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Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by freshcvv(m): 2:21pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
eGuerrilla: How easy was it to loot money and have it 'kept' in countries that were part of the west who sanctioned Nigeria and also blocked Nigeria and the outside world (west) from doing business together? Nigeria was under financial/economic/social sanctions all through the reign of Abacha, how then was he able to keep his loots in some of these countries that were part of those against his govt? Can you keep your goat at your public enemy's house? 1 Like |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by RedReact: 2:22pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Surely, his death would mean different things to different people. Many people claiming he was the best president compared to others had their reasons; but to me, he wasn't. On the 6th of June, 1998, a certain man had his appointment with Abacha himself, rescheduled (a civillian and a nonentity to me at that time). How he got that connection, I don't know. He was told that the C-in-C himself rescheduled his appointment for June 9, 1998. That was how he never got that opportunity to get his own indomie at that time. Abacha's death, to such a man, would be a painful one. To the Yoruba nation, Abacha would never be in their good books. So many people asked if insurgency and wanton loss of lives happened in his time like we have now. The answer is YES, it did. Modakeke and Ife war consumed lives in Osun state and this thing happened twice during Abacha's reign, yet little was done to forestall the crises at that time. Our civil service was jeopardized during this man's reign. As a teacher then, you had to introduce a book or handouts to the students to buy so that they can have some enjoyment. Those in the civil service won't even come to work at all, while those that decided to, would just turn the office to a gist planet. The middle class was non-existent at that time. It was either the high class or the low class. The economy was of no effect to the majority of people at all. The Naira was of great value that time, but it must be noted that to get N500 at that time was not a small thing at all. His tyranny paved way for OBJ to become the president, though against the Yoruba nation's wishes. Had OBJ, a military-civilian, not become the president, we would have been under the man whom the whole nation hated and hate till today, IBB. Abacha's tyranny would have been good had it been propagated like late Chavez of Venezuela or late Ghaddafi of Libya. Besides, soldiers are not meant to rule, they are only meant to protect the sovereignty of a nation, and if they get the taste of power, they won't differentiate it from handling gun (power). 1 Like |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by RedReact: 2:25pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
freshcvv:Money is not stolen like reading ABC sir. There were technicalities involved in doing those things. The same western imperialists that sanctioned him had machineries on ground to romance with him (Abacha), though indirectly. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 2:35pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
freshcvv: Why don't you come out and state your point instead of meandering all over the place via some circuitous route? At least take some pride in your revisionism, by making your position succinctly clear |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Gamji007: 2:36pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
tjadeba: O boy! Are you too alryt? |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 2:44pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
[b][size=18pt]Abacha never looted. The money repatriated by Obasanjo was from one of Obj's or his associates swiss accounts and had nothing to do with Abacha. Obasanjo accused Abacha initially of looting $6billion, yet only approx half a Billion dollars were ever returned; and even that returned money is untraceable. The whole repatriation of looted funds was a scam by Obj, IBB and his cousin Abdulsalami Abubakar to convince Nigerians that Abacha looted. Abacha ruled when oil was selling as low as $9 per Barrel (Today oil prices averages $110 per barrel) Yet : Abacha refused IMF loans and their economic dictates He maintained a strong Naira at N22 = $1 He raised fuel prices by only N6 per litre, and used the revenue generated to fund the Petroleum Trust Fund which he entrusted to the non-corrupt Buhari to be used to maintain and improve infrastructure. He never sold fuel for more than N14 per litre. He reduced our debt by $9bn He increased our reserves by $9bn He reduced inflation from 60% to 8% He built the national hospital in Abuja he built the largest housing estate in Africa He delivered 2 olympic gold medals He delivered AFCON and in the process gave Nigeria Steven Keshi He fulfilled our role as an African superpower by intervening in Sierra Leone and Liberia. All this while earning as little as $9 per barrel from crude sales. He would have to have been a magician to find any money to loot as well. He re-surrected the War against Indiscipline and corruption. He created 6 states. World bank estimates that approx $200bn has been looted from Nigeria since Abacha died, yet gullible Nigerians are only focussing on "recovering" the fathom $2Bn money Abacha was falsely accused of looting. Weep for your country peoples confusion oo It truely tragic that our people are mixed up about who is their heros