funny..yes na..agreed

good, now we have another 12 thrones, below;

And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel..MAT.19:28.

and later we have thrones,and only one identity of one person was given that sat on one of the throne,
who sat on other thrones were not mentioned! below;

Daniel 7:9

"As I looked, [size=14pt]"thrones were set in place,[/size] and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

now, it seems that taking the stock of those who sits on thrones already prepared here seemed difficult! and anyone seated must have left or right, so if jesus sit on on one throne, he must have those one the right and left

the greek word in luke 22:69; 'right hand' G1188 δεξιός dexios is traanslated the right side or (feminine) hand (as that which usually takes ): - right ({hand} side).

it does not merge two persons, but still refer to a side, of a person,

see other usage of 'right hand' G1188 δεξιός dexios

Matt 27:38 Then were there two thieves crucified with him, one on the right hand,G1188 and another on the left.G2176

real_Berni:

good, now we have another 12 thrones, below;



and later we have thrones,and only one identity of one person was given that sat on one of the throne,
who sat on other thrones were not mentioned! below;

Daniel 7:9

"As I looked, [size=14pt]"thrones were set in place,[/size] and [b]the Ancient of Days [/b]took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

now, it seems that taking the stock of those who sits on thrones already prepared here seemed difficult! and anyone seated must have left or right, so if jesus sit on on one throne, he must have those one the right and left

@ emboldened, not so fast bro...you are getting excited with your revelations...i posted a scripture for you which you are yet to respond to..am a bible student not a scholar and i asked questions alot..so who is the Ancient of days in this scripture?

@ emboldened, not so fast bro...you are getting excited with your revelations...i posted a scripture for you which you are yet to respond to.

which scripture?

you can read my replies again, there is no scripture that i have not responded to!

.am a bible student not a scholar and i asked questions alot..so who is the Ancient of days in this scripture?

if you ask questions, but dont answer questions, its not fair, it has to be both parties responding to questions,

as for the ancient of days, let the bible aswer that;

Daniel 7:13
13 “I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man, and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him.

ancient of days, its a title, and was used in this context for Almighty God, and ,not for jesus! at least for now!

1 Timothy 3:16
King James Version (KJV)
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,[size=14pt] seen of angels[/size], preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory

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bolded above, so God was also an angel?

can you explain that?

i have solved it in my first post, using zechariah chp 12.

@I.CHUKA.....smh!!!!......I can't believe you said this "" without Christ,your so called Almighty
God has no power and can do nothing
without going through Christ"".......

That statement is an insult to Yahweh who is the Father and GOD of Jesus.....your statement is an insult to the[b]one[/b] who gave Jesus life and every single thing Jesus has.........

do you see what the trinity is doing to you and what it has done to you.??....................smh!!!!!..........

can we have a response to this? i chuka

ijawkid: @Real-beni......good job........

@I.CHUKA.....smh!!!!......I can't believe you said this "" without Christ,your so called Almighty
God has no power and can do nothing
without going through Christ"".......

That statement is an insult to Yahweh who is the Father and GOD of Jesus.....your statement is an insult to the[b]one[/b] who gave Jesus life and every single thing Jesus has.........

do you see what the trinity is doing to you and what it has done to you.??....................smh!!!!!..........

Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!
And i believe YAHWEH in Hebrew meant "I AM",well Christ told the Israelites that "I AM" is who HE is..Jhn8:58.so bro,if your Yahweh is not Christ then he's a BIG FRAUD!!

real_Berni: .

bolded above, so God was also an angel?

can you explain that?

i have solved it in my first post, using zechariah chp 12.

where did i write God was also an angel? Do u mean to say "seen of angels?"
point of correction u don't solve scriptures....it is the Holy Spirit that teaches comparing scriptures with scriptures.

real_Berni: @i chuka


those many people dont seem to seek the truth, let me show you this;

jesus is 'a God' or Mighty God, but not the [size=16pt]Almighty[/size] God, nowhere in the bible shows jesus as the almighty, can you dispute that? show me pls!

you can imagine why God almighty made jesus to be born through the 'house of David' through the tribe of judah,

now, thats why 'the house of David is like God', the same way 'an angel of the lord before them too was like God'

read;

zechariah 12:8 king james version

''and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

can you see that the capital letter 'G' was actually used above! and not god 'g' lowercase!(note the difference here; Psalm 82:6 "I said, 'You are "gods"; you are all sons of the Most High.',
so,no big deal in calling someone god as you can see in psalms above!

but then;

Exodus 14:19

''Then the angel of God, who had been traveling in front of Israel's army, withdrew and went behind them. The pillar of cloud also moved from in front and stood behind them'',

do you want to know this angel of the lord, 'who is like God'?

there is still more to come, my brother!

.......and the house will be like God, like the angel of the Lord going before them.......I hope there is a comma in ur bible after God and moreso why will the bible mention "Angel of the LORD" if really the angel was god as u claimed.

i.chuka:

Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

Chei.......you are a disgrace to christianity and to the scriptures.......so when the bible calls Jesus the ""power of God"" you immediately conclude that Yahweh can't do a thing without Jesus??...........smh!!!!...........Jesus being the power of GOD only means Gods power was displayed towards and through Jesus,just like every other servant of God has......the difference is that in Jesus' case he was given more power and through Him Yahweh would accomplish more..........



