@ooman sincere seekers dont argue with facts and feelings hav no role in validating truths. The bible clearly and unequivocally states that humans are spirit beings with physical manifestations called bodies.. Humans ar just a class of spirit beings , accepting this statement puts a new spin on things and solves backlogs of puzzling questions. The bible says events originate first from d spirit realm b4 they bcome physical realities..but science or rather atheists want to believe this is not so. Ur education in life hasnt started until u really know these things.. U will find out d truth but it may b too late.

kambo: @ooman sincere seekers dont argue with facts and feelings hav no role in validating truths. The bible clearly and unequivocally states that humans are spirit beings with physical manifestations called bodies.. Humans ar just a class of spirit beings , accepting this statement puts a new spin on things and solves backlogs of puzzling questions. The bible says events originate first from d spirit realm b4 they bcome physical realities..but science or rather atheists want to believe this is not so. Ur education in life hasnt started until u really know these things.. U will find out d truth but it may b too late.

Are you seriously calling what that ancient mythology called bible says a fact?? then you have intellectual problems.

the bible is filled with lies and ancient attempt to understand nature. taking the bible seriously is a product of intellectual laziness.

all facts must be proven, there is no single shred of evidence for the existence of spirits.

ancient relic called a bible -- sweeping comments u atheists make.
"the bible is FILLED WITH LIES AND bla bla " -- ur not qualified to make this comment.
"all facts must be proven" - this is the favorite tripping stone of u atheists.
all PHYSICAL AND LOGICAL facts are/may be provable? right. but not all facts are PHYSICAL
the bible makes the proposition u /and self-deluding people deny that the WORLD is more than THE PHYSICAL AND LOGICAL DIMENSION- science which is your bastion can only comment on
issues subject to physical (five senses) and (logical) investigation.
Welcome to the new world - God is a spirit! You are a spirit , the devil is a spirit, and he wants your soul. which you'r giving to him without a f ight anyway.
Science , even if it wanted to cannot investigate spiritual phenomenom - because it is out of the realm of the five senses, it is out of the realm of the logical - , therefore it labels it MYTHOLOGY. SCIENCE, and the creed of atheists, goes a step further and makes a fatal logical error which you support: if it is not PHYSICALLY VERIFIABLE AND NOT LOGICALLY DISCERNABLE it is NOT REAL!! (THIS IS WRONG REASONING) . YOU ARE DEFINING ,reality as physical and logical substance - you are choosing your subset of reality - you ar wrong wrong wrong.
so much an appeal for science, a physical tool for determining a spiritual allegation -
a foremost logician,kurt Godel, proved that even science CANNOT discover all LOGICAL TRUTHS!!
WHAT'S WORSE - they're some computable problems in mathematics that cannot be discoverd by the best
tools given to man in any feasible time frame !! i mean (man at his best - will only know less of what can be known!)
yet in his ignorance , men go trying to disprove God with their shallow brains and tools.

In case you dont know it . The bible is completely logical.
if you cannot physically discern a phenomenom and you cannot logically deduce it. Then the only way, such a phenomenom can be communicated to you is supernaturally, GOD , inspired men by his HOLY SPIRIT to write the Bible - so that the things you cannot
know with you mind and 5 senses can be revealed to you in writing. This is completely logical.
if A blind man has never seen what a picture of mona lisa looks like, does that mean
that painting doesnt exists? - it just means he the blind man can't see it.
the only way he can prove the fact is to see it - but until he see it the only thing he can do is accept the description of it as told him by ONE who has seen it.
One day you'll see the spirit realm . But until then, you either have to accept the description of it as given by the Bible or reject it. the choice is yours.
God is real.

^^^^you are in a state of great personality disorder.

You really think the spirit world exist based on what exactly? the bible?

You know what i believe is true? That it is Sango who causes thunder always because the book of Sango worshipers say so and no matter what i now know to cause thunder, that is just a lie, it is Sango that causes thunder always.

How does that logic sound to you?

ooman: ^^^^you are in a state of great personality disorder.

You really think the spirit world exist based on what exactly? the bible?

You know what i believe is true? That it is Sango who causes thunder always because the book of Sango worshipers say so and no matter what i now know to cause thunder, that is just a lie, it is Sango that causes thunder always.

