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I need explanation pls!

So much confusion in Christianity.

Jesus is god

If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 12:29 did Jesus say, "Here, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord." The words "our God" indicate that Jesus had a higher God over him, a stronger God than him. Jesus didn't say "Your God". He said "our God" which includes Jesus as the creation of GOD

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 20:17 did Jesus say, "I ascend to my God and your God? This tells us that we and Jesus have a common GOD.

 If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 14:28 did Jesus say, "My Father (GOD) is greater than I"?

 If Jesus was GOD, then why in Matthew 26:39 did Jesus fall on his face and prayed to his GOD?

If Jesus was GOD, then why in John 5:32 did Jesus tell his followers that they have never seen GOD at anytime nor ever heard his voice?

Christians study your bible and discover the truth.

If you still prefer Christianity afterwards because of singing and dancing,liberty to dress anyhow,eat anything and drink alcohol,it's your choice but if you desire salvation to make heaven,please choose Islam.

mumu read john 1 vs 1 downward . no arguement with u

Jude 1:10-11
Living Bible (TLB)
10 But these men mock and curse at anything they do not understand, and like animals, they do whatever they feel like, thereby ruining their souls.
11 Woe upon them! For they follow the example of Cain who killed his brother; and like Balaam, they will do anything for money; and like Korah, they have disobeyed God and will die under his curse.

"Satan, the god of all dissension, stirreth up daily new sects, and last of all, which of all other I should never have forseen or once suspected, he has raised up a sect such as teach… that men should not be terrified by the Law, but gently exhorted by the preaching of the grace of Christ." - Martin Luther

To be deep in history is to seize to be a protestant - Card john henry neuman

There are not more than 100 people in the world who truly hate the Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they perceive to be the Catholic Church.  ....As a matter of fact, if we Catholics believed all of the untruths and lies which were said against the Church, we probably would hate the Church a thousand times more than they do - Arch. Fulton sheen

nice one. great priest

The problem today in the world was/is caused from either ethnic or religious belief.
We were all born into this world without any knowledge of the Bible or anything.....assuming we were born n taught to kill, we would hv believed it also. I dont see any reason arguing abt wot we know little or nothing about. We were all told bible was written thru divine inspiration.....but people tends to interpret thru divine carnality. I pray our instinct will guide us alryt.
No need to critize any denomition. Even he Chris knew nothing abt wot he was saying ''just looking for daily bread''. We are all dancing to d drum of wot to eat and how to survive......including making heaven due to wot we were born into.
May d mercy of d Lord be sufficient for us all.

If somebody do not say 'Hail Mary prayer,does it mean the person is not calling her blessed? Mary is blessed to be a vessel by which Jesus chose to come to the earth, but I don't need to pray to her to acknowledge this.
When you bow to an inanimate object, be it picture of your daddy, Mary or that of Jesus, you are worshiping that image. It is completely different from bowing to my earthly father when I see him physically. The Mantra that 'Catholic are honouring Mary and not worshiping' is just semantic. Is there anything Catholics do to Jesus or God the father that they don't do to Mary? If the honouring Mary is correct, then we are just honouring God and not worshipping him. Catholics pray to Mary as they pray to God. Bow to her as they bow to God, Ask her to help beg for the forgiveness of their sin as they as they ask Jesus in fact, they pray more to her than to God in many ways. Example, in the Rosary, they say the Lord prayer once for every 10 hail Mary. Talking about Praying to Mary, I will like to ask the Catholics if Mary is omnipresent? If not, how does she hear the prayer of the one praying to her in Umuahia and the one praying in a Village in Kaduna at the same time? A million Catholics could be praying to her at different location at thesame time, how does she hear them all?
1Cor 3: 10-15 that the Rev gentleman qouted: Vs 15 did not say the person passed through fire, NO, rather 'AS IF they pass through fire'. The Catholic doctrine of Purgatory refer to it as a place just like heaven or hell and Lots of Catholics are expected to spend some years there in a fire of purification before escaping to heaven. Alas, Jesus never preach that. Jesus only talk about two places: heaven or Hell, sheep or goat, wise virgins or foolish virgins, faithful servants or unfaithful ones etc (Mat 25). The I Cor is only talking about work not Salvation experience.
I Jn 5:15-17 does not in anyway justify purgatory. What we learnt from Bible is that Jesus washes away ALL sin. As many that comes to him he will not cast away. If you believe him, you become a child of God. Jn 1:12.
Concerning communion; which is what catholic service is centered on, the teaches is that the flower bread without yeast transform into body of Jesus and wine transform into his blood (the Catholics call this Transubstantiation). All the rituals do not have a bases in the bible. I Cor 11 talk about the sharing of the bread and talk about people waiting for each other before eating. If it involves this rituals as practice in the Catholic Church, they will really have waited because the 'priest' will have to perform the ritual first.
There are lots of Catholic doctrine that are not really founded in the bible. Apart from even their Marian doctrine, is it infallibility of Pope?
I read a post where somebody refer to Mary as the queen of heaven. The only queen of heaven mention in the bible is a demon and if the 'Mary' you Catholics pray to is the queen of heaven please, run with everything you have because, that will be worshiping Demon with your open eyes. (see Jer 44: 15-29) There is repercussion for such relationship with queen of heaven.
Let every christian study the word of God, because that is where you can examine everything and find the truth.

