tbaba1234:

Type anything about Islam on google and you get 10 hate sites out of every 20 results... Sites with no other agenda but to look for the worst stories about muslims even if they are lies and present it as Islam.

diarra94: but what are muslims doing to show that they are actually good people. Look, people do bad things regardless of their religion but yot have to admit that muslims carry out massive killings and horiffic attacks in the name of religion. You have to understand that muslims created this bad image of themselves. I am nt against islam or any religion bt i am jst airing my views. No qualms

tbaba1234:

Let's be factual, people have a very unbalanced view of things. It is partly due to media covering. Do you know how many innocent children are killed due to US drone strikes in the muslim world, entire villages live in fear. The media completely shut this off.. Do you know what happened in falluja , Iraq, during the Iraqi war, a war started on a lie... You will never hear this from the media. A muslim legitimately defending his home land is called an insurgent. What of the loop-sided support the US has for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.. There are lots of angry muslims, some take it too far by killing innocent civilians in retaliation. Misplaced aggression.

If the media attention given to the boston attacks were given to the innocent children killed in pakistan from US drone strike, maybe people will understand why some people are so angry. Muslims have internal problems but you have to understand that the biggest marketing tool for extremist organizations is painting the impression that there is a war against Islam. The more muslim children are murdered, the more recruits they will get.

thorpido: why is the west and media always to blame?There's no doubt that Islam has an internal problem.Rather than speak more on the problem and how to deal with it,u guys prefer the blame game.

tbaba1234:

Let's be factual, people have a very unbalanced view of things. It is partly due to media covering. Do you know how many innocent children are killed due to US drone strikes in the muslim world, entire villages live in fear. The media completely shut this off.. Do you know what happened in falluja , Iraq, during the Iraqi war, a war started on a lie... You will never hear this from the media. A muslim legitimately defending his home land is called an insurgent. What of the loop-sided support the US has for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.. There are lots of angry muslims, some take it too far by killing innocent civilians in retaliation. Misplaced aggression.

If the media attention given to the boston attacks were given to the innocent children killed in pakistan from US drone strike, maybe people will understand why some people are so angry. Muslims have internal problems but you have to understand that the biggest marketing tool for extremist organizations is painting the impression that there is a war against Islam. The more muslim children are murdered, the more recruits they will get.

tbaba1234:

Type anything about Islam on google and you get 10 hate sites out of every 20 results... Sites with no other agenda but to look for the worst stories about muslims even if they are lies and present it as Islam.

This is huge money been pumped into this:

Read the report by the center of American progress:

http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2011/08/pdf/islamophobia.pdf

Some of the facts:

The funding
• More than $40 million flowed from seven foundations over 10 years.

• The foundations funding the misinformation experts:
Donors Capital Fund; Richard Mellon Scaife Foundation;
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation; Newton and Rochelle Becker
Foundation and Newton and Rochelle Becker Charitable Trust;
Russell Berrie Foundation, Anchorage Charitable Fund and William
Rosenwald Family Fund; Fairbrook Foundation.


The misinformation experts
• Five experts generate the false facts and materials used by political leaders, grassroots groups, and the media:
• Frank Gaffney at the Center for Security Policy
• David Yerushalmi at the Society of Americans for National Existence
• Daniel Pipes at the Middle East Forum
• Robert Spencer ofJihad Watch and Stop Islamization of America
• Steven Emerson of the Investigative Project on Terrorism
• These experts travel the country and work with or testify before state legislatures calling for a ban on the nonexisting threat of Sharia law in America and proclaiming that the vast majority of mosques in our country harbor Islamist terrorists or sympathizers.
• David Yerushalmi’s “model legislation” banning Sharia law has been cut and pasted into bills in South Carolina, Texas, and Alaska. His video on how to draft an anti-Sharia bill and his online tools have been picked up nationwide.

for every one of your hoaxes and lies,a simple search will turn up hundreds of very similar incidents which are very true,to confirm;put in the subject of each of your hoaxes in google's search Field eg Islam child marriage,Islam Child Brutality,Islam Massacre ...etc etc ...

Movingcoil: No single condemnation of which lies against islam? Who made this case? A christian or a muslim? Since itz a muslim whose only sole objective is to salvage the nefarious remains of islam by all means, how do u expect the judgement of a christian when u dug out ur claims all by urself, twisted it all by urself and presented it all by ur islam mindset and even went so far to say that the so called woman is a christian just to score points, ie wat I call pathetic allutrupuration of the mind. I never knew the boston bombers were muslim, never wanted to get interested in that news till now cos i knew who those kind of activities are synonymous 2 but alas my suspicion wasn't wrong after'all