How does that logic sound to you?

Mr. Ooman thank God you know something sango and thunder, and you know what causes it.
Concerning the story I share with you other time, what force responsible for those stories? According to your research on thunder because the stories is not an ancient myths.

One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

@kambo, more grace to your reasoning. You really gave my signature meaning.

Emusan:

Mr. Ooman thank God you know something sango and thunder, and you know what causes it.
Concerning the story I share with you other time, what force responsible for those stories? According to your research on thunder because the stories is not an ancient myths.

One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

@kambo, more grace to your reasoning. You really gave my signature meaning.

I thought I had personal encounter with god too, but your visions are delusions. they are not real.

the stories you share are not complete, they are your failed attempt to explaining natural disasters. because it hurts you then you think its the spirit of your mothers sister chasing you. such is the dumb reasoning of the religious.

am glad you know the bible is basically useless but its more damage to rely on mental conditions called revelations.

you need to be healed from all mental damage god has caused you.

Emusan:

Mr. Ooman thank God you know something sango and thunder, and you know what causes it.
Concerning the story I share with you other time, what force responsible for those stories? According to your research on thunder because the stories is not an ancient myths.

One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

@kambo, more grace to your reasoning. You really gave my signature meaning.

I thought I had personal encounter with god too, but your visions are delusions. they are not real.

the stories you share are not complete, they are your failed attempt of explaining natural disasters. because it hurts you then you think its the spirit of your mothers sister chasing you. such is the dumb reasoning of the religious.
I would have to observe such situations myself before I can offer explanations.
am glad you know the bible is basically useless but its more damage to rely on mental conditions called revelations.

you need to be healed from all mental damage god has caused you.

@ooman u are in a state of great denial and thick delusion. because d claims of science as ludicross as any myth u may class under religion. First, stop lumping d bible (with other religions ) to spare u confusion. The bible completes ur knowledge about u. It says man is a Spirit, soul and body. Science says man is a Soul and Body simply because scientist can discern the mind ( i think therefore i am jargon) and d body (uve got a mirror) . Science is repeatedly and roundly failing at solving fundamental social problems because its fundamental premises about who man is is wrong... And based on this wrong warped premise it is cooking up hit-and-miss moral cures... Oddly success eventually boils down to a bible principle (the so called mythical book). Science without God will screw u up.

ooman:

I thought I had personal encounter with god too, but your visions are delusions. they are not real.

You don't, and if truly you have had encounter with Him definitely all atheist claims is wrong.

the stories you share are not complete, they are your failed attempt of explaining natural disasters. because it hurts you then you think its the spirit of your mothers sister chasing you. such is the dumb reasoning of the religious.
I would have to observe such situations myself before I can offer explanations.

You call it natural distasters! Anyway, all miracles will always look somehow to atheist. Before it happen everybody know something is wrong and it was reveal by the spirit of God the excert causes of the problem (which is the Rock/Tree) what kind of natural distaster that didn't affect buildings that sorunded the Tree & the road that beside it. I wish you were there you will give God praise.

am glad you know the bible is basically useless but its more damage to rely on mental conditions called revelations.

When did I say so?

you need to be healed from all mental damage god has caused you.

If I may ask you do all scientist claim that there is no God and why all atheist always hide under the work of science to justified their personal hatered to God?

I want to ask you again. Human brain consists more than millions cell, who arranged those cell? Because if anything happen to a cell(s) it can cause brain malfuntion.

I stopped going to church because i prefer to be fair and just to humanity, people i see around than be honest to a GOD i cannot see. if everyone will be his brodas keeper the world will be a beta place

back2sender: I stopped going to church because i prefer to be fair and just to humanity, people i see around than be honest to a GOD i cannot see. if everyone will be his brodas keeper the world will be a beta place

so you're just going to church without having personal encounter with God. Anyway I can blame you because that's what most christians do this day.

Do you think is easy to be your brother's keeper without the help of God? Some armed robbers didn't claim there is no God yet they commit crime likewise some terrorist. I heard a testimony in which armed robbers were saying human being are wicked ohh of which they send them to harm that person. So my brother is not easy to do without God.

kambo: @ooman u are in a state of great denial and thick delusion. because d claims of science as ludicross as any myth u may class under religion.

