olanrewajumi:
yeeepa..ah don faint oh!!!!!!!!!!

pope ii abeg go sleep and b4 u do can u explain 2 me why father dey join man and man 2geda in holy matrimony,dt one dey bible.why beer and alcholic wine dey barza 4 ur church?pls ans ooh

emmyoha87:

My guy u dey Nigeria dey use Ogbono do skipping rope dey form Sabi,google the Miracles of the Eucharist n apparations of Our Blessed Virgin Mary make u sabi say her wonderful intercession is yielding fruits all over the World.
I dare U to seek her intercession for a difficulty in ur life like a play play somthng n see what happens!!!

where all ds tinz mary dey do dey bible,if e no dey bible we no suppose practise am

Excellent delivery. Very well said. No insults, no personality attacks. I wish that the likes of Reuben Abati and attack dog Doyin Okupe will adopt the same template for their rebuttals. I usually get bored and furious when I read their responses to national issues. They lack decorum, finese, civility and all the good virtues of human relations and communication etiquette. They destroy rather than build goodwill for the President's image and end up acquiring more enemies/destroying the institution called government. Sure, they need a re-orientation.

judeskyblaze: like have said be4 study ur bible well and search on google ow d bible was compiled.most of d activities of catholic were d same with the sun God activities back then

See u dey talk of Bible, the knowledge of the Bible is just the beginning u hear, the revelation of the mysteries in the Bible is a whole new level of the knowledge of God, Monks are our scientists and monasteries are research centers of the Catholic church ,brother uncovering the mysteries is a life time job.
We and una no dey d same levelz.

judeskyblaze: like have said be4 study ur bible well and search on google ow d bible was compiled.most of d activities of catholic were d same with the sun God activities back then

Jesus said that an apostle of this present day is like the owner of a house who takes out of his store room the old and the new.
The Priestly blessing after our Masses is that which God gave Aaron to bless the people with after their religious gatherings in the wilderness (Numbers 6: 22-27).
Our holy communion is a practice since Melchizedek and Abraham when Abraham first did what we now call tithe, modified by Jesus Christ @ the last supper which was a celebration of the passover, so @ every mass when we receive communion its a re-liberation from the land of Egypt(evils of the present day).
We n una no dey the same levelz!!!

judeskyblaze: where all ds tinz mary dey do dey bible,if e no dey bible we no suppose practise am

My guy, the miracles dey happen 4 our lives today.
Everything Jesus did is not in the Bible,your life should be a bible for your future generation to see and be encouraged to be better Christians, even Jesus Christ said that if you carry your cross and follow him you would achieve greater things than he did(John 14:12)
Bro I still dare you to ask for her intercession(not pray like u do in the name of Jesus oOo) in a difficulty in your life and see what happens, like the wedding @ Canaan!!!!! @least that one dey Bible!!!

To Rev. Richard Omolade,

Well spoken! factual, mature, non judgemental and thought evoking.... as it should be.

pembisco: Tnx padre. Sm of diz pentecostals tink they knw d bible modan we catholics jst because a pastor wl jst cm on sunday nd be quating d scriptures. Our Rev study d bible fo atleast 10yrs in d seminary, studyin theology nd ol dt in d original language d bible was writen unlike ur pastors dt jst do six mnts in bible scl nd d nxt tin is he opens church. Hypocrites. D trut is dt we dnt folo nd beg pple 2 worshp wit us so y ol diz criticism? Mind u d bible wch u claim to quote nd condem catholics has bn preservd fo years by d catholics nd if catholic wanted 2 manupulate it to favor her, it wl hv don so evn b4 ur generatn was born. Proudly catholic

...please or I beg.... write good English and stop using shorthand Haha..!what is all this, are you writing a text message?

youngprofdguru: I have read with anguish your recent outburst against Catholics. I understand where you are coming from. Life is complex and when we meet with what we don’t understand, it is a lot easier to demonize it, castigate it and even reject it. I am sorry to tell you that none of these will make the Church go away.

Darkness can only be dispelled by light, hatred by love, falsehood by truth. Since it is obvious that your are still in the dark about Catholic doctrines and way of life, I am inviting you to our religious class and I hope in humility you will submit yourself to this process of education so that you will not continue to grope in the darkness of your ignorance.
In the past, the argument was that Catholics don’t read Bible, but that argument has fizzled away when Catholics themselves have risen to the occasion to show that having been instrumental in the collection of the books into the unit we now call Bible, having been blessed with veritable tradition of great men and women who have studied the bible down through the ages, Catholics are indeed well versed in the Bible and probably better grounded than many other people.

