cheddarking:


My Man, I am simply seeking knowledge, same as you brothers...

plaetton:

No buddy.
I never mentioned monetized religion as a reason for my conversion. If you read my post arefully, my main thrust is that I was never ever religious in the first place, so the question of conversion never happened. I was pointing out the continuing deterioration of the religious output due to its its faulty DNA.
Today's Monetised chirstianity is just one of the many symptoms the faulty DNA.

2good: Why is the mod allowing this Cheddarking of a person to derail this thread?

musKeeto:

Anony wouldn't be so 'sure' of his stand in Christ now if he hadn't been an atheist and quite strangely a 'satanist' too..

My point: everything has a purpose....

BoboYekini: Aww, I hoped I would see more young women breaking off the shackles of religion. Bothers me really, now that one must think of getting a wife. I shall have to open a seperate thread about that.

musKeeto: PRE-CONVERSION

Catholic Dad deeply influenced by Igbo tradition. Pentecostal Mom who wasn't quite so religious. Morning devotions. Ended up at a Christian secondary school in my teens.

Fasting. Prayer. Madness. Hypocrisy. I was young but was quite sure there was something wrong with the Christians I met. The Student Christian Mission leader was a classmate and if there ever was a sinner, he was one. Yet, the chaplain had apparently seen Jesus in a vision who asked him to 'anoint' him leader of the fellowship. If the blood of Jesus washes sins, that guy needed at least 3 Jesus.
I hardly ever studied the Bible, except the odd times I had a bad dream or just felt bored, but I lived a more 'moral' life than these guys. One of them even walked up to me one day and asked 'Are you a spirit-ko, or just a good guy?'.. Up to this point, I'd never given the question of God's existence much thought.

Secondary school over. Freedom. YAY. Not so fast young man. Mom wiped OAU Ile-Ife off my jamb form without my knowing and inserted the name of one of the private Christian universities. Summer break's over and I resume classes with lots of anger in my heart. As expected, it's almost a repeat of my secondary school if not worse. It didn't take long. I became an atheist without realizing it. The Bible, and religion as a whole, meant nothing to me.

End of the first semester and I return home for the Xmas holidays worse than what I was when I left. A deep hatred for pastors. A deep hatred for church. A deep hatred for religion. A week later, I lost my siblings and friends in the Sosoliso plane crash....

musKeeto: PRE-CONVERSION

Catholic Dad deeply influenced by Igbo tradition. Pentecostal Mom who wasn't quite so religious. Morning devotions. Ended up at a Christian secondary school in my teens.

Fasting. Prayer. Madness. Hypocrisy. I was young but was quite sure there was something wrong with the Christians I met. The Student Christian Mission leader was a classmate and if there ever was a sinner, he was one. Yet, the chaplain had apparently seen Jesus in a vision who asked him to 'anoint' him leader of the fellowship. If the blood of Jesus washes sins, that guy needed at least 3 Jesus.
I hardly ever studied the Bible, except the odd times I had a bad dream or just felt bored, but I lived a more 'moral' life than these guys. One of them even walked up to me one day and asked 'Are you a spirit-ko, or just a good guy?'.. Up to this point, I'd never given the question of God's existence much thought.

Secondary school over. Freedom. YAY. Not so fast young man. Mom wiped OAU Ile-Ife off my jamb form without my knowing and inserted the name of one of the private Christian universities. Summer break's over and I resume classes with lots of anger in my heart. As expected, it's almost a repeat of my secondary school if not worse. It didn't take long. I became an atheist without realizing it. The Bible, and religion as a whole, meant nothing to me.

End of the first semester and I return home for the Xmas holidays worse than what I was when I left. A deep hatred for pastors. A deep hatred for church. A deep hatred for religion. A week later, I lost my siblings and friends in the Sosoliso plane crash....

Othmany: just because i wear the military uniform to steal doesn't make all soldiers thieves.my point is great evil has been done in the name of christianity but that does not mean christianity is evil.it is a change of live from the inside no matter what others have made of it

Othmany: just because i wear the military uniform to steal doesn't make all soldiers thieves.my point is great evil has been done in the name of christianity but that does not mean christianity is evil.it is a change of live from the inside no matter what others have made of it

musKeeto:
The fact that 'evil people' are present in all religions/sects/groups as well as good people should point you to the fact that whatever makes people 'good' or the reason people are good goes beyond religious beliefs. Also, good and evil are concept. Slavery favored the advancement of the west, as for the blacks...

frosbel: ^^^

There is something called gratitude.

