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Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:13pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom: on the first point, i agree completely with you.anyone can head the hospital with a course in administration.i meant the doctors head the health team as regards management of patients.it must be respected otherwise i as a doctor can say a wound must be opened only after five days and a nurse who feels we are all equal would decide otherwise and say the wound should be opened after two weeks.as regards the second issue, who is a consultant? A consultant is the go- to guy or expert in a particular area.because of the different areas in medicine, it became imperative that doctors had to choose specific areas to specialise in post mbbs.after undergoing extra training in a particular field and passing the required exams, you become an expert or consultant in that field.people CONSULT you for help in that particular area.now bros please tell me what extra training nurses and other health workers have under gone in their profession to warrant being called consultants? Look this whole thing to them is a competition.its all about them trying to rub shoulders with the doctor.qed.dont be hoodwinked.and who says Pharmacist and others don't have specialties upon which they can become consultant? If u wanto knw alert me. 2 Likes |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:19pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom:and you forgot to read where it is written that the M.D is a senior degree to the MBBS? If I may ask, havn't u seen a Doctor with Ph. D? 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 5:24pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Samgreguc:get me right.i did not say that mbbs is a SUBSTITUTE for phD.No o! |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:26pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom: he has a basic medical degree but went ahead to do masters and a phD in another feild.stop looking for way where there is no way.it makes you come off as being grossly unintelligenthope u knw that in most of those countries where u mentioned, u r not given M. D with just ur basic medical degree, u gat more 4 years to spend and even more. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 5:28pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Samgreguc:mbbs is given by schools based on the british curiculum.M.D is american.they are the same thing.shikena. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 5:31pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Samgreguc:True! Thats what is done in the US.YOU do a four year course first like physiology or biochemist. then proceed to medicine.my brother is it not the same thing as direct entry in nigeria? At the end of the day MD is still the basic degree. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:37pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Phantom, I get where you are going but, u going the wrong way. Let me reload my data to make it lucid. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:40pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Now, you are trying to say an MBBS graduate can teach in the Uni? |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 5:42pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Samgreguc: Now, you are trying to say an MBBS graduate can teach in the Uni?NO! |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 5:51pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom: NO!then what are we saying? If you can't teach with the Mbbs, then it isn't equivalent to Msc. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 6:02pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Samgreguc:reference my earlier posts especially about the professor of surgery.my brother the arguement initially was that mbbs was equivalent to a PHd. To which you disagreed.i went ahead to post links showing that they are both doctorate level degrees.the latter is a research doctorate while the former is a professional doctorate. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Nobody: 6:11pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Wonder why its difficult for some people to learn. I think its general, they know it all, who are you to tutor them? Phantom, PhD is not a pre-requisite for professorship, do your research with open-mindedness. Also, only Medicine has sub speciality shey? Smh nonsenstical ego 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by phantom(m): 6:15pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
nouveaux: Wonder why its difficult for some people to learn. I think its general, they know it all, who are you to tutor them?my friend stop quoting me.how many professors on a scale of 1 to 100Percent got their professorship without a background of phd? Professorship can also be awarded 'honourary'.true or false? I hope you know its an ACADEMIC RANK? |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by yemmy75(m): 6:57pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
onomeasike: Unlike ASUU members who don't have their own private universities, the doctors have their own private hospitals that they will divert all their patients to and they start making money especially patients that can afford their private fees.Then when strike is called off, they claim to have been on strike!! They better stop deluding themselves by comparing themselves to Phd holders lecturers.There is difference between capital V and cowleg.Doctors, comparing themselves wit PhD holders?? Where did dat happen 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by tenny07(m): 7:29pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
May I pls ask, if State doctors will be affected to? |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by revolt(m): 7:31pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