The Catholic Church is rooted in the bible so are her doctrines… Mary, that extraordinary creature of God is at the same time the mother of my God and hopefully yours as well. As one Saint puts it, “If Mary is not your mother, then the Devil must be your father”. Do you really count yourself among the generation of people that will call her blessed? (Luke 2 ) Can you be numbered among those who will be privileged to behold Mary as their mother? “Woman, behold your son, Son, behold your mother”

The accusations of Chris Okotie are spurious… “Catholics bow to idols! How many people in his own life has he bowed to? How many people bow to him? Is he worshiping them or do they worship him?

The most outrageous claim is his denial of Jesus in the Eucharist. Thank God he knows that Catholics believe and profess strongly their belief in Jesus in the Eucharist. That belief is not man-made; it is based on Christ’s teaching. For the avoidance of doubt, readers should read John 6 in its entirety. I will give a bit of summary here. “I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh for the life of the world.” Jn 6:51. Later Jesus went on to say that “In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” Jn 6:53 If Pastor Chris does not practice this veritable injunction of Christ, how can he say he is a true Christian? This doctrine and practice that is central to Catholicism has always been a hard teaching, even when Jesus said it, many could not accept it and left him. It seems Pastor Chris is one of those who could not accept the teaching of Jesus. Let him simply go out on his own without leading other astray.

It is therefore imperative for me to invite those who are currently denied the opportunity in their Churches to come to the Catholic Church and see how faithful the Church is to this great teaching of Christ. Christ meant it; the Catholics have celebrated it for more than 2000 years. There is no alternative to it. You are either for Christ or against it. Otherwise, if you deny the practice, then you make Christ a liar.

My dear Pastor Chris, Catholics are destined for heaven for it is their main goal in life…. To know God, to love God, to serve God in this life so as to be happy with him forever in heaven. However based on God’s words, we know some people need purification and trusting in God’s love and mercy, we know these people will not be rejected for all eternity. This is a truth based on God’s word. Please read 1 Cor 3:10-15

By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

The passage obviously talks about purification that Catholics refer to in the doctrine of purgatory. Even after death, the All-powerful God is still able to save some people. His ways are not our ways. So leave God to be God and do his work. Then in 1 John 5:15-17 we read that some sins do not lead to death and people with these will be saved… of course after purification by God himself.

To the general readers, especially those who attend Pastor Chris’s church read what scripture says “We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 1 John 5:9-10 do not just believe because Pastor Chris tells u so… search the Scripture and the truth will set you free. God bless you as you make your way back home…to mother Church, the Catholic Church.

https://www.facebook.com/richard.omolade/posts/10152051363131007

D author is introduced as a Rev.dat means he is a deacon yet 2 b a priest in d catholic church,yet he educates chris okotie(didn't mention pastor on purpose cos he corrupts d title) wit such finesse.shows how grounded catholics are in d scriptures n how retarded d likes of chris okotie are.

what is being expected of Christians is that they should reach out to all people; teaching them the truth of word of God and life it gives to those who believe. To all Christians Christ is the message and salvation is our hope for everlasting life. It is this Jesus want us to preach; not hatred, and not judging others for specks in their eyes while those who judge might have logs blinding their eyes. Jesus calls us to study, know and abide by his gospel in order to live properly as a child of God and stay worthy of His salvation. Jesus says John 4:14 But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

Learn his message - the true word of God. Preach and abide by the message. If you are mentally blessed and know much of the message, see it as blessing and not pride. Just like Jesus, be guided by humility and respect because you carry the fire. The fire is meant to consume the work of devil. It shouldn't spark unnecessary arguments. As regards the light in you Jesus warns Matthew 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Let them TALK..na dem sabi...Oria Santorium!! ROMAN CATHOLIC till death!!!

I Couldnt have written better. God bless you brother.

Well said Rev. God Bless u & God bless all true Christians.

It's unfortunate that Mr Okotie, like many other self-professed ministers of God are busy trying to convert converts, instead of expending efforts at converting millions who are yet to profess Christ. In case he doesnt know, they are aplenty in the northern part of this nation, and even in his village.

Leave catholics...on the last day we shall know those who are truly for God & are really God's.

Na wa o... Sumtimes we human like to confuse ourselves, why do people fail to undastand d fact dat it's nt the church we attend dat will take us to heaven, God doesnt luk at he churches we attend rather he luks at d pureness of d hrt. Why do we christains fail to understand dat God is everywhere as far as that place is holy. Even if am a catholic, i believe dat God is in d catholic church as well as other pentecostal churches. I stil find it amusin dat sum pple will condemn other pple churches, some pastors wil even punish their church members if dey dare attend other churches. I want to ask dis question to every christains: is christainity all abt d churches we attend? Sometimes i do envy the muslims wen it cums to being organized, they dnt hav anytin lyk pentecostal muslims or catholic muslim, they are one and nt divided lyk we christains. I dnt want u guys to be decieved dat God is only in ur church, if u lyk attend catholic God is with u, if u lyk attend deeper lyf eh God is still with u, if u lyk be a jehovah witness God is still with u or attend any other pentecostal churches God is still with you as long as ur hrt is clean and u obey God's laws, the only difference between all churches is just the tradition of the churches, just because ur church tradition is diffrent 4rm another person's church tradition doesnt mean God is nt with dem, we shuld all learn to embrace d fact that we are all children of God and we serve the same Almighty GOD #peace#

deniiQ: Well said Rev. God Bless u & God bless all true Christians.

