Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by docadams: 10:57am On Jul 17, 2014 |
idu1: Dont tell me what i know before......... If they can work in the lab or nurse a patient so a nurse or lab person can sit in a seat and be writing pcmcia and anti malarias.......... Is like u dont know some fast nurses can perform surgery but is nt their work. Lazy nigerian doctors Some nurses can perform surgeries? Do you know what you are saying at all? 3 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drchingy: 11:01am On Jul 17, 2014 |
aikeron:
Ain't u just a pathetic sadist? To think that of all the points I made, u could choose to have a problem with my JAMB score shows how daft you are. I come from a family where everyone has striking brilliance upstairs. Maybe if I told u I also graduated top of my class as a pharmacist, u would say the university or my faculty also "aided" me. Anyway, I am not here to brag about my academic achievements , you don't know me neither do I know u...Although if I were to guess who u are, I would say u are just some scumbag whose mindset has been infected with the typical Nigerian notion that one cannot achieve a feat in life without being "aided". How sad!!! I will advise we address the issues at hand boldly with facts in reality and no sentiments. So if u don't mind u can kindly go back to the points I raised and attack them one by one. That's an assignment, please run along. People can lie ooo. 1st in class ke drop out ni.. Which school dash u 1st in class. D real brilliant pharmacists are into research and manufacturing in big pharmaceuticals n are even better off than most drs. Meanwhile mr 1st in class here is content with being a common drug dispenser and even struggling to be consultant drug dispenser. . Smh for u 5 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 11:04am On Jul 17, 2014 |
pendusky: I swear by Apollo, the healer, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath and agreement: To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art ; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art; and that by my teaching, I will impart a knowledge of this art to my own sons, and to my teacher's sons, and to disciples bound by an indenture and oath according to the medical laws, and no others. I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone. I will give no deadly medicine to any one if asked, nor suggest any such counsel; and similarly I will not give a woman a pessary to cause an abortion . But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts. I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art . In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or men, be they free or slaves. All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal. If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all humanity and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my life.
HIPPOCRATIC OAT TAKEN BY PHYSICIANS! |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by omicron(m): 11:16am On Jul 17, 2014 |
This gang-up against doctors will eventually backfire. 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 11:31am On Jul 17, 2014 |
benghaziii: Some peepz are so foolish..nurses n other johesu members don't deserve to be called consultants...thats why dey call senior nurses MATRON OR PATRON if is a male...what else do they want... This is a total jealousy laden inferiority complex... A nurse will now tell a patient that she is a consultant n will leave the nurse"title outta it..n will keep managing patients wrongly
how did you pass JAMB with this type of Grammar ![](/faces/huh.png) |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 11:32am On Jul 17, 2014 |
candy: No sir, the strike is no delibrate attempt for doctors to draw patients to private hospitals! The business of private hospitals will always thrive in Nigeria even when there is no NMA strike. Naturally, there is an increase in patronage as a result of this strike; that is understandable, but the private practictioners are the ones enjoying the windfall and not really the striking doctors. I hope you are aware that not all doctors have private clinics and not all doctors are into locum! Most (if not all) doctors i know have one connection or the other in private hospitals. Some of them work part time there. Now tell me how are they not benefit from this strike 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 11:40am On Jul 17, 2014 |
I'm beginning to think that doctors are interlopers, whose main aim it to impede other health professionals success. Why won't u want others to grow in their own career, yet u attack JOHESU and say what is their business if NMA goes on strike, when in actual sense NMA are on strike, most because it want to truncate the JOHESU's career path. I don't hate doctors, but with this act of NMA, I think they are inhibitors 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 11:46am On Jul 17, 2014 |
RedBenson:
Most (if not all) doctors i know have one connection or the other in private hospitals. Some of them work part time there. Now tell me how are they not benefit from this strike Dude was educatg u,yet ur bent on being ignorant.so they started a strike to divert people to deir private clinics?its important not to reason from ur anal canal u knw. 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 11:48am On Jul 17, 2014 |
