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Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Goshen360(m): 1:52pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
benalvino: I will be MORE THAN GLAD to systematically discuss this subject\topic with you and tgirl. You can start a new thread with my I.D and Tgirl. I hope people will not derail it like this one or if you like, we can do it HERE ON THIS THREAD, SLOWLY AND STEADILY. Tell me what you like to do, open new thread or stay here. |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by noblefada: 1:55pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
benalvino:Again you show ur ignorance, all the early Apostle had churches in-fact peoples houses were used has churches, even our Lord wrote to churches in Rev 2. the reason I asked 4 ur church is for me to know who I'm dealing with. I don't want to join issues with u on a subject that is very clear but just because of brethren that might read this, pls kindly explain the ffg scripture Mar 16:15-17 KJV 15: And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16: He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. 17: And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 2:38pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
noblefada:friend, dont waste your energy on him. He seeks to argue and not to learn. |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Goshen360(m): 3:02pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
The subject of 'SPEAKING' and 'PRAYING' in tongues is as clear as a day light. Paul NEVER taught AGAINST praying in tongues BUT HE CORRECTED THE ABUSE OF TONGUES. Just like se.x is not wrong in his correction to the Corinthian church,but se.x with wrong person or unnatural is what abuses se.x and makes it wrong. Hence, Paul wrote to correct WRONG se.xual activities. The same is subject of tongues, not praying in tongues that Paul said WAS WRONG but how it was practiced. This is what goes on in our Pentecostal churches where people just ALL speak or pray in tongues WITHOUT interpretation. THIS IS WHAT IS WRONG NOT THE PRAYING IN TONGUE ITSELF. 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:08pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Speaking in tongues ended with the apostles and only those they laid their hands on then. The tongues of today are from the deceiver satan. 2 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by ozoemeka(m): 3:18pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
In a bid to understand, I have questions. Firstly, V. 1 and V. C seem to contradict. as with VI 1 How and where specifically did Paul say the gifts would cease, in 1 Cor 13, if I am not mistaken he mentions knowledge too, does that mean knowledge of any kind should be ceased? Acts 1:4,5 mention a gift The Father has promised, it does not INCLUDE the fact that this is for them ONLY...according to you, others they laid hands on received it, so won't that go against you in V.1 Also can you then explain Mark 16:16-18 ? I humbly expect your reply. benalvino: One of the "Tenets" of the Pentecostal movement is the belief in the infilling of the "Holy Spirit" with the evidence of "Speaking in Tongues" or an "Unknown Tongue". There own interpretation of this is the Spirit of God ... "The Holy Ghost" ... is speaking through them. and if the holy spirit is speaking through them how do they know what they are praying to God? they usual pray in tongues(gibberish) in Nigeria and preach in normal English or known tongue(language) |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:20pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
MrBible: Speaking in tongues ended with the apostles and only those they laid their hands on then. The tongues of today are from the deceiver satan.sir, Peter speaking about the Holy Spirit said, "....ye shall recieve the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you and to your children and to all that are afar off, EVEN AS MANY AS THE LORD OUR GOD SHALL CALL." Acts 2:38-39. Jesus speaking said, "AND THESE SIGNS SHALL FOLLOW THEM THAT BELIEVE: in my name shall cast out devils; THEY SHALL SPEAK WITH NEW TONGUES." Mark 16:15 Go study your bible sir. 5 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by ozoemeka(m): 3:21pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Did Paul not say he speaks in tongues MORE than others? Is paul "bragging" about speaking "gibberish" more than others? Surely he wasn;t saying he speaks Hebrew, French, English etc and many more languages than others because there were many a christian back then who were multilingual and Paul was never written to be such. Explain. benalvino: |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:23pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
benalvino: Because, just as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are God's ways and His thoughts too! See Isaiah 55:9 Never use your human reasoning, your intelligence and logic to question God's ways. You will end up looking foolish 3 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by jakaiso(m): 3:23pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
[quote author=benalvino]One of the "Tenets" of the Pentecostal movement is the belief in the infilling of the "Holy Spirit" with the evidence of "Speaking in Tongues" or an "Unknown Tongue". There own interpretation of this is the Spirit of God ... "The Holy Ghost" ... is speaking through them. and if the holy spirit is speaking through them how do they know what they are praying to God? they usual pray in tongues(gibberish) in Nigeria and preach in normal English or known tongue(language) quote] While I cannot completely disagree with you concerning tonugues-I believe you were wrong when you said that God no longer speaks to man directly.Can you mention two or more verses to support that. The New Testament is evidence that God spoke to man afer Pentecost. And then the following verses: John 16: 13-13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. Luke 12: 11-12 11 “When you are brought before synagogues, rulers and authorities, do not worry about how you will defend yourselves or what you will say, 12 for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.” And there many instances where the Holy Spirit guided early Christians or where the Lord Jesus himself spoke to people or sent Angels: These examples included Cornelius ( even before he became a Christian - and he was NOT even a Jew) Ananias who baptised Saul who late became Paul Paul when the Holy Spirit prevented him from entering a particular city A study of scripture will show that God speaks to us in 4 ways ( this is not a doctrine-just my own study of the Bible , what I have heard from others and my experiences validated by scripture) 1)He speaks to us whenever the written word (the Bible) comes alive in our hearts. A person can read the Bible all his life and this never happens. 