Movingcoil: am Still contemplating the true meaning of ur evangelism of lies in this context, okay lemme go 2ru dz lane in a diplomatic arizuzu. If u wanna convene ur message 2 someone who has a free right to existence and worship, won't u try to use any conceivable and appealing conjectures to win the person's interest ie wat somehow u'l see in christianity but this ur particular evangelism of lies is just the usual propaganda muslims use to seek out 2 deir deficits in this struggle but wait, how would a muslim spread his religion if not through attracting self pity like the op, violence as the mohammed and the boko haram are doing and propaganda against christianity as the likers of the op's comment are doing. Please can one muslim explain to me how mohammed died ie his life and death cos I don't want to be said that am lieing against islam if I believe the one I heard.

koonbey:

hmmmn...its either you didnt get my point very well or you are deliberately trying to deflect,rather than address point...ill give you the Benefit of the Doubt;when i said Google,i expected that anyone reading that would apply discretion in the results...I repeat; check reputable news sites.thank you

koonbey: very funny post...you say Islam is just being misrepresented in the Media...hmmmn...what have you just done?hm,US Drone Strikes...someone uninformed reading that might infer that the US Government just woke up one Day and Decided to start Sending Drones out...about Fallujah,did you know that before the assault;the US Army gave weeks' advance warning of the Attack and used Loudspeakers and Drones to warn all Civillians to evacuate the City? The US used white Phosphorus,which while a Brutal weapon,does not breach any of the International Weapons Conventions. but not to diverge too much;even with the "innocents" that are killed by Drones and such,im sure you know that the Collateral damage is actually very small. bring figures to the Table to dispute that,but please;also bring the Casualty Figures of Islamic Terrorism

tbaba1234:

Difference, Muslims have internal problems not Islam.

They do share part of the blame, that's why... I have a friend born in America, his uncle was shot dead on the street in Iraq by US soldiers, He was not even a combatant.. He was born and breed in America, Imagine the conflicting feelings.

Have we forgotten the torture and dehumanizing of human beings in abu ghraib or the continuous detention of muslims in Guantanamo. Muslim kids are set up with phantoms terror plots by FBI agants.

The iraq war did more for extreme groups in the muslim world than any other single event.

tbaba1234:


Please investigate the deaths of from drone strikes of innocent civilians and come back... There is no justification on what happened in falluja... what about bombed weddings ?? i really don't want to go into this discussion because id get upset.

don't want to go into this discussion because id get upset

tbaba1234:

Let's be factual, people have a very unbalanced view of things. It is partly due to media covering. Do you know how many innocent children are killed due to US drone strikes in the muslim world, entire villages live in fear. The media completely shut this off.. Do you know what happened in falluja , Iraq, during the Iraqi war, a war started on a lie... You will never hear this from the media. A muslim legitimately defending his home land is called an insurgent. What of the loop-sided support the US has for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.. There are lots of angry muslims, some take it too far by killing innocent civilians in retaliation. Misplaced aggression.

If the media attention given to the boston attacks were given to the innocent children killed in pakistan from US drone strike, maybe people will understand why some people are so angry. Muslims have internal problems but you have to understand that the biggest marketing tool for extremist organizations is painting the impression that there is a war against Islam. The more muslim children are murdered, the more recruits they will get.

koonbey: once again,you fail to give us complete information,those Terrorists were tortured to get information crucial to forestalling subsequent terror attacks,they were beaten,threatened with Dogs,humiliated variously...ok.FYI...only ONE prisoner Died as a result of all that. but i'm sure you know that worse things have been done in the name of Islam;have you forgotten that less than a year before these abuses started,almost 3000 Americans were killed by "Muhajiddeens"?

koonbey: its either you are one of those fanatics who argue with emotions rather than facts and are now at a loss in the face of Facts...or you really ok cool

tbaba1234:

Let's be factual, people have a very unbalanced view of things. It is partly due to media covering. Do you know how many innocent children are killed due to US drone strikes in the muslim world, entire villages live in fear. The media completely shut this off.. Do you know what happened in falluja , Iraq, during the Iraqi war, a war started on a lie... You will never hear this from the media. A muslim legitimately defending his home land is called an insurgent. What of the loop-sided support the US has for Israel in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.. There are lots of angry muslims, some take it too far by killing innocent civilians in retaliation. Misplaced aggression.

If the media attention given to the boston attacks were given to the innocent children killed in pakistan from US drone strike, maybe people will understand why some people are so angry. Muslims have internal problems but you have to understand that the biggest marketing tool for extremist organizations is painting the impression that there is a war against Islam. The more muslim children are murdered, the more recruits they will get.

