macof:

Actually am nt trying to convince u of wat ur consciousness level doesn't permit. However there are many who would gain a thing a or two from discussions like this.

now to address ur post:
There's no such thing as "consciousness of good and evil from God to man"
Our human/individual essence decides wat is good for us, and rejects the others
Although the essence is from our creator, not all creations have the same essence

That is why animals have no problem eating flesh straight up while humans need to cook

A man that eats meat raw like an animal has lost his human essence(otherwise; humanity)
A man who can't feel love, joy, pain, loss and other basic emotions has lost that human essence too, is as more stone than human

So No, humans don't have the traits of the creator, we aren't the only creations so why concentrate on humans when the spirit(of God) is in everything.

I have decided not to argue further on this!
To each man his own, it's well.

God shouldn't be compared..... He knows all both the seen and unseen.

One of God's character is goodness. There is no unrighteousness in God. He is just pure goodness without any contamination. Taste and see that the Lord is good. His goodness can only be proven by those who taste and not by those who logic it out. God wants us to prove him no wonder he said 'prove me now herewith and see....' So come on, and taste him them will you testify how good he is.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUs50QvLYg

finofaya: I've been wondering what is meant by a good God.




God is good.

Okay.

The problem here is that "good" is meaningless without "evil". In order for good to exist, evil must exist, since a thing can only be good in relation to another thing.

Christians will say that God is good and man introduced evil after the fall. Or perhaps it was the fall of Lucifer that introduced evil. Either way, what it means is that God became good at the point of the introduction of evil. Before then, he was good in relation to what? Nothing. So he could not have been good.

In order for God to be good from the on set, there must have been evil somewhere, from the on set. There are four ways this could have played out:

1. God is neither good nor evil, he just is. In this case, good and evil only have meaning because we say they do. What we mean when we say something is good or evil is that we approve or do not approve of it. Nothing is objectively good or evil.

2. Assuming that one thing can be both at the same time, God is both good and evil. Good and evil exist objectively, and they are both embodied in God.

3. Assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is good, while another entity exists which is evil. This entity would be similar to God, (eg if God has a good personality, it would have an evil personality) in order to be the antithesis of God. Thus it should be sentient. Here, God is not responsible for the evil being. Instead something higher than both God and the evil being is responsible for both of them.

4. Still assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is evil, while another entity exists which is good. And something else is responsible for both of them.

Which one is obtainable? I have no idea. I could even be entirely wrong.

Any ideas?

God is Good par excellence. Eternally good. Evil is simply going against God. God creates us with will, hence when we go against his will we do evil for everything against good is evil. God is the ultimate good.

God's being good to me me, gracious to me, merciful unto me, blessed me and above all, given me all things that pertains to this life and Godly living.

chrisviral: Let me use me as an example.
My Father loves me so much, he is ready to give his life for me, he can't even stand another flog me, he wants the best for me, he gives me everything within his power, yet this same very Father of mine flogs me like a criminal when I air wrongly, WHY?
That is Who he is... he can't stand me misbehaving.

Saying God should abolish hell is like saying My father should unbeat me after beating me.
Can't happen!

your example doesnt work

in God people claim that he knows your next move and he can change it

whereas your father doesnt know your next move, he only his experience which might be wrong

"Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness" - Psalm 143:10

"The Spirit of the Lord spake by me, and his word was in my tongue." - 2 Samuel 23:2

"God is not a man, that he should lie;..." - Numbers 23:19 (Psalm 12:6)

Every day that we have the gift of life and many good things associated with it, and especially God's Self sacrifice to save even one sinner... are a testament to GOD's goodness, the extent to which we, in our limited understanding, really have no idea.

Talking about God deeds is like looking for where the world ends,it is good ops u come about this question, now we have a father I mean a biological father , its like when u did wrong ur father will beat u up so that dosnt mean ur father is evil God have given us a lot of choices like there is light and darkness, good and bad, likewise there is Jesus and there is satan it is now left for u to choose, all these was created by God and he now left u to choose as it hapens to Adam and eve.

this post just reminds me of the course LOGIC and PHILOSOPHY (GeS 101) way back in school....
and I hated it.. :'

buh my Bible tells me dat "the goodness of God endureth continually".... psalm 52:1

... and I stick to dat...

@op, this is how it works. God is good and Satan is evil. God is also Supreme, but does not force you to follow His ways usually. In the end, man is a creature of choice but there are also established repercussions for choices. If you follow Satan you receive bad repercussion, and good if you follow God. Satan has come to steal kill and destroy, but God wants to give you only good things and especially, heaven at last. So in the end God is still good.

finofaya: I've been wondering what is meant by a good God.