lrguru: I'm beginning to think that doctors are interlopers, whose main aim it to impede other health professionals success. Why won't u want others to grow in their own carrier, yet u attack JOHESU and say what is their business if NMA goes on strike, when in actual sense NMA are on strike, most because it want to truncate the JOHESU's carrier path. I don't hate doctors, but with this act of NMA, I think they are inhibitors Just before u conclude sir,pls read this http://drnnanna..com/2014/07/what-do-these-doctors-want.html?spref=fb&m=1&m=1 |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by skabber2: 11:51am On Jul 17, 2014 |
candy: Don't mind them. JOHESU should learn to sow their cloth where it's torn and get the H- out of NMA vs FG ish! Where were you when MDCAN took FG to court to stop the implementation of its agreement with JOHESU? Hypocrite! 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 11:55am On Jul 17, 2014 |
skabber2: Where were you when MDCAN took FG to court to stop the implementation of its agreement with JOHESU? Hypocrite! Stopping Implementation of a policy that will constitute anarchy and suing NMA to court by johesu are widely distinct. Don't forget that johesu threatened strike if surgeon general was appointed. Johesu likes playing dirty but unfortunately NMA can't be sued nor cn dey sue.dey cn go ahead nd sue MDCAN though. |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by jpphilips(m): 12:05pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
nnewa: Benjamin Chukwunonso Ajufo THE NIGERIAN HEALTH SECTOR: THE FACE OF JANUS AND THE MATCH TOWARDS TOPHET! BY AJUFO,BENJAMIN CHUKWUNONSO The Nigerian Health Sector has been in the news for some time now, as a result of the lingering crisis that has bedeviled the Sector. The HEALTH sector is expected to be a place of total wellbeing but why is there so much hostility in the Sector which has taken a hydra-headed form? Why is the Sector matching towards Tophet; the Valley of Destructio
n? There is so much misinformation, impunity, violation of Established Rules and Codes of Conduct. Why is the Place polarized with mistrust, and disharmony? Why has the Government allowed herself to become a pawn in the hands of Nigerian Medical Association (NMA) and Medical and Dental Consultants Association(MDCAN) which are not legally recognized Trade Unions ? Why does the Government allow double Standards within the same Sector? The government that was able to restrain a registered Trade Union from going on strike has not stopped an unregistered body posturing as a Trade Union. Why has the Government allowed the Constitution of the Federal Republic, to be violated by NMA who sees herself as the Imperial Majesty, who must continue to subjugate other workers in the Health Sector? Before we bring answers to these numerous WHYS, let us x-ray the pathogenesis of the crisis in the Health Sector. SALARY STRUCTURES IN THE HEALTH SECTOR Under the then President, His Excellency Alhaji Umaru Musa Yar’Adua, the Nigerian Government in 2009 had approved two different Salary Structures in the Health Sector. These two Salary Scales were known as Consolidated Medical Salary Scale (CONMESS) and Consolidated Health Salary Scale (CONHESS).Medical Doctors in the Service of the Nigerian Civil Service are on CONMESS, while every other person working in the Health Sector was placed under the CONHESS structure. Before the emergence of the late President UMARU MUSA YAR’ ADUA, President Olusegun Obasanjo, had placed all Nigerian Health Workers under a unified Salary Scale.NMA had seriously kicked against this unified Salary Scale. It was NMA that negotiated CONMESS for her members while the Joint Health Sector Union (JOHESU), a recognized Trade Union made up of all Unions in the Health Sector outside Medical Doctors, negotiated CONHESS for her members. Below is the two Salary Scales. CONMESS SALARY SCALE CONMESS 01----- HOUSE OFFICER/YOUTH CORPS DOCTOR – Grade Level 10 CONMESS 02----- Registrar/Medical Officer - Grade Level 12 CONMESS 03----- Senior Registrar Grade 11/Senior Medical Officer Grade 2 Grade Level 13 CONMESS 04---- - Senior Registrar Grade 1/Senior Medical Officer Grade 1 Grade level 14 CONMESS 05------ Consultant/Principal Medical officer Grade 2 Grade Level 15 CONMESS 06------ Consultant Special Grade 2/ Principal Medical Officer Grade 1 Grade Level 16 CONMESS 07-------Consultant Special Grade 1/Chief Medical Officer Grade Level 17 CONHESS SALARY SCALE CONHESS 7 INTERNS/NYSC ----------- Grade Level 8 CONHESS 8 X -Officer 1 ----------- Grade Level 9 CONHESS 9 Senior X-Officer ----------- Grade Level 10 CONHESS 11 Principal X- Officer ----------- Grade Level 12 CONHESS 12 Assistant Chief X-Officer ------------ Grade Level 13 CONHESS 13 Chief X-Officer ------------- Grade Level 14 CONHESS 14 Assistant Director X-Officer ---------- Grade Level 15 CONHESS 15 Deputy Director X-Officer ------------- Grade Level 16 CONHESS 16 Director X-Officer ---------------------Grade Level 17 THE FACE OF JANUS AND THE MATCH TOWARDS TOPHET! In the late 2009, NMA, started a campaign of calumny, against members of JOHESU , that they were Skipping, which she alleged as a violation of Government policy. And they as Medical Doctors are treated unjustly in the health sector .As shown above, we have seen that NMA members were the greatest beneficiary of the Government approved Salary Scale, with higher entry point and jumbo pay.NMA was of the opinion that any member of JOHESU, who