Jesus proved to be the long awaited messiah,Yahwehs annointed one,foretold to manifest the ""spirit of mightineSs""...read isaiah 11:1-5 to confirm that.........

Let's read malachi 5:4 to see what it means when Jesus is called ""power of God"" so that you don't go around deluding yourself....
______________________________
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He will stand and shepherd them in[b]in the strenght of Yahweh[/b] , in the majestic name of Yahweh His God. They will live securely, for then His greatness will extend to the ends of the earth.
_______________________________
That scripture lucidly shows that Jesus acted in the strenght of Yahweh,just like moses and all faithful servants of God acted........Jesus being the power of God connotes nothing more than Jesus being used by Yahweh to accomplish powerful works..........Jesus was annointed with power to carry out great works which made paul rightly call him the power of GOD......

Acts 10:38....
_______________________________
New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
_______________________________

Jesus was filled with Gods power and will carry out Yahwehs works.......Yahweh has always accomplished his powerful works through his agents or servants....and Jesus isn't excluded..........who ever God is with becomes the power of God or a tool of GOD..........that is why Jesus repeatedly said the things he does are not of his own,but that of HIM(Yahweh) that sent him(Jesus)...........Jesus is Gods agent,son,servant,apostle etc..........for you to now say Yahweh is powerless without Jesus is an insult and if you had existed in the times of the isrealites would have been struck down...........just because Jesus has sent forth his disciples to preach today just as Yahweh sent Jesus to the earth does not make Jesus powerless.....would you be happy if someone comes up to tell you that Jesus is powerless simply because we carry out his command to preach here on earth??.........please go and read the scriptures and stop this blasphemy..........

i.chuka:


And i believe YAHWEH in Hebrew meant "I AM",well Christ told the Israelites that "I AM" is who HE is..Jhn8:58.so bro,if your Yahweh is not Christ then he's a BIG FRAUD!!

Lol.......was Jesus telling the pharisees his name or for hÓw long he had existed??.......

You are the fraud for insinuationg that Jesus' name is Yahweh.......the pharisees knew what the messiahs name was,they were only worried about how old Jesus was.....from the context of john 8:58 the question the pharisees asked and the reply Jesus gave was centered around AGE and not around the tetragramatton and its meaning.....you are the scam!!!!!!.........Yahweh is not Christ and Christ is not Yahweh..........even a 2 year old knows this basic fact...but as I can see the trinity has clouded your whole brain...........smh!!!!!!!!!!........go back and read the scriptures and stop this madness!!!!!!........

Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh.......Jesus himself quoted those words.......Yahweh is the name of 1 person and not 2 or 3.........

i.chuka:

Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

Chei.......you are a disgrace to christianity and to the scriptures.......so when the bible calls Jesus the ""power of God"" you immediately conclude that Yahweh can't do a thing without Jesus??...........smh!!!!...........Jesus being the power of GOD only means Gods power was displayed towards and through Jesus,just like every other servant of God has......the difference is that in Jesus' case he was given more power and through Him Yahweh would accomplish more..........



Jesus proved to be the long awaited messiah,Yahwehs annointed one,foretold to manifest the ""spirit of mightineSs""...read isaiah 11:1-5 to confirm that.........

Let's read malachi 5:4 to see what it means when Jesus is called ""power of God"" so that you don't go around deluding yourself....
______________________________
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He will stand and shepherd them in[b]in the strenght of Yahweh[/b] , in the majestic name of Yahweh His God. They will live securely, for then His greatness will extend to the ends of the earth.
_______________________________
That scripture lucidly shows that Jesus acted in the strenght of Yahweh,just like moses and all faithful servants of God acted........Jesus being the power of God connotes nothing more than Jesus being used by Yahweh to accomplish powerful works..........Jesus was annointed with power to carry out great works which made paul rightly call him the power of GOD......

Acts 10:38....
_______________________________
New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
_______________________________

Jesus was filled with Gods power and will carry out Yahwehs works.......Yahweh has always accomplished his powerful works through his agents or servants....and Jesus isn't excluded..........who ever God is with becomes the power of God or a tool of GOD..........that is why Jesus repeatedly said the things he does are not of his own,but that of HIM(Yahweh) that sent him(Jesus)...........Jesus is Gods agent,son,servant,apostle etc..........for you to now say Yahweh is powerless without Jesus is an insult and if you had existed in the times of the isrealites would have been struck down...........just because Jesus has sent forth his disciples to preach today just as Yahweh sent Jesus to the earth does not make Jesus powerless.....would you be happy if someone comes up to tell you that Jesus is powerless simply because we carry out his command to preach here on earth??.........please go and read the scriptures and stop this blasphemy..........

i.chuka:


And i believe YAHWEH in Hebrew meant "I AM",well Christ told the Israelites that "I AM" is who HE is..Jhn8:58.so bro,if your Yahweh is not Christ then he's a BIG FRAUD!!

Lol.......was Jesus telling the pharisees his name or for hÓw long he had existed??.......

