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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 4:31pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
This is not as detailed as the interview and unfortunately Ajuluchukwu is late, but this is a recent quote from Odia Ofeimun. Azikiwe had written a long speech, published in an early edition of his newspaper, theWest African Pilot, explaining why he would not call on the Prime Minister, Tafawa Balewa, to form a government. And then another emergency edition was published later in the day in which he wrote another speech calling on the Prime Minister to form a government. The Great Zik had virtually been put under house arrest by the British Commander of the Nigerian Army, Welby Everard. http://mobile.saharareporters.com/report/forgotten-documents-nigerian-civil-war-odia-ofeimun |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 4:45pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
naptu2: That is a worthy piece of information, if correct. I wish you can post the link on the net for us to verify. If this is true, so Zik was not man enough to stand by his agreement with Awo and he had to betray Awo to make Balewa the PM. Hmmmmm interesting!!!!! I will like to see the link and read that part myself before believing it. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 5:26pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
naptu2: This is not as detailed as the interview and unfortunately Ajuluchukwu is late, but this is a recent quote from Odia Ofeimun. The reasons Zik wanted to give were not unrelated to the vote-rigging, intimidation, and thuggery that were perpetuated by NPC/NNDP in the West. NCNC won all seats in the East and Mid-west and was relying on AG victory in the West to get a majority. Those elections were probably the most vicious and deadly in Nigerian history. Zik didn't want to recognise the results and invite Balewa to form the government on that basis. Unfortunately, the results were declared being that NPC was in power. But the first mistake Zik made was in forming a government with NPC. The second mistake Zik made was in joining Balewa to crush Awo. Remember that Zik had helped Akintola to avoid being sacked as premier and was counting on Akintola to align with NCNC (Giving Akintola's antecedents, I don't know why he would have pursued that strategy). In the end, he became a victim of the political game and strategy he had helped to formulate. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:02pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Katsumoto: ''the reasons zik wanted to give were not unrelated...'' . Here again,we found katz entering into ziks mind and interpreting ziks thoughts to fit his own propaganda. Haha! 3 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:07pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
nuclearboy: Where else is the recordof this ''goat are crying'' rubbish apart from yoruba and pro nigerian propaganda sites? And stop trying to appear neutral,cos we know you aint. 2 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 6:08pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
pazienza: I have told you that debates of this sort are above your pay grade. If NCNC refused to recognize the results which resulted in its defeat, what other reasons could there be for Zik not wanting to call Balewa to form a government? Please enlighten us. 3 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:12pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Katsumoto: We are still waiting for the list o! *grins* 1 Like |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:16pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Katsumoto: Only NCNC and zik could answer that question,what you did was a guess. You don't go about assigning motives to human actions without hearing from them. And i had told you that you are a copy and paste pseudo intellectual. I had exposed your pseudo intellectualism and dishonesty,in this thread many times. 2 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by pazienza(m): 6:23pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Katsumoto: For those who don't understand the process of forming governments and think AG was double dealing by approaching NCNC and NPC, please see below for how it is done in the world. If you don't have basic understanding of politics, then stay out of it. Such talks are kept open,such that the other parties are aware of it. Awo kept akintola's visit to the north a secret, why? 2 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by kmariko: 6:53pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
It is really painfull that the current "elites" will delve into matters that happened before them without at least reading and understanding the broader context of issues when their fathers or mothers were at the helm of affairs. The cleavages within the nation was real before independence, during and continuing (at present) after independence. The threat of civil war has been there since 1940 and continuing.,., Apportioning blames or non blames here does not serve any intellectual value to "kids" reading "your" (ewarriors) piece here but help to perpetuate all those tribalistic atavistic values the past leaders imbibed to the nation. Probably the graph below will help these ewarriors that the past wasn't about Nigeria as a country but the fight for limited resources among the elites as is CURRENTLY obtained. Can the ewarriors really really tell the difference of what was then and now in the polity.
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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Katsumoto: 6:55pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Pazienza - you are back on ignore; I have no patience for your continued idiocy. 3 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 7:10pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Odia Ofeimun said (on the AIT Independence Day programme) that a copy of Zik's initial speech (including his reasons for not calling Balewa to form a government) is in the British Library. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Italiano1: 7:15pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
naptu2: Odia Ofeimun said (on the AIT Independence Day programme) that a copy of Zik's initial speech (including his reasons for not calling Balewa to form a government) is in the British Library. Naptu, the link you posted is quite illuminating, I will advise posters to have a read. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 8:56pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Italiano1: A big thanks to naptu. I have a better understanding of a lot of things now. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 9:20pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
pazienza: Bros unfortunately I had to say Katz is a joker. I will not endorse everything wrote from the link supplied by naptu2 because Odia Ofeimun is another perennial goof however it has collaborated what I had written that there was a difference in connotation between coalition and alliance. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by OrlandoOwoh(m): 10:09pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Italiano1:It was actually written towards the end of last to counter Chinua Achebe of his last book which Odia Ofeimun saw as full of lies. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by nuclearboy(m): 10:41pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
