plappville: Bidam gave up Islam and embraced Trinity, this is strange ... From fire to fire..

If the God of the universe was the one that was killed on the Cross, then He has lied and made many deceived by the prophets of the old.

The Demons called Jesus son of the living/most high God, they know him so well. Trinitarians said God shared himself into three, yet Holy spirit couldn't come down except Jesus leave first. And Jesus on the Cross called on his Father to forgive those that killed him....

Some Christians have three gods like the Muslims ...haha

PROPAGANDA..GOD PUNISH DEVIL..THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST ARE IN TROUBLE

Bidam: mumu...oya show me the contradictions na..eva wondered why your fathers like boomark and frosbel no comment? becus them no find fault in the son of moi..you just dey here they talk thrash abeg go siddon if you dont have any positive contributions to offer in this thread..i get ya tym this evening well well...JUST LOOK AT YOUR ANTICHRIST DOCTRINES STARING RIGHT BACK AT YOU IN THE FACE..YOU THINK SAY NA ONLY YOU SABI USE COMPUTER INSULT ANYHOW ABI? THUNDER FIRE THaT YOUR ROTTEN MOUTH FOR TELLING ME KJV IS FRAUDULENT..ALL THIS OCCULTIC PPLE SEF AND THERE WAHALA...the reason why you know an occult grp like modalism is becos you are also part of an occult..

Hahaha...this man still dey live him before life ooooo..

Bidam: [b]PROPAGANDA..GOD PUNISH DEVIL..THE SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST ARE IN TROUBLE

You think you are doing Christ s service by insulting the whole house?

Bidam:
1 John 5:20
20[b] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
[/b]

1...And we know the son of GOD is come....
2....And he hath given us an understanding,that we may know HIM that is true(read john 17:3)......
3...And we are in[b]HIM[/b] that is true
4.....Even in HIS son Jesus Christ...

5....This is the true GOD...

____________________________
Now my question to you mr BIDAm from that verse 20 who has been the TRUE one all along??.....Jesus or his GOD and Father??...........

Your problem which ofcus is peculiar to. that of trinitarians is that you think the ""THIS IS THE TRUE GOD refers to the immediate antecedent(Jesus)........but ofcus as we can see from that verse the true GOD was a seperate person from Jesus who was sent by the TRUE ONE............the true GOD mentioned in that verse is no other person than Jesus' GOD who sent him..........

Take a look at these scriptures.....

1 john 2:22...

Who is the liar but the
one who denies that
Jesus is the Christ?
This (houtos) is the
antichrist, the one who
denies the Father and
the Son

2 john 1:7

For many deceivers
have gone out into the
world, those who do not
acknowledge Jesus
Christ as coming in the
flesh. This (houtos) is
the deceiver and the
antichrist.......
______________________________

If I am to follow your line of reasoning as regards 1 john 5:20
for these two verses, we
would need to conclude that
the referent for the word
"This" at 1 John 2:22 is the
Christ and we would
therefore have John saying
that Christ is the antichrist
and Christ denies the Father
and the Son. We would need
to conclude at 2 John 1:7
that the referent for "This"
is the flesh of Jesus and we
would therefore have John
saying that Jesus' flesh is
the deceiver and the
antichrist(that would be heinous)..........
Jesus being the nearest antecedent as seen in those 2 verses does not in anyway mean he is the antiChrist,rather it is those who deny the Father and his annointed one......the same goes for the 1 john 5:20 you quoted........that verse mentions 2 seperate persons....the Father GOD almighty(the only true GOD) and his son Jesus who came in flesh to declare the Father...and that ""this is the true GOD"" refers to the Father and not to the nearest antecedent(Jesus)....2 john 1:7 butresses the fact again that it was Jesus who came in flesh and not GOD almighty........I told you to read john 17:3 but it seems you've not read it..........thank you!!!!.....

Bidam: oya you try here at least you answer a queshion though wrongly...anywaz you ave been brainwashed sha. wat will i expeCt from someone as eccentric and schizophrenic like you rather than insults upon insults.