You are the fraud for insinuationg that Jesus' name is Yahweh.......the pharisees knew what the messiahs name was,they were only worried about how old Jesus was.....from the context of john 8:58 the question the pharisees asked and the reply Jesus gave was centered around AGE and not around the tetragramatton and its meaning.....you are the scam!!!!!!.........Yahweh is not Christ and Christ is not Yahweh..........even a 2 year old knows this basic fact...but as I can see the trinity has clouded your whole brain...........smh!!!!!!!!!!........go back and read the scriptures and stop this madness!!!!!!........

Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh.......Jesus himself quoted those words.......Yahweh is the name of 1 person and not 2 or 3.........

ijawkid:
Chei.......you are a disgrace to christianity and to the scriptures.......so when the bible calls Jesus the ""power of God"" you immediately conclude that Yahweh can't do a thing without Jesus??...........smh!!!!...........Jesus being the power of GOD only means Gods power was displayed towards and through Jesus,just like every other servant of God has......the difference is that in Jesus' case he was given more power and through Him Yahweh would accomplish more..........



Jesus proved to be the long awaited messiah,Yahwehs annointed one,foretold to manifest the ""spirit of mightineSs""...read isaiah 11:1-5 to confirm that.........

Let's read malachi 5:4 to see what it means when Jesus is called ""power of God"" so that you don't go around deluding yourself....
______________________________
Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He will stand and shepherd them in[b]in the strenght of Yahweh[/b] , in the majestic name of Yahweh His God. They will live securely, for then His greatness will extend to the ends of the earth.
_______________________________
That scripture lucidly shows that Jesus acted in the strenght of Yahweh,just like moses and all faithful servants of God acted........Jesus being the power of God connotes nothing more than Jesus being used by Yahweh to accomplish powerful works..........Jesus was annointed with power to carry out great works which made paul rightly call him the power of GOD......

Acts 10:38....
_______________________________
New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
_______________________________

Jesus was filled with Gods power and will carry out Yahwehs works.......Yahweh has always accomplished his powerful works through his agents or servants....and Jesus isn't excluded..........who ever God is with becomes the power of God or a tool of GOD..........that is why Jesus repeatedly said the things he does are not of his own,but that of HIM(Yahweh) that sent him(Jesus)...........Jesus is Gods agent,son,servant,apostle etc..........for you to now say Yahweh is powerless without Jesus is an insult and if you had existed in the times of the isrealites would have been struck down...........just because Jesus has sent forth his disciples to preach today just as Yahweh sent Jesus to the earth does not make Jesus powerless.....would you be happy if someone comes up to tell you that Jesus is powerless simply because we carry out his command to preach here on earth??.........please go and read the scriptures and stop this blasphemy..........







Lol.......was Jesus telling the pharisees his name or for hÓw long he had existed??.......

You are the fraud for insinuationg that Jesus' name is Yahweh.......the pharisees knew what the messiahs name was,they were only worried about how old Jesus was.....from the context of john 8:58 the question the pharisees asked and the reply Jesus gave was centered around AGE and not around the tetragramatton and its meaning.....you are the scam!!!!!!.........Yahweh is not Christ and Christ is not Yahweh..........even a 2 year old knows this basic fact...but as I can see the trinity has clouded your whole brain...........smh!!!!!!!!!!........go back and read the scriptures and stop this madness!!!!!!........

Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh.......Jesus himself quoted those words.......Yahweh is the name of 1 person and not 2 or 3.........

Lol,
You see,that's the problem.throwing PEARLs to Swine/Dogs...Matt7:6.
Though in a more extrem case if the dog/swine is willing truthfully then the Children leftover can be given on to them..Matt15:27.
So dude,whenever you are ready for the Crumbs do let me know.

i.chuka:

Lol,
You see,that's the problem.throwing PEARLs to Swine/Dogs...Matt7:6.
Though in a more extrem case if the dog/swine is willing truthfully then the Children leftover can be given on to them..Matt15:27.
So dude,whenever you are ready for the Crumbs do let me know.

Lol....when you are ready to discard the pagan trinity dogma let me know...........you barely can see because you got a big veil covering your vision..the trinity that is.....

i.chuka

Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above, and if you dont agree with it, others that come on the tread will reason with it. bible never teach that God is under or subject to jesus,never but in your own case you seemed to be angry at the boded verse above, such that you are calling almighty God 'my so called almighty' thats extreeme.

now let me show you that God had at a time made jesus Even lower than the angels,

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see [size=14pt]Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels,[/size] for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

chuka,

pls who made Jesus, a little lower than the angels?

and, do you see how powerful the ALMIGHTY GOD IS?

comment pls!

real_Berni: i.chuka



1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above, and if you dont agree with it, others that come on the tread will reason with it. bible never teach that God is under or subject to jesus,never but in your own case you seemed to be angry at the boded verse above, such that you are calling almighty God 'my so called almighty' thats extreeme.

now let me show you that God had at a time made jesus Even lower than the angels,

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see [size=14pt]Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels,[/size] for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

chuka,

pls who made Jesus, a little lower than the angels?

and, do you see how powerful the ALMIGHTY GOD IS?

comment pls!