It's unfortunate that Mr Okotie, like many other self-professed ministers of God are busy trying to convert converts, instead of expending efforts at converting millions who are yet to profess Christ. In case he doesnt know, they are aplenty in the northern part of this nation, and even in his village.

Leave catholics...on the last day we shall know those who are truly for God & are really God's.

God bless and bless and bless u again! you are a true christian and a true believer. why dissipate energy trying to convert xtians while non-xtians are everywhr?
Personally, i do not judge nor condemn people's blf and religion. we are rational beings dat should be able to decipher good from bad. ur religion does not show who you are, but how you practice ur religion stands you out. I have on several occasions seen Muslims whose character are worth emulating, whose love and respect for others cannot be questioned, and have seen xtians whose character negates the principles of xtianity. I blv God will judge not by our religion or denominatn but by our deeds.
I am a proud Roman Catholic.

mtcheeww stop this

y2kaustin: but why do we have TOO MANY IGBOS,as Catholics? also why do other ethnic groups hate igbos,so much.are igbos Israelite or Nigerians?.

I just knew imbecility would creep in.

Martin Luther deny a little interpretation of "this is my body" and he said "this is like my body" by all this protest we have clearly know the attitude of antichrist, all they do is to cause controversy between the children of God.

youngprofdguru: I have read with anguish your recent outburst against Catholics. I understand where you are coming from. Life is complex and when we meet with what we don’t understand, it is a lot easier to demonize it, castigate it and even reject it. I am sorry to tell you that none of these will make the Church go away.

Darkness can only be dispelled by light, hatred by love, falsehood by truth. Since it is obvious that your are still in the dark about Catholic doctrines and way of life, I am inviting you to our religious class and I hope in humility you will submit yourself to this process of education so that you will not continue to grope in the darkness of your ignorance.
In the past, the argument was that Catholics don’t read Bible, but that argument has fizzled away when Catholics themselves have risen to the occasion to show that having been instrumental in the collection of the books into the unit we now call Bible, having been blessed with veritable tradition of great men and women who have studied the bible down through the ages, Catholics are indeed well versed in the Bible and probably better grounded than many other people.

The Catholic Church is rooted in the bible so are her doctrines… Mary, that extraordinary creature of God is at the same time the mother of my God and hopefully yours as well. As one Saint puts it, “If Mary is not your mother, then the Devil must be your father”. Do you really count yourself among the generation of people that will call her blessed? (Luke 2 ) Can you be numbered among those who will be privileged to behold Mary as their mother? “Woman, behold your son, Son, behold your mother”

The accusations of Chris Okotie are spurious… “Catholics bow to idols! How many people in his own life has he bowed to? How many people bow to him? Is he worshiping them or do they worship him?

The most outrageous claim is his denial of Jesus in the Eucharist. Thank God he knows that Catholics believe and profess strongly their belief in Jesus in the Eucharist. That belief is not man-made; it is based on Christ’s teaching. For the avoidance of doubt, readers should read John 6 in its entirety. I will give a bit of summary here. “I am the living bread which has come down from heaven. Anyone who eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is my flesh for the life of the world.” Jn 6:51. Later Jesus went on to say that “In all truth I tell you, if you do not eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you.” Jn 6:53 If Pastor Chris does not practice this veritable injunction of Christ, how can he say he is a true Christian? This doctrine and practice that is central to Catholicism has always been a hard teaching, even when Jesus said it, many could not accept it and left him. It seems Pastor Chris is one of those who could not accept the teaching of Jesus. Let him simply go out on his own without leading other astray.

It is therefore imperative for me to invite those who are currently denied the opportunity in their Churches to come to the Catholic Church and see how faithful the Church is to this great teaching of Christ. Christ meant it; the Catholics have celebrated it for more than 2000 years. There is no alternative to it. You are either for Christ or against it. Otherwise, if you deny the practice, then you make Christ a liar.