and thie enemies in history! [/size][/b] 2 Likes |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 3:18pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Joey82: More revisionism, I see. Abacha, who did not borrow from the west, ended up siphoning more than $5 billion of his peoples' commonwealth, over a five year period, at a time when annual earnings from oil was about $10 billion/year. Do you see the glaring contradiction? Now, as if this lame attempt at histrionics was not bad enough; you then reduce the major role he played in hastening the systematic decay which currently abounds in Nigeria - both as second in charge and a supreme leader - by referring to the price of gari. This one truly boggles the mind, I tell you. I won't even both responding to his much touted patriotism, since he clearly ranks some distance behind Joseph-Désiré Mobutu - who not only dropped his English first name under the guise of an Africanization policy, but also renamed his country 'Zaire'. No sir, history will not absolve Abacha of his many sins. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by crackhouse(m): 3:26pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Katier00 :i am sure ur type of person like suffering and smiling so much. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 3:28pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
eGuerrilla: Revisionism is necessary in Abacha's case , it is time to tell the truth after the lies that were started by obasanjo and IBB. GenBuhari: [b][size=18pt]Abacha never looted. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by chessguru1(m): 3:37pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Brilliance9000: After reading the comments on this thread, I must say we NEED ANOTHER ABACHA, particularly, to deal with or if I may borrow Abacha's word "dissolve" some of Nairalanders. Most of you are the most ignorant piece of sh$it I have seen in my life. The saddest thing is when you look up their profiles, these are men in their 30s, 40s and 50s. Meaning, they have no absolute clue of why Abacha was killed after all these years and never care to research. Yes he dissolved some individuals, what leader hasn't?Didn't want to comment on this funny thread till I saw ur comment. And you are soooooo right. The mistake people make is to think democracy is for every country. My belief is that some countries are J̶̲̥̅̊u̶̲̥̅̊S̤̥̈̊τ̲̣̣̥ too ehh......MAD to practice it. Give them freedom of speech and they call u a weak leader and make cartoons of you. I honestly think a military or communism govt would be best for d set of animals we have wearing suit and ties on the streets of nigeria. A place like warri where if they haven't seen a soldier with GUN, they cannot behave themselves. English and reason don't work. The only thing we heed to is FORCE. Its a shame |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Otunbakay(m): 3:38pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Kewt: Sadly, 15 after, and 14 years of unfettered democratic rule, not much has changed. Beautiful speech but alas! He was the devil in human skin. Nonetheless those dat had d opportunity to rule the country till date 're nt better off |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 3:44pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
GenBuhari: If this is what you choose to believe, it is your prerogative. Some of us do not need an Obasanjo or an IBB to understand the events that unfolded during those dark years. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by instinctg(m): 4:19pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
E no go beta 4am. Even his fellow inmates in had cold shivers on his arrival in hell ! The blood of d saro-wiwas, kudirat abiola and so many more would curse his condemned generation . Useless aboki 1 Like |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by PvtParts1: 4:21pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
GenBuhari: [b][size=2pt]Abacha never looted. HIDING YOUR LIES BY REDUCING THE FONT SIZE |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 4:26pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
^ Elaborate! Like someone said when Sanctions were imposed on Nigeria, if Abacha truely had funds in foreign banks those monies would havebeen frozen then in 1995 |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 4:29pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
So that he built the National Hospital in Abuja na lie? Or that he delivered Olympic gold medal in football? That he intervened in Sierra Leone? Which one na lie? Pvt. Parts: |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by ddeola: 4:32pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Short-man-devil 1 Like |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 4:35pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
^ that term suits Obj better. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by AlkalinGari: 4:39pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
[color=#000099][/color]well as far as I'm concern he is one of the very best we've had..#gbam! Bigcake: Because he didnt kill ur father like he did to Saro Wiwa.. A good leader who wanted to be a sit tight leader. Just to mention a few. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 5:01pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Katier00 :BABE I REAL FEEL U, I KNW U WHERE 1 OF HIS BABE FEEDING HIM APPLE BUT I HOPE NO BI UR HAND HE FINALLY PIA.... |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 5:02pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