hmnm look @ how some greedy docs are here defending the deaths that'll follow during their selfish strike. A Reverend father spends years in theology school, even gives up the right to produce children, the soldiers and police give their lives for peanuts, so talking about books and school fees is very lame. Medicine isn't for the fickle minded and dangote minded people. if you needed wealth so bad you should have chosen a different profession Speaking of equipment, have you bothered to ask how much is allocated to these general hospitals? Now how will going on strike affect the politicians? moreover the last time I checked, our doctors seem to be better paid than Indians, irrespective of the fact they are not happy about it, they simply don't shutdown the system, to press their demands, even irresponsible Nepa, when embarking on strikes, doesnt switch off. it's pretty silly that some avarice filled medical practitioners, are here defending the evils this strike will bring on us. So in a war situation or conflict situation, you docs will be asking for machines, which you played no part in it's invention. yes Wed really love our health sector upgraded to international standard, but as weve all seen, these politicians dont care, afterall they go abroad for their check ups. truth is most of you go into medicine Cos you believe it's got class and good remuneration. my mums is a doctor, I've noticed how she innately loves to help people, when doctors talk of strikes she openly castigates them as immoral and disgraceful, to the discipline. she thinks it's a generational problem. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by tuoyoojo(m): 8:05pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
@ revolt. Thank u sir for the points u raised. I was rather disappointed wen I came to the part wen u said u were not in a medical doctor. So it wud be right for me to infer u do not have a 1st hand experience of the points I wanted to bring up. Have u eva watched a child die because there was no oxygen to give Have u even done surgery with a touch light Have u even attended to a patient on d bare floor because beds were insufficient Have u have given your money to patients who couldn't feed let along buy drugs Do u have an idea wat it feels like to AMBU bag on a neonate non stop for 8hours Do u know the price doctors have to pay to assist a dying health system I believe u read the number of times d assoc met wit govt to beta the health sector n how dey were ignored. Sir with all due respect health and wellbeing is not cheap and I don't see why it shud be an issue wen we ask for beta renumeration and improved working conditions. If those people calling doctors greedy wud work in a typical general hospital for one week then u would change ur story If nothing is done patients would keep dying needlessly all in a name of we are trying to manage.I believe that this "let us manage it" mentality got us into the mess we are in now In the end, its the masses who would be beta for it. If strike is d only music the govt responses to, then by all means let's give it to them in full blast 7 Likes |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by boseko: 8:32pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
This is sad. Medicine is a noble profession and doctors used to be well respected. Yet, when doctors stand up to fight for themselves and the general public that needs their services they are being insulted. I hope one day all you ignorant people would not experience firsthand the effect often follies of the government and learn the hard way. It is really pitiable and pathetic. Striving to attain equal status as doctors?! Why not strive to be proficient in your field? Demand that the government fulfil its responsibility. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by revolt(m): 8:41pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
tuoyoojo: @ revolt. Thank u sir for the points u raised. I was rather disappointed wen I came to the part wen u said u were not in a medical doctor. So it wud be right for me to infer u do not have a 1st hand experience of the points I wanted to bring up. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by revolt(m): 8:52pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
hmnm based wa! let the masses die Cos doctors don't feel remunerated accordingly. let's use the scandal at Benin general hospital as a case study infact I'll leave y'all to go investigate what happened there. the funds no matter how minimal haven't been managed well, if your hospitals hve no beds and lights then blame the chief consultant 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by ceaser: 9:12pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
onomeasike: Unlike ASUU members who don't have their own private universities, the doctors have their own private hospitals that they will divert all their patients to and they start making money especially patients that can afford their private fees.Then when strike is called off, they claim to have been on strike!! They better stop deluding themselves by comparing themselves to Phd holders lecturers.There is difference between capital V and cowleg. onomeasike: Other healthcare professionals are waiting and watching to see what government will give the doctors and they will demand their own or proceed on strike to press for equal welfare treatment. The healthcare is not like university where the dominant and most influential group are the lecturers.it is a team of professionals. Gej government is in trouble unless he reverts to the era when hospital administration is in the hands of neutral professional hospital administrators No one stops you from owning your own private laboratory outside. And why d'you sound like you have some deep seated issues or scores to settle with them? So now ALL doctors, including the physicians-in-training, in the country own private clinics outside, abi? Then I bet every kilometers in the country has a Private clinic ba. You're simply blinded by sentiments and deep seated blind bias which easily give you away as one of the usual trouble makers in these hospitals. Don't worry, I sincerely hope your requests will be granted. The hospitals will be handed to professional administrators and then you can start