Jeel: What the priest wrote here is just to garner sentiments let him speak objectively and puncture the points Pst Chris raised

It takes the Spirit of God to see and discern the truth in this world of ours. What better and more enlightening answer to Mr Okotie's argument would U av preferred, my brother you've seen the truth n still haven't recognised it. Ask God and your eyez would be open, seek n U shall find, knock n ........U should know d rest.

Why is it that at the mention of Catholic beliefs there's always an uproar. Do we think God is interested in all these arguements or do we think he needs us to defend his course. People run away from holiness and righteousness to practising religion. I'm sure many will perish because of what they believe. Beware end is near! Matthew 24

Now dos that respond sound lyk it's coming from sum1 who's going to hell?

Obascoetubi: i dont like ctholic because they are ungodly, CATHOLIC CRY TO MARY THINKIN SHE IS HEARING THEIR VOICE, CATHOLIC DONT PREACH ABOUT SALVATION BUT AS FOR THEM IS TO PRAY SAY "HAIL MARY" ....IS MARY GREATER DAN JESUS? WHY THEY NEED MARY'S IMAGE IN THEIR CHURCH,CAR&HOUSE? CATHOLIC DONT NEED BIBLE ON SUNDAY, CATHOLIC USE ALCOHOL AS COMMINION SERVICE, I KNOW ABOUT CATHOLIC because MY FRIEND IS A CATHOLIC CHURCH WORKER

The Bulletin has the reading for the day in it so no need to start flipping through the pages of the Bible at mass propelling a congregational concentration, n check Revelation where it was stated that "the dragon waged a war against d woman n her offspring" She's our Mother!!! For the wine its what Jesus did @ d last supper, during communion d wine is so small its even mixed wit water!!
All Catholic teachings are aimed @ winning heaven, unlike your Pastors tracking tithe like all those Agbero 4 busstop.

the argument is like this

protestant : catholic, you worshipping Mary
Catholic : no ,We don't
protestant: I said you worshipping Mary
catholic : no I said We don't
protestant : I said you worshipping Mary
catholic : I said We don't . We worship God
Muslim : you Christians have three God .
Christian: no We don't ..... blah blah .
my question is you accuse someone of doing something and he swear he did not do that thing and you still insisting . take his words for it and let him be.

Abimbola.ile:
Hmm well i think because the catholic church is on the ground that Jesus said on this rock will i build my church doesn't mean Jesus categorically stated that he had created a church named catholic. The church is a body of Christ without a name.....all we now have are denominations. and as for all the saving from Muslim invaders God himself did that so no church should ascribe the glory...although God might have used them. Beware because they did not write the bible! don't be fooled. we can say compile....but they didn't write!

The compilation of the various writings of inspired men is what is now called the BIBLE(collection of books), its the greatest and most successful project in human existence, so show some respect!!!!!

May the act of public speaking forgive me cause I just av to say that Maximus85 na confirm Olodo!!!!!

