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Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 11:37am On Aug 15, 2014 |
dealslip: It is not written in the bible but if you follow history... Girls in those days were married off as early as 13,14... Try and be objective in debating |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by hollandis(f): 2:13pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
tintingz: Yeah Africans calling the western countries like mumus.you have sex with a girl less than 17 in the western world ,you get jailed ,fined and put in the offenders list for life.You know what that means right ?Nojob ,no govt assistance ,no nothing .Nigeria is a shame with people like you,who claim to be schooled 3 Likes |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 2:48pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
tintingz: Prophet Mohammed married a 6 year old and you don't condemn pedophilia because the 6 year old was happy on the day of the marriage? You folks are funny @ the posters,you see why the problem here is Islam? They can doublespeak all they want ,the truth remains that they aspire to follow the footsteps of their prophet and here you have it written in black and white Pedophilia is part of their tenets and they are not about to give it up anytime soon Giving it up is condemning Mohammed. There you have it Medical science agrees that girls today are more mature physically than they were ages ago So your theory of 6 year old women in the time of Mohammed is completely false. 1 Like |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 2:51pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Ok. So how do they know the girl is mature enough or is puberty another definition for maturity? And secondly, most of these girls don't have a say in the matter,that to me is the same thing as being forced. Do you then agree that most northerners go against islam when they marry off their wards without the the full consent of the kid. tintingz: |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 2:52pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: Ok. So how do they know the girl is mature enough or is puberty another definition for maturity? Goodluck trying yo get a straightforward answer from him He just told you 6 year olds can be ripe for marriage to justify pedophilia and that the girl wasnt crying at the wedding What else are you looking for? They speak too many words hoping to confuse you,when you corner them,they start looking for similar examples in America Islam is cruel to girls Tingtingz just made a post I quoted earlier to buttress the point. He is not in support of forced marriage because that is what he wants you to hear and the same mentality tells him a 6 year old can consent to marriage. How sick is that? |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 3:08pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
I wish he'll answer me sincerely if he actually thinks the parents are acting against islam or according to islam as they claim. Because I think the religious leaders should have come heavily against such people when they give underage and unwilling girls in marriage. Two things which are clearly against islam. How's your health btw? babyosisi: 1 Like |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 3:16pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: I wish he'll answer me sincerely if he actually thinks the parents are acting against islam or according to islam as they claim. Have you seen any Muslim condemn this marriage? You will never get that answer The marriage of a child is halal in Islam The Koran talks about divorce and categorizes women into grown,captured women and those who are yet to see their menses Meaning that Islam recognizes the marriage of prepubertal girls as exemplified by the marriage of prophet Mohammed himself I have gone at this with them at the early days of NL Condemning child marriage is condemning prophet Mohammed and you will never hear a true Muslim go that route They will always justify it by telling you the 6 year old was happy and wanted the marriage some will even deny Aisha's age despite Aisha's own words,some others have told me the desert climate makes the girls turn to women faster If all fails,they will change the topic to focus on something else I dey well Going back to work,thanks for asking. 1 Like |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 3:25pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
babyosisi: I think any body true to themselves should admit when something is wrong even if someone notable in their belief did it. Yea jacob was polygamous Jesus was born of an underage mother(speculative) Solomon had plenty concubines. Should we latch unto those vices that do nothing to help our present day society because we are blinded by faith? Food for thought. 1 Like |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 3:36pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: I could go on and on and post Aisha's own words of how unhappy she was in the abusive marriage The rancor and jealousy amongst the wives How she was playing with her friends and on a swing when they led her to sit on the prophet's lap,the day he deflowered her In her own parent's house A 9 year old made to sit on the lap of a 53 year old man,supposedly a prophet But that is for another day,even though that action is similar to what we are discussing here Children do not belong on a bed with old men or any man at all I had a Muslim ask me if it was better that 13 year olds are sleeping around rather than marry The typical Islamic way of reasoning Like those who condemn child marriage,advocate fornication and opposite of hijab is unclothedness and opposite of polygamy is sleeping around I said both are wrong Marrying them off by an adult who should know better is even worse 3 Likes |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Lightening: 5:40pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
