JayFK:

So out of curiosity, you're comparing the manufacturing processes of humans to the manufacturing process of a perfect heavenly being? If that was the case did he also research and do simulations also? Does he engage in division of labour? maybe some angels assisted him in creating Adam, that's why he messed up, since his previous product failed and his next product also failed

Yes, i am comparing them. We are created in His image.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

The Harbinger ~:

You are not just damned for rebellion, you are damned in these days for refusing to take the solution for your rebellion, thereby bearing the full responsibility for your actions.

Somehow, a few will not take this solution and they won't be damned.

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Yes, i am comparing them. We are created in His image.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him

from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

If we are created in his image then it must be a very poor image brother, a horrible imitation, was that intended by the creator also, a flawed product or design? Because that's the only reason perfection can give rise to imperfection, if the flaws were intended

All I see is God apologists. I never see God. Opening an NL account can't be that difficult.

aManFromMars: All I see is God apologists. I never see God. Opening an NL account can't be that difficult.

Naira land is the testing ground for a new and perfect nairaland lol

aManFromMars: All I see is God apologists. I never see God. Opening an NL account can't be that difficult.

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And why do you think it incomparable? Did Adam not commit a crime? Is it okay for man to punish a crime and not okay for God to punish a crime?
i do not think we're joking here, eternity is not child's play BTW. Hopefully, yo don't lose your voice this time again, you'll need it for eternity.

Adam committed a crime so did God. Infact, God committed the worst crime. That God punished adam n went scot free is a dent on his image.

Each time you say man punishes for crime always remb God will roast a man for eternity for lying

makes sense, doesn't it?

aManFromMars: All I see is God apologists. I never see God. Opening an NL account can't be that difficult.

lwkmd. Lmao

JayFK:

Naira land is the testing ground for a new and perfect nairaland lol

The Harbinger ~:
always try to understand what the bible says.
here is what the bible says in direct correlation with tribulations(tests) and heaven:

Revelation 7:9-12 I looked again. I saw a huge crowd, too huge to count. Everyone was there—all nations and tribes, all races and languages. And they were standing, dressed in white robes and waving palm branches, standing before the Throne and the Lamb and heartily singing:
Salvation to our God on his Throne! Salvation to the Lamb! All who were standing around the Throne—
...
13-14 Just then one of the Elders addressed me: "Who are these dressed in white robes, and where did they come from?" Taken aback, I said, "O Sir, I have no idea—but you must know."

15-17 Then he told me, "These are those who come from the great tribulation, and they've washed their robes, scrubbed them clean in the blood of the Lamb. That's why they're standing before God's Throne.

Thanks bro!
I'll just add this to my "list of bible contradictions"...

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Yes, i am comparing them. We are created in His image.
Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

You guys keep moving the goal post!
Here you say the creative process of man and God are the same because we're created in his image.
then later you'll say that God cannot be subjected to human ideas of morality when you guys are defending the genocide in the bible...smh

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You didn't see how because you were ranting. You were going on about God reaping. simply said, slow down. Reaping time, harvest time is still future, not now. Don't count your chickens before they're hatched(that's basic primary school advice, right?). Harvest time will be the last day, Judgement day. Don't conclude the scres before the Referee blws the final whistle. There would be an innumerable multitude of people that have overcome. We know the final scores. What should flood your thoughts is "will you overcome?"

1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth
that Jesus is the Son of God?

and the more innumerable people that will not 'overcome' will be barbequed for all eternity by the PERFECT God that created them without their permission in the first place.how do you make sense of this things or does the word PERFECT mean something else to you?

JayFK:

If we are created in his image then it must be a very poor image brother, a horrible imitation, was that intended by the creator also, a flawed product or design? Because that's the only reason perfection can give rise to imperfection, if the flaws were intended

Well, at least it is clear to you now that God intended that we be tested and tried, refined as it were. We are created in His image but we fell, remember? When God created us, we were good, not flawed.

aManFromMars: All I see is God apologists. I never see God. Opening an NL account can't be that difficult.