Have read all wat pplhave been posting since d begining of chris okotie's post.but wat I want to say is most of wat ppl r saying is wrong.first wen peter was pope of the ancient church(catholic) he neva prayed through mary or anyone pls read ur bible folks.second d bible was not compiled by catholics (ancient church)because some ppl were followers of paul preached and odas wat peter said.but the bible was compiled by my a roma emperor who worshipped d sun god and accept wat d catholics believed that jesus is God (peter followers).he saw dt christianity was growing.the emperor was d one who cause all ds confusions cos d so called catholics then became politicians and corrupted christianity which led 2 d birth of pentecostals.my advice is we shud read our bibles well b4 posting tin.

ozoebuka1: when God asked his disciples during the last supper "to do this in memory of Him" I know that most of u will see it as if he's telling his disciples to keep worshipping bread in his remembrance.... and in the wilderness when snakes were killing the Israelis I can remember vividly that same God told mosses to mould a huge snake so that anyone that got bitten by the snake can look at the molded snake and be saved...am sure that most of us would still see it that the Israelis did worship idol during that time but that isn't true...... that u look up to heaven when praying doesn't mean that u worship the clouds... it only makes u to be more concentrated.... man gets distracted easily but by looking at something makes us more focused.... if u guys say that Catholics worship images it would be the same thing for pagan to say that Christians worship the holy Bible or that Muslims worship Qu'ran

U R Intelligent!!!!

fijiano202: Am sorry catholic priest Mary is not the God i serve mother.Even Jesus said me and my father are one that doesnt mean hes God hes just telling u hes the direct link,i dont know if the bible catholics use has the Lords Pray which clearly state ''Our Father thou at in Heaven'' is he talking to my father? NO,Is he talking abt himself?No.John 3:16 for God so love the world that he sent his only begotten Son... etc,that clearly states his son not himself ,Mary didnt give birth to God.Secondly anybody that eats out of the body of christ is saved,its not compulsory u eat it every day.Thirdly Worshipping Mary is like worshipping an Idol like sango and ogun cos its Clearly stated in my own and the same General Bible that NOBODY GOES TO THE FATHER EXCEPT THRU ME,thats means Jesus is the link/middleman between Human and God.Forthly Jesus and The 12 diciples/apostle didnt have a church or name any church the mother Church.To all my catholics brothers and sisters am sorry for bursting ur Speakers,The Truth must be Told

N when that couple needed wine they went to who, that went to Jesus who did the miracle through the power of God.
U now quoted one part of the Bible n left d rest, my guy U R so half baked (God don't like Ugly)

emmyoha87:

U R Intelligent!!!!

Who is intelligent abeg park well 2 of una.u guys don't know anything abt d bible.pls send me ur address i will pay jumia 2 send u a bible.which version u want

pembisco: Tnx padre. Sm of diz pentecostals tink they knw d bible modan we catholics jst because a pastor wl jst cm on sunday nd be quating d scriptures. Our Rev study d bible fo atleast 10yrs in d seminary, studyin theology nd ol dt in d original language d bible was writen unlike ur pastors dt jst do six mnts in bible scl nd d nxt tin is he opens church. Hypocrites. D trut is dt we dnt folo nd beg pple 2 worshp wit us so y ol diz criticism? Mind u d bible wch u claim to quote nd condem catholics has bn preservd fo years by d catholics nd if catholic wanted 2 manupulate it to favor her, it wl hv don so evn b4 ur generatn was born. Proudly catholic

live those people wey dey read keypoint physics(bible) instead of P.N okeke physics(bible)

y2kaustin: but why do we have TOO MANY IGBOS,as Catholics? also why do other ethnic groups hate igbos,so much.are igbos Israelite or Nigerians?.

. more dan 70% of christians in nigeria has root 4rm catholic & it is dey church dey european brought 2 eastern nigeria. igbo believe dere origin is 4rm israel

judeskyblaze:
Who is intelligent abeg park well 2 of una.u guys don't know anything abt d bible.pls send me ur address i will pay jumia 2 send u a bible.which version u want

My guy u dey Nigeria dey use Ogbono do skipping rope dey form Sabi,google the Miracles of the Eucharist n apparations of Our Blessed Virgin Mary make u sabi say her wonderful intercession is yielding fruits all over the World.
I dare U to seek her intercession for a difficulty in ur life like a play play somthng n see what happens!!!

judeskyblaze: Have read all wat pplhave been posting since d begining of chris okotie's post.but wat I want to say is most of wat ppl r saying is wrong.first wen peter was pope of the ancient church(catholic) he neva prayed through mary or anyone pls read ur bible folks.second d bible was not compiled by catholics (ancient church)because some ppl were followers of paul preached and odas wat peter said.but the bible was compiled by my a roma emperor who worshipped d sun god and accept wat d catholics believed that jesus is God (peter followers).he saw dt christianity was growing.the emperor was d one who cause all ds confusions cos d so called catholics then became politicians and corrupted christianity which led 2 d birth of pentecostals.my advice is we shud read our bibles well b4 posting tin.

