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Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 8:58am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: This should help.. https://www.nairaland.com/1091640/last-question-asimov |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 9:00am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: I didnt say that time doesnt exist but it is an argument that can go both ways. So, I am now playing the devils advocate to argue that time doesnt exist. Surely, you must have come accross this topic in philosophy -Past, present and future have no tangiblity -do animals percieve time? -past describes an event that happened previously. The event existed but does the "past" exist in itself? It is like saying "length" exists. It doesnt, it is a concept used to measure the distance between two points. The space exists, the points exists but length is only a concept- the length has no tangible existence Time is the measure of the event space (gap) between two or more occurences. The occurences exist but does that gap between the two occurences have a tangible existence? Time is only a measure |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 9:01am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: Nah, nah, nah, you'll just call me bonkers. But, if you will, you may start here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetary_engineering Now, when you read that, please just ask yourself three questions only - 1. Do you think that given sufficient time, humanity will successfully undertake such? 2. If they do, what do you think will be their approach - migration or setting up a zoo, or both? 3. Given the age of the universe, if and when such happens, would you think that its the first time it has occurred? Daz all I can say o, no more on that on this topic! 1 Like |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Mranony: 9:01am On Jun 08, 2013 |
musKeeto:Thanks but that's fiction. DeepSight made what he believes to be a factual statement. That's what I want him to explain. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 9:02am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: We are all talking about time. Time results into a funny paradox if we stretch its foundations. So all of us will be guilty of some counter-intuitive notions. I see beyond your reasoning |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 9:02am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: lmao |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 9:08am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: I should add to that a last question: factor in the brevity of human recorded history on earth. Strange, aint it? DAZ ALL! |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 9:11am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: You are refusing to think. That is not my problem. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 9:13am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: The space between the two points, as per length, exists. The duration between two events, as per time, also exists. Please stop making me think for you. This is tiring. 1 Like |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Mranony: 9:22am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight:Exactly! What he doesn't understand is that a being needs neither events nor spatial points in order to exist. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 9:35am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: Time is a component of God though. Did you think on the planetary engineering questions I asked. Particularly the third (and fourth) questions. Deep Sight: Deep Sight: |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 9:54am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: The space between two points exists but the length doesnt exist. The space between your face and your computer screen is about 11 cm (for instance) That space comprises of air and particles. Air exists- the space exists The length of 11 cm doesnt exist. ========================================= Event A happens before event B. The time gap between A and B is 5 minutes. Does 5 minutes exist? A and B as events existed. 5 minutes is only a concept made from the hours that it approximately takes the earth to rotate around the sun. Should we be on a different planet's rotation (eg mars) would that 5 minutes be a sensible measure? |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 9:56am On Jun 08, 2013 |
@LB: How do you differentiate between a baby, a teenager and an adult? |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:01am On Jun 08, 2013 |
musKeeto: @LB: Agreed we use time as a concept to differentiate and explain the linear progression between a present and a previous point. however, I will ask you does 18 years exist? What truly exists is the growing body. The years have no tangible existence. Just as 75kg doesnt exist but my body mass exists The same way the 18 years do not exist but an adult's body exists. Time is a concept, just like lenght |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 10:03am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: False. Space is not air or particles either. There is no air in most of outer space, and yet there is space there. ========================================= If the duration does not exist, the events cannot happen in it. Now listen carefully: Space is the void into which things are interpolated. Time is the continuum into which events are interpolated. Both exist. Both are self existent; necessary: and could not but exist. They are the intangible reality, the intersection of which forms the core of God. Both are components of God. 1 Like |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by MrTroll(m): 10:05am On Jun 08, 2013 |