had moved from CONHESS 9 -to CONHESS 11, should be brought down by one grade level. JOHESU members were unjustly accused of skipping and the polity was heated up. The Public Service Rule provides in 020205 and 020205 (e)- To be eligible for appointment into the Federal Public Service (e) possess requisite qualifications as provided for in the scheme of service. The accusation was faulty because in the Scheme of Service for JOHESU members, there was nothing like Grade level 11.In fact it is a misnomer to term the movement from Grade Level 10 to Grade Level 12 skipping. This is not skipping, because there is no level 11 and what you have in the Scheme of Service is movement from Grade level 10 to 12.The Ministry of Health was seeing through the prism and binoculars of NMA. She supported the recommendation subscribed by NMA that all JOHESU members who have moved from Grade Level 10 to Grade level 12 should be brought down by one Grade level. In a circular dated 11th of January 2010 , with reference number HCSF /EPO/ EIR/RR/B.63755/T1/77 ,the office of the Head of Service of the Federation stopped the movement of JOHESU members from Grade 10 to Grade level 12. About a year later, the Head of Service in a similar circular dated 10th of February, 2011 with reference number HCSF/EPO/EIR/63755/T1/149 called the movement of Workers from Grade 10 to Grade Level 12 an unauthorized Skipping. By June 2011, the Health Sector was already heated up with drum beats of war between the Workers under the aegis of JOHESU and the Nigerian Government represented by the Ministry of Health. It should be recalled, that as at June 28th 2010, in a meeting held at JUTH GUEST HOUSE in Abuja all Chief Medical Directors and Medical Directors under the auspices of Committee of Chief Executives, Federal Tertiary Aspect in Nigeria, unanimously agreed and released a memo with the reference number CCEHTH/SEC/V.1/86 on the 29th of June 2010 addressed to all Chief Executives of Federal Health Institutions. Article 3 on the topic was- implementation of circular on CONTISS forbidding skipping of Grade Level 10 or any Grade level. The decision taken was;-(1) Members decided that by July this year (2010) all Federal Tertiary Hospital should have fully implemented the circular with effect from 1st April 2010.All officers who had skipped Grade level 10 should be brought down by one grade level except those occupying the appointive posts of Director of Administration.(2)To effect this all CF.Os should simultaneously issue a circular to all affected staff on the 12th July,2010 informing them of the plan to implement the circular in July. This memo was signed by M O. Adeoba for: Chairman CCEFTH. Immediately this directive was later implemented, the Health Sector was thrown into chaos, JOHESU gave the Government ultimatum to change her decisions which was not workers friendly, but the Government refused. Moreover the Government failed to implement agreements signed with JOHESU since 2009. This was now followed with a Strike action by JOHESU who accused, the Government of not keeping with the principle of Collective Bargaining. As a result of the crisis in the health Sector on the 9th of August 2011, The Minister of Labour waded into the matter, but the Ministry of Health was not satistisfied by the resolution, and the matter was later taken to the National Industrial Court for adjudication. After a legal battle between the Ministry of Health and JOHESU, the Court ruled in favour of JOHESU in 2013, that Government was wrong to have denied JOHESU members her right. And that JOHESU members appointed Consultants were wrongfully stopped as consultants. After the judgment, from nowhere, NMA/MDCAN who were not a party to the suit, cried foul that the Court Judgment should not be implemented. They as usual were the one that hoodwinked the Government, to have taken the wrong decision that was upturned by the Court. Suddenly they started accusing government of favouring JOHESU members, and that they must skip, even though that no JOHESU member was skipping. Now that the Government is trying to muster the courage to do what is right, NMA/MDCAN has chosen to fight the Nigerian patients, by denying them services and declaring a strike action. Note that it is the same patient they have told the world that they own and that all their actions is for the best interest of the patient. Today NMA/MDCAN who insisted that they must have a different salary structure are the ones imposing on the Government what other employees should earn .The same NMA/MDCAN that wrongfully accused JOHESU members of skipping and even lost this matter in court is the one, now championing skipping for her members, even when doctors scheme of service does not grant such. What a double standard! NMA/MDCAN AND CALCULATED SABOTAGE. Since July 1st 2014,NMA AND MDCAN have denied patients the right to treatment even when the National Industrial Court had ruled that all parties involved should maintain status quo ante. Dr Obembe the leader of NMA, who also happens to be a member of MDCAN has continued to defy Court orders under the guise that it is MDCAN that went to Court. One is forced to ask, “Is Dr Obembe not a member of MDCAN”? Again, does NMA have the moral justification to call for strike when she is not a Trade Union? Can NMA go on strike on an issue that is already before a Court of competent jurisdiction? How does NMA think that the