having ward rounds too and people'll see how much you'll fair. revolt: truth be told, these ASUU nma etc are greedy people. So now that they prefer to have their children and the future generation enjoy a better standard of education than they had (which your politicians seek for their wards abroad) by resorting to the one language the government understands, they've erred. Why not try to blame the government that has promoted a state of progressive infrastructural decay in the education and health sector, the reasons for which these strikes are incessant in the first place. revolt: now these doctors have private hospitals, (which is the sole reason our medical sector is camatose), they'd prefer to nurture these capitalist ventures to the detriment of the govt hospitals. Is that a joke? Adducing patronage of private (better than government standards) health facilities as responsible for the rot in the health sector? Perhaps you'll ask yourself why Jonathan prefers to tour Germany for medical treatment instead of using the Aso rock clinic or one of the many Nigeria teaching hospitals. While you do that, ask yourself how Mandela was able to get a state-of-the-art medical treatment INSIDE South Africa. revolt: I've read somewhere that not everybody with good grades in US , can study medicine, Cos they go through a series of psychological tests, to know if they're psychological built for medical profession. medicine isn't capitalism or profit making, it's philanthropy. irrespective of the fact that renumeration could Foster motivation, this discipline isn't a profit venture, same with education. Well, it's one thing to read and it's another to read, comprehend and intelligibly rationalise the content. revolt: it's immoral and irresponsible for doctors to say they're not working Cos they want a raise. so let the people die. But it's moral for your lawmakers to arbitrarily appropriate for themselves millions as increments for work not done. Meanwhile, these increments have NEVER been subjected to debate as ASUU's demand was. revolt: I've come to realise why the blackman never invents or improves on anything, his values are warped. Believe me, you're a perfect example of the above by your admonishing mediocrity in governance above perfection in societal values and living standards. revolt: These doctors even with their good paypackages hardly research or improve in medical practices, D'you know what a health research grant is? The governments of those advanced countries encourage such and it's usually a collaboration between university colleges and teaching hospitals. In simple terms, University (sound Education sector) working with College hospitals (sound Health sector), not forgetting motivation (non-starving, non-hungry staffers) can bring that about. Man, be smart! Ask yourself,is your government committed to that? revolt: (if not explain to me why people travel to poor India to get better services @ far Cheaper rates). All they want is money, money By now you should be able to answer correctly the question of why they travel to India (don't forget Germany too o). And did you say "at cheaper rates"? So whose mind is warped now, eh? That's a most ignorant, not well thought out statement ever. revolt: Beastly human beings I hear you. eaglechild: He's obviously driven by blind bias. I guess when "they" start becoming "consultants", theirs would be equivalent to phd. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by tuoyoojo(m): 9:31pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
@ revolt. Sir I have worked in a couple of places mostly in the north and western part of the country and my experience there informed my opnion.granted one bad egg decided to mismanage funds in benin, does that automatically mean all d medical directors are not prudent when it comes to managing scarce resources. Your inference would tantamount to giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it. I hav seen this rot in most of the hospitals I have worked and I make bold to say we are tired of managing. Give us want we want and if after a couple of years u don't see any visible changes in d health sector then u could go to town castigating us Does it make sense for a govt to promise to do something and blatantly renege on its promises It is an offense to seek to do the right thing. When would this country stop "managing" and act like the gaint we claim to be By the way,are we only asking for increase in salary? Are we not asking for improved conditions also. If you go to a hospital and things are not working properly, wud u not shout to high heavens blaming the doctors. It never ceases to amaze me why people hate doctors. We tie people leg mak dem nor go read "meresine" 2 Likes |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Consigliere(m): 9:37pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom: you must be stoned! Do you know what an mri machine is?do you know what a ct scan machine is? Do you know what a defibrillator is? Please go round the nation and find out how many of these machines are in government hospitals.i work with radiation in my department.do you know how much my hazard allowance is? 5000 naira.no jokes and it is the same for other doctors including those who handle hiv/hepatitis infected blood in the labs.bros what manner of wickedness is that? Am i not a human being like you? Wont my kids go to school? Wont i and my family eat? Do i send my kids to substandard schools because i am a Doctor?If i didnt go to school at all and earning what i am earning i wouldnt mind.but i went to school to get a highly specialist training and are you are asking me to be charitable.do you know that health care is expensive anywhere in the world and serious governments fund it? What was the issue that led to the recent us govt shutdown? I dont have a private clinic and there are many like me so what is this issue about private clinics? My brother please dont talk about what you dont know.Seriously Alot of Nigerians dont have any idea what doctors are going through,the state of government hospitals in the country is pathetic!! |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Samgreguc(m): 10:07pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
