. It is never wise to assume God's Place in the affairs of men because the one who does it will eventually fall to arrogance.

So when a government is abusing its power, we should take it to the God Who instituted it. Then follow that with deliberate refusals to contradict God's Own Laws of Life even at the behest of the same government. There is a kind of rebellion that is not insolent and captures the imagination and conscience of the authority in view.

Ihedinobi,


Sir, I would like to know what you studied. Dont worry, it is not for debate sake.

I am just curious about it. I know Joshthefirst is a medical student and Anony must have finished his masters by now