That's the sole reason i asked you earlier your understanding about the Tittle the FATHER and the SON.
Because,the tittle FATHER and SON was for a specific reason.
Grasp/apprehend the meaning,you can then see through the verse you quoted.

real_Berni: i.chuka



1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above, and if you dont agree with it, others that come on the tread will reason with it. bible never teach that God is under or subject to jesus,never but in your own case you seemed to be angry at the boded verse above, such that you are calling almighty God 'my so called almighty' thats extreeme.

now let me show you that God had at a time made jesus Even lower than the angels,

Hebrews 2:9

9 But we see [size=14pt]Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels,[/size] for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.

chuka,

pls who made Jesus, a little lower than the angels?

and, do you see how powerful the ALMIGHTY GOD IS?

comment pls!

lemme help you with this..cos the way you keep on harping on YAHWEH AS IF HE IS DIFFERENT FROM JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BAFFLES ME..pls have you seen God before? look at what these translation says in John 1:18

New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.



International Standard Version (©2012)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”




No man hath seen God at any time - This declaration is probably made to show the superiority of the revelation of Jesus above that of any previous dispensation. It is said, therefore, that Jesus "had an intimate knowledge of God," which neither Moses nor any of the ancient prophets had possessed. God is invisible: no human eyes have seen him; but Christ had a knowledge of God which might be expressed to our apprehension by saying that he saw him. He knew him intimately and completely, and was therefore fitted to make a fuller manifestation of him. See John 5:37; John 6:46; 1 John 4:12; Exodus 33:20; John 14:9.

This passage is not meant to deny that men had witnessed "manifestations" of God, as when he appeared to Moses and the prophets (compare Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 6:1-13); but it is meant that no one has seen the essence of God, or has "fully known God." The prophets delivered what they "heard" God speak; Jesus what he knew of God as his equal, and as understanding fully nature

That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Everyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile -- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Paul has here quoted from Joel 2:32: "Everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved." Yet Paul applies the statement to Christ. Consider also Acts 2:21 where the same passage is quoted from Joel and Peter again applies it to Jesus. Or Acts 4:10-12, where Peter says:

Then know this, you and everyone else in Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you completely healed. He is "the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone." Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

Salvation is through the Son, whether in the Old Testament or the New. Notice also what Isaiah 43:11 says:
I, even I, am Yahweh,
and apart from me there is no savior.

Sorry about the lengthy post,but i want you to get a perfect understanding of scriptures and try to see where our bro...i.chuka is coming from...stay blessed.

lemme help you with this..cos the way you keep on harping on YAHWEH AS IF HE IS DIFFERENT FROM JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT BAFFLES ME..pls have you seen God before? look at what these translation says in John 1:18

So what the bible says now has automatically becomes ''the way you keep on harping on YAHWEH AS IF HE IS DIFFERENT FROM JESUS OF THE NEW TESTAMENT''i did not write what is written in 1 Corinthians 15:27-28.

you are yet to supply a direct scripture that categorically says that God is subject in anyway to jesus! but i have supplied 2,.... (1)1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (2)hebrews 2:9 both scriptures shows that (1)jesus is subject to God,and not the same as God.(2)God even made jesus lower than the angels at a particular time.

read this again for the uptenth time, as it Nulifies the claim that christ is the head but rather "[size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus)"

read

1 Corinthians 15:27-28

27 For “He(God) has put all things under His(jesus) feet.”[size=14pt] But when He(God) says “all things are put under Him(jesus)[/size],”[size=18pt] it is evident that He(God) who put all things under Him(jesus) is excepted. [/size]

28 Now when all things are made subject to Him(jesus), [size=18pt]then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him(God)[/size] who put all things under Him(jesus), that God may be all in all.

Honestly, the perfect answer to the topic have been supplied above

New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever seen God, but God the One and Only, who is at the Father's side, has made him known.

New Living Translation (©2007)
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us.

English Standard Version (©2001)
No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father’s side, he has made him known.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.



International Standard Version (©2012)
No one has ever seen God. The unique God, who is close to the Father's side, has revealed him.


Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
No man has seen God at any time; The Only Begotten God Who is in the bosom of The Father, he has declared him.”

English Standard Version (©2001)
and the house of David shall be like God, like the angel of the LORD, going before them.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of the LORD before them.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
and the house of David will be like God, like the Angel of the LORD, before them.

International Standard Version (©2012)
The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
and David's family will be like God, like the Messenger of the LORD ahead of them.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

American King James Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

American Standard Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of Jehovah before them.

Douay-Rheims Bible
and the house of David, as that of God, as an angel of the Lord in their sight.

Darby Bible Translation
and the house of David as God, as the Angel of Jehovah before them.

English Revised Version
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

Webster's Bible Translation
and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.

World English Bible
and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of Yahweh before them.

Young's Literal Translation
And the house of David as God -- As a messenger of Jehovah -- before them.

we are not denying that jesus is a GOD! the way the house of david is like GOD! so also the lords angel's.

but God Almighty is NOT the same as jesus! HE is not subject to jesus when he put all things under jesus 1 cor 15:27-28.

No man hath seen God at any time - This declaration is probably made to show the superiority of the revelation of Jesus above that of any previous dispensation. It is said, therefore, that Jesus "had an intimate knowledge of God," which neither Moses nor any of the ancient prophets had possessed. God is invisible: no human eyes have seen him; but Christ had a knowledge of God which might be expressed to our apprehension by saying that he saw him. He knew him intimately and completely, and was therefore fitted to make a fuller manifestation of him. See John 5:37; John 6:46; 1 John 4:12; Exodus 33:20; John 14:9.