No matter how high your morals are, if you cannot show gratitude for the basic things of life, you are immoral.

In fact gratitude is one of the hallmarks of civility and humility, of course , this is me talking from the perspective of a Christian.

I have not started to address all the points you and co brought up in this post, but let me summarize a few points because of time :

1. You have a personal duty to research truths for yourself, no one can do this for you.
2. If you are disillusioned with Christianity because of what you heard or what someone told you , you are to blame because you , like me in those days , never really bothered to find out if those things were true, we followed them blindly
3. If you are disgusted with Christianity because of the behavior of it's adherents , we all are but it also signifies that you agree with the basic principles of the righteous decrees but refuse to follow them because of others.
4. God is not on his knees begging you to believe in him, there is no coercion in religion.
5. Jesus Christ approached the subject of salvation from the default position of only a few accepting the truth of GOD's love for mankind and his yearning to save them from perpetual death.

[quote author=Logicboy03]


Such arrogance. Always assuming that people leave christianity for the wrong reason; the behaviour of other chrstians/what they heard. Man people leave christianity because it doesnt make sense.

5. Jesus Christ approached the subject of salvation from the default position of only a few accepting the truth of GOD's love for mankind and his yearning to save them from perpetual death.


So, Yaweh in his infinite wisdom could not find out a better way to forgive mankind other than
-to torture and sacrifice his son
-to ruin Judas's life
-to allow roman government corruption (leading to the death of Jesus)

frosbel:

In your case, just like me a number of years ago, you were NEVER a Christian to begin with. You were born into the catholic church and automatically received membership through your parents.

This means then, that you NEVER encountered Christ in a personal way through the new birth. You were not and still are not a Christian, so there has not been any real change in your case.

You cannot leave something you never belonged to in the first instance !

frosbel:
Ignorance is a disease. When was the last time you actually read the bible as opposed to rehashing old hand nonsense !

Logicboy03:

Lol, the same arrogance again. So, your "spiritual knowledge" told you that I didnt believe in christ as a catholic? I didnt read the bible (the parts selected by church)? Gaddem arrogance.

Furthermore, a protestant like you only shows ignorance when you try to say that catholics arent christians.

Let me make this easy for you- if you cant ttrace your united church's history tp the 1st, 2nd or 3rd centuries, please, you have nothing to say about a church that can.

faced with a logical argument, abuse and run....it's the only way you know. Are you giving a good name to christianity now? Are you surprised when people leave the faith?

frosbel: ^^^

There is something called gratitude.

No matter how high your morals are, if you cannot show gratitude for the basic things of life, you are immoral.

In fact gratitude is one of the hallmarks of civility and humility, of course , this is me talking from the perspective of a Christian.

I have not started to address all the points you and co brought up in this post, but let me summarize a few points because of time :

1. You have a personal duty to research truths for yourself, no one can do this for you.

2. If you are disillusioned with Christianity because of what you heard or what someone told you , you are to blame because you , like me in those days , never really bothered to find out if those things were true, we followed them blindly

3. If you are disgusted with Christianity because of the behavior of it's adherents , we all are , but it also signifies that you agree with the basic principles of the righteous decrees , and refuse to follow them because of others. In other words no personal responsibility or accountability.

4. God is not on his knees begging you to believe in him, there is no coercion in religion.

5. Jesus Christ approached the subject of salvation from the default position of only a few accepting the truth of GOD's love for mankind , and his yearning to save them from perpetual death.

frosbel:

You cannot turn the bible on it's head.

You have to ask yourself this simple question :

How did people become Christians in the early days, not the catholic way , but the bible way. They did this by :

1. Repenting from their sins
2. Baptism with water by immersion and at an age of awareness
3. infilling with the holy spirit
4. living a new life in Christ.

Contrast that with the unscriptural and pagan method of the catholic church :

1. If your parents are members, so are you
2. Baptism as a baby with the sprinkling of a few drops of water on the forehead
3. Confession
4. Confirmation

etc etc


The catholic method is not only wrong , it is null and void.

I repeat you never knew Christ.

frosbel:

Ignorance again.