How is the claim of science ludicrous?

kambo: First, stop lumping d bible (with other religions ) to spare u confusion. The bible completes ur knowledge about u. It says man is a Spirit, soul and body.

the bible is self contradictory, how can it complete any knowledge about anyone?
where exactly in the bible did it say that man is a body spirit and soul, quote the place

kambo: Science says man is a Soul and Body simply because scientist can discern the mind ( i think therefore i am jargon) and d body (uve got a mirror) .

who told you that science says man is a soul and body. science has nothing to do with religion or its beliefs, we belief that man is body only, no spirit, no soul because there is no evidence for such.

kambo: Science is repeatedly and roundly failing at solving fundamental social problems because its fundamental premises about who man is is wrong... And based on this wrong warped premise it is cooking up hit-and-miss moral cures... Oddly success eventually boils down to a bible principle (the so called mythical book). Science without God will screw u up.

what fundamental social problem does science fail at solving.

God is exactly what screws people up.

Which personal encounter are u talking about? so must i be in the midst of deceits(church)before i encounter your so called GOD?. I believe there is a supreme being but not the so called GOD as practised by the christians.The worst thing that has happened to this world is christianity,it made people to be lazy in Nigeria and self centered

Iam a a Zoologist/scientisit by education even though iam in sales right now so i know what iam talikng about.

Emusan:
You don't, and if truly you have had encounter with Him definitely all atheist claims is wrong.

i was a xtian for many years, such encounters are your brain praying pranks on you, they are never real.

Emusan: You call it natural distasters! Anyway, all miracles will always look somehow to atheist. Before it happen everybody know something is wrong and it was reveal by the spirit of God the excert causes of the problem (which is the Rock/Tree) what kind of natural distaster that didn't affect buildings that sorunded the Tree & the road that beside it. I wish you were there you will give God praise.

i have seen much more than your story, there is a rational, natural explanation to everything.

Emusan: When did I say so?

Emusan: [size=15pt]One cannot basically rely on what the Bible says[/size] to conclude the work of spiritual realm unless you carry out some personal work. I personally have encounter with God.

Emusan: If I may ask you do all scientist claim that there is no God and why all atheist always hide under the work of science to justified their personal hatered to God?

not all scientists are atheists and not all atheists are scientists.

Emusan: I want to ask you again. Human brain consists more than millions cell, who arranged those cell? Because if anything happen to a cell(s) it can cause brain malfuntion.

well, if those cells where arranged by someone, why then do they disarrange and cause madness and other diseases.

ooman:
well, if those cells where arranged by someone, why then do they disarrange and cause madness and other diseases.

You didn't get me right, I said one can't base everything about spiritual on Bible you need to do some personal work. Just like someone that wanted to cast out demon and he was poiting the Bible without quoting any verse.

Is it only brain that can damage in humans body?

What I'm saying is this just like Intel processor, it contains more than millions of transistor just in a single 1mm square chip and is being arranged by human likewise somebody must be responsible for our brain too that contains billions of cells for you/scientist to reason well. Give God the glory for that.

Emusan:
You didn't get me right, I said one can't base everything about spiritual on Bible you need to do some personal work. Just like someone that wanted to cast out demon and he was poiting the Bible without quoting any verse.

Is it only brain that can damage in humans body?

What I'm saying is this just like Intel processor, it contains more than millions of transistor just in a single 1mm square chip and is being arranged by human likewise somebody must be responsible for our brain too that contains billions of cells for you/scientist to reason well. Give God the glory for that.

except the transistors do not replicate or change and evolve. The cells spontaneously replicate, change and evolve, this is why intelligence is not involved in their formation.