Lol...............no vex my bro......

[quote author=Bidam][/quote]
Lol......make the thunder fire me well well.....I get lightening conductor attached to my body........

Meanwhile I said some verses in the KJV are fraudulent.....I didn't say the whole KJV is fraudulent............I use the KJV too,but I won't close my eyes to some of its errors........you should do the same........

You can call me occultic........thank you....!!!.....I knw I have showed you at least facts that should make you stop laying your whole theology on confirmed spurious renderings of some verses in the KJV..............modalism has always been around my bro.......and it was never what the Jews,nor Jesus nor his disciples believed in............

Let me define MODALISM once more from the wikipedia so that you can see for yourself...........

Sabellianism
For other uses, see Sabellian (disambiguation).
In Christianity, Sabellianism, (also known as
modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal
monarchism) is the nontrinitarian belief that
the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and
Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of
one God, as perceived by the believer, rather
than three distinct persons within the
Godhead.
________________________________

Mr BIDAm is this not what you believe in??.............

Bidam: [b]mark of a true antichrist indeed..you dey craze for your head.no be kjv your fathers dey use before dem born you? you have now resorted to cheap blackmail simply becos una nyash [/b]don leak..abeg no quote those occultic bibles for me again..if you really want us to argue this thing out.

Lol...........heheehehehehehehehe...........thank GOD say no be write the other translations.....na persons like you wey believe say Jesus na the same as the almighty GOD na him bring out the renderings............

This is not black mail my bro,this is reality........wetin I wan black mail for??......them dey pay me money??

ijawkid:
Lol......make the thunder fire me well well.....I get lightening conductor attached to my body........

Meanwhile I said some verses in the KJV are fraudulent.....I didn't say the whole KJV is fraudulent............I use the KJV too,but I won't close my eyes to some of its errors........you should do the same........

You can call me occultic........thank you....!!!.....I knw I have showed you at least facts that should make you stop laying your whole theology on confirmed spurious renderings of some verses in the KJV..............modalism has always been around my bro.......and it was never what the Jews,nor Jesus nor his disciples believed in............

Let me define MODALISM once more from the wikipedia so that you can see for yourself...........

Sabellianism
For other uses, see Sabellian (disambiguation).
In Christianity, Sabellianism, (also known as
modalism, modalistic monarchianism, or modal
monarchism) is the nontrinitarian belief that
the Heavenly Father, Resurrected Son and
Holy Spirit are different modes or aspects of
one God, as perceived by the believer, rather
than three distinct persons within the
Godhead.
________________________________

Mr BIDAm is this not what you believe in??.............

nope...never heard of it

[quote author=ijawkid]

Lol...........heheehehehehehehehe...........thank GOD say no be write the other translations.....na persons like you wey believe say Jesus na the same as the almighty GOD na him bring out the renderings............

This is not black mail my bro,this is reality........wetin I wan black mail for??......them dey pay me money??[/quote]
2 Tim 3:7
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2 Tim 3:13
13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
KJV

@Bidam

and what gave you the impression that ayam in support of the trinity? i said JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY..PLS YOUR INSULTS SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT OK? I never knew you to be like this..dats my prob with a kid.

All your assertions were in support of trinity, you dont just deny the way catholics deny worshiping mary visibly and even making recitations of mary 'the savior' but they deny worshiping mary, so we can see it from your deeds and not through mere denial!

Una still they quarel over this topic?

Yooguyz: Una still they quarel over this topic?

my broda... me i don resign o.. e bi lyk say the thing dey too chuck dem for body say JESUS NA GOD... self-righteous pharisee

Bidam: JESUS NA GOD... -

Yeah Jesus is among the GODS mentioned in 1 corinthians 8:5.....

But to us there is but one GOD which is the Father......the GOD of Jesus...............if Jesus na the GOD u dey worship na you sabi............

ijawkid:

Yeah Jesus is among the GODS mentioned in 1 corinthians 8:5.....