You mean you were expecting to see God open a NL account to answer you? Remember, God is a Spirit.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Notice "MUST".

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Well, at least it is clear to you now that God intended that we be tested and tried, refined as it were. We are created in His image but we fell, remember? When God created us, we were good, not flawed.

But but, using your human manufacturing process analogy, if a product that was manufactured and after rigorous testing fails to be adequate, who's fault is that? and what does that say about the manufacturer? Conclusion: God is not perfect

rationalmind:

Adam committed a crime so did God. Infact, God committed the worst crime. That God punished adam n went scot free is a dent on his image.

Each time you say man punishes for crime always remb God will roast a man for eternity for lying

makes sense, doesn't it?

Good of you. Adam committed a crime, that is the point of the thread. There is punishment for committing crimes, get it.

I AM that I AM:

Lol, apologies Lord, didn't know u were here with us oh

david_hume:

You guys keep moving the goal post!
Here you say the creative process of man and God are the same because we're created in his image.
then later you'll say that God cannot be subjected to human ideas of morality when you guys are defending the genocide in the bible...smh

You seem to be the one moving the goal post here. You are trying to introduce another thing without settling the one on ground. That is why you have always ended up confused. Do not expect to do things the same way and expect a different result. One step at a time man, one step
AT
A
TIME.

Ranchhoddas: and the more innumerable people that will not 'overcome' will be barbequed for all eternity by the PERFECT God that created them without their permission in the first place.how do you make sense of this things or does the word PERFECT mean something else to you?

i'll come back to reply this post please. But meanwhile, kindly give me a better idea of what should happen to does who do not overcome, thanks.

JayFK:

But but, using your human manufacturing process analogy, if a product that was manufactured and after rigorous testing fails to be adequate, who's fault is that? and what does that say about the manufacturer? Conclusion: God is not perfect

People are overcoming daily, what do you mean by failing to be adequate. Speak for yourself, there are others that are doing what it takes to be adequate. The below is what it takes.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

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People are overcoming daily, what do you mean by failing to be adequate. Speak for yourself, there are others that are doing what it takes to be adequate. The below is what it takes.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

First of all, This in reference to Adam and his 'seed' us, secondly what is your definition of over coming? Today Friday 22 November, can you image say honestly that you haven't sinned today, or that you are perfect? it is in human nature to sin, can we also say therefore that it is also in Gods nature to sin? where did we inherit this from? This is just like saying a manufactured product after being tested, failed and then that same product was used as prototype for future generations of product I.e. Adam.........us, If saclux paints produced white paint, and after being tested u used it in ur hou.se and it came out yellow, will u call saclux paint perfect?

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You seem to be the one moving the goal post here. You are trying to introduce another thing without settling the one on ground. That is why you have always ended up confused. Do not expect to do things the same way and expect a different result. One step at a time man, one step
AT
A
TIME.

We've settled it already!
GOD IS NOT PERFECT!!!

Good day sir.

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i'll come back to reply this post please. But meanwhile, kindly give me a better idea of what should happen to does who do not overcome, thanks.

i take no pleasure in punishing or seeing anybody punished for not adhering to an imported religion.i am looking forward to ur response sir

JayFK:

First of all, This in reference to Adam and his 'seed' us, secondly what is your definition of over coming? Today Friday 22 November, can you image say honestly that you haven't sinned today, or that you are perfect? it is in human nature to sin, can we also say therefore that it is also in Gods nature to sin? where did we inherit this from? This is just like saying a manufactured product after being tested, failed and then that same product was used as prototype for future generations of product I.e. Adam.........us, If saclux paints produced white paint, and after being tested u used it in ur hou.se and it came out yellow, will u call saclux paint perfect?