musKeeto: @LB:*raising right middle finger* sir sir! I know the answer! Pls let me answer it!!! TIME!!! ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:05am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Please, in your own words, define existence? |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:06am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03:So if I get you right, you have no age, you just have the body of a man.. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:12am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Another problem with time; past present and future; Failure of past and present; - do we really live in the present? No. There is no different between the past and immediate present. -Everything you do presently is an update at a millisecond. The present doesnt exist. An update is the latest version of a recorded event. -Assume that you are typing something- every word you type is in the past as soon as you type the word;, it is a past action. Before you can describe your present action, it is already recorded by you as a past event. Failure of the future; -the future doesnt exist. There is no certainty. You can say that you will be alive in the next second but an asteroid could scatter the whole earth in the next second. -the future doesnt exist just as tommorrow never comes. The moment you enter the future you are in the present which is actually then a recorded past event. eg- I am going to school tommorow Sunday. When sunday comes, I cant say that I am in the future because I will have to say that I am presently in school. But even that present tense is false- I would have to have arrived in school to claim that I am present in school....the past but acually described as the present |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:13am On Jun 08, 2013 |
musKeeto: E no get physical attributes, e no exist |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Mranony: 10:14am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight:I've read it. Now let me answer you. Here's the short answer 1. Do you think that given sufficient time, humanity will successfully undertake such?Yes 2. If they do, what do you think will be their approach - migration or setting up a zoo, or both?Both 3. Given the age of the universe, if and when such happens, would you think that its the first time it has occurred?No. Now that's all well and good but none of them lead us to a statement of fact such as this: Anyway, this world was created by men elsewhere, but of course you may not know this. Now for the Long answer. I don't know if you are familiar with the philosopher called Nick Bostrom but he has proposed an argument called the simulation hpothesis. He has argued something like this: 1. Given enough time and with improvements in computer technology, humans will be able to simulate total virtual universes with characters just like us programmed such that they have freewill and make their own decisions. 2. Of course there will be no way for our virtual characters to know that their world is indeed a simulation. 3. As our computer devices become better and more efficient, more people will be able to afford computers with enough computing power to create virtual universes 4. The virtual people can also develop in technology such that they too can create other virtual worlds. 5. If the above are possible, then there would be more simulated worlds than there are actual worlds. 6. The question now becomes: How do we know that the world we live in is the actual world and not one of the many simulations? Now the above is a good line of thinking to play with but it still doesn't lead us to a factual statement like "This world was created by men elsewhere". Get my drift? 2 Likes |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:15am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Another problem with time; past present and future; No wonder you think infinite regress is more plausible... oh boy no choke your brain engine.. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:15am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: This comment just blew my mind away. Philosophy carries you into some deep areas mannn... ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:16am On Jun 08, 2013 |
musKeeto: Dont lie, I blew your mind ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 10:17am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Another problem with time; past present and future; As such you do not exist: you are a mirage. Let me tell you a secret. The future exists. It is a place in time you as a conscious entity are yet to walk into. You are existing towards and tending towards it. It is a magnet and will draw you into it. There are people who can see it. They can tell you what rests in it. And because of the power of the magnet of the future, which is a component of God, you cannot avoid the future, and what rests in it, and what you have placed in it as you draw unto it. You can, however, affect its composition as you go along, with your own magnetic actions. Ol boy, this one na expo. I dont care to argue it. Just keep it in your left pocket and remember it. I no fit shout. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Mranony: 10:17am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03:This is just terrible thinking. Very poor thinking indeed. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:20am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Guy, my brain is overheating.....I give up..... ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:20am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: Wow....a very mature rebuttal mtchew |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 10:21am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Mr anony: Its wrong because no virtual creation will ever have independent thought or freewill or self consciousness. No robot either. That's like suggesting that you can have a self conscious software or car. The engineered matter can and will only respond as per what is programmed into it and not have independent free thought of its own. Thus Nick Bostrom was just being an idle and shallow fantasist. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Nobody: 10:22am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Articifial intelligence bro...... Could exist ![]() |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by DeepSight(m): 10:23am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Artificial intelligence is not self consciousness as a being. |
Re: Thehomer Please Say by Mranony: 10:23am On Jun 08, 2013 |
Logicboy03: Another problem with time; past present and future;Interesting. Let me see if I can help you. What do you think is meant when it is said that something exists? What do you think "existence" means? |
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