My dear Pastor Chris, Catholics are destined for heaven for it is their main goal in life…. To know God, to love God, to serve God in this life so as to be happy with him forever in heaven. However based on God’s words, we know some people need purification and trusting in God’s love and mercy, we know these people will not be rejected for all eternity. This is a truth based on God’s word. Please read 1 Cor 3:10-15

By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

The passage obviously talks about purification that Catholics refer to in the doctrine of purgatory. Even after death, the All-powerful God is still able to save some people. His ways are not our ways. So leave God to be God and do his work. Then in 1 John 5:15-17 we read that some sins do not lead to death and people with these will be saved… of course after purification by God himself.

To the general readers, especially those who attend Pastor Chris’s church read what scripture says “We accept human testimony, but God’s testimony is greater because it is the testimony of God, which he has given about his Son. 10 Whoever believes in the Son of God accepts this testimony. Whoever does not believe God has made him out to be a liar, because they have not believed the testimony God has given about his Son. 1 John 5:9-10 do not just believe because Pastor Chris tells u so… search the Scripture and the truth will set you free. God bless you as you make your way back home…to mother Church, the Catholic Church.

https://www.facebook.com/richard.omolade/posts/10152051363131007

I remember during the passover meal wt his disciples;Jesus said 'do this in memory of me'......shows he sanctioned the eucharist....I'm not a catholic bt will be soon cause apart frm been d 1st church;they're well versed in d bible.......u can build ursef up wt d help of a church.....not been fanatics and allowing hatred/self-centred views consume u

barcaboi:
I remember during the passover meal wt his disciples;Jesus said 'do this in memory of me'......shows he sanctioned the eucharist....I'm not a catholic bt will be soon cause apart frm been d 1st church;they're well versed in d bible.......u can build ursef up wt d help of a church.....not been fanatics and allowing hatred/self-centred views consume u

you are welcome brother, Catholic is the right fit for anyone looking for spiritual stability or improvement. We don't deceive and are not after wealth or the money of our members.

Do you know some Catholic prayers?

WHERE AM I GOING?
HEAVEN OR HELL?
Lets check Bible Together
Are you in good terms with yourself, friends and families?

What about brothers and sisters of thesame blood that will never eat together or discuss as a result of dispute?

What do u do for your enemies when praying even when you are not aware that you are your own enemy?

Mathew 5:44
But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Matthew 22:36-40 New International Version (NIV)
36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’
[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.
39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’
[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

1 John 2:9
The one who says he is in the Light and yet hates his brother is in the darkness until now.

1 John 4:20
If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.

Challenge those that have offended you, make peace with them, give those that lack and never give-up in peace making.It is well with you as u take step to amend this. Do have a wonderful weekend.
Shalom!

a.alex:

D author is introduced as a Rev.dat means he is a deacon yet 2 b a priest in d catholic church,yet he educates chris okotie(didn't mention pastor on purpose cos he corrupts d title) wit such finesse.shows how grounded catholics are in d scriptures n how retarded d likes of chris okotie are.

he is a priest and he has been a priest for more than 10yrs nw so it was nairaland dt made a msitake. The ought to av written " Rev. Fr. Richard Omolade".

slyman-sun:
ideally, christianity is suppose 2 follow the standard laid by the early christians as written in the book of acts and the epistles. The basis of mary being a ''divine'' entity and ''praying 4 sinners'' cannot objectively and critically be established from the Bible. Mary was a mortal being; she died and there was no record of her ressurrecting and becoming divine. Thus telling mary to pray is tantamount to ancestral worship. If mary is the mother of God, who created Mary? And who is the father of God?

Mary is a mortal being yes!
Where in the bible was it written that she died?(Read revelations chapter 12 well and understand)
Catholics only acknoledge the fact that she was the only spotless and Godfearing woman God saw in the whole world to bear his son thru the conception of the holy spirit.
Jesus has the spirit of both man(mary) and God(the holy spirit)
So we can call her the mother of GoD

Are All Catholics Going to Hell?
I have often heard Christians of other denominations, including ministers of the gospel, some of who are very reverred in society, say that all Catholics are going to hell. At times, it's quite intriguing to discover that we often generalize matters either positively or negatively, without exception.

Many times, it occurs to me that there are many Catholics who are quite ignorant of the idolatory of the church. At the same time, there are others who know Catholic doctrines are not necessarily biblical in outlook, but still adamantly follow and justify the teachings and practices.

I recently sent a message to a group of nuns called, "The Daughters of St. Paul" for a clarification of their Catholic doctrines on the divinity of the Virgin Mary. I will want to share my communication with them directly.

I asked, "I am currently studying about the Marian cult in Catholic Church. I have been reading much on Mariology, especially as regards the position and role of the Virgin Mary in salvation and intercession for the world. I have read as much that many Mariologists state that Mary should be placed at par with God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost in the Trinity. Most of what I have read are often backed by biblical passages by the writers, yet still require more illumination for proper understanding.