@ooman "where does it say man is a spirit?" . U were a christian and u ask this- ddnt u read ur bible? Philipians 4 v 23- the grace of our Lord be with your spirit. (your spirit is also a receptacle where certain spiritual realities can b stored. E.g Grace) 1thessalonians 5 v 23: may your whole spirit,soul, and body b kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. (observe the order of pre eminence. Your spirit , to God is first in importance) Proverbs 20 v 27 - the spirit of man is the candle of the Lord. ( God's design is to guide man thru man's spirit. Not thru man's 5 senses. Which is the proof u atheists and sceptics trip over.ur spirit is the real you) the bible also calls the spirit the "inner man", the body the outer man/flesh , the heart etc. The bible says the life of the body comes from the spirit and wen the spirit is taken out of the body the body dies. Meaning... The electrical pulses that keep ur heart beating comes from ur SPirit! The bible says everyman will b judged for the deeds committed in the body insinuating tht his spirit will b judged for what his spirit used his body and mine to do on earth.. Wht i'm telling u is fundamentals every christian shd know ... Science believes man is body and mind (mind is a component of d soul) - so by extension science believes in soul because the mind can b observed to some extent. Science doesnt blve tht man is a spirit, in other words science picture of man is incomplete using this incomplete profile it tries to solve man's problems. For purely physical and mental/logical problems it succeeds sometimes but for spiritual problems it fails and keeps failing. It fails at tackling spiritual problems because it uses the wrong tools . Some problems baffling society and science. Divorce: high rate of marital failures despite relative affluence of modern man. 2.) violence : violence gore murder is d bane of urban life 3.)) pornography - a billion dollar industry tht is corrupting young children wrecking homes and marraiges and causing wives heart ache. 4.) greed and corruption: the picture abt the modern man is a materialistic one . Tax evation, corporate prostitution, money laundering etc these are some problems plaguing soceity threatening the very fabric of it. And science is almost helpless at providing a lasting solution because it's viewpoint.

The truth of all matter is that man exists in body, soul/mind and spirit. What makes us different from animals is even beyond our reasoning ability which many people are trained to believe. If the spiritual aspect has not been there we could not have reasoned and design beyond what our mind had been programmed to achieve going by the way of nature. In science a system works and delivers within the scope of its use, what is programmed to do. A radio set can not deliver the work of a refrigerator. Learning from what happened to the first man, he was originally living within the frame of his mind until the time the Spiritual aspects came in that he began to imagine a bigger picture about himself and beyond. Also, consider the animals they have not performed beyond the makes of their souls - their instincts even with all complex phases of evolution that might have occurred . You have not seen a group of one of the closest relatives of man: gorila, monkey or chipanzy as science makes man to believe, living their habitats in the wild and thinking of building luxuries to comfort their lives. Evolution is just a concept of physical phenomenon over the time, it is the spirit that makes man to diligently and intellectually fulfils purpose of creation. Man has been from time prone to forces of evil and good, and done some unreasonable things that science can not handle except there is a spiritual rebirth.

kambo: The bible says the
life of the body comes from the spirit
and wen the spirit is taken out of the
body the body dies. Meaning... The
electrical pulses that keep ur heart
beating comes from ur SPirit!

If the bold is true, why does a pacemaker keep the heart beating. Does it have a spirit too?

kambo: Science believes man is body
and mind (mind is a component of d
soul) - so by extension science believes
in soul because the mind can b
observed to some extent. Science
doesnt blve tht man is a spirit, in other
words science picture of man is
incomplete using this incomplete profile
it tries to solve man's problems

Science never believes man is body and mind. Science knows man is body only. Where do you get your own science from? Science can also believe man is body and memory - what sort of dumb thinking is that which you continue to force on science.

kambo: Some problems baffling society
and science. Divorce: high rate of
marital failures despite relative affluence
of modern man. 2.) violence : violence
gore murder is d bane of urban life 3.))
Indecency - a billion dollar industry tht
is corrupting young children wrecking
homes and marraiges and causing wives
heart ache. 4.) greed and corruption:
the picture abt the modern man is a
materialistic one . Tax evation,
corporate prostitution, money
laundering etc these are some problems
plaguing soceity threatening the very
fabric of it. And science is almost
helpless at providing a lasting solution
because it's viewpoint.
.

How exactly has religion helped the above?