Government will be negotiating with her on an issue before the Court? MDCAN in a calculated ploy to deceive the Nigerian populace came on air to declare that they are not on strike and that they are not joining NMA in the strike action. The truth of the matter is that MDCAN is on strike they are not on ground, and they are not working. MDCAN and her fellow consultants, who have so designated themselves as the owner of the patients, have abandoned the patient they say they own. On the so called minimal achievable demand, NMA should be told in clear terms that they are not achievable. In the immortal words of the erudite Justice Niki Tobi, JCA ( as he then was) “when an issue is before a Court of competent jurisdiction, even though it takes time, the parties must wait ,they must not jump the gun, they cannot go for self help” What NMA is doing now is self help and transfer of aggression on the innocent patients they have acclaimed to own. The issues raised by NMA/MDCAN are before a court, so negotiations and decisions cannot be taking on such matters. NMA/MDCAN strike is a strike of Prejudice and Ego trip, and Government should be firm to stop this hydra-headed problem. The Members of the National Assembly and the Government should not cave in to the blackmail by NMA/MDCAN. They must be firm to make NMA/MDCAN see that their actions are against the state. This is the only way to make NMA/MDCAN amenable to the laws of the land and eschew impunity. The Government should know that Nigerians and indeed the world is watching! JOHESU members account over 95% of the Healthcare work force, so the Government must be careful not to be seen to show favoritism. But must stand on the pedestal of equity and justice to call a spade a spade. The agitation by NMA/ MDCAN that only they should be Directors, Hospital Chief Executives, and Consultants should be jettisoned in a jiffy. This is because such demands are not supported by any statute in Nigeria. If one is to use the principle of balance of convenience, how does appointing other healthcare experts as Directors, Consultants in their specialized disciplines, affect members of NMA/MDCAN? Even when the different approved scheme of service, for all these professionals, allows them to reach the zenith of their career and recognizes such appointments. How does it affect NMA/MDCAN?. NMA/MDCAN should know that the other Healthcare Workers are not a conquered people and that the hospital is not their capitalist empire. The hospital is a government parastatals set by law and must operate within the confines of the law setting it up.NMA/MDCAN should throw away the toga of medical capitalism and imperialism by embracing medical humanism. A Physician is expected to be compassionate, and service oriented devoid of prejudice. NMA/MDCAN should go and study the preamble to the declaration of Independence of the United States of America, composed in 1776 which reads thus, “We hold these truth to be self-evident that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness” So do all medical personnel in the health sector who is not an allopathic physician do affirm. NMA/MDCAN should know that for a nation to excel, it must be build on equality of all men, rights of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.NMA/MDCAN are not the employers of the Nigerian Health Workers, so she cannot decide what Nigerian Health Workers get. The issue of relativity is unfounded and has no basis on any Nigerian Statute book even indeed world over. No professional’s wage bill is determined by the wage bill of another, but by Governments’ Terms of Appointment into the Service. On the floor of the Nigerian National Assembly, when, the incumbent Minister of Health, Prof Onyebuchi Chukwu ,was being screened to become a Minister, he was asked, “how would he maintain peace in the health sector that has been so laden with interprofessional disharmony?”. The Minister answered that he would do all it takes to bring harmony into the sector. Again, he was also asked, “what are his views that only one professional group is the one virtually in control in the health sector and that other healthcare professionals are not so involved in leadership of the System?”. The Min. of Health again answered; that “we will get there that it is a gradual process that things are changing.” To the Most HIGH be the glory that the Hon Minister told the world ,that his action of stopping the consultancy status of other health workers, was as a result of the complain made by NMA. It is on the same issue, that the National Industrial Court has said that, that action was in error, a violation of workers right to collective bargain. Now that the Hon. Min. of Health has started seeing that NMA/MDCANS’ actions, are in bad faith, he must be firm to right the structural injustices in the Health Sector. So that he would have lived up to his words, “that he would do everything in his power to bring harmony in the health sector.” The crisis in the health sector has gotten to where it is today, because of the over bearing attitude of some allopathic physicians, who have forgotten that medicine is the art, act and science of healing, whose scope is beyond allopathic medicine. It is highly unfortunate that NMA/MDCAN leadership personified in the person of Dr Obembe has suddenly forgotten that the word medical is an adjective which means related to the art, act and science of healing. A situation, where