"Could you please enlighten me on the Marian theology, please?"

They replied, "In regard to Mary it's important to refer to sources of official Catholic teaching on Mary, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Anyone who would put Mary on a par with the Trinity is actually not following Catholic teaching, for Mary is a creature, not God. But God has given her an important role to play.

"Since this is a large topic and much can be said, I could refer you to the Mary Page at the University of Dayton, which is a gold mine of information about Mary. It is all according to correct Catholic teaching. I hope this will help; when you go there click on the left where it says "About Mary."

God bless you".

They provided this link ( http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/ ).

I took time to read the doctrinal beliefs on the website I was directed to. Apart from the regular Catholic doctrines which are based on church traditions, there were hardly any false doctrines to point people directly to idolatory. In fact, it was specifically stated on the website that many of the doctrinal beliefs and practices are based on church tradition and could not be specifically substantiated by scriptural passages.

Then, I wrote back, "Thanks for your quick response. I really appreciate. I will not want to belabor the topic as I have seen from the references you asked me to check, that most of the dogma about the Virgin Mary are Catholic traditions and not fully Bible based."

From these submissions, I notice that not every Catholic worships Mary. In the same vein, not all Catholics practice the idolatory of bowing down to idols in church or worshipping at the Marian shrines. Even though, some may ignorantly believe and accept wrong doctrines, it may not necessarily translate into condemnation. Even those Pentecostals and other denominations that condemn all Catholics have vestiges of idolatory and extreme forms of wrong doctrines embedded into their beliefs and practices.

Often, some Christian denomination believe that they are the only ones who have experienced the Christian born again experience. On the website of Pauline Sisters, I read a testimony by a nun, Sister Jenny Lynn Pelzel, who described her salvation experience. She had earlier thought that being a Catholic church goer was enough for her to be a true Christian. At the age of 17, she had an encounter with Jesus that made her turn her life completely over to the Lord in an experience usually referred to by Pentecostals and Evangelicals as "born again". Anyone interested could read it at (  www.franciscansisterstor.org/about-us/meet-the-sisters/jenny-lynn-pelzel/ ).

Sometime ago, Pastor Chris Okotie of the Household of God's church was reported to have publicly declared, "All Catholics are going to hell", while preaching a Sunday sermon on his pulpit. However, given the nature of controversies in which the man is usually enmeshed, it came to me as no surprise to hear such statements uttered by him. But come to think of it, this same church from which the man of God condemned all Catholics to hell is well renowned as being filled with congregation who care less to demand accountability from their General Overseer over church and personal matters, but sheepishly follow their leader as if he were a god. What right have such people to condemn others? Unfortunately, this may seem as one of the notable examples, but I see the same thing in virtually all churches, with hardly any exceptions.

This should not come as a surprise too. Reading the first 3 chapters of the book of Revelation, we find analyses of doctrines and practices in the 7 prominent churches in Asia Minor during the time of John the Apostle. Out of the 7, only 3 came out fairly clean and the other 4 were condemned as congregations for outright ungodly beliefs and practices. But there were still individuals in the church congregations that received condemnations, who refused to be tainted with the false doctrines and practices, just as there were some in the churches that were not condemned, who would not be saved at the end because of their individual falsehoods. From this, I have learnt never to condemn any church people as a group or justify any other as a group. Christianity is entirely a matter of personal relationship with God.

The Bible is specific in stating that each individual is saved or condemned by his personal beliefs and actions, not by group beliefs and actions. So, while many people in the Catholic church may not be saved just as in all other churches, many also in the Catholic church would be saved just as in all others. It therefore, behooves on each individual to guard his or her heart jealously and diligently regarding the doctrines they believe and practice and not just follow the group sheepishly.

In the late 70s and very early 80s, there was a group in the Catholic church which was called "Catholic Charismatics". This group sought genuinely to change some of the beliefs and practices in the church at the time and also share Charismatic experiences of Pentecost. At the beginning, they made tremendous impacts until they were later rejected and expelled by the church authorities and replaced with leadership that believe strictly in regular Catholic church dogma.

The same goes for other groups like the Daughters of St. Paul, which I mentioned earlier. When I went through the resources posted by this group on their beliefs and practices, I found some wrong concepts common in Catholic dogma, yet I saw a group of women who really seem to crave to serve God sacrificially and faithfully. I will therefore not want to condemn such people who could even be truer worshippers in spirit and in truth than the Protestant groups that condemn all Catholics.

So, my conclusion is, "Not all Catholics are going to hell and not all Catholics are going to heaven". Similarly, "Not all Protestants will make heaven".