It's not really about what i my definition but God's definition of overcoming which is found all over scriptures. But to be quite direct and simple, it is stated here again.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Overcoming is simply believing in God or Jesus. Faith in God is overcoming. When one lives a life of faith in God, he overcomes. This is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith.
What is the work of God, it is simply having faith in Him. This is what Jesus said. One needs to start from this simple step to overcome. You need to get on the train to be transported.
Joh 6:28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Joh 6:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he has sent. This is how to live the overcoming life. So simple and accessible. i can say today that i have lived in good conscience before God and men. It is faith in God that helps anyone achieve this. There is a seed and power given to anyone that believes in God.
i thank God that you realise that in human nature to sin. That's great and honest admission. It's sometimes hard to show some people that there is this sin nature in man(what we call the adamic nature). This nature did not come from God. Its like when you have a child or a wife, and it is discovered that this child or wife is in your image, as it were. Having your mannerisms, your look, your hair color, nose etc. They say the boy is a carbon copy or image of his dad. Meanwhile, the boy can also learn things and ways from outside. He may look like the dad but not practice the dad's religion. He may talk and jest like the dad but never drink, smoke or womanise like the dad. And on and on. In the same vein, in some ways, we are still in the image of God, but in moral nature, we have fallen short of God's glory. When God created man, God created him good. But when he fell, there was not found any good but God.
Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Rom 3:12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

david_hume:

We've settled it already!
GOD IS NOT PERFECT!!!

Good day sir.

i recall i was talking with jayfk when you barged in with talks about goal posts. i have no idea of where and when you settled anything. You should not unreasonably settle anything and ask others to reason. You also ought to reason. Confessing severally that God is not perfect does not make Him imperfect.

Ranchhoddas: i take no pleasure in punishing or seeing anybody punished for not adhering to an imported religion.i am looking forward to ur response sir

That's a godly stance if i may say. God takes no pleasure in punishing or seeing anybody punished too.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance .

Ranchhoddas: and the more innumerable people that will not 'overcome' will be barbequed for all eternity by the PERFECT God that created them without their permission in the first place.how do you make sense of this things or does the word PERFECT mean something else to you?

Now, whilst God has no delight in punishing anyone, He would not force anybody to live in Heaven with Him forever and ever, or without their permission like you said. Anyone who does not overcome is not fit for the kingdom of God. Its so simple. Even companies here on earth have standards. You would not because there is so much unemployment in the country then employ people that are unemployable. There has to be a standard. Manufacturers have standard goods, goods that do not meet the standard are dumped, waste, or thrashed. It is only in a corrupt and loose society that substandard goods will find their way into the market. how would you feel if a substandard good was sold to you by a reputable company?
How do you react to spoilt food, expired goods or dead animals? You separate them from the good. You don't say i bought this beans with my last kobo, therefore i will eat spoiled beans.
Any teacher striving for excellence would separate the brilliant from the unserious and the failure. Its called separating the wheat from the chaff.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor. Everyone of us, like Adam, have our chances and free will, as it were, to be a vessel unto honour or a useless vessel.

Deep Sight:

Good work. . . . but you are wasting your time with this man.

I can only imagine the task at hand gives you sleepless nights. You want to prove your square circle on a 2 d platform exists outside your head. And for backup you have the likes of.... Josh and this harbinger of genius

I ought to tell you to save what little self respect you have left. Perhaps. It might help you sleep better for instance. But i'm rather enjoying this.

Please carry on

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That's a godly stance if i may say. God takes no pleasure in punishing or seeing anybody punished too.
Eze 18:23 Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?
Eze 18:32 For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the Lord GOD: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance .




Now, whilst God has no delight in punishing anyone, He would not force anybody to live in Heaven with Him forever and ever, or without their permission like you said. Anyone who does not overcome is not fit for the kingdom of God. Its so simple. Even companies here on earth have standards. You would not because there is so much unemployment in the country then employ people that are unemployable. There has to be a standard. Manufacturers have standard goods, goods that do not meet the standard are dumped, waste, or thrashed. It is only in a corrupt and loose society that substandard goods will find their way into the market. how would you feel if a substandard good was sold to you by a reputable company?
How do you react to spoilt food, expired goods or dead animals? You separate them from the good. You don't say i bought this beans with my last kobo, therefore i will eat spoiled beans.
Any teacher striving for excellence would separate the brilliant from the unserious and the failure. Its called separating the wheat from the chaff.
2Ti 2:20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honor, and some to dishonor.
2Ti 2:21 If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work.
If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honor. Everyone of us, like Adam, have our chances and free will, as it were, to be a vessel unto honour or a useless vessel.