2) He speaks to us through other people ( like when Agabus came to Paul) 3) He speaks to us through a clear definite impression in our hearts 4) In a clear distinct voice-If God speaks to you-you will KNOW it is God-aside from the fact of course that WHATEVER He says comes to pass. Concerning Tongues-I believe 1 Corinthians 12 says it all-especially verse 30 asks rhetorically " Do all speak Tongues" That chapter shows clearly that speaking in Tongues is: 1) A gift 2) It is not the 'best' gift 3) Not all will speak in tongues 4) God gives everyone whatever gifts he decides to or and in some cases what they may request. |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by badmeat(m): 3:24pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
To speak in another tongue is one of the gift of the Holy spirit,it means the ability to edify others in their own language that is not ur own,e.ga german by the influence of the holy ghost can speak igbo or hausa for the purpose of propagating the gospel,when the apostles spoke in tongues others people from asia,arabia,greeks,libya,egypt etc were surprised to hear the apostles speak their dialect see acts chapter 2 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by COOLDUN: 3:26pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
benalvino: I am a christian who loves and believe in God almighty alone. I believe that Jesus Christ is my Lord and personal Savior. I also believe that i am a sinner who is living by the special grace of God almighty. I support what you said 100%, i have traveled world wide and worshiped in many churches in the western countries and see how these people worship in truth and spirit. Though no one is free from sin, but the white people are more honest than the African Christians. I don't believe that anyone living now can speak in tongues, speaking in tongue does never mean to repeat gibberish all in the name of speaking in tongues. The disciples of Christ were true born again and were not Christians but real children of God. They had the gift of speaking in tongues because of their movements around the world then. It gave them the opportunity to send their messages to the people whom they could not speak their languages then. When they were in a high spirit they would speak in tongues immediately they finish their preaching and speaking in tongues, the holy spirit would leave them , those people who heard their different languages would rush them to inquire from them whether they were from their places but the disciples would not be able to respond to them again, by then their message had been passed. It was one of the miracles that won the disciples and Christ many converts, but today in just few minutes in prayers pastors and Christians would start speaking the same thing you hear from another pastors. Orobo scater, yakerrri, yamaha , suzuki , samadonki, oroborororororo, kirimamamamamam, yakarrrrrraaaa. Arrant nonsense, any language you speak, while speaking in tongues that was not heard by any memeber of the church or people around you then is a big FAKE. They said it is heaven language, agreed but it must be heard by someone around you, whom you don't know his/her language before. You cannot speak the language and interpret it at the same time, then what is the need? I don't go to church for any one but to worship my God, no one living will ever convince me that he/she can speak in tongues. You can talk your trash while praying or preaching to me but to believe you is optional to me. I repeat again, no one speaks in real tongue nowadays. Take my words or leave it. 7 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Kenny4lyfe(m): 3:31pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Study to shew thyself approved a workman that needed not be ashamed RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH 2Timothy 2:15! Many has got God's word wrongly divided and I'm not suprised because I'm aware that these are the Last Days. I pray the veil on the eyes of many be removed that they might see Jesus on That Day: as He is, the Only Begotten of the Father full of grace and truth! John 1:14 On the Topic: 1Corinth. 14:2,4 and 14(KJV) and I pray that for whoever wills it, may the Lord open your understanding to discern the difference between "speaking in an unknown tongue" and "speaking in tongues" ! |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by maxisfield(f): 3:36pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
100likes for u OP..ribabababa shokokoko kandaya! wat iz dat? Evn the persn speakin ds unknown lang dosnt undastnd it. Dey tel demselves the holy spirit undastnds. kai! Ma lord hav mercy 2 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:41pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
COOLDUN:lol, no one can speak in tongue? The apostles spoke in tongues because they were in a high spirit? Buhahaha. You need to start attending sunday school! |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:42pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Speaking in tongues indeed, how about this Lord Jesus Christ, thank you for waking me up today, may ur name be blessed and praised forever. Guide me through the day and grant me favour and grace..... Now how hard was that..... 4 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by trolling(m): 3:43pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Dem christian folks be speaking jargons n gibberish, My God is not an author of confusion, a tongue is a language, but when I look at it from another angle demons have their own tongue 2 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Brymo: 3:45pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
U guys shud b careful tho,about dis topic, #justsaying. 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Santi19(m): 3:46pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Don't really know what to say, but I'll like you to read Acts 2:1-15 |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Solardamex(m): 3:47pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