This passage is not meant to deny that men had witnessed "manifestations" of God, as when he appeared to Moses and the prophets (compare Numbers 12:8; Isaiah 6:1-13); but it is meant that no one has seen the essence of God, or has "fully known God." The prophets delivered what they "heard" God speak;

we are not denying that jesus knew much about God, because he was created first by God, before any other creation;

Proverbs 8:22-24

22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;

jesus was appointed Gods firstborn and NOT THE FIRSTBEIGN.

Psalm 89:27 I will also appoint him my firstborn, the most exalted of the kings of the earth.

colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation

Jesus what he knew of God as his equal, and as understanding fully nature

LIE! BIG LIE!

let me show you what jesus understanding of GOD was

John 14:28
New International Version (NIV)
28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, [size=14pt]for the Father is greater than I.[/size]

esus did not give any condition for this statement! He is subject to God, God is greater!

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That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Everyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile -- the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."

Paul has here quoted from Joel 2:32: "Everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh will be saved." Yet Paul applies the statement to Christ. Consider also Acts 2:21 where the same passage is quoted from Joel and Peter again applies it to Jesus. Or Acts 4:10-12, where Peter says:

Then know this, you and everyone else in Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead, that this man stands before you completely healed. He is "the stone you builders rejected, which has become the capstone." Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.

Salvation is through the Son, whether in the Old Testament or the New. Notice also what Isaiah 43:11 says:
I, even I, am Yahweh,
and apart from me there is no savior.

there is no big deal in sharing titles with GOD, FOR EXAMPLE jesus said "i and my father are one''

John 10:30 "I and the Father are one."

are you happy with that? okay see below 'Believers too are part of the oneness of God and christ, see that;

John 17:21

21 that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us [size=14pt]so that the world may believe that you have sent me.[/size]

so that the world (including Bidam)may believe that you(God) have sent me(jesus)

jesus did not send himself but a servant of God! why is it difficult to accept that jesus was sent by a superior?

Sorry about the lengthy post,but i want you to get a perfect understanding of scriptures

there is NO perfect understanding here except juxtaposing scriptures that do not even relate to the topic, [size=14pt]null void and of no relevance in anywaywhatsoever[/size]!

i chalenge you to show just one scripture that says God is 'subject to christ' or that God cannot do anything without Christ authority.

but i can gladly show you scripture without juxtaposing scriptures! that christ is subject to God! and was even made lower than angel at a particular time!

That's the sole reason i asked you earlier your understanding about the Tittle the FATHER and the SON.
Because,the tittle FATHER and SON was for a specific reason.
Grasp/apprehend the meaning,you can then see through the verse you quoted.

i duly answered you! but got no replies again! but again,im putting up with any false teachings that depicts a different jesus and God, we are to reject it outrightly, read now;

2 Corinthians 11:4

"[size=18pt]For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the Spirit you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough.[/size]


if you are trying to code God and jesus differently so as to rubish a truth you do not want to accept, desist pls, thanks!

@real berni..no one is arguing or in a debate with you about d omnipotency, omnipresence and omniscience of God..God is evrywhere, infact He is not far from us, for in Him we live and move and have our being( acts 17:28). If i remember the topic of the OP clearly..it's abt the Headship of Christ..and most of the scriptures i quoted in response to your post are all related to the topic..rather u are the one trying to derail the thread because you don't agree with the trinity doctrine..the Op never even mentioned "Trinity" before you went on ur propaganda parade.. Christians are to submit to the headship of Christ which is exercised through His Spirit(phil2:10; rom8:14). You can never come to God except thru Jesus..even in the OT..satan has every right to take the life of everyone(rom3:23) but satan has no right to take the life of Jesus..he went too far(2 cor5:21)..thats why Christ is the headship of the church(phil2:10)..pls understand d OP.

Bidam: @real berni..no one is arguing or in a debate with you about d omnipotency, omnipresence and omniscience of God..God is evrywhere, infact He is not far from us, for in Him we live and move and have our being( acts 17:28). If i remember the topic of the OP clearly..it's abt the Headship of Christ..and most of the scriptures i quoted in response to your post are all related to the topic..rather u are the one trying to derail the thread because you don't agree with the trinity doctrine..the Op never even mentioned "Trinity" before you went on ur propaganda parade.. Christians are to submit to the headship of Christ which is exercised through His Spirit(phil2:10; rom8:14). You can never come to God except thru Jesus..even in the OT..satan has every right to take the life of everyone(rom3:23) but satan has no right to take the life of Jesus..he went too far(2 cor5:21)..thats why Christ is the headship of the church(phil2:10)..pls understand d OP.

We understand the OP..but I.chuka went a little further in trying to equate Jesus with the almighty or like you said there is no difference between the almighty Yahweh and his son $ servant Jesus..........real berni was only clarifying issues as regards that" LIE"....

Real berni only came up with the reminder that whilst Jesus is the head of man and the Chri§tian congregation,that same Jesus has a head over him who he is subject to............if this reminder is not established many would think Jesus' authority has no limit or that Jesus is HEAD over everyone(with the Father inclusive)...........