But to us there is but one GOD which is the Father......the GOD of Jesus...............if Jesus na the GOD u dey worship na you sabi............

see as u dey lie.. that particular verse called Jesus 'Lord' with a capital L and not god..smh![color=#990000][/color]

Boomark:
I don't understand you guys. Are you saying that now in heaven there is one person who is God and he is Jesus Christ or 2 persons who is the same person?


Bidam:. like i said earlier i am not he originator of this thread, just trying to help out. funny u guys keep asking queshions upon queshions.Why not ask the Holy Spirit na ? He alone KNOWS ALL THINGS. OK,i will try and address the scriptures regarding the throneof God. Here are a couple questionsthat we need to consider regarding God's throne. Where is the throne? What is the throne of God?

The Throne of God
Isa 66:1
66:1 Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

the time you erroneously and strongly believed what you think is the meaning of GODHEAD, was it the Holyspirit that gave you such interpretation or haven't you asked him by that time. You should thank God not me/us. Thank Him for knowing us.

I asked you a question and you started shifting the responsibility to i.chuka as if it is not the same thing you believed in.

Concerning Isa 66:1. It is something like, you want to build a house for God and He gave you an answer that baffled you just for you to know that you are thinking like an ordinary man.

He said, "...the heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. Where, then is the house that you people can build for me...." Read 2Ch 6:18, when Solomon was building a temple for Him to understand it better. The Holyspirit teaches what is in line with the scripture. So beware of making false claims.

@Bidam

my broda... me i don resign o.. e bi lyk say the thing dey too chuck dem for body say JESUS NA GOD

Bidam, do you see that these guys(chuka and yooguys) are not having anything to offer to the discussion? they only push you forward, good, i think i like the way you did not hide yourself but trying to defend, but i doubt when we get to a level, you may find some things annoying,but thet are faacts.

Yooguys commending you without a single rebuttal shows some attachment to false teachings but must be preserved at all cost. i will tell you more!

Yooguyz: Quote
@op beautiful writeup

Nobody is denying jesus to be a God, but The Bible never use Almighty for Jesus!

there is nothing wrong in putting up with you, because you are teaching 'another jesus' see what empowered us here below;
2 Corinthians 11:4

[size=14pt]For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached[/size], or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted[size=14pt]—you may well put up with it! [/size]

having proved to you why jesus cannot be the same as his father in different ways, and as you can see, the tread owner abandoned you with this job knowing fully well that he cant sustain the argument because of the flaws. he will only come in and click 'i like' on your post thereby pushing the heat on you! Now that you admitted that you dont support trinity, i.chuka should be here by now to answer questions about (Christ the head).... You need to just do some little homework on your own! and lets see what is confusing issues!

jesus sharing titles with the father, like the lord,LORD, GOD, the first and the last, the Alfa and Omega, begining and the end. does not make jesus same as God.they are open titles and even some of these titles are used for humans, i.e,

court judges; My lord, or your Worship...there is no UPPERCASE or LOWERCASE in hebrew/greek letters that was used to translate these words.

First and the last...(an open statement)
If jesus is reffered to as the first and the last, why does this title(first and the last) jesus reffered to in another place as the first Adam and the last Adam? does that made Adam the same as God? this shows that they are mere titles.

[size=16pt]who 'being equal to God'[/size]

when phillipians 2:5-7 was talking about 'being equal' he was only talking about the general nature of the spirit beings, that is jesus and all the angels and even God himself share the same spiritual nature, their appearances are the same; they all beam like fire(when revealed),the creatures in heaven serving God are called the heavenly hosts,and they all share this equal appearance. ,