allopathic physicians in a false mindset sees only themselves as being medical and other healthcare experts as non medical breeds/creates a wrong image. The future allopathic physicians must be nursed and nurtured to have a mind set of medical humanism to give a good medical image that does not thrive on rancor, falsehood and a doctored ideology. The word medical is not a synonym for a doctor, for if it were, it would not be seen placed in front of the word doctor as in the term “medical doctor” for that will be tautology. Every healthcare professional involved with the act, art and science related to healing are all medical personnel. So the word medical is not an exclusive term to designate allopathic physicians but all that is involved with healing and healthcare services. Conclusion Now that it is so glaring that NMA/MDCAN strike is sabotage against the state, because they are causing untold hardship to the citizens of Nigeria. This as a result of their ego driven demands. And have failed to obey Government orders, because most hospital Chief Executives being members of MDCAN are in sympathy with them. They have failed to call NMA/MDCAN to order to suspend the strike, even when there is a court order. As a result of the death of Nigerians, based on this sabotage, the Federal Government should invoke the powers conferred on her in section 18(1) and 18(2) of University Teaching Hospitals (Reconstruction of Boards, etc) Act CAP 463 LFN which states 18(1) “The President may, notwithstanding any provision of this Act, take such measures as occasion may warrant in order to improve the efficiency or due administration of the teaching hospitals specified in the Schedule to this Act.” 18(2) “ For the purpose of section (1 )of this section, the President may appoint or give such authority for the appointment of Military Commandments to take charge of administration of any of the teaching hospitals specified in this Act for such period as may be stipulated in the authority. Again, section 19 of the act, on the definition of hospital states “Hospital includes all institutions (however called) controlled by the board.” Government should as a matter of urgency bring sanity into the system by making sure; that this sabotage by allopathic doctors is stopped. The Government should declare their actions illegal. As the Health Sector moves towards TOPHET a symbol of collapse, we must do all it takes to salvage her, by doing what is right! AJUFO,BENJAMIN CHUKWUNONSO. WRITES FROM ASABA IS the Secretary Association of Medical laboratory Scientists Delta State Branch. 16/7/14 you want the govt to return the wicked people who have been oppressing you in the interest of the patient? so what exactly do you have to offer the patient, if the monster has to be recalled?
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Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 12:06pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
drobadebayo: Dude was educatg u,yet ur bent on being ignorant.so they started a strike to divert people to deir private clinics?its important not to reason from ur anal canal u knw. How intellcetually lame can u be young man? In my quote, it was simple for one to deduce that the primary aim of the strike may not be to divert patients to thier private hospitals but in the other hand, these striking doctors (esp. those owning/working full time or part time) benefit from this closure of teaching hospitals. Is that too hard to understand? Dude, u need to go back to primary school for proper education. Smh! 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by adeoladrg(m): 12:07pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Double post |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by adeoladrg(m): 12:07pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
drobadebayo: Stopping Implementation of a policy that will constitute anarchy and suing NMA to court by johesu are widely distinct. Don't forget that johesu threatened strike if surgeon general was appointed. Johesu likes playing dirty but unfortunately NMA can't be sued nor cn dey sue.dey cn go ahead nd sue MDCAN though. How come implementation of the policy will constitute anarchy but SGF won't? How come Nigeria is not ripe for consultant pharmacist and nurses but ripe for Surgeon General? For me, both parties are selfish and don't have the interest of the public at heart. |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by skabber2: 12:09pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
drobadebayo: Stopping Implementation of a policy that will constitute anarchy and suing NMA to court by johesu are widely distinct. Don't forget that johesu threatened strike if surgeon general was appointed. Johesu likes playing dirty but unfortunately NMA can't be sued nor cn dey sue.dey cn go ahead nd sue MDCAN though. NMA can't be sued nor sue? ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) because? |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by adeoladrg(m): 12:11pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
drchingy:
People can lie ooo. 1st in class ke drop out ni.. Which school dash u 1st in class. D real brilliant pharmacists are into research and manufacturing in big pharmaceuticals n are even better off than most drs. Meanwhile mr 1st in class here is content with being a common drug dispenser and even struggling to be consultant drug dispenser. .