Thank you.....

ijawkid:

We understand the OP..but I.chuka went a little further in trying to equate Jesus with the almighty or like you said there is no difference between the almighty Yahweh and his son $ servant Jesus..........real berni was only clarifying issues as regards that" LIE"....

Real berni only came up with the reminder that whilst Jesus is the head of man and the Chri§tian congregation,that same Jesus has a head over him who he is subject to............if this reminder is not established many would think Jesus' authority has no limit or that Jesus is HEAD over everyone(with the Father inclusive)...........

Thank you.....

And is there anything wrong if i say Jesus is equal with God? Or do you think i manufactured such statements from my brain? Look @ phil 2:6 and tell me what u think..when i say "equal" i am reffering it in an adjectival phrase of God glory, splendour,majesty,nature, essence, the same in operation or effect and having adequate means or ability..i never said Christ is greater than Yahweh..hope u get the gist.

Bidam

the Op never even mentioned "Trinity" before you went on ur propaganda parade..

please can you go back to my first question to i.chuka in the previous page, it reads ive copied it here for clarity sake;

real_Berni:to i.chuka

then what is christ relation ship with God Almighty, is God same or under christ supremacy? answer pls, waaiting!

i.chuka :to real berni

That in the name of JESUS every shall bow,in Heaven,on Earth and under the Earth..Phillp2:10.
Every other name is under the canopy of the name of Jesus.

it was then that i quoted the bible verse that knocked out any plan to include God "as subject to Christ" when phil 2:10 says 'all things in heaven/earth is BEIGN PUT under christ, 1 c0rinthians 15:27-28 says God 'who put these things under christ 'was not included' but,all all things are put under jesus,jusus himself too will be subject to God who put all things under jesus, while God will be all in all

that is;

God own the wide canopy as while =

christ is a subject under Gods canopy =

all other things are also subject under christ through whom even we direct our prayer to God.

HAVE I MENTIONED TRINITY IN ANY OF MY POST, NO AND IF YOU SEE JUST ONE,PASTE IT HERE! AND IF YOU CANNOT FIND ONE MENTION OF TRINITY IN MY OWN POST, IT SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU TERMED AS PROPAGANDA IS A MISINFORMED CONCEPTION,

IF CHUKA DID NOT REPLY ME THAT EVERYTHING INCLUDING GOD IS UNDER CHRIST CANOPY,AND EVEN WENT FURTHER TURNING ALMIGHTY GOD TO ''A SO CALLED ALMIGHTY GOD IS POWERLESS WITHOUT CHRIST(do you agree with that?)'' I WOULD NOT HAVE REPLIED! OKAY, ALL I HAVE DONE HERE IS TO SHOW THAT BIBLE DID NOT TEACH THAT GOD IS UNDER JESUS CANOPY,IM STILL READY FOR ANY OBJECTION TO THAT WITH BIBLE CATEGORICALLY STATING THAT,AND NOT JUXTAPOSE!

And is there anything wrong if i say Jesus is equal with God? Or do you think i manufactured such statements from my brain? Look @ phil 2:6 and tell me what u think..when i say "equal" i am reffering it in an adjectival phrase of God glory, splendour,majesty,nature, essence, the same in operation or effect and having adequate means or ability..i never said Christ is greater than Yahweh..hope u get the gist.

No, even John 10:30 jesus says "I and the Father are one." does that makes him the same person or equal to God?

'Believers too are of the oneness of God and christ, so are believers equal with God?, see it again;

John 17:21

"Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us [/b]so that the world may believe that you have sent me".

so that the world (including Bidam)may believe that you(God) have sent me(jesus)

jesus did not send himself but a servant of God! so who is the servant here Bidam, and you still see jesus equal to his sender, his oga, na wa ooo. why is it difficult to accept that jesus was sent by a superior?

zechariah 12:8;
[b]The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size], like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

"The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size]"

if The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, then can we say that 'the house of david where jesus was born' are co equal to God?

can you see that?

but an affirmation from christ himself reads

John 14:28

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, [size=14pt]for the Father is greater than I.[/size]

you have a right to your view pls, im not stopping you pls.

real_Berni: Bidam


please can you go back to my first question to i.chuka in the previous page, it reads ive copied it here for clarity sake;

real_Berni:to i.chuka



i.chuka :to real berni



it was then that i quoted the bible verse that knocked out any plan to include God "as subject to Christ" when phil 2:10 says 'all things in heaven/earth is BEIGN PUT under christ, 1 c0rinthians 15:27-28 says God 'who put these things under christ 'was not included' but,all all things are put under jesus,jusus himself too will be subject to God who put all things under jesus, while God will be all in all

that is;

God own the wide canopy as while =

christ is a subject under Gods canopy =

all other things are also subject under christ through whom even we direct our prayer to God.