HolyHolla: Are All Catholics Going to Hell?
I have often heard Christians of other denominations, including ministers of the gospel, some of who are very reverred in society, say that all Catholics are going to hell. At times, it's quite intriguing to discover that we often generalize matters either positively or negatively, without exception.

Many times, it occurs to me that there are many Catholics who are quite ignorant of the idolatory of the church. At the same time, there are others who know Catholic doctrines are not necessarily biblical in outlook, but still adamantly follow and justify the teachings and practices.

I recently sent a message to a group of nuns called, "The Daughters of St. Paul" for a clarification of their Catholic doctrines on the divinity of the Virgin Mary. I will want to share my communication with them directly.

I asked, "I am currently studying about the Marian cult in Catholic Church. I have been reading much on Mariology, especially as regards the position and role of the Virgin Mary in salvation and intercession for the world. I have read as much that many Mariologists state that Mary should be placed at par with God the Father, Christ and the Holy Ghost in the Trinity. Most of what I have read are often backed by biblical passages by the writers, yet still require more illumination for proper understanding.

"Could you please enlighten me on the Marian theology, please?"

They replied, "In regard to Mary it's important to refer to sources of official Catholic teaching on Mary, such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Anyone who would put Mary on a par with the Trinity is actually not following Catholic teaching, for Mary is a creature, not God. But God has given her an important role to play.

"Since this is a large topic and much can be said, I could refer you to the Mary Page at the University of Dayton, which is a gold mine of information about Mary. It is all according to correct Catholic teaching. I hope this will help; when you go there click on the left where it says "About Mary."

God bless you".

They provided this link ( http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/ ).

I took time to read the doctrinal beliefs on the website I was directed to. Apart from the regular Catholic doctrines which are based on church traditions, there were hardly any false doctrines to point people directly to idolatory. In fact, it was specifically stated on the website that many of the doctrinal beliefs and practices are based on church tradition and could not be specifically substantiated by scriptural passages.

Then, I wrote back, "Thanks for your quick response. I really appreciate. I will not want to belabor the topic as I have seen from the references you asked me to check, that most of the dogma about the Virgin Mary are Catholic traditions and not fully Bible based."

From these submissions, I notice that not every Catholic worships Mary. In the same vein, not all Catholics practice the idolatory of bowing down to idols in church or worshipping at the Marian shrines. Even though, some may ignorantly believe and accept wrong doctrines, it may not necessarily translate into condemnation. Even those Pentecostals and other denominations that condemn all Catholics have vestiges of idolatory and extreme forms of wrong doctrines embedded into their beliefs and practices.

Often, some Christian denomination believe that they are the only ones who have experienced the Christian born again experience. On the website of Pauline Sisters, I read a testimony by a nun, Sister Jenny Lynn Pelzel, who described her salvation experience. She had earlier thought that being a Catholic church goer was enough for her to be a true Christian. At the age of 17, she had an encounter with Jesus that made her turn her life completely over to the Lord in an experience usually referred to by Pentecostals and Evangelicals as "born again". Anyone interested could read it at (  www.franciscansisterstor.org/about-us/meet-the-sisters/jenny-lynn-pelzel/ ).

Sometime ago, Pastor Chris Okotie of the Household of God's church was reported to have publicly declared, "All Catholics are going to hell", while preaching a Sunday sermon on his pulpit. However, given the nature of controversies in which the man is usually enmeshed, it came to me as no surprise to hear such statements uttered by him. But come to think of it, this same church from which the man of God condemned all Catholics to hell is well renowned as being filled with congregation who care less to demand accountability from their General Overseer over church and personal matters, but sheepishly follow their leader as if he were a god. What right have such people to condemn others? Unfortunately, this may seem as one of the notable examples, but I see the same thing in virtually all churches, with hardly any exceptions.

This should not come as a surprise too. Reading the first 3 chapters of the book of Revelation, we find analyses of doctrines and practices in the 7 prominent churches in Asia Minor during the time of John the Apostle. Out of the 7, only 3 came out fairly clean and the other 4 were condemned as congregations for outright ungodly beliefs and practices. But there were still individuals in the church congregations that received condemnations, who refused to be tainted with the false doctrines and practices, just as there were some in the churches that were not condemned, who would not be saved at the end because of their individual falsehoods. From this, I have learnt never to condemn any church people as a group or justify any other as a group. Christianity is entirely a matter of personal relationship with God.

The Bible is specific in stating that each individual is saved or condemned by his personal beliefs and actions, not by group beliefs and actions. So, while many people in the Catholic church may not be saved just as in all other churches, many also in the Catholic church would be saved just as in all others. It therefore, behooves on each individual to guard his or her heart jealously and diligently regarding the doctrines they believe and practice and not just follow the group sheepishly.