The Emperor caused the confusion by compiling the Bible?
Catholic church corrupted Christianity?
The Emperor compiled it because he accepted wat d Catholics believed , so who come give am wetin to compile.
You say Catholics corrupted xtianity, how nah abi u read that one for Bible!!
N please ur Peter n Paul different followers na dust abeg, Paul had more insight but he always taught in accordance with what the disciples of Jesus approved!!!

Geeoriginal: If somebody do not say 'Hail Mary prayer,does it mean the person is not calling her blessed? Mary is blessed to be a vessel by which Jesus chose to come to the earth, but I don't need to pray to her to acknowledge this.
When you bow to an inanimate object, be it picture of your daddy, Mary or that of Jesus, you are worshiping that image. It is completely different from bowing to my earthly father when I see him physically. The Mantra that 'Catholic are honouring Mary and not worshiping' is just semantic. Is there anything Catholics do to Jesus or God the father that they don't do to Mary? If the honouring Mary is correct, then we are just honouring God and not worshipping him. Catholics pray to Mary as they pray to God. Bow to her as they bow to God, Ask her to help beg for the forgiveness of their sin as they as they ask Jesus in fact, they pray more to her than to God in many ways. Example, in the Rosary, they say the Lord prayer once for every 10 hail Mary. Talking about Praying to Mary, I will like to ask the Catholics if Mary is omnipresent? If not, how does she hear the prayer of the one praying to her in Umuahia and the one praying in a Village in Kaduna at the same time? A million Catholics could be praying to her at different location at thesame time, how does she hear them all?
1Cor 3: 10-15 that the Rev gentleman qouted: Vs 15 did not say the person passed through fire, NO, rather 'AS IF they pass through fire'. The Catholic doctrine of Purgatory refer to it as a place just like heaven or hell and Lots of Catholics are expected to spend some years there in a fire of purification before escaping to heaven. Alas, Jesus never preach that. Jesus only talk about two places: heaven or Hell, sheep or goat, wise virgins or foolish virgins, faithful servants or unfaithful ones etc (Mat 25). The I Cor is only talking about work not Salvation experience.
I Jn 5:15-17 does not in anyway justify purgatory. What we learnt from Bible is that Jesus washes away ALL sin. As many that comes to him he will not cast away. If you believe him, you become a child of God. Jn 1:12.
Concerning communion; which is what catholic service is centered on, the teaches is that the flower bread without yeast transform into body of Jesus and wine transform into his blood (the Catholics call this Transubstantiation). All the rituals do not have a bases in the bible. I Cor 11 talk about the sharing of the bread and talk about people waiting for each other before eating. If it involves this rituals as practice in the Catholic Church, they will really have waited because the 'priest' will have to perform the ritual first.
There are lots of Catholic doctrine that are not really founded in the bible. Apart from even their Marian doctrine, is it infallibility of Pope?
I read a post where somebody refer to Mary as the queen of heaven. The only queen of heaven mention in the bible is a demon and if the 'Mary' you Catholics pray to is the queen of heaven please, run with everything you have because, that will be worshiping Demon with your open eyes. (see Jer 44: 15-29) There is repercussion for such relationship with queen of heaven.
Let every christian study the word of God, because that is where you can examine everything and find the truth.

that's all... i fink everyone should take time to read dis...