HAVE I MENTIONED TRINITY IN ANY OF MY POST, NO AND IF YOU SEE JUST ONE,PASTE IT HERE! AND IF YOU CANNOT FIND ONE MENTION OF TRINITY IN MY OWN POST, IT SHOWS THAT WHAT YOU TERMED AS PROPAGANDA IS A MISINFORMED CONCEPTION,

IF CHUKA DID NOT REPLY ME THAT EVERYTHING INCLUDING GOD IS UNDER CHRIST CANOPY,AND EVEN WENT FURTHER TURNING ALMIGHTY GOD TO ''A SO CALLED ALMIGHTY GOD IS POWERLESS WITHOUT CHRIST(do you agree with that?)'' I WOULD NOT HAVE REPLIED! OKAY, ALL I HAVE DONE HERE IS TO SHOW THAT BIBLE DID NOT TEACH THAT GOD IS UNDER JESUS CANOPY,IM STILL READY FOR ANY OBJECTION TO THAT WITH BIBLE CATEGORICALLY STATING THAT,AND NOT JUXTAPOSE!



No, even John 10:30 jesus says "I and the Father are one." does that makes him the same person or equal to God?

'Believers too are of the oneness of God and christ, so are believers equal with God?, see it again;

John 17:21

"Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us [/b]so that the world may believe that you have sent me".

so that the world (including Bidam)may believe that you(God) have sent me(jesus)

jesus did not send himself but a servant of God! so who is the servant here Bidam, and you still see jesus equal to his sender, his oga, na wa ooo. why is it difficult to accept that jesus was sent by a superior?

zechariah 12:8;
[b]The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size], like the angel of the LORD in their midst!

"The entire house of David [size=14pt]will be like God—indeed[/size]"

if The entire house of David will be like God—indeed, then can we say that 'the house of david where jesus was born' are co equal to God?

can you see that?

but an affirmation from christ himself reads

John 14:28

28 “You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, [size=14pt]for the Father is greater than I.[/size]

you have a right to your view pls, im not stopping you pls.

Another scripture to prove the EQUALITY OF JESUS WITH GOD............18 "For this reason the jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the sabbath, but he was even calling God his own father,MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.(John 5:18).....@real berni: do you think the jews were stufid into thinking that Jesus is equal with God?there was something the saw, which made them ran mad, inciting them to want to kill Him...reasons are 1. He broke the sabbath..their laws( why not, He is the Lord of the sabbath).2..They saw the Glory and Authority he use to perform miracles(why not He is the power of God)..3..He called God His Father(now that is too personal)..the question is, they knew God called Abraham His friend..so why are they mad that Jesus called Yahweh His father? Answer: very simple, they knew God is a Spirit, for Jesus to call God His father means He and Yahweh share the same DNA, attributes, splendour, Glory,Power, Majesty, etc.. They do not need Jesus to tell them He is Yahweh..they knew exactly what He meant..i hope u get the gist!!!

@ i.chuka.. I now understand why you don't want to go further anymore ..cos some of these revelations are really not for infants(they will assume someone is preaching heresy)... No wonder the bible says: some of these things is HARD to explain becos you(real berni) is slow to learn....anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant is not skilled in the words of righteousness...but solid food is for mature. Who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. 6..therefore let us(real berni) leave the elementary teachings about Christ and go on to maturity,(heb 5&6 paraphrased).

Bidam: Another scripture to prove the EQUALITY OF JESUS WITH GOD............18 "For this reason the jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the sabbath, but he was even calling God his own father,MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.(John 5:18).....@real berni: do you think the jews were stufid into thinking that Jesus is equal with God?there was something the saw, which made them ran mad, inciting them to want to kill Him...reasons are 1. He broke the sabbath..their laws( why not, He is the Lord of the sabbath).2..They saw the Glory and Authority he use to perform miracles(why not He is the power of God)..3..He called God His Father(now that is too personal)..the question is, they knew God called Abraham His friend..so why are they mad that Jesus called Yahweh His father? Answer: very simple, they knew God is a Spirit, for Jesus to call God His father means He and Yahweh share the same DNA, attributes, splendour, Glory,Power, Majesty, etc.. They do not need Jesus to tell them He is Yahweh..they knew exactly what He meant..i hope u get the gist!!!

Smh!!!!......those Jews were like you who would never sit down to really listen to Jesus words..........those Jews saw Jesus bow down to worship the Father.......those Jews read in isaiah that the messiah is Gods servant......those Jews were just not ready to believe Jesus is the messiah and accept Him for the person he was .............except you want to join them(pharisees) in there oblivion........

Je§us opeÑly told those pharisees he that hÉ was the SON of God.............not GOD or an Equal with GOD........

GOD has nÓ eqÙals....GOD Is the GOD of JÉsÙs .....the GOD of Jesus is also our GOD.......we are brothers with Jesus...if Jesus is equal with GOD so also we are.....I don't know what is wrong with you.....1corinthians 15: 24-28 just shows you that GOD is heaÐ over Jesus and also has no equal,but a§ usual the t®inity will so block your vision.................

Philippians Chapter 2

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God:
e•qual
/ˈēkwəl/AdjectiveBeing the SAME in QUANTITY, SIZE, DEGREE, or VALUE.


NounA PERSON or thing considered to be the SAME as another in STATUS or QUALITY.

So Christ being EQUAL with GOD smply meant HE had the SAME STATUS and QUALITY with God.
I believe you can do the math of the Supremecy of Christ in respect to HIS Divinity.

i.chuka:
Philippians Chapter 2

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God:
e•qual
/ˈēkwəl/AdjectiveBeing the SAME in QUANTITY, SIZE, DEGREE, or VALUE.