In the late 70s and very early 80s, there was a group in the Catholic church which was called "Catholic Charismatics". This group sought genuinely to change some of the beliefs and practices in the church at the time and also share Charismatic experiences of Pentecost. At the beginning, they made tremendous impacts until they were later rejected and expelled by the church authorities and replaced with leadership that believe strictly in regular Catholic church dogma.

The same goes for other groups like the Daughters of St. Paul, which I mentioned earlier. When I went through the resources posted by this group on their beliefs and practices, I found some wrong concepts common in Catholic dogma, yet I saw a group of women who really seem to crave to serve God sacrificially and faithfully. I will therefore not want to condemn such people who could even be truer worshippers in spirit and in truth than the Protestant groups that condemn all Catholics.

So, my conclusion is, "Not all Catholics are going to hell and not all Catholics are going to heaven". Similarly, "Not all Protestants will make heaven".

I love your write up because u are one of the few that could take time to do some reaserch to know about the catholic faith and from your write up I perfectly understand you. Am just like you any way but am a catholic but whatever I was taught in church I always take time to ask questions,research and do so many findings..one amazing thing I discorverd is that it is only the catholics that claims that Jesus himself sound the church,2) the bible was written by several authours under the inspiration of the holy spirit but where like anyother books till it was put together buy the church fathers,that's why we can't take away tradition from the church. The church understands the bible and it was until everyone started translating the bible that all these problem starts.
And pls no catholic worships mary we only honor her and ask for her intersection just like we ask pastors to pray for us

Eigege james: Martin Luther deny a little interpretation of "this is my body" and he said "this is like my body" by all this protest we have clearly know the attitude of antichrist, all they do is to cause controversy between the children of God.

Before the death of martin Luther he went he took seriously ill and went back to a priest(of the catholic church) and had he's last confession.
Keep follow what he said o.k...na u sabi he was also a preist b4 so he knows the truth

ehixking:

Before the death of martin Luther he went he took seriously ill and went back to a priest(of the catholic church) and had he's last confession.
Keep follow what he said o.k...na u sabi he was also a preist b4 so he knows the truth

I've heard people say he returned to the church and confessed but can you provide any documented proof to this?

ehixking:

I love your write up because u are one of the few that could take time to do some reaserch to know about the catholic faith and from your write up I perfectly understand you. Am just like you any way but am a catholic but whatever I was taught in church I always take time to ask questions,research and do so many findings..one amazing thing I discorverd is that it is only the catholics that claims that Jesus himself sound the church,2) the bible was written by several authours under the inspiration of the holy spirit but where like anyother books till it was put together buy the church fathers,that's why we can't take away tradition from the church. The church understands the bible and it was until everyone started translating the bible that all these problem starts.
And pls no catholic worships mary we only honor her and ask for her intersection just like we ask pastors to pray for us

I very much appreciate your comment, my dear Sire, particularly, you have not resorted to violent attacks just because your faith is being challenged by another. I thank God for Catholics like you as I see you are one of those Catholics who take time to study the Bible to know what to believe and what to doubt.

Indeed, you have proved one of my most vital points; that not all Catholics follow dogma unquestionably and not all believe in church tradition above biblical standards. Pentecostals most often group all Catholics as non-Bible reading idolaters, and that is why Pastor Chris Okotie made the grave mistake of condemning all Catholics, which is what I am trying to correct.

I will want you to go a bit further into researching the disputed dogmas and practices of the Catholic church which are purely tradition based. I love your submission on the need for Church tradition to be included in Christianity and your conclusion that Catholics do not worship Mary. But my fear is that while tradition may not be offensive to Christian doctrine, any tradition that has no roots in the Bible should be treated as suspect and any tradition that has origin in pagan practices should be viewed vicariously. Furthermore, any tradition that distracts attention from Christ to focus on any other personality is very dangerous and must be seen as false.

If you research, you will discover that some Mariologists have gone over the brink in veneration of Mary. I quote Wikipedia, "Mark Miravalle  was a professor of theology at  Franciscan University of Steubenville, specializing in  Mariology. He is president of  Vox Populi Mariae Mediatrici, (meaning, a voice to advocate popular support for Mary to be declared as co-mediatrix and co-redemptrix), a Catholic movement promoting the concepts of the  Blessed Virgin Mary  as  Mediatrix  and  Co-Redemptrix with Christ". Miravelle advocated for Mary to be declared as a part of the Trinity on same level with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You might say no Catholic worships Mary, but Mariologists and those who visit Marian shrines to worship do, and directly too. Do a research on the Franciscans and other Mariologists, including Prof Miravelle.