1 Kings 22:19 I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.

Revelation 1:14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow,[size=14pt] and his eyes were like blazing fire.
[/size]

when jesus was to leave that superior spiritual nature he shared with the heavenly hosts,which God himself shared,(because the bible teaches that God is spirit) or when jesus is about to abandon a superior form or the spiritual nature to take a 'lower form' it was reffered to as 'taking a slave form'(phillipians 2:6-9) thus;

in hebrew 2:9; 'jesus was made lower than the angels'

it is only regarding this (spiritual nature) shared by the heavenly hosts ;angel jesus and God that the phil 2:6 was reffering to as 'being equal with God' but when he left that spiritual nature 'he was lower than the angels'

but 1 thessalonians 4:16

lets see how jesus will appear 'in the same form' as the angels;

Matthew 16:27

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

can you see the connection of 'same glory jesus shared with the father and also with the Angels'?

lets see what is meant by the 'glory' which is 'the spiritual nature' or 'flamming fire' read;

2 thess 1:7-8

'' This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire[size=14pt] with[/size] his powerful angels''.

these few verses has shed more light on what is reffered to as the 'equality of christ' with God, to the extent that;it is not an absolute form shared strictly by only God and jesus, but was also shared by the angels,
can we say that angels too are equal to God? this is how Bible agrees, any other form of christ that does not go with the chemistry of the bible or do not agree with other verses are false!

this course is also to expose those who eailier tried to tamper by altering some words in the old bible manuscripts! so as to confuse people, but yet the argument grows stronger and stronger!

BARRISTERS: @Bidam



Bidam, do you see that these guys(chuka and yooguys) are not having anything to offer to the discussion? they only push you forward, good, i think i like the way you did not hide yourself but trying to defend, but i doubt when we get to a level, you may find some things annoying,but thet are faacts.

Yooguys commending you without a single rebuttal shows some attachment to false teachings but must be preserved at all cost. i will tell you more!



Nobody is denying jesus to be a God, but The Bible never use Almighty for Jesus!

there is nothing wrong in putting up with you, because you are teaching 'another jesus' see what empowered us here below;
2 Corinthians 11:4

[size=14pt]For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached[/size], or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted[size=14pt]—you may well put up with it! [/size]

having proved to you why jesus cannot be the same as his father in different ways, and as you can see, the tread owner abandoned you with this job knowing fully well that he cant sustain the argument because of the flaws. he will only come in and click 'i like' on your post thereby pushing the heat on you! Now that you admitted that you dont support trinity, i.chuka should be here by now to answer questions about (Christ the head).... You need to just do some little homework on your own! and lets see what is confusing issues!

jesus sharing titles with the father, like the lord,LORD, GOD, the first and the last, the Alfa and Omega, begining and the end. does not make jesus same as God.they are open titles and even some of these titles are used for humans, i.e,

court judges; My lord, or your Worship...there is no UPPERCASE or LOWERCASE in hebrew/greek letters that was used to translate these words.

First and the last...(an open statement)
If jesus is reffered to as the first and the last, why does this title(first and the last) jesus reffered to in another place as the first Adam and the last Adam? does that made Adam the same as God? this shows that they are mere titles.

[size=16pt]who 'being equal to God'[/size]

when phillipians 2:5-7 was talking about 'being equal' he was only talking about the general nature of the spirit beings, that is jesus and all the angels and even God himself share the same spiritual nature, their appearances are the same; they all beam like fire(when revealed),the creatures in heaven serving God are called the heavenly hosts,and they all share this equal appearance. ,

1 Kings 22:19 I saw the LORD sitting on his throne with all the host of heaven standing around him on his right and on his left.