[b]You fail to understand something here. NO TERRORISM NO DRONES!Why start a war with an enemy that u can never win? The reason why American drones are flying all over the Muslim world is because of terrorism. Muslims start what they can not finish and when the superior power responds, they begin to shout that 'innocent' people are being killed. Look at what is happening in northern Nigeria right now, the Muslims are beginning to shout and cry about JTF excesses forgetting that without boko haram there would be no JTF in the first place. When the boko haram was blasting churches they all keep quiet and looked the other way. Imagine them asking for the FG to withdraw the JTF forgetting that millions of Christians in the north would be left like sheep to be slaughtered by the boko haram without the JTF. HOW SELFISH!! Also take a look at Israel and their Arab neighbors. Hamas will fire a rocket into Israel and run to hide amongst women & children. When Israel comes out to respond to their provocation they begin to shout that women & children are being killed.

I think the jihadists are the TRULY wicked ones and should be blamed for all that is happening to Islam and it's battered image and not Christians. Muslims should rise up and hold them responsible for everything. Since the jihadists are ready to die why carry out attack and then run into the midst of Muslim women & children? How do u expect Israel not to respond when rockets are fired into their country? How do u expect America not to respond when people decide to fly planes into buildings and bomb marathon races? Look at Iran now shouting that they want to wipe Israel out of the map and the Muslims are clapping and celebrating them forgetting in a hurry that Israel defeated all the Arab world in just six days! U guys don't seem to understand that u can NEVER win a war against America & Israel! It will not take up to one month for America to bomb Iran out of existence. This is the fact, the truth and the hard reality why can't u Muslims just accept this??

Bottom line is the jihadists should drop their weapons and abandon their jihad in the interest of innocent Muslim women & children that end up paying the price.

NO JIHAD NO DRONES, NO BOKO HARAM NO JTF!!![/b][b][/b]

gidiMonsta:

The Satanic Verses - Salman Rushdie. Lizzie even knighted the weasel for the book of lies, that's how far your terrorvangelist brothers will go to discredit Islam.

vedaxcool:

So in the heart of some Christians this kid is fighting a Jihad? pathetic people indeed


In an extensive analysis of open-source documents, the Bureau of Investigative Journalism found that 2,292 people had been killed by US missiles, including as many as 775 civilians.


The strikes, which began under President George W Bush but have since accelerated during the presidency of Barack Obama, are hated inPakistan, where families live in fear of the bright specks that appear to hover in the sky overhead.


[size=18pt]In just a single attack on a madrassah in 2006 up to 69 children lost their lives[/size].


Chris Woods, who led the research, said the detailed database of deaths would send shockwaves through Pakistan, where political and military leaders repeatedly denounce the strikes in public, while privately allowing the US to continue.


"This is a military campaign run by a secret service which raised problems of accountability, transparency and you have a situation where neither the Pakistanis nor Americans are clear about any agreements in place and where the reporting is difficult," he said.

http://beforeitsnews.com/war-on-terror/2012/07/168-children-killed-in-drone-strikes-in-pakistan-since-start-of-campaign-2418370.html

I strongly condemn the killing of innocent women & children that is why I blame the jihadists for all these unnecessary bloodshed. Nothing justifies the killing of innocent people whether they Muslims or Christians. Why carry out attacks and then run to hide amongst innocent Muslim women & children? WHY?

EUROFIGHTERR:


I strongly condemn the killing of innocent women & children that is why I blame the jihadists for all these unnecessary bloodshed. Nothing justifies the killing of innocent people whether they Muslims or Christians. Why carry out attacks and then run to hide amongst innocent Muslim women & children? WHY?

vedaxcool:

So the terrorist told the Americans to bomb civilians? this is quite pathetic indeed, so if an armed person was to enter your home, it is justifiable to bomb the entire building with your family in it just because the armed man rush to enter your home? truly this daft and I have not the patience to engage such, most of the drone strike occur not in the midst of hostilities but usually when people are just going about their normal business but like this thread have long proven, a typical Christian will lie in proving their own fact!

EUROFIGHTERR:

[b]U're the daft one here because u cannot understand my simple argument. Did u read my earlier posts properly? Since the jihadists know that their innocent women & children are being killed because of their actions why can't they abandon their jihad so that innocent women & children can live? I don't support the Americans blowing up a building simply because a jihadist is there not minding the innocent ones but since the Americans & Israelis have decided to take this line why can't the jihadists stop the attacks if for nothing just for the sake of these innocent Muslim women & children? Israel is not bombing Palestine now because Hamas has not fired any rockets into Israel. Knowing all that has happened in the past, wouldn't it be foolish of Hamas to provoke Israel? But they don't learn (Recent Boston bombing is an example).

U expect America to wait for the jihadists to organize their attacks before before responding? That would be foolish because it is common knowledge that the best type of defense strategy is attack. Since the jihadists have decided to be unrepentant about their attacks, innocent Muslim women & children will continue to suffer.

RENOUNCE JIHAD & TERRORISM AND THE DRONES WILL LEAVE THE SKIES! SIMPLE! Do u need a Masters degree to understand this??