God is good.

Okay.

The problem here is that "good" is meaningless without "evil". In order for good to exist, evil must exist, since a thing can only be good in relation to another thing.

Christians will say that God is good and man introduced evil after the fall. Or perhaps it was the fall of Lucifer that introduced evil. Either way, what it means is that God became good at the point of the introduction of evil. Before then, he was good in relation to what? Nothing. So he could not have been good.

In order for God to be good from the on set, there must have been evil somewhere, from the on set. There are four ways this could have played out:

1. God is neither good nor evil, he just is. In this case, good and evil only have meaning because we say they do. What we mean when we say something is good or evil is that we approve or do not approve of it. Nothing is objectively good or evil.

2. Assuming that one thing can be both at the same time, God is both good and evil. Good and evil exist objectively, and they are both embodied in God.

3. Assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is good, while another entity exists which is evil. This entity would be similar to God, (eg if God has a good personality, it would have an evil personality) in order to be the antithesis of God. Thus it should be sentient. Here, God is not responsible for the evil being. Instead something higher than both God and the evil being is responsible for both of them.

4. Still assuming that nothing can be both at the same time, God is evil, while another entity exists which is good. And something else is responsible for both of them.

Which one is obtainable? I have no idea. I could even be entirely wrong.

Any ideas?

..1. What is god?.2..what is good?. 3...what is evil? - 1.god is any body or sprit who want respect/worship from others. so my point? There is many gods buth there is 1 God the Allpha and Omega,the one who creat the heaven and earth he is the rael God(Jehovah- no one answes that name)..2..good is something U will do and be happy with it without harming others and also benefite you and others around you...3...Evil is doing wrong agenst goods will. Now there is evil and there is good, some people wrote they came frome thesame person No no and No. From D beginning God created heaven and earth and is was good,then one sprit(setan) come and deceive the first human on earth.. that is where bad or Evil come frome .Now who is setan and did God creat him? God did not creat setan,he made hemself setan. Like Example- if somebody become a thief those it mean that his or her parents born the person to be a thief? It is thesame with setan, when God creat him as Good Angle and he letter change to evil and deceive the earth So U cant blame parents who born a chird that retter become a crimininal for giving birth to him also you cant blame God for creating an Angle who letter become Evil, as U know every work get rewards. GOD IS GOOD and setan promote Evil (sory for my ENG)

You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being. Revelation 4:11

God is the Creator of everything. He is the guardian over everything. Unto Him belong the keys of the heavens and the earth. Quran 39:62-63

According to Yoruba oral tradition, Tibi tire la da ile aye. Meaning good was created for evil and vice versa.

So God is extremely good and equally extremely 'evil' cos it is the force from which everything came and its part of everything.

The Character 'devil' is not as 'bad' as what we call God.

Cos what we call God epitomizes 'Good' and 'Evil' .

macof:

Then from where came evil?

Evil began when Angel Lucifer disobeyed THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

GodMode:

God created evil

Evil was, is, and remains "alien" to THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

The disobedience on the part of Lucifer marked the beginning of what is known as "evil" today!

kadas01: Evil began when Angel Lucifer disobeyed THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

Lucifer is a Latin word for the brightness of planet Venus in the morning, how can Jews of 700BC speak Latin??

Lucifer is a fake identity for a Jewish character.

Btw let's also know that Jews never believed in a "Satan".
All this things u read from ur English Bible are Roman manipulations of Jewish myth

I pray your logic don't drive you crazy

chrisviral:

I have decided not to argue further on this!
To each man his own, it's well.

When a man sees the truth, and knows it is the truth but rejects it for his indoctrinated comfort then he is killing his soul

CharlieMaria:
God is Good par excellence. Eternally good. Evil is simply going against God. God creates us with will, hence when we go against his will we do evil for everything against good is evil. God is the ultimate good.

So I KILL a witch like ur god said
"suffer not a witch to live"

Kill looses it's "evilness" because God has given permission to KILL a witch

Infact not KILLING a witch is evil. Because it is going against this "God"

kadas01: Evil was, is, and remains "alien" to THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

The disobedience on the part of Lucifer marked the beginning of what is known as "evil" today!

You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, "for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being". Revelation 4:11

I will advice u don't follow the path of your counter argument unless u want to say God is not omnipresent omniscient and omnipotent.