ON RECENT COMMENTS OF CHRIS OKOTIE
My attention has been drawn to recent comments by
Chris Okotie, a pop star, controversial pastor and
professional presidential candidate.
The Catholic Church may not wish to assist Okotie's
waning popularity by joining issues with him, but
some of us will.
The Catholic Church existed for over 400 years
before other churches started breaking out in
disobedience to God's command. Today, this spirit of
rebellion has taken over with churches breaking at
will, mostly due to financial disagreements. What
have the numerous churches in Nigeria contributed to
the salvific vision of the church? What have they done
differently? Except that the leaders acquire so much
wealth and property, fight over money, fight over
wives and fight themselves on the pages of
newspapers. Was that how Christ lived on earth? Are
we not Christ-like?
Coming back to Chris Okotie, he has officially married
three wives. Is that what the bible says we should
do? 'God' has asked him to contest for the position of
president in Nigeria twice and he lost woefully both
times. Was it God or selfish ambition? Apart from the
big grammar he 'blows' in his church, what effect has
his church in Lagos before we talk about outside
Lagos?
Those who are led by the Spirit of God know the truth
and that truth will set them free.
Roland Amedu

MAYOWAAK: "Strange, funny and sad watching all of you Nigerians arguing about the roots of religion brought to you by my profit lusting European fathers. Don’t you have more pressing issues in your country? The pastors and priests or what have you, have obviously turned you all to pawns, everyone of you defending where they came from, with quotations from books you believe to be written just for you. Open your eyes you guys, think for yourselves, religion hasn’t helped your country over the years, it has failed you more than you’ve gained it from it. It is your biggest problem, not even the corruption of your leaders…wake up Africa! Nigeria. My wife is Nigerian and I love her so well, that’s why I’m interested in Nigeria. I believe there are smart and great people in the country too, it is time you guys THOUGHT FOR YOURSELVES!!!"---Alex Roth on the controversy stirred by Pastor Chris Okotie on Catholicism

PS:Alex Roth is a Briton

Bro,if i read u well,u r talking abt politics,and religious curiculum i blv z diff 4rm dat of politics. U shld do a beta discusn n a political mata.

;DI'm so proud to be a catholic...what a straight,simple and well explained answer. God bless u more Sir.

emmy4life 02: . more dan 70% of christians in nigeria has root 4rm catholic & it is dey church dey european brought 2 eastern nigeria. igbo believe dere origin is 4rm israel

why answering such senseless question?

fhunmy: ;DI'm so proud to be a catholic...what a straight,simple and well explained answer. God bless u more Sir.

me too m proud, keep it up friends....

Jesus is Lord! Catholic 4 life!!!

emmyoha87:

My guy u dey Nigeria dey use Ogbono do skipping rope dey form Sabi,google the Miracles of the Eucharist n apparations of Our Blessed Virgin Mary make u sabi say her wonderful intercession is yielding fruits all over the World.
I dare U to seek her intercession for a difficulty in ur life like a play play somthng n see what happens!!!

. Pls read ur bible well and stop believing wat someone wrote for u to be carried away anything outside d bible is out worth it

emmyoha87:

The Emperor caused the confusion by compiling the Bible?
Catholic church corrupted Christianity?
The Emperor compiled it because he accepted wat d Catholics believed , so who come give am wetin to compile.
You say Catholics corrupted xtianity, how nah abi u read that one for Bible!!
N please ur Peter n Paul different followers na dust abeg, Paul had more insight but he always taught in accordance with what the disciples of Jesus approved!!!

like have said be4 study ur bible well and search on google ow d bible was compiled.most of d activities of catholic were d same with the sun God activities back then

Ur denomination does not give u a sure pass to heaven, be wise.......catholics, prostetants, traditonalist, muslims,buhdaism e.t.c take note and stop interpreting d BIBLE to suit u.it only takes d Grace of God and the Holy spirit to understand the Bible.most of us christians dnt understand it, we are so ignorant and we even act in our ignorance.what gives us d audacity to judge wat God hasnt judged or condemn wat God hasnt condemned? My brothers and sisters guard ur tongue wisely and jealously. May God in His infinite goodness forgive our shortcomings and bless us all, Amen. Peace

POPE II: there was a record of her dying right? Smh4u , Mary didn't. Die she is alive and ascended in the heaven. Mary is the queen of heaven, what's wrong with you and this blasphemous post?

yeeepa..ah don faint oh!!!!!!!!!!

juanmiguel: God the father, God the son, God the holy ghost come down. When the catholics say Mary is the mother of God, they mean God the son nt God the father. And God the son is Jesus Christ!!!!! Sooooo Mary is the mother of God the son who is Jesus Christ.

mtchew..nonesense..