From my days in a Catholic High school, I have always been uncomfortable with the idea of bowing down to the figures and figurines of Mary, which many practice without really giving it a deep thought. If this does not translate into worship, then I should also have the privilege to bring back the images of Ogun, god of Iron, which my forefathers worshipped and bow to them and claim that I am not worshipping them, only adoring my ancestors. Every graven image are the same, even if they are images of the Divine Trinity, and bowing to them violates the 1st and 2nd Commandments.

Pope John Paul II attributed his salvation from the assassin's bullets to Mary. Is Christ not the only one capable of saving us according to the Bible? When alive, the late pope, as well as so many other Marian worshippers, supported the efforts to declare Mary as co-divinity.

Why Sire, may I ask, should you expect Mary to make intercessions for you when you can approach the Throne of Grace directly through the name of Christ and by only the blood of Christ that was shed? The Bible never taught that Mary's sacrifice of her Son for the world turns her into an object of divinity or reverence, neither did the early Church Fathers. Christ pointed the other way when an enquirer tried to venerate Mary in Luke 11 : 27-28, to explain that not only Mary is blessed, but everyone that hears and follows the will of God. This is what the Bible says, not me. Have you tried to truly research the origin of this concept of approaching Christ through Mary?

Anyway, I know these are questions will prod your mind and as you have written that you search before believing, I know that you will find out more about them to discover the truth before believing. Once again, I love bright minds like yours who refuse to allow dogma to override biblical truth. If you require, I could foward to you a short 40-page Word program extract of my thesis on these submissions that show the origins of some of these beliefs and practices, which may guide in furthering your research.

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goodbobo:
Let that Rev. explain to the world what the bible means in these commandment :

“You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them.


Catholics have statues of Mary , Jesus , Joseph and more they bow to .

Is that commandment not very straight forward enough . Or can there be any explanation that bowing down to this images in catholic church is not a big sin

I sincerely hope u r able 2 read ds cos my reply is 2 yrs later. U shld learn not 2 interpret scripture literally. Doing so is lyk collecting a gift in attractive wrapping paper & instead of unwrapping it 2 know its true content, u kip it unwrapped because u lyk D wrapping paper. Scripture verses shld not b studied in isolation. It should b studied wholesome so as to chck 4 contradictions. 4 example If 1 had 2 follow what u say strictly, what do you make of ds injunction by Christ "if ur ryt hand causes u 2 sin, cut it off". If practiced, Christianity wld av bcom anoda sharia lyk religion. It's obvious dt was a metaphoric xpresn. Was it not D same God dt commanded D Israelite 2 make D Ark of covenant (if u read D Bible, u wld c dt part of its design were images of cherubs & seraphim) as a symbol of His presence with them? Can u rmbr wen D Israelite offended God & he sent snakes 2 bite dem? Didn't he command Moses 2 a bronze serpent & any1 who looked @ it wld live? D main reason D church uses images is mostly as a reminder of the articles of our faith. Images are a more effective medium of expression than words. Hw does dt saying go?.. A picture is worth a thousand words. As for bowing 2 images, no priest has ever taught me 2 bow 2 1 so I don't. But even if, bowing 2 som1 doesn't always imply worship. Wen some pentecostal brethren bow 2 greet their GO/pastor, can you say they are worshipping him? It is a common practice among some members of MFM 2 go & pray b4 their church altar. so pls isn't dt similar 2 wt most pentecostal castigate abt Catholics? D problem most of u pentecostals is dt u demonize anything u r ignorant of instead of trying 2 understand b4 judging. So b4 u assign all Catholics 2 D confines of hell fire, grab a copy of D catechism of Catholic church, read it & understand b4 criticizing b4 u commit blasphemy.

judeskyblaze:
pope ii abeg go sleep and b4 u do can u explain 2 me why father dey join man and man 2geda in holy matrimony,dt one dey bible.why beer and alcholic wine dey barza 4 ur church?pls ans ooh

B careful of ur speech cos u wld b hld accountable 4 every word u utter. D Catholic church doesn't conduct guy marriages in fact it is one of D greatest opposers of gay unions. As 4 ur objections 2 consumption of alcohol, what was d 1st miracle of Jesus?.. Turning water in2 wine (& dnt try 2 say non alcohol wine... Those didn't exist then). What about during D last supper when He raised a chalice of wine saying "this is my blood... Do this in memory of me". Most pentecostal r confused people. If wine/alcohol was evil, why did Jesus drink it & use it as part of his ministry? Most pentecostals r nothing but modern day pharisees who as Jesus said "lay heavy loads on men & yet don't lift a finger 2 hlp". Let me nw educate u. Alcohol consumption isn't evil as long as it's done in moderation ie drunkenness is D sin just as eating food isn't sinful but gluttony is a sin. Hope this clears D scales of ignorance clouding ur vision.