Like u said...ALMIGHTY CREATOR
or
Are you trying to say God is as good as good and 'Lucifer' as bad as 'Evil', in other words....Evil and everything about it is exclusive creation of 'Lucifer'...meaning it created it self. Which will make more sense cos the bible made us understand he was trying to over throw God In Revelation 12:7-13.

macof:

How can a spirit attempt to take over a duty that's not it's nature??

This is like saying Rocks want to take over from rainwater and start falling from the sky during storms.

Every spirit has it's nature, no spirit can attempt taking over another spirit.

Again you dont know what spirit is. Havent you seen spirit in the bible possess people and Jesus cast them out? Are you not seeing it even today in our society?

Some spirits that Jesus cast out were violent on their possessor leaving them torn and wounded(yet you are telling me that spirits cant be angry).
Read Mark 1;26 and Mark 9:26. These devils (which also are spirits) have not stopped doing that which led to their fall. They like possessing and being in control. That was what lucifer tried to do in heaven. he wanted to possess the throne of God and be in charge.

I am looking at spirit from biblical background which i consider more authentic than your analogy.

macof:

God created everything yes, but before creation God was not a "creator"
Creator became a characteristic, infact became it's identity, the moment creation was underway.

So telling me God has been unchangeable with all characteristics before creation is false.

I have had my personal experience with the spirit world, my knowledge is based on my search and experience

No sir. Creativity was already in God before he created. He only put it into action when he felt the need to do that. Even we human beings are created in that creative likeness of God. Thats why you see someone faced with a challenge or problem, before you know it, his creativity comes up and he comes out with a solution. Watch your kids even as babies how they handle certain things, you ll marvel who taught them that they should do it that way at such a tiny age.

Creativity was part of God's nature before creation. The authority and wisdom with which he created the heaven and the earth and everything in it shows that creativity was part and parcel of him. The creativity in him became manifest when he started creating just like his mercy and wrath was made manifest when sin/evil came into place. Not that creativity and mercy etc has not been his attributes before.

finofaya:

Thanks. I know you're not.

God may not be evil. But if you say he is good, and has always been, then you should show where evil has always been.

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alexleo:

No sir. Creativity was already in God before he created. He only put it into action when he felt the need to do that. Even we human beings are created in that creative likeness of God. Thats why you see someone faced with a challenge or problem, before you know it, his creativity comes up and he comes out with a solution. Watch your kids even as babies how they handle certain things, you ll marvel who taught them that they should do it that way at such a tiny age.

Creativity was part of God's nature before creation. The authority and wisdom with which he created the heaven and the earth and everything in it shows that creativity was part and parcel of him.

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. "The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters". Genesis 1 1-2 Meaning before God created he was only a force who was later moving around over the surface of water when he created Heaven and earth, yeah creativity might be part of him but until he created he was not a creator.

Plus who taught my dog how to remove his chain? if we have to go by the kids analogue you gave and how they handle things. Man was not created in no image of God. God is part of everything he created cos from it everything was made.

macof:

When a man sees the truth, and knows it is the truth but rejects it for his indoctrinated comfort then he is killing his son

Well I don't have a son yet, I might as well kill yours!

chrisviral:

Well I don't have a son yet, I might as well kill yours!

Dats beyond ur imagination

[quote author] ..1. What is god?.2..what is good?. 3...what is evil? - 1.god is any body or sprit who want respect/worship from others. so my point? There is many gods buth there is 1 God the Allpha and Omega,the one who creat the heaven and earth he is the rael God(Jehovah- no one answes that name)..2..good is something U will do and be happy with it without harming others and also benefite you and others around you...3...Evil is doing wrong agenst goods will. Now there is evil and there is good, some people wrote they came frome thesame person No no and No. From D beginning God created heaven and earth and is was good,then one sprit(setan) come and deceive the first human on earth.. that is where bad or Evil come frome .Now who is setan and did God creat him? God did not creat setan,he made hemself setan. Like Example- if somebody become a thief those it mean that his or her parents born the person to be a thief? It is thesame with setan, when God creat him as Good Angle and he letter change to evil and deceive the earth So U cant blame parents who born a chird that retter become a crimininal for giving birth to him also you cant blame God for creating an Angle who letter become Evil, as U know every work get rewards. GOD IS GOOD and setan promote Evil (sory for my ENG)[/quote]

deScifa:

Are you the son!

kadas01: Evil was, is, and remains "alien" to THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR!

The disobedience on the part of Lucifer marked the beginning of what is known as "evil" today!

Pls for your sake read this

Isaiah 45:7 (KJV)
I form the light, and create darkness: I
make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.


Pls stop listening to preaching and start reading the bible yourself.
Stop blaming an imaginary villian (lucifer) for problems created by humans.