pazienza: Go stick a biafran bayonet up your backside, sideways! Trying to reason with you presupposed you had a brain, not bitterness stuffed in your 1 mile by 1 mile long head, you dirty goat! Such as you vacuous war-mongers should have gone with Biafra and left the true innocents who were slaughtered! I feel sad about them but wasn't involved so its not my place to take sides OR apologise, and especially not to a composition of bad genes and half-baked knowledge like you! So stfu 1 Like |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Italiano1: 10:42pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
Orlando Owoh: Full of lies indeed and it shows how dishonorable and unprincipled Ashebe was as a human being! @ Dedemoron Instead of referring to everyone that has an opposing view to yours as a dingbat- perhaps you could try read and use your brain to objectively decipher between the truth and falsehood. In my opinion, the most pertinent part of Odia's article is: It would require a major somersault in logic to make this look like a vote for the secession of any part of Nigeria. Actually as early as August 1966, on his being reprieved from his ten year imprisonment, Awolowo had made a speech in which he said: “The breaking up of Nigeria into a number of sovereign states would not only do permanent damage to the reputation of contemporary Nigerian leaders but would also usher in terrible disasters which would bedevil us and many generations to come.” To contort such a speech in favour of secession belongs to a vaulting refusal to see no reason that is not pro-secession. To insist however that Awolowo encouraged the Igbo to secede actually insults the intelligence of the average Igbo. The implication is that after the pogrom of 1966, it required an Obafemi Awolowo, whether as a goad or quarry to hearten the attempt at secession. It is close to saying that they thought of an alternative that was different but had to bow to Awolowo's, an old enemy's, prodding. This may be the picture that many Biafrans liked to have of themselves. Those who think the Igbos deserve a better picture of themselves may be called names. But it does not change the score. ^^^^^Those are words that every ibo man should memorize and recite on a daily basis. It will help you get over an astonishing hangover that has lasted over 40 years. 8 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Nobody: 11:10pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
out of curiosity is italiano1 , eko ile , eko atlantic and agbameta the same person? |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 11:12pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
DerideGull: You are the joke of the year 2013. You will not endorse all the write up, but you chose to go along with part of it because it is in tandem with your position, Bros, respect yourself. If you don't have anything tangible just read it and keep mute. It is better for you reject the whole write up in its entirety than the chameleonic approval you are given. I tire for you. The part Italiano alighted should be pasted on the classrooms - from nursery school to your university - for you to memories the line and purge yourself of your propaganda. I love the part that states it is an insult on the intelligence level of ibos of they had to wait on Awo to pour seaman schnapp on their request for secession before they can go ahead. No wonder one was asking Afenifere to anoint ohaneze's statement. 1 Like |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by free13: 11:23pm On Oct 04, 2013 |
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Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by naptu2: 10:54am On Oct 05, 2013 |
I wish there was a way I could get that video clip from AIT, because MCK Ajuluchukwu's comments were quite revealing. He was actually at State House during the crisis. |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 11:57am On Oct 05, 2013 |
Italiano1: Dayolodo. I imagine the type of fat Yoruba girls that tickle your moronic fancy. You tend to embrace every junk written by hacks such as Odia Ofeimun. What do you expect from a fellow who goes by the name, Amala Ofenmanu? |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by DerideGull(m): 12:06pm On Oct 05, 2013 |
papparatzzi2013: Your ability as a poor student has been irreversibly displayed on this forum by none other than your silly self. Since my formative years in the kindergarten grade, I have never taken Obafami Awolowo seriously. I can never be spotted in the crowd that shouts illogical praises to such a despicable and twisted tribal icon such Obafemi Awolowo. I guess you are at your favorable play of idiocy once again. 2 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Italiano1: 4:53pm On Oct 05, 2013 |
DerideGull: As expected, no intelligent contribution to make. Did you read the article? Are his assertions wholly false? What parts do you not concur with? Can you provide any intelligible critique? Not only are you morally bankrupt, intellectually deficient but like Ashebe, you are a very dishonest person. Your mode of operation is to find out the Facts and the Truth and then you obstinately and steadfastly misrepresent and falsify them. One would have expected that a man who is as old as you are will try and give examples to your great-grand children and to the younger ibo generation but you are only perpetuating the mendacious qualities of umuibgo. 8 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by Malawian(m): 10:55pm On Oct 08, 2013 |
why did the british include yorubas in this country? ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by russellino: 11:22am On Oct 10, 2013 |
papparatzzi2013: Poor man ![]() Last word to your local and incoherent person - NORTHERN MOBS HAVE LEARNED THE HARD WAY, IGBOS ARE NO LONGER FAIR GAME IN THE NORTH LIKE SOME OTHER PEOPLE. IF E PAIN U TOO MUCH GO HANG IF U CAN AFFORD ROPE 4 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by debetmx(m): 12:16pm On Oct 10, 2013 |
Malawian: why did the british include yorubas in this country? The British included the Yorubas in this country to checkmate the self deluded sharpness of the ibo people ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by papparatzzi2013: 1:08pm On Oct 10, 2013 |
russellino: Runaway idiot you are back. I.am sure, you have been busy caressing that your black and white TV since all.these days, that is why it took you over a week to respond. You felt you can sneak here and post your.comment without being noticed Stop sneaking around like the robber in the night that you are. Be courageous enough when all men are here. Stop being a sissy. Boastful lot. Ask your brodas up north they will tell you. They are BH's shot practise material. Learn to listen to news and understand it very well with your ewu brain |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by OrlandoOwoh(m): 1:45pm On Oct 10, 2013 |
Is Dede still suffering from post Katsumoto e-lynching trauma? I pity the 80 year old ex-Biafran soldier. 3 Likes |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by SonOfEl(m): 1:50am On Oct 26, 2013 |
Orlando Owoh: Is Dede still suffering from post Katsumoto e-lynching trauma? I pity the 80 year old ex-Biafran soldier. ...and you think you are making sense right? |
Re: INTERVIEW: Why We Killed Ironsi And Installed Gowon — Rtd Gen. Jeremiah Useni by OrlandoOwoh(m): 4:56am On Oct 26, 2013 |
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