Revelation 1:14 His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow,[size=14pt] and his eyes were like blazing fire.
[/size]

when jesus was to leave that superior spiritual nature he shared with the heavenly hosts,which God himself shared,(because the bible teaches that God is spirit) or when jesus is about to abandon a superior form or the spiritual nature to take a 'lower form' it was reffered to as 'taking a slave form'(phillipians 2:6-9) thus;

in hebrew 2:9; 'jesus was made lower than the angels'

it is only regarding this (spiritual nature) shared by the heavenly hosts ;angel jesus and God that the phil 2:6 was reffering to as 'being equal with God' but when he left that spiritual nature 'he was lower than the angels'

but 1 thessalonians 4:16

lets see how jesus will appear 'in the same form' as the angels;

Matthew 16:27

For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father's glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done.

can you see the connection of 'same glory jesus shared with the father and also with the Angels'?

lets see what is meant by the 'glory' which is 'the spiritual nature' or 'flamming fire' read;

2 thess 1:7-8

'' This will happen when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven in blazing fire[size=14pt] with[/size] his powerful angels''.

these few verses has shed more light on what is reffered to as the 'equality of christ' with God, to the extent that;it is not an absolute form shared strictly by only God and jesus, but was also shared by the angels,
can we say that angels too are equal to God? this is how Bible agrees, any other form of christ that does not go with the chemistry of the bible or do not agree with other verses are false!

this course is also to expose those who eailier tried to tamper by altering some words in the old bible manuscripts! so as to confuse people, but yet the argument grows stronger and stronger!

dude seems like you are doing overtime job *grabs coke and hambarger eating and watching quietly*

Boomark:
I don't understand you guys. Are you saying that now in heaven there is one person who is God and he is Jesus Christ or 2 persons who is the same person?

i.chuka:

Yes,God now dwells in a bodily form in the Heavenlies.

Does this look like an answer to my question? Did you see anything "body" in my question? Or don't you have answers?

SMH!!!

Bidam:
mumu...oya show me the contradictions na..[b]eva wondered why your fathers like boomark andfrosbel no comment? becus them no find fault in the son of moi..[/b]you just dey here they talk thrash abeggo siddon if you dont have any positive contributions to offer in this thread..i get ya tym this evening well well...JUST LOOK AT YOUR ANTICHRIST DOCTRINES STARING RIGHT BACK AT YOU IN THEFACE..YOU THINK SAY NA ONLY YOU SABI USE COMPUTER INSULT ANYHOW ABI?THUNDER FIRE THaT YOUR ROTTEN MOUTH FOR TELLING ME KJV IS FRAUDULENT..ALL THIS OCCULTIC PPLE SEF AND THERE WAHALA...the reason why you know an occult grp like modalism is becos you are also part of an occult..

You are full of faultssss. Why i neva comment is because you weaken my moral and never answer my questions. I thought we agreed to learn.

Ijawkid na my oga o. No play with am o. Your insults are now too much.

plappville:

Hahaha...this man still dey live him before life ooooo..

I noticed that too. No atom of the fruit of the Holyspirit, yet he is the chairman of those that claim to be filled. Seems he has no regard for the name of God and don't know Him as Yahweh.

SMH!!!

ijawkid:

1...And we know the son of GOD is come....
2....And he hath given us an understanding,that we may know HIM that is true (read john 17:3)......
3...And we are in HIM that is true
4.....Even in HIS son Jesus Christ...

5....This is the true GOD...

You are a good man. This is the ABC interpretation. All the bolded, have a connection especially 2, 3 and 5.

This is just the way i like it, with a simple and short no hiding place question following it.

Bidam, i urge you to read john 17 and pay attention to Jesus' prayer to His Father.

Bidam: see as u dey lie.. that particular verse called Jesus 'Lord' with a capital L and not god..smh![color=#990000][/color]

Your problem is that you don't know the meaning of the term "God." I asked you before to look up the meaning of God.

Have you seen some thing like this before: "the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ?"

Yooguyz: dude seems like you are doing overtime job *grabs coke and hambarger eating and watching quietly*

Me tire 4d guy oo.hols 4DAT matter again.

plappville: I thought we're through with this dogma?
This doctrine strong ooo....

am surprise that some people are still telling us that Jesus is Yahweh.

Smh.

Well, not all of them were around when this issues were initially discussed, so, others that carry this lie will still come up with it.

Na wao!

Someone said that Jesus is the power of Yahweh and without Jesus Yahweh cannot do anything! Wao. Is it insanity?

ok, why was Yahweh able to resurrect Jesus when he died and was in the Grave?