phantom: reference my earlier posts especially about the professor of surgery.my brother the arguement initially was that mbbs was equivalent to a PHd. To which you disagreed.i went ahead to post links showing that they are both doctorate level degrees.the latter is a research doctorate while the former is a professional doctorate.I decided to use Msc. Cos if it isn't equal to it, it can't be equal to Ph. D |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Nobody: 10:19pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
MBBS has always been equivalant to PHD. That's why MBBS start from level 12 in civil service. Before throwing insults read about university degrees in wikipaedia its clearly stated there, @ least for knowledge sake. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Nobody: 10:56pm On Dec 16, 2013 |
Okay, as long as the nurses don't go on strike, i won't miss them . I've never missed their presence (Doctors) when they are on their various yeye strikes anyway. Bye fkaz:sorry o....but was there a time in Nigeria where Nigerians claim they have good leaders? That aside, those who graduated 2008 are lecturers in universities. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by revolt(m): 1:41am On Dec 17, 2013 |
these unnecessary verbiage and verbosity by some docs, in defense of the strike is quite absurd. I never supported the insensitive politicians, neither did my discourse pitch me against doctors based on justification and progress. We all agree the systems warped and the leadership is a colossal failure, that being said, what's the solutions? let's analyse this briefly, The sole aim of strikes is to paralyse the government while pressing for demands. pls NOTE PARALYSE the govt. this idealically shouldn't harm any human or pose threat directly to human life. Now when the custodians of health care, decide to shutdown the whole system not minding, women in labour, minor emergency situations, etc it's highly unhumane and immoral. There should be other ways to press your demands aside folding your hands and compelling other humane doctors not to continue their work against their will. it portends serious danger when the custodians of health are not moved when matters of life and death are involved. Truth is most doctors don't even know they're obliged to serve, They deserve better but for now we've seen our leaders do not care afterall they're not affected. yes medical services in india is cheaper. I've gone for laser surgery , and was charged about 28K, ,as compared to the price I was given here at 370k. beat that. Finally I'm not taking sides with those goats up there but doctors must realise health sector isn't same as financial sector or petroleum. if you don't feel happy with terms and working conditions, then step aside, let those that can just for the sake of the helpless, save some more lives. doctor need to be more onerous in their profession. imagine the military, police (they face robbers with little or no arms) or phcn worker shutting down the system, imagine the implication. forget these equivocal arguments put up by most of you, all you guys want is a raise. no need to sugarcoat your arguments. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by eaglechild: 6:37am On Dec 17, 2013 |
phantom: my teaching hospital has only ONE functional ultraround machine as i type this.i use that machine and scan up to 60 people everyday.we even have to turn back some people because if i have to use that machine to scan everyone that comes, i would be there till 11 at night.one machine! The mri machine in the same hospital is 0.2 tesla (this value indicates the strenght of the magnet in it and the quality of images you get).abroad they use more than 7 tesla machines.see the difference! How much is an mri machine? About 300million naira.what is this amount to the nigerian govt.cant they afford to put at least two of such machines in EACH teaching hospital? Yet nigerians sit in their houses and wonder why people fly to india.My fellow Radiologist in the house, I hail |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by eaglechild: 6:48am On Dec 17, 2013 |
phantom:Thank you, did not have the chance to reply those comments, was way too busy scanning. |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Nobody: 7:07am On Dec 17, 2013 |
People hate doctors and still need them. Funny, right? Even other health workers still make of doctors when ill. Is that not hypocrisy? Why i am not interested in the strike, people should reason with doctors.i beg. tuoyoojo: @ revolt. Sir I have worked in a couple of places mostly in the north and western part of the country and my experience there informed my opnion.granted one bad egg decided to mismanage funds in benin, does that automatically mean all d medical directors are not prudent when it comes to managing scarce resources. Your inference would tantamount to giving a dog a bad name in order to kill it. I hav seen this rot in most of the hospitals I have worked and I make bold to say we are tired of managing. 1 Like |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by NaMe4: 7:08am On Dec 17, 2013 |
revolt: hmnm based wa! let the masses die Cos doctors don't feel remunerated accordingly. let's use the scandal at Benin general hospital as a case study infact I'll leave y'all to go investigate what happened there. the funds no matter how minimal haven't been managed well, if your hospitals hve no beds and lights then blame the chief consultantHe he he |
Re: Medical Doctors Begin Nationwide Strike Wednesday by Nobody: 7:16am On Dec 17, 2013 |
There is diff betwen academic degree and professional degree. Mbbs(With evidence of master registration) is lecturer II for basic medical courses. To teach clinical and basic clinical courses then u need to be a fellow. Having Phd is an added advantage and it is best for academic physcians to improve research skills. Samgreguc: |
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