Oh shattap!!! Any first class pharmacist can work ANYWHERE.. Watch the capital ANYWHERE! |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 12:11pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
adeoladrg:
How come implementation of the policy will constitute anarchy but SGF won't? How come Nigeria is not ripe for consultant pharmacist and nurses but ripe for Surgeon General?
For me, both parties are selfish and don't have the interest of the public at heart. Am not in support of any of dem,so we r clear. |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Oduduwaboy(m): 12:12pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
YourHealthlabs:
Well you can scream your head off in your attempt to deceive the unsuspected populace but it won't stand.
Let me give you a suggestion-Find a way to ban other Nigerians from using the internet and make the internet an exclusive preserve of the Allopathic physicians. I think it will fit in well as the 100th demand on NMA's long list of agenda so can successfully sell your lies. We are not in North korea my brother. ![cheesy](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cheesy.png)
It is no longer uhuru for the lies you sell to corner unmerited gains, you've been demystified, knowledge is now a few keystrokes away. The wind of positive change as initiatied by 95% of Health professionals has come to stay , stand on it way and get blown off. This quack makes me laugh . I bet he is called 'Doctor ' on his street and he enjoys the honour . What ridiculous statistics is that you are quoting about 95% of health-workers ? Which health-workers are you talking about ? Despite your irrelevant numbers you guys Will achieve nothing ! The so-called 95% has become 50% since you people have ganged up to form the amorphous JOHESU ... If you want to talk talk with facts like i did when i mentioned the practice in America & UK ...Stop dreaming boy ! |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 12:16pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
skabber2: NMA can't be sued nor sue? because? If johesu did her homework well,she wd know. D same NIC couldn't stop NMA from embarking on dat strike in d first place. Suing dem to dt court is a joke. |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 12:22pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
RedBenson:
How intellcetually lame can u be young man? In my quote, it was simple for one to deduce that the primary aim of the strike may not be to divert patients to thier private hospitals but in the other hand, these striking doctors (esp. those owning/working full time or part time) benefit from this closure of teaching hospitals. Is that too hard to understand? Dude, u need to go back to primary school for proper education. Smh! This was ur post sir RedBenson: Lol. Rain don dey spoil show for person here over the last 4days. This Doctors strike is a deliberate attempt to pull patients to thier private clinic. This is very true. I have relations who own private clinics and they can attest to increased patronage in thier clinics this striking period. "Deliberate attempt" Now I c ur nt just stupid but also a liar. A stupid liar Mr RedBenson,thats what u are. 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 12:26pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
drobadebayo: Just before u conclude sir,pls read this
http://drnnanna..com/2014/07/what-do-these-doctors-want.html?spref=fb&m=1&m=1 sir I have read and understood completely all that was said as regards your demands, but some of them could have been settled within yourselves rather than goin on strike, like the 'consultant thing'. If a pharmacist/nurse wants to be a consultant, like a consultant nurse, he/she should always say it in full to the patient, like 'I am a consultant nurse' and not just a consultant, and each roles of each consultant should be defined like someone rightly said. Consultant doctors/physicians go through series of text/exam/courses to become a consultant doctor, and we all know they are well respected in the hospital environment. I believe if things are done this way, n a patient gets to meet a consultant nurse who introduces himself/herself as a consultant nurse, the patient alone reserves the right to choose if or not he/she will accept treatment from the nurse, or go to a doctor instead. Where there will be problem is when the nurse just introduces himself/herself as a consultant without sayin whether a nurse/pharmacy/physician that where I think should be corrected. Cos we all know the role each medical practitioner plays in a hospital, whether you are a physician, a lab scientist, a nurse, a pharmacist, a radiographer, a physiotheraphist, so u cannot usurp anybody's profession even if u are a consultant, u can't be a consultant pharmacist and take the postion of a lab scientist. And all the talk about doctors been indispensable, as in can comfortably take up the role of others in the hospital is not true. We all need one another, and we all know that a doctor is most respected in the hospital and among humans too. So please you all should settle this things once and for all. I am for doctors being the head of the hospital, (CMD) but I'm against doctors stopping others from getting to the top of their careers too, like been a director. My humble submission 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Oduduwaboy(m): 12:30pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