Rexyl: The truth of all matter is that man exists in body, soul/mind and spirit. What makes us different from animals is even beyond our reasoning ability which many people are trained to believe. If the spiritual aspect has not been there we could not have reasoned and design beyond what our mind had been programmed to achieve going by the way of nature. In science a system works and delivers within the scope of its use, what is programmed to do. A radio set can not deliver the work of a refrigerator. Learning from what happened to the first man, he was originally living within the frame of his mind until the time the Spiritual aspects came in that he began to imagine a bigger picture about himself and beyond. Also, consider the animals they have not performed beyond the makes of their souls - their instincts even with all complex phases of evolution that might have incurred . You have not seen a group of one of the closest relatives of man: gorila, monkey or chipanzy as science makes man to believe, living their habitats in the wild and thinking of building luxuries to comfort their lives. Evolution is just a concept of physical phenomenon over the time, it is the spirit that makes man to diligently and intellectually fulfils purpose of creation. Man has been from time prone to forces of evil and good, and done some unreasonable things that science can not handle except there is a spiritual rebirth.

For humans and animals both breath the same air and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place - dust from which they came and to which they must return. For who can prove that human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward into the earth? Eccl. 3v19-21

ooman:

For humans and animals both breath the same air and both die. So people have no real advantage over the animals. How meaningless! Both go to the same place - dust from which they came and to which they must return. For who can prove that human spirit goes upward and the spirit of animals goes downward into the earth? Eccl. 3v19-21

Just the way you disclose this, king Solomon might have presumed that there should be a distinction between what becomes of man and animal at the end of their lives but was still battling confusion. It is a single occurrence with Jesus that erased all the doubts and gave a clear conviction about where and to whom the spirit of man belongs. It is the resurrection and physical manifestation of ascension of Christ to heavens that prove that the spirit of man will rise after death. Nobody among those that witnessed the event, believers and non delivers ever denied it. This is a shot to believers victory over death and expectation of live after death.

Rexyl:

Just the way you disclose this, king Solomon might have presumed that there should be a distinction between what becomes of man and animal at the end of their lives but was still battling confusion. It is a single occurrence with Jesus that erased all the doubts and gave a clear conviction about where and to whom the spirit of man belongs. It is the resurrection and physical manifestation of ascension of Christ to heavens that prove that the spirit of man will rise after death. Nobody among those that witnessed the event, believers and non delivers ever denied it. This is a shot to believers victory over death and expectation of live after death.

jesus never resurrected. the vissions are hallucinations.

solomon was right or you d be claiming the bible is wrong.

the bible is contradictory, everyone knows that. to base one's faith on such a book is insanity.

ooman:

jesus never resurrected. the vissions are hallucinations.

solomon was right or you d be claiming the bible is wrong.

the bible is contradictory, everyone knows that. to base one's faith on such a book is insanity.

Right! This has just shown the extent of your un-belief. Is there no distinction between one borne of the flesh and the other borne of the spirit? How come not to draw a clear line between the two? But I could understand your stuff, always mindful of the flesh and dodge the spirituality. Contrary to your submission the Bible is not contradictory to understanding heart.

Rexyl:

Right! This has just shown the extent of your un-belief. Is there no distinction between one borne of the flesh and the other borne of the spirit? How come not to draw a clear line between the two? But I could understand your stuff, always mindful of the flesh and dodge the spirituality. Contrary to your submission the Bible is not contradictory to understanding heart.

you mean the bible is not contradictory to those dumb enough not to see it contradictions.

there are no spirits, there is no single shred of evidence for the existence of spirits.

you can try to prove spirits if you can

You were never a Christian but was practicing what you met your parents doing.

"The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on."
- Frank Zappa

THIS IS WHAT THE BIBLE CALLS "SIN AGAINST HOLY SPIRIT" WHEN YOU HAVE RELATED WITH HOLY SPIRIT, AND YOU LATER DENY HIM

these atheists are really high on cheap and expired weed! They've been consoling themselves with wrong reasons to life rather than commiting suicide. If not for God's grace....

Atheism,Christianity,Islam.....No scruples. To each man his own. Sticking with Christianity till Hell freezes over. This write-up doesn't change a thing.

ooman:

Nature itself speaks against god.

I beg to disagree. God is nature and nature is God.

The Only God I know is called Energy, without which nothing is made. Every other God is illusion of human mind, control paradigm, and unprovable dogma.

Intriguing and quite compelling. I love the way the argument was articulated. And i must agree that you have some mighty fine points. **adjusts my fence-sitting arzz a little**

991: "The essence of Christianity is told us in the Garden of Eden history. The fruit that was forbidden was on the tree of knowledge. All the suffering you have is because you wanted to find out what was going on."
- Frank Zappa

Mind = Blown!