GenBuhari: ^ Elaborate! I see you are now hedging your bets on the well documented hypocrisy of Western powers who looked the other way with the likes Abacha, Mobutu, and a long list of other despots around the world, at the time. This is a rather convenient alibi which lends itself to mind atrophy, given the events recounted below. According to the Swiss Ministry of Foreign Affairs, $700 million were returned to Nigeria. (Source: Swiss Ministry of Foreign Affairs, September 30, 2009.) In 2001, the Abacha family and associates reached an agreement with the Nigerian government to release $1.3 billion frozen in Switzerland, Liechtenstein and Luxembourg in exchange for being able to keep $100 million. Source |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by zuchyblink(m): 5:27pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Katier00 :are u guyz 4 real?abacha that looted and looted Nigeria? |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by ifedayoonikola(m): 7:49pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
mmmustapha: how old r u kid?none of ur biz.he has d right to say whateva.maybe u should enlighten him |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 7:58pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Katier00 :lmaooooooooooo |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 8:05pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
had just gotten back from "lesson" then when my neighn\bors ran out and said they just heard on cnn that Abacha was dead which is says a lot aboyut the decay in the Nigerian system that the president will die and we will have to depend on a foreign news agency to brake the news to us in Nigeria But as par the man,AM sure most of you can not rem all the numerous suspicious bomb blasts going on all in the name of him claiming that enemies did not want him to rule the nation and am certain u all also forgot about the adoption of him as sole candidate by all 5 political parties in nigeria lol.... |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by freshcvv(m): 9:41pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
eGuerrilla: If you have answers to my questions, kindly provide instead of making statements like this. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by okposenxavier: 10:16pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Besides obj, I think he was the best military administrator the country had. R.I.P to those that were caught in his line of fire. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 10:33pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
^ OBJ who handed over power in 1979 and used nations money meant for his "Operation Feed the Nation" to start his Ota farm. Abacha is way too good to even be compared with genocidal kleptomaniac that is Obasanjo. |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 11:12pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
I have said it many times that the money repatriated, was not linked to Abacha and it was a scam purely for the purpose of duping the Nigerian public. [size=23pt]Swiss court document on so-called "Abacha Loot" case, shows Abacha was maliciously and unjustly blamed of looting[/size] http://www.mcswisslaw.com/pages_e/2008%20Monfrini%20-%20The%20Abacha%20Case.pdf [size=18pt]" The existence of a system of confiscation orders that is independent from a criminal conviction is therefore a necessity in grand corruption cases. In this context, reversing the burden of proof or imposing procedural consequences on the failure of the asset holder to cooperate regarding the origin of the assets, appear to be best legislative practice. The presumption of innocence does not necessarily apply to confiscation proceedings and ‘presumptions of fact or of law operate in every criminal-law system and are not prohibited in principle’ and therefore do not breach the right to a fair trial.28 "[/size] [size=18pt]This is 21 page Swiss court document but the above extract is very revealing indeed. Basically, by qualifying Abacha's family members together with PDP stooges claiming to be Abacha's business associates as a 'Criminal Organisation', Nigerian Government did not need to prove that the funds in the foreign accounts belonged to Abacha, The Onus was on Abacha to proof that he was innocent of the charges. Of course a deceased man could not do that. Abacha's son Mohammed could not fully challenge the allegations as he was locked up at the time by Obasanjo on trumped up charges. Abacha performance paying $9bn into reserves whilst facing sanctions prosecuting 2 wars and reducing inflation and earning only $9/barrel from crude exports whilst rejecting all IMF loans, makes it difficult to find how he could have looted.[/size] eGuerrilla: |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by Nobody: 11:22pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by generaldre(m): 11:26pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
If he is not the best[uuote author=Katier00 ]he was a real leader, rip to one of the best nigeria's leader [/quote] |
Re: Sani Abacha - 15 Years After by aljharem(m): 11:43pm On Jun 08, 2013 |
Some Nigerians are the most ungrateful no-brainer people on earth. How can someone/something be it human or animal say "He is the best president". WHAT DID ABACHA ACHIEVE FOR NIGERIA OTHER THAN CORRUPTION, ELITISM, RITUALS AND DESTABILITY. Nigerians are craze indeed Nnamdi, GEJ, OBASANJO, SHAGARI, BUHARI are the best President Nigerians has ever have. Abacha is the worst second to he brother IBB |
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