babyosisi: Madam, pls leave all these empty islamist barrells that are running in a circle. The supposed happy infant brides have suddenly woken up. Thank God Otapiapia is available and cheap , now a tool used by "happy" infant wives to settle scores. Mischievous custom. 1 Like |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 5:47pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Lawd.. back to religious hate.... SOmethings never change Cant a debate be devoid of bigotry.. Can this rest now... in the old days.. jewish maidens were married 12-14 They have moved on... The issue now is why is Child marriage still in practice She married Joseph and accompanied him to Bethlehem, where Jesus was born.[3] Dale Allison states that in ancient Jewish custom, Mary could have been bethrothed at about 12, but does not claim that this did happen in her case.[4] There is no direct evidence of Mary's age at betrothal or in pregnancy. The historical challenge is to explain why Jesus was accused of illegitimacy, why he was called Joseph's son and why the view developed that he was born of a virgin. By examining the ancient Jewish commitment to the maintenance of family lineage, which was the cultural context of Jesus' birth, we can explain all these features of the New Testament and discover one of the most profound influences on Jesus' personal development. |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 5:58pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Good question. Can you help us ask? Child marriage is an old practise hence can be found in the history of many religions. But since everyone has moved on,why are they still stuck and why do they use religion to try justify it? And why aren't their religious leaders calling them out on this practise which is against islam. I just don't know if there's something we are not being told here. pickabeau1: Lawd.. back to religious hate.... |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 8:04pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Lightening: But now they want to kill her Otapiapia sure got rid of the molester but her life is now in danger She is currently detained for self defense practically |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 8:45pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: Good question. I am also asking the question myself I was wondering why it seemed to be degenerating to a religious war as Jews also married young If you have read the thread from the start..Islam says the girl must be mature They don't think it is best I am curious as to why the practice is widespread myself |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 8:59pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
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Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 9:09pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: xx Madam dey learn to dey quote well Na.. Haba.... That's why I believe if more moderates speak out...this thing will become outdated They will not give out their daughters so young..so with time it will trickle down....slowly n sadly 20?..I feel 18 is OK as a minimum age Abuse of power?..,I think its mostly an economic issue |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 9:16pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
pickabeau1:Forgive me. Lol I know 18 is the minimum age just saying. Not economic. There are poor people in the other regions too. It's abuse of power pure and simple. |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 9:21pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: OK..however one can not deny the vast differences in per capita income n literacy levels between the north n south Tragic considering they have ruled thus country for more than 33 years |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 9:30pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
pickabeau1: Still the abuse of power I'm talking about here. A male child will go to any level of education he wants to if his family can afford to. Even the US or UK for western degrees and whatever else he wants to do. The female child on the other hand is rarely given such opportunity except where the father is extremely kind. Is this not a deliberate attempt to keep them subdued and subservient? They believe she'll become I tire sha. I no fit kill myself for this matter even though it gives me a lot of concern. Can't cry more than the bereaved joor. |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by pickabeau1: 9:37pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
cococandy: You miss it totally The literacy level in the North is abysmally poor for both genders... Damn..u did not know that The children of the elite are those who go to the highest levels... I'm sure you know el rufai daughter had 2 masters in the UK Coco... Check your facts.... |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by cococandy(f): 10:12pm On Aug 15, 2014 |
Not missing any points. Education is low for both genders. Are the poor boys forced to marry at a young age? No. So education isn't their primary problem. I did say that's not the case for all. So before your post I know there are educated and high flying females from the north. El rufai is one example among many elites whose kids get good education. Still for every elite like him,there are 10 who aren't interested in empowering their daughters. Whose daughters are part of someone's harem hidden away somewhere. Btw if we have to use elites as examples when something as basic as education and a right to choose the kind of life the girl wants for herself is being discussed,then it means something needs to be done ASAP I still insist that if the women had a voice like they should,the rate of girl child marriages will reduce. Lack of education and poverty contributes.yes But addressing it alone(which is something that has been going on anyway) won't solve the problem until the women get to have a choice pickabeau1: |
Re: Deep Divisions Over Nigerian Child Bride On Murder Charge by Nobody: 10:43am On Aug 16, 2014 |
tintingz: Lol really? child marriages are not practiced in the west? First of all, the legal age for marriage in most Western countries is 18. Fact no. 1. In some countries, people can get married at the age of 16 with either parental consent or court permission but NEVER AGAINST THEIR WILL. Civilised countries protect children. The Catholic cannon is not applied anywhere. Get your facts right! Has nobody ever taught you that wikipedia is not a reliable source? Can't you see that the article you are quoting is badly written? Which country is North America? |
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