Blame ur Jihadists brothers and not Christians for ur woes and the battered image of Islam.[/b]

The US must open itself to an independent investigation into its use of drone strikes or the United Nations will be forced to step in, Ben Emmerson QC said yesterday.


His comments came as Pakistani officials said that a US drone strike had killed at least four militants after targeting their vehicles in North Waziristan on Sunday. Attacks by American unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) are deeply unpopular in the country, which claims they violate its sovereignty and fan anti-US sentiment.

Only last week cricketer-turned-politician Imran Khan vowed to defy Taliban threats to attend a rally in Pakistan's tribal areas aimed at highlighting the human cost of US drone strikes.

Mr Emmerson, a leading London barrister and UN Special Rapporteur on Human Rights and Counter-Terrorism, said America is facing mounting global pressure over its use of UAVs and he is preparing a report for the next session of the Human Rights Council in March. The issue, he insists, will “remain at the top of the UN political agenda until some consensus and transparency has been achieved”.

American UAV strikes, most notably in Pakistan and Yemen, have shot up since Barrack Obama came to power. Estimates state that while there were 52 such strikes during George W Bush's time, this number has risen to 282 over the past three and a half years, with officials justifying it has international “self defence” against a stateless enemy.

Mr Emmerson said it was time for the US to open itself up to scrutiny as to the legality of such attacks. While it remains nigh on impossible for observers to establish the truth on the ground in many of areas, each strike is visually recorded and videos could be passed to independent assessors, he explained.

“We can't make a decision on whether it is lawful or unlawful if we do not have the data. The recommendation I have made is that users of targeted killing technology should be required to subject themselves, in the case of each and every death, to impartial investigation. If they do not establish a mechanism to do so, it will be my recommendation that the UN should put the mechanisms in place through the Human Rights Council, the General Assembly and the Office of the High Commissioner”, he said.

He continued: “The Obama administration continues formally to adopt the position that it will neither confirm nor deny the existence of the drone program, whilst allowing senior officials to give public justifications of its supposed legality in personal lectures and interviews. In reality the administration is holding its finger in the dam of public accountability. There are now a large number of law suits, in different parts of the world, including in the UK, Pakistan and in the US itself, through which pressure for investigation and accountability is building.”

Recently Wajid Shamsui Hasan, Pakistani High Commissioner, said the US strikes “violated” his country and encouraged extremism while last month Navi Pillay, UN Commissioner on the Protection of Civilians in Armed Conflict said she was “seriously concerned” by reports of civilian deaths in Yemen, Pakistan and Somalia.

Mr Khan, who heads the Pakistan Movement for Justice party (PTI) intends to join a rally in Miranshah, North Waziristan, next month to protest against the US's policy of using drones to target suspected militants, when civilians get caught in the crossfire.

“During the last session of the UN Human Rights Council in Geneva in June many states, including Russia, China and Pakistan called for an investigation into the use of drone strikes as a means of targeted killing. I was asked by these states to bring forward proposals on this issue and I am working closely on the subject of drones with Christof Heyns the UN Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial, summary and arbitrary execution. The issue is moving rapidly up the international agenda,” explained Mr Emmerson, who has called for the “end to the conspiracy of silence”.

Last month, the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR) and the American Civil Liberties Union filed a law suit against senior CIA and military officials over the killing of three Yemeni-American citizens, including a 16-year-old boy. The first hit in September 2011 killed the extremist imam Anwar Al-Aulaqi and alleged al-Qa'ida propagandist Samir Khan.

“Two weeks later, on October 14, US drone strikes killed Anwar Al-Aulaqi's son, 16-year-old Abdulrahman Al-Aulaqi as he was eating dinner with his teenage cousin at an open-air restaurant,” said the CCR, claiming that the “escalated and expanded” use of drone strikes since the Obama administration came to power had killed hundreds of civilians amongst the estimated 2,500 deaths.

In May, White House counter-terrorism advisor John Brennan defended the targeted killings of al-Qa'ida suspects as effective tool to minimise civilian casualties, likening the use of drones to laser surgery eliminating “the cancerous tumour called an al-Qa'ida terrorist”.

A key aspect of any investigation would be whether strikes are taking place within a theatre of war such as Afghanistan or on sovereign territories outside the conflict zone despite US assertions that they are conducting a global war against a stateless enemy.

More than 50 countries worldwide now have the use of UAVs. The most dynamic sector in the aviation industry is estimated to be worth £4 billion a year with millions being poured into researching more sophisticated varieties such as autonomous drones that do not even require remote pilots.

The RAF's Predator MQ-9 Reapers, launched from Kandahar but piloted from Creech Air Force Base in Nevada by 39 Squadron, are used for surveillance in Afghanistan.

MoD figures from May state that UK drones had flown a total of 34,750 hours and fired 281 missiles and laser-guided bombs.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/us-should-hand-over-footage-of-drone-strikes-or-face-un-inquiry-8061504.html