Jesus committed his spirit to his father that cannot do anything!

Is it a mental problem that caused someone to make that statement?

It is really a pity for the person that said that.

Trinity is a curse to christianity.

ijawkid:

Smh!!!!!!........go and read isaiah my freind and see things for yourself...........long before Jesus was sent,the scriptures ideÑtified him as Gods holy servant.........even Jesus openly acknowledged he is GODs servant when on earth.....then 1 corinthians 15:24-28 which you and bidam have been dodging shows Jesus would remain the subject or subordinate he is forever..........
______________________________

Look at these respective scriptures and then go to sleep....

Isaiah 53:11
11 After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life[d] and be
satisfied[e];
by his knowledge[f] my righteous servant will
justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
_______________________________
Matthew 12:17 $ 18

17 This was
to fulfill what was spoken
through the prophet Isaiah:
18 “Here is[b]my servant[/b] whom
I have chosen,
the one I love, in whom I
delight;
I will put my Spirit on him,
and he will proclaim justice
to the nations.
________________________________
Acts 3:13
13 The God of Abraham, Isaac and
Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified
his[b]servant[/b] Jesus. You handed him over to be
killed, and you disowned him before Pilate,
though he had decided to let him go
_______________________________

Jesus remains a servant and a subordinate to GOD yesterday,today and forever more..........

That is why GOD calls Jesus my holy servant and Jesus in
turn calls the Father my GOD..........

These are clear truths you have chosen to walk away from............just as
we are and remain slaves of CHRIST §o also CHRIST is and remains a slave(servant) of GOD..........chikena.............

________________________________

And I'm leaving your thread.............bye bye.....

I cry for christiandom


see what trinity has done.

Bidam: dats talking about Christ supremacy..ok.lemme use nature to explain scripture..u re a copy of ur father are u not? Does dat means u re a servant to ur father? Does dat means you are in anyway lesser than you father in terms of the authority, inheritance, attributes, DNA,blood group, etc..He carries? You cannot be greater nor lesser than your father..you can only be like him.

^^^

see folly!

Is there any sense in that or is that analogy true?

Bidam:
U re a copy of ur father are u not? Does dat means u re a servant to ur father? Does dat means you are in anyway lesser than you father in terms of the authority, inheritance, attributes,

but that is lacking in wisdom and does show how trinity has destroyed your brain and ability to reason.

A king = father and his son = the prince dont have the same authority with his father.

Smh.

truthislight: . . . . but that is lacking in wisdom and does show how trinity has destroyed you brain and ability to reason. . . . .

Is this a good thing to say? You don't think that and even much much worse can be said about some of the doctrines of the Jehovah Witnesses?

frosbel: To Yahweh belongs all the glory, honour and power.

There is none like our GOD , who can be compared to him , or likened to him, who is his equal.

God is forever ONE and eternal , no MAN has seen him, but his SON has he revealed who is the express image of his person, coming to show us the Father.

"To whom will you compare me? Or who is my equal?" says the Holy One." - Isaiah 40:25

"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a

"son of man",

coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the

"Ancient of Days"

and was led into his presence" - Daniel 7:13

thank you frosbel.

truthislight: Na wao!

Someone said that Jesus is the power of Yahweh and without Jesus Yahweh cannot do anything! Wao. Is it insanity?

ok, why was Yahweh able to resurrect Jesus when he died and was in the Grave?

Jesus committed his spirit to his father that cannot do anything!

Is it a mental problem that caused someone to make that statement?

It is really a pity for the person that said that.

Trinity is a curse to christianity.

The problem is that you guys are not ready to SEE!!!

Boomark:

I noticed that too. No atom of the fruit of the Holyspirit, yet he is the chairman of those that claim to be filled. Seems he has no regard for the name of God and don't know Him as Yahweh.

SMH!!!

Bidam has also shown little trust in Pauls teaching....Strange Bros Bidam!!