Mr anony:
Interesting. Let me see if I can help you. What do you think is meant when it is said that something exists? What do you think "existence" means?

Logicboy03:

This comment just blew my mind away.


Philosophy carries you into some deep areas mannn...

Mr anony:
This was the discussion we could have had on your matrix thread but as usual you were more interested in mocking religions so I left you to enjoy your pastime.

Logicboy03:


Materialist here;

No physicality, no existence!

Logicboy03:


Is it really wrong to mock religion?

However, it was not a mockery of religion, rather a good criticism of a belief in God. Say no to Anonyism

Deep Sight:
. . .
Let me tell you a secret. The future exists. It is a place in time you as a conscious entity are yet to walk into. You are existing towards and tending towards it. It is a magnet and will draw you into it. There are people who can see it. They can tell you what rests in it. And because of the power of the magnet of the future, which is a component of God, you cannot avoid the future, and what rests in it, and what you have placed in it as you draw unto it.

You can, however, affect its composition as you go along, with your own magnetic actions.

Ol boy, this one na expo. I dont care to argue it. Just keep it in your left pocket and remember it.

I no fit shout.

Mr Troll: hear hear!!! The wise one has spoken and it is the law!

Deep Sight:

Its wrong because no virtual creation will ever have independent thought or freewill or self consciousness.

No robot either.

That's like suggesting that you can have a self conscious software or car. The engineered matter can and will only respond as per what is programmed into it and not have independent free thought of its own.

Thus Nick Bostrom was just being an idle and shallow fantasist.

Mr anony:
Well, I don't quite agree with Nick either but the point is that you can't jump from fantasy like "the world could have been created by other men" straight into factual statements like "the world was created by other men". That my dear needs a little bit more explanation and evidence.

Deep Sight:
Ol boy, this one na expo. I dont care to argue it. Just keep it in your left pocket and remember it.

I no fit shout.

Uyi Iredia: This topic is coming along nicely. DeepSight, I suggest you consider the fact that time has no objective existence outside the humans who define the concept. What does exist are the physical objects used to measure it. Keep in mind that the duration you mentioned refers to time.

Mr anony:
Well, I don't quite agree with Nick either but the point is that you can't jump from fantasy like "the world could have been created by other men" straight into factual statements like "the world was created by other men". That my dear needs a little bit more explanation and evidence.

Deep Sight:

Its wrong because no virtual creation will ever have independent thought or freewill or self consciousness.

No robot either.

That's like suggesting that you can have a self conscious software or car. The engineered matter can and will only respond as per what is programmed into it and not have independent free thought of its own.

Thus Nick Bostrom was just being an idle and shallow fantasist.

Logicboy03: The thing about the past is that you can keep going back to a time before any specific time.

The time (spacetime) of our universe might have a beginning but that doesnt mean that time outside our universe has a beginning.

Uyi Iredia:

Saying time has a beginning is tautological. The very concept of time involves beginning and ending. DeepSight has put paid to this notion in the topic 'Free Thinking'. Look it up.

Uyi Iredia: This topic is coming along nicely. DeepSight, I suggest you consider the fact that time has no objective existence outside the humans who define the concept. What does exist are the physical objects used to measure it. Keep in mind that the duration you mentioned refers to time.

mkmyers45: Through free and near unlimited interaction..An AI can develop its own ideas no?

Deep Sight:
I doubt you have averted your mind to, and dwelt upon the implications of the brevity of recorded human history.

musKeeto:

Calendars,maybe, definitely not time...

Logicboy03:
lol....and where do days, hours and minutes come from if not the calendar calculations of the movement of the earth by man?

Mr anony:
C'mon logicboy this is just too poor even for you. The point is that as long as two separate events exist, time exists. Muskeeto meant calendars in a very different sense than you are misrepresenting him to have made.

Mr anony:
How exactly?

Mr anony:
C'mon logicboy this is just too poor even for you. The point is that as long as two separate events exist, time exists. Muskeeto meant calendars in a very different sense than you are misrepresenting him to have made.

mkmyers45: Human motor skills are developed from the ability to constantly interact with his immediate..Now the number through which this interactions go on is near unlimited. Although hard to concieve, its plausible that a bieng with this ability will develop these skills, learn from these experience and make decisions based on these.

Logicboy03:


lol....and where do days, hours and minutes come from if not the calendar calculations of the movement of the earth by man?

Logicboy03: You should be proud....I was anonynizing

musKeeto: Or better.. TIME HAS TO EXIST, for two separate events to exist...

musKeeto:


Or better.. TIME HAS TO EXIST, for two separate events to exist...

Deep Sight:

That would mean that you could not have come to exist.

Uyi Iredia:

I would because the physical beings required existed. If there was no concept of time, I would still have been born as long as such being existed. I think you are making a typical mistake of treating a concept as if it were an actual physical object.

Logicboy03:


Materialist here;

No physicality, no existence!