I am not a protestant, I am a follower of JESUS Christ or a Christian for want of a better word.

frosbel:
church history is meaningless to me, because the church is not the physical entity that you once belonged to, it is the assembly of all true believers who have been called out from the world to follow JESUS from death into life and for a more worthy , higher and nobler cause.

frosbel:
I am addressing your points head on, what ? you want me to cower in the face of your fallacy ?

musKeeto: Are the stories over? Is this the point where the Christians/Muslims initiate steps to re-convert their prodigal brothers to their fold? Would logicboy lose his 'disbelief'? Would frosbel, cast off his 'hatred' for the immoral atheists, and be able to distinguish Christ from the church? Will Mohammed be ever disassociated from Islam? Have these stories shaken the faith of the 'spiritually unfulfilled' folks? Which is the true religion? Will muskeeto stop being a punk? And pick up the cross wey im drop since last year?

Stay tuned, folks... Not since the Crucifixion has there been so much drama, intrigue.. And silent viewers...


Hehehe, just to say this thread finally beat the 'christian' version on views count.. Shout out to all the silent viewers...

Logicboy03:

See the lies u have started to tell against the catholic church? Who told you that people become catholics by inheritance? It is a state of mind and an acceptance of the creed. Credo

By the way millions of catholics werent baptized as babies some converts and some parents didnt baptize their children until cathecism. You dont know anything about the catholic church and it is clear. The catholic church accepts christ and the bible. End of story.

You dont realise it, but you failed the moment you started claiming that I was not a christian like you were there 22 years of my life. The worst part of it is that you have no shame insulting someone's past that you know nothing of.

Tell me, how does a non-christian look at christians like you? Fighting other christians and calling them non-christians because of their docrine which is centuries older than your united church?[/b]

You are a protestant. Ignorance is your hobby.

A protestant is still a christian

Church history is meaningless? So if your church supported slavery and molestation, it would be meaningless to you?

Anyways, you are a joke. You can preach all you want but I am not a Jewish slave that would believe that all God's prophets came from the middle east.

Addressing my points head on? Did you address the point that God couldnt find a better way to fogive mankind than human sacrifice?

frosbel: @cyrex I promise to respond later on today.

cheddarking: LMAO at Frosbel trying to engage illogicalboy in debate...

I mean the boy's profile says this:

"Islam and Christianity are foreign religions that mentally enslave us W/Africans. "

Conveniently forgetting that ATHEISM is also foreign to West Africa...

LMAO

Illogicalboy is a bundle of laughs I swear...

cyrexx:


okay, then.

Btw, the name is Cyrexx, with double x.

frosbel:

State of mind, lol , first I am hearing of this.

acceptance of the creed and this means you know GOD by accepting creeds ?

frosbel:
how were you baptised ?

frosbel:
If you were not born again the bible way , as stated previously , you were NEVER a Christian.

I was in a catholic situation for about 18 years but never once considered myself as a Christian in retrospect.

frosbel:
Try another from of blackmail !

frosbel:
Where you ever baptised with the Holy Spirit ? Did you once repent totally from your sins ? was there any witness in your spirit that you were a child of GOD ?

"You, however, are controlled not by the sinful nature but by the Spirit, if the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Christ." - Romans 8:9

frosbel:
What am I protesting about

I am a Christian , period !

frosbel:
Your church did, i.e catholic church , my church did not.

frosbel:
and ? somebody has to come from somewhere , no ?

If Jesus came from the Yoruba race, you would have called me a Yoruba slave , no ?

frosbel:
But you read your bible, you should know . I mean if after 22 years of reading the bible you never understood the basics, no wonder you are in the pitiable situation that you are in today.

Laziness has a price.

cyrexx:
Btw, the name is Cyrexx, with double x.

[quote author=Logicboy03]


So, you accept that you were wrong on what it took to be a catholic? Dont try to change the topic and be a mocker

Of course not !

creed
/krēd/
Noun
-A system of Christian or other religious belief; a faith.
-A formal statement of Christian beliefs, esp. the Apostles' Creed or the Nicene Creed.
Synonyms;
belief - credo - faith - religion - persuasion

Is there any other form of baptism? I was baptised as a young boy and not a baby.

What the f4ck is a catholic situation? Just shut up. Either you were a catholic or not.

By the way, believing in christ is what makes one a christian and not some Pentecostal definition of "born again"

Your church didnt exist when the catholic church did those things. Simple

You would be a slave to Yoruba mythology. Simple.

Yawn. Nice try to escape again. I asked you a simple question and you are fumbling and trying to escape. You have no clue and you are trying to put the question back to me- "you should know"