stylishly avoiding the important things.He will not force you to live with him but He will burn you for eternity if you don't worship Him regardless of how good you lived your life.this is appeal to force(argumentum ad baculum)and also you did not explain how a PERFECT manufacturer manages to manufacture imperfect goods(i really want to hear ur explaination)

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Good you said religion, not godliness or righteousness. Righteousness continues to exalt a nation till tomorrow. However, you also have no right to look at others askance because they do not share your belief or viewpoint. Practice your demand too.
For your wishes, keep them to your self and in your fantasy world, or better still throw them away and embrace righteousness and wisdom.

@bold, lol. just lol.

@green, evidence pls. we don't do lame assertions here.

@blue, do you know me in real life?

i just took pains to reply you. you really didn't make any sense.

Ranchhoddas: stylishly avoiding the important things.He will not force you to live with him but He will burn you for eternity if you don't worship Him regardless of how good you lived your life.this is appeal to force(argumentum ad baculum)and also you did not explain how a PERFECT manufacturer manages to manufacture imperfect goods(i really want to hear ur explaination)

What are the important things, pessimism? Once man is created or born, he lives forever in a sense. There are only two destinations, heaven and hell. Heaven is for overcomers, for those that are refined by the tests. The qualifcations for overcoming are glaring, plain and accessible. It is faith in God. What do you do with what you do not need? What do you do with corrupt files on your computer?
i've seen a brilliant inventor invent unbrilliant things. They say genius is 99% perspiration. Thomas Edison managed to make many useless things befre he got it right. Today's dullards can carry out greater calculations than geniuses like Einstein and Newton could. How manage? These things do manage to happen. However, God the perfect One never made man imperfect. Man was created good. He became imperfect in the event popularly known as the fall.

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What are the important things, pessimism? Once man is created or born, he lives forever in a sense. There are only two destinations, heaven and hell. Heaven is for overcomers, for those that are refined by the tests. The qualifcations for overcoming are glaring, plain and accessible. It is faith in God. What do you do with what you do not need? What do you do with corrupt files on your computer?
i've seen a brilliant inventor invent unbrilliant things. They say genius is 99% perspiration. Thomas Edison managed to make many useless things befre he got it right. Today's dullards can carry out greater calculations than geniuses like Einstein and Newton could. How manage? These things do manage to happen. However, God the perfect One never made man imperfect. Man was created good. He became imperfect in the event popularly known as the fall.

can the first bold be applied to God? if not pls stop bringing it up, it makes me think of ur God as just a human.

second bold sounds more like a joke... u are just trying too hard to defend what is obvious to you. what fall? a perfect God created a perfect (you chose to use the word 'good' for reason best known to two of us) being, and his perfect creation FALLS and it is the creations fault. pls this is religious section and not joke section.

if i go back to the first bold... who do u actually blame when intelligent inventors invent unbrilliant things?

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What are the important things, pessimism? Once man is created or born, he lives forever in a sense. There are only two destinations, heaven and hell. Heaven is for overcomers, for those that are refined by the tests. The qualifcations for overcoming are glaring, plain and accessible. It is faith in God. What do you do with what you do not need? What do you do with corrupt files on your computer?
i've seen a brilliant inventor invent unbrilliant things. They say genius is 99% perspiration. Thomas Edison managed to make many useless things befre he got it right. Today's dullards can carry out greater calculations than geniuses like Einstein and Newton could. How manage? These things do manage to happen. However, God the perfect One never made man imperfect. Man was created good. He became imperfect in the event popularly known as the fall.

You too, is Yahweh subject to reason please?