decode55: the guy below me is a cleaner in UPTH. I know him wella
I dunno why he's pained sha. I always tip him well hmm..by the time this strike ends i wonder if Doctor will still be able to dispassionately attend to JOHESU members at the hospitals? There is so much anger going around . Hmmm...i think we need to let the public know what it takes the Doctor to become a consultant and why it seems repulsive to us that JOHESU is asking for an arbitrary appointment of un- needed consultants in their fields all in a bid for increased salaries at tax-payers expense and an invigorated competition for posts that do not professionally belong to them. Okay the United Kingdom has a Queen , so Nigeria government must set in motion modalities for the appointment of a Queen in Nigeria . It seems JOHESU demands are analogous to this in my own opinion . I Will be back ! 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by drobadebayo: 12:32pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
lrguru: sir I have read and understood completely all that was said as regards your demands, but some of them could have been settled within yourselves rather than goin on strike, like the 'consultant thing'. If a pharmacist/nurse wants to be a consultant, like a consultant nurse, he/she should always say it in full to the patient, like 'I am a consultant nurse' and not just a consultant, and each roles of each consultant should be defined like someone rightly said. Consultant doctors/physicians go through series of text/exam/courses to become a consultant doctor, and we all know they are well respected in the hospital environment. I believe if things are done this way, n a patient gets to meet a consultant nurse who introduces himself/herself as a consultant nurse, the patient alone reserves the right to choose if or not he/she will accept treatment from the nurse, or go to a doctor instead. Where there will be problem is when the nurse just introduces himself/herself as a consultant without sayin whether a nurse/pharmacy/physician that where I think should be corrected. Cos we all know the role each medical practitioner plays in a hospital, whether you are a physician, a lab scientist, a nurse, a pharmacist, a radiographer, a physiotheraphist, so u cannot usurp anybody's profession even if u are a consultant, u can't be a consultant pharmacist and take the postion of a lab scientist. And all the talk about doctors been indispensable, as in can comfortably take up the role of others in the hospital is not true. We all need one another, and we all know that a doctor is most respected in the hospital and among humans too. So please you all should settle this things once and for all. I am for doctors being the head of the hospital, (CMD) but I'm against doctors stopping others from getting to the top of their carriers too, like been a director. My humble submission Thank u Personally I wouldnt care who becomes a consultant or not but this will cause more harm in the long run We already have physician-surgeons,nurse-surgeons,pharmacist-physicians. People posing to be who they are not and causing so much trouble for everyone.If everyone is cool is who dey are and wat dey can do,there will be peace.We r supposed to be united nd nt divided because of greed. Thank u again |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Oduduwaboy(m): 12:43pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
lrguru: sir I have read and understood completely all that was said as regards your demands, but some of them could have been settled within yourselves rather than goin on strike, like the 'consultant thing'. If a pharmacist/nurse wants to be a consultant, like a consultant nurse, he/she should always say it in full to the patient, like 'I am a consultant nurse' and not just a consultant, and each roles of each consultant should be defined like someone rightly said. Consultant doctors/physicians go through series of text/exam/courses to become a consultant doctor, and we all know they are well respected in the hospital environment. I believe if things are done this way, n a patient gets to meet a consultant nurse who introduces himself/herself as a consultant nurse, the patient alone reserves the right to choose if or not he/she will accept treatment from the nurse, or go to a doctor instead. Where there will be problem is when the nurse just introduces himself/herself as a consultant without sayin whether a nurse/pharmacy/physician that where I think should be corrected. Cos we all know the role each medical practitioner plays in a hospital, whether you are a physician, a lab scientist, a nurse, a pharmacist, a radiographer, a physiotheraphist, so u cannot usurp anybody's profession even if u are a consultant, u can't be a consultant pharmacist and take the postion of a lab scientist. And all the talk about doctors been indispensable, as in can comfortably take up the role of others in the hospital is not true. We all need one another, and we all know that a doctor is most respected in the hospital and among humans too. So please you all should settle this things once and for all. I am for doctors being the head of the hospital, (CMD) but I'm against doctors stopping others from getting to the top of their carriers too, like been a director. My humble submission Hmmm....good submission ! But JOHESU are not this reasonable . One of their Warlords ----Pharm. Olumide Akintayo has said nobody 'owns ' the patient , we are equal partners in patient care etc. You only need to know the ramifications of these JOHESU declarations and you Will forever come to the doctor s side ! From what we have seen Nurses have counter-manded Doctor's orders etc....and that is why NMA was driven to this last option of strike. Come to think of it when was the last time the NMA embarked on a prolonged & total strike? The FG and JOHESU were banking on this historical antecedent of NMA and did not respond to the requests & demands of NMA , thus leading to the present state of things . 