NounA PERSON or thing considered to be the SAME as another in STATUS or QUALITY.

So Christ being EQUAL with GOD smply meant HE had the SAME STATUS and QUALITY with God.
I believe you can do the math of the Supremecy of Christ in respect to HIS Divinity.

I gues§ you are infering that we imitate CHRIST who thought it not""rÓbbery" to be equal to GOD abi??.............that staemeÑt contradicts the lesson we are to learn from CHRIST.......in other words like CHRIST we should take it as our right to be equal with GOD..........?? Not so??...........that scripture in no way suggests that Christ is equal to his GOD and Father no matter how the KJV spuriously renders it.............you are telling us CHRIST was like satan and eve who thought it not robbery to be equal to GOD ........lol........smh!!!!!..........get yourself a translation that renders that verse correctly.........

It is beÇause of myopiÇ persons like you that CHRIST clearly said at john 14:28 that the "FÀther" is greater than I am........CHRIST existing in GODs form does not make him equal to GOD..........I exist in the form of ADAM does not in anyway make me equal to ADaM or that I'm adam......just as being the image of GOD in no way makes me equal to GOD.......you forget that the Father is the only person who can't exist in the form of GOD or be the image of GOD because he is that invisible GOD that we are all forms or images of ..............the last time I checked it was satan who thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD........and that led to rebellion against Gods authority.....
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If after reading the scriptures from genesis to revelation you say that CHRIST is equal to his GOD and FATHER in status,degree and value then you need seriÓus help......1corinthians 15:24-28 i§ still dancing around this thread for you to ruminate on...............pleasÉ you can also read 1corinthians 11:3 to see how the ""Jesus is equal with his Father"" ground you are standing on is slippery.........

ijawkid: @Real-beni......good job........

@I.CHUKA.....smh!!!!......I can't believe you said this "" without Christ,your so called Almighty
God has no power and can do nothing
without going through Christ"".......

That statement is an insult to Yahweh who is the Father and GOD of Jesus.....your statement is an insult to the[b]one[/b] who gave Jesus life and every single thing Jesus has.........

do you see what the trinity is doing to you and what it has done to you.??....................smh!!!!!..........

That is the most awful Statement a Christian can make about his God who is all powerful. He will also say that God can't do anything without the angels who are doing the servant works for Him.

@Bidam who is filled.... And i.chuka who is filled with what i don't know,

Jesus and the angels are the servants of the Almighty God. They are doing the will of the Father and they must obey Him because He is God over all of them. He gave them power and made what they are. Jesus, the angels and all of us are His subjects. I hope you know who a subject is?

They do as He commands them while He watch, supervise and receive all the glory from works He commanded them to do. He is not a servant and cannot do a servants work. God is the head of all head.

Bidam, click on my profile and learn from one of my threads "Jesus is the servant of God...." i.chuka was no where near that thread because it refuted everything he believed in.

God is the head of Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:3
New International Version (NIV)
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Do you disagree with the bolded?

Boomark: 1 Corinthians 11:3
New International Version (NIV)
3 But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.

Do you disagree with the bolded?

Na who dey argue with you about the unity of the GOD head? ayAM NOT surprised sha..anywhere Godhead(ACTS 17:29)is being talked about, it is alwaz attacked by cults(such as Jehovah's witness or watchtower society) so that they can also deny the deity of Jesus. Colossians 2:9
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
9 For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

^^So where i quoted was talking about the unity of Godhead shey? Did you see anything "unity" above. So man is also united as co-equal head with Christ? Or you just gave that reply to run away from the points made?

Can you explain, the head of man is Christ and the head of Christ is God? Are they all united as Godhead?

Concerning "Godhead," i will show you what it means. I hope you checked my profile for the thread?

Godhead

You need to ask yourself:
what is all fullness?
What is Godhead?

Col 2:9
For in him dwelleth all the fullnessof the Godhead bodily.

Note carefully that Godhead is dwelling in Christ. He is not part or in Godhead but it dwells in him. Godhead means God's nature, divine qualities. Research it.

Colossians 1:19-20
New International Version (NIV)
19 For God was pleased to have all
his fullness dwell in him, 20 and
through him to reconcile to himself
all things, whether things on earth
or things in heaven, by making
peace through his blood, shed on
the cross.

For it pleases the Father to have the fullness of His nature(Godhead) in Christ. So that through Christ Godwill reconcile everything back to Himself and no other person.

Romans 1:19-20
King James Version (KJV)
19 Because that which may be
known of God is manifest in them;
for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him
from the creation of the world are
clearly seen, being understood by
the things that are made, even his
eternal power and Godhead; so
that they are without excuse:

This one will help you understand that eternal power and Godhead is something that belongs to the Father and not that He is in it.

Ephesians 1:22-23
New International Version (NIV)
22 And God placed all things under
his feet and appointed him to be
head over everything for the
church, 23 which is his body, the
fullness of him who fills everything
in every way.

It is God that gave Christ the authority he has by putting all things under his feet. But you are mistaken by making him equal to God after seeing the authority he's possess. It is God that fills everything He pleases with His fullness.

Any Objection?