I urge you, my brothers and sisters: watch out for those who cause divisions and upset people's faith and go against the teaching which you have received. Keep away from them! For those who do such things are not Serving Christ our lord, but their own appetites. By their fine words and flattering speech they deceive innocent people. {Romans 16:17-18} |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:47pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
@ben is this a revelation by the Spirit of God or head knowledge? |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Richy4(m): 3:50pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
frosbel: I know that every one is entitle to their own opinion. but i know that Kenneth Hagin is not a false teacher. the bible characters you wanted to refer to were men like you and me. Take PAUL for instance, he was beaten, almost stoned,imprisoned for teaching what his generation called false. but i guess you can quote what Paul said in the scripture because he was not in our generation. Now Kenneth Hagins is a false prophet because he is in our era. if Paul were to be in our generation, would you have believed his teaching. 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:52pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Speaking in tongues ke? Some pentecostal churches has turned it into a joke! ;DI find it funny that people would make up gibberish noises all in the name of praying.whats is robobooo ski ribs babagi baba shererebebebebe....., .Remembered few years ago when my mom called a MOD to pray for me,after 2 minutes, he stopped and asked me"how many demons do you have in your head",I replied "24"(in my innocence) ,the man started speaking in tongues while he bathed me with algae filled saliva.All the while I opened one of eyes as I watch him pour out venom on my beautiful face( fearing I would contract eczema).This speaking in tongues lasted for over an hour before he finally asked me in a tired mood"how many demons is left?",innocently I said "24" ;Dagain but I later replied almost immediately,"uncle two don comot!" when I noticed how tired he was and then there was 22 remaining.... Anytime I discuss this with my mom today,she would just cry her eyes off in laughter!!!!robobo ko! Skiribiribi ni! Biko kwa !!! 5 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Decryptor(m): 3:54pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Speaking in tongues is not wrong because it is biblical. But what i am not in support of is where some churches compel people to do that. The disciples in the bible were not compelled to speak in tongues but they spoke as they were led by the spirit. So any church that sits her new converts down and tries to give tutorials on speaking in tongues is getting it all wrong! I won't mention any church's name...they know themselves. 3 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by chaloner(m): 3:55pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
All I will say is that the MOD that put this on front page is naturally MAD, for the writer JUDGE urself . Pls for your safety dnt reply dis writeup |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:55pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
ARES: Speaking in tongues indeed, how about this Simple as eating a good sharwarma 3 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by jesuspikin(m): 3:56pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
initially i had wanted to reserve my comment having this understanding that the poster of this topic is too carnal to understand spiritual things.the eternal word of GOD said letter killeth but the spirit giveth life and he said the words that i speak unto you they are spirit and they are life.the fact that the poster continues to view the bible from the carnal point of veiw makes him blinded to the truth and romans 8 v 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. the bible is very clear on the issue of ''TONGUES'1 THERE IS SPEAKING IN TONGUES....the incoherent/gibberish/non-decodable by satan prayer by the believer which is purely a joint venture between the holy spirit and the spirit of the believer ref:2romans 8v6[b] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. 28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose. [/b] 2.the second aspect of tongues is SPEAKING IN AN UNKNOWN OR STRANGE LANGUAGE which i believe the poster has been battling to explain.PERMIT ME TIME TIME FOR FURTHER EXPLANATION BUT LET ME CONCLUDE BY SAYING THAT THE THINGS OF THE WORD OF GOD IS PURELY SPIRITUAL AND ARE ETERNAL 2 Likes |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Emylexray(m): 3:56pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
There are so many people on nairaland in the religion section who always apply "human wisdom" in treating issues of the spirit. It never works that way. The disciples in the upper room spoke in diverse tongues when the holy spirit came upon them. Would you say they were "jabbering" or "gibbering" like you claimed? Bro, a carnal/ordinary man cannot understand the things of the spirit. Stop fanning the embers of falsehood and heresy. Well, it is not unexpected, we are in the last days! Matthew 24 is just being fufilled. 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Nobody: 3:58pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
The tongues spoken in the bible where actual languages and not the 'gibberish' you hear today. For example you might have heard an Igbo MAN speaking in Yoruba or a Hausa woman speaking in Efik. Today , this whole tongue issue has been abused and turned into madness, you hear people saying things like, aaaaaababababababababcacacacaromoshakoromoshakoretuderetu etc. this is just nonsense. "When they heard the loud noise, everyone came running, and they were bewildered to hear their own languages being spoken by the believers." - Acts 2:6 Usually, it was more edifying to have an interpreter in such cases to interpret the language to the hearing and benefit of others. 1 Like |
Re: Leave Any Church That Speaks In Tongues(gibberish) by Tgirl4real(f): 3:58pm On Jul 28, 2013 |
Goshen360: The subject of 'SPEAKING' and 'PRAYING' in tongues is as clear as a day light. Paul NEVER taught AGAINST praying in tongues BUT HE CORRECTED THE ABUSE OF TONGUES. OK sir. Let me get u right, do u get interpretation when you pray in tongues. |
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