2 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by phantom(m): 12:54pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) .........in this country a consultant pharmacist or nurse will explain to the patients that they are not 'doctor consultants'.who has that time? let's do an experiment. go to any nearby pharmacy and call the pharmacist 'doctor'. let's see whether he won't be grinning from ear to ear. they answer it more than the real doctors... ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 6 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 1:08pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Oduduwaboy: Hmmm....good submission ! But JOHESU are not this reasonable . One of their Warlords ----Pharm. Olumide Akintayo has said nobody 'owns ' the patient , we are equal partners in patient care etc. You only need to know the ramifications of these JOHESU declarations and you Will forever come to the doctor s side ! From what we have seen Nurses have counter-manded Doctor's orders etc....and that is why NMA was driven to this last option of strike. Come to think of it when was the last time the NMA embarked on a prolonged & total strike? The FG and JOHESU were banking on this historical antecedent of NMA and did not respond to the requests & demands of NMA , thus leading to the present state of things .
doctors are higher than nurses in terms of heirachy in the medical strata, that's if there's any like that, and I do not think nurses have the right to go against doctors orders. I am not been sentimental here or being on the doctors side, but truth be told here, doctors are supposed to be in charge of the hospitals/health centers. The doctor is the reason why almost everyone goes to the hospital, whether you are sick, injured, incapacitated, pregnant, needs surgery, need blood/ organ transfusion and even the diseased. Every other person in the health sector is just to assist the doctor. The doctor refers its patients to other health workers who inturn exercise their own jurisdiction, whether a nurse or a radiographer or a lab scientist. I can't remember when last any sick person went to the hospital and said he/she was lookin for a pharmacist/nurse/lab scientist to cure him, they all go to see a doctor. I said it before that even if you have 30yrs experience in working as a mass servant in Church, it does not make you a Priest, or give you the go-ahead to say mass. But the doctors too should not interfere in other people's progress or dictate how much they should earn. 4 Likes |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by rotadeco27: 1:23pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
This JOHESU or wat did they call themselves are useless set of pple y do they keep making drs so important chai drs are truly d head of d health team.No wonder they want them back at all cost.take over d hospital nd render them irrelevant then u will prove ur point of no superiority 1 Like |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by biomedixexcel(m): 1:27pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Hmmmmmmm |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by betatalk: 1:34pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
This whole strike is about supremacy and not patient's welfare. They should also be charged for murder or manslaughter of innocent patients that have died. Everyone is saying public officers should use nigerian hospitals. That's not the solution what about those who r not priviledge and doctors exploit them by directing them to their private clinics, coming late to work and unprofessional way they treat patient. Please they should stop using patients as pawns |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by betatalk: 1:35pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
rotadeco27: This JOHESU or wat did they call themselves are useless set of pple y do they keep making drs so important chai drs are truly d head of d health team.No wonder they want them back at all cost.take over d hospital nd render them irrelevant then u will prove ur point of no superiority Ur point so why r doctors on strike. Can d doctors work alone in d hospital |
Re: JOHESU Sues NMA, Says Doctors Strike Illegal by Nobody: 1:36pm On Jul 17, 2014 |
Tobbie9: This Johesu guys r not serious, instead of them to prove that doctors r irrelevant now and end this once and for all they're busy sueing them to make them return 2 work though i support them not being paid 4 work not done. no one ever said anyone is irrelevant. Get your facts right. Peeps are fighting for their rights. |