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| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 4:58pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
MORE PLS DID SEE ANY CROSS ON TOP OF IT?
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| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 5:03pm On Sep 25, 2014 |
MUSTANG44 I AM WAITING OR YOUR RESPONSE |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 12:50am On Sep 26, 2014 |
[quote author=Abdulsalam20] in the first place you said quran was copied from bible i will in the first place prove you wrong note;i m quoting with scientific proof Example 1: Local vs. Universal Flood during Prophet Noah (pbuh): The Bible tells of a universal flood during the time of the prophet Noah (pbuh) in the Book of Genesis, Chapter # 7: “Every living thing that moved on the earth perished, birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died”. The Qur'an mentions a local flood affecting the people of Noah only: " Is it too much of a wonder that a reminder should come to you from your Lord, through a man like you, to warn you, and to lead you to righteousness, that you may attain mercy? They rejected him. Consequently, we saved him and those with him in the ark, and we drowned those who rejected our revelations”. (Qur'an 7:59-64) Werner Keller says: "A flood of the unimaginable extent described in the Bible still remains 'archeologically not demonstrated" (pp.29-30) So how would the author of the Qur’an have avoided this mistake unless the revelation came from the initiator of the flood Himself? --------------------------------------------------------------- Example 2: Moses and the Pharaoh: Another comparison will again demonstrate that the Qur'an was not copied from the Bible. The Bible states that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses (pbuh) and his people: “And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them” Exodus 14:28. The clear indication in that description is that the body of the Pharaoh perished in the sea. The Qur’an agrees that God drowned the Pharaoh and his army when they pursued Moses. However, the Qur'an dared to differ and prove true. In the Qur'an God promised to preserve the body of the Pharaoh after having drowned him as a sign for later generations "…Today, we will preserve your body, to set you up as a lesson for future generations. Unfortunately, many people are totally oblivious to our signs. “(Qur’an 10:90-92). As God promised in the Qur’an, the Pharaoh’s body was discovered at Thebes in the Valley of the Kings by Loret in 1898. Elliot Smith removed its wrapping on July 8, 1907 and wrote a detailed description in his book The Royal Mummies (1912). In the late 1970s, President Anwar El-Sadat allowed the loan of the pharaoh’s mummy to Paris to be studied. The Chief Surgeon in charge of the project was Dr. Maurice Bucaille. Among the discovery made by the scientific team in Paris was the pharaoh’s cause of death: "… The salt remnant in his body was the biggest evidence that he died drowning, and his body was extracted from the sea after drowning immediately. Then quickly they carried and embalming process of the body in order to preserve it…" Dr. Maurice Bucaille was so fascinated by the discovery that he devoted himself to learning the Arabic language in order to be able to read the Qur'an in its original text and to study its meaning. In 1976 he wrote a book titled: “The Bible, the Qur’an and Science” which caused a furor in high academic circles, particularly in the Christian world. In his book, Dr. Bucaille aimed to prove that the Qur’an is in agreement with scientific facts, while the Bible is not. He claimed that in Islam, science and religion have always been “twin sisters”. Also and according to Dr. Bucaille, there are monumental errors of science in the Bible and not a single error in the Qur’an, whose descriptions of natural phenomena make it compatible with modern science. Dr. Bucaille concluded that the Qur’an is the reliable word of God. So from which source could the author of the Qur’an have obtained the information that Pharaoh’s body (who was already dead for centuries) was being preserved somewhere in Egypt, when the method of mummification used by the ancient Egyptians was unknown until fairly recently? How could Muhammad (pbuh) predict that the Pharaoh’s body would be discovered centuries after his death as a sign? Furthermore, with no mention of this in the Old or New Testaments, how could Muhammad (pbuh) have copied it from the Bible? Muhamad didnt copy but the books and scrols existed hundred of years before his great grandfather was born! If im correct, then you cannot be sure muhmad didnt copy. If Bible lies, then any single word you pick from it is a lie and you are a liar too. If jewish prophets and Jesus were muslims, y were Christ disciples not muslems? Tel us anoda lie |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 1:00am On Sep 26, 2014 |
Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by mustang44: 4:05pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: MUSTANG44 I AM WAITING OR YOUR RESPONSEYou muslims should blame your self proclaim prophet muhammad for failing to get his records corectly, not to blame it on christianity and judaism. Do not be brainwashed muhammad invented islam. No angel revealed anything to muhammad, muhammad simply dictated the quran that is why alot of false and twisted bible events are found in the quran. Instead of mislims to accept the terrible mistakes muhammad made and find a way to corect it, muslims shamelessly said that the bible is corupt. To show that muhammad was fake, he contradicted the revelations of prophets before him. If the Torah and the Gospel were tampered with by Jews and Christians, then the testimony of the Quran to their authenticity is false. If you say that the Bible was tampered with after Muhammad, that means that the Allah of the Quran did not know that the Bible would be corrupted. Either way, we have to conclude that the Quran is not trustworthy. There were thousands of manuscripts of the Bible in more than one language in the hands of many Jews and Christians. If anyone wanted to corrupt the Bible, he must have access and authority to collect all these manuscripts to corrupt them, and that is next to impossible. The honesty of the Bible declares it never was tampered with. The Bible is absolutely honest. The New Testament ends with these words: F or I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, if any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book (Revelation 22:18,19). To claim that the Bible was corrupted, You muslims have to give satisfactory answers to the following questions: When was the Bible corrupted? Who corrupted the Bible? Why should anybody corrupt the Bible? What portions of the Bible were corrupted? Where is the uncorrupted Bible to give evidence of the corruption of the Bible we have? To prove that the dollar somebody holds is forged, you have to have the authentic dollar to compare it with the forged dollar. The question is, "Do you have the true Bible to compare it with the corrupted Bible?" If the answer is "no," then to claim that the Bible was corrupted is totally false. The truth is that the Bible is the gold standard by which the Quran should be examined. Allah commanded Muhammad, I f thou wert in doubt as to what we have revealed unto thee, then ask those who have been reading the Book [the Bible] from before thee (Surat Yunus 10:94). This means that the Bible is the gold standard by which the Quran should be examined. It is inconceivable that Allah would command Muhammad to seek advice from people who read a corrupted book or a book which could be corrupted! To believe that the Bible is corrupted is to believe a great deception that will hinder you from reading and searching the greatest book in the world - The Holy Bible, the Glorious Word of God. Why do Muslims continually discredit the Bible on grounds that the Qur'an/Koran, though 600 years younger, has not been corrupted like the Bible? Were you aware that Muhammad himself called the Christian Bible (Injeel) "Guidance and Light". Muhammad also commanded the reading of the Christian Bible as part of Islam. Have you read the Christian Bible? Why is the unity of the Qur'an so strongly taught, when historical records prove the contrary? Qur'an 5:46/47 and 43:63; "And in their (earlier prophets) footsteps, We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Taurat (the Jewish Torah), that had come before him: We sent him the Injeel (the Christian Gospel), therein was Guidance and Light. And confirmation of the Taurat ( the Torah), that had come before him: a Guidance and an Admonition to those who fear Allah." "Let the People of the Injeel (the Gospel), judge by what Allah had revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by what Allah had revealed, they are those who rebel." "When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said: 'Now I have come to you with wisdom, in order to make clear to you some of the (points) on which you dispute*; therefore fear Allah and obey me**. For Allah is my God and your God***; so worship you Him****: this is a straight way." Again, below Muhammad attests to the Torah's authority. So, for Muslims to claim the Bible was corrupted is an argument already lost.... n Sura 5:48 we are told that Muhammad is given the Qur'an as a confirmation of the bible; that is - it is meant to prove the bible's authenticity.... In Sura 46:12 we are told.... " Yet before it there was the Book of Moses which was an authority, and a mercy. This (the Qur'an) is the Book confirming it in the Arabic tongue ....." The general opinion and testimony of Muslims that (unlike the Bible as they assert) the Qur'an/Koran is clear and uniform. There are no differing versions and documents. There is but one Qur'an and all Muslims everywhere use the identical text, given word for word by Gabriel to Mohammed who, in turn, recited it to his scribes and companions for recording or memorization. These pieces were collected under the Khalifships of Abu Bakr and Umar by Zaid-ibn-Thabith. When a little later contentions arose between believers because of differing recitations (in prayer), Uthman ordered the text to be edited according to the dialect of the Quraish, and this text is the one before us today. As we shall see, this is not correct - or it is, to say the least, a very romantic concept. We must say here, however, that by "different versions" of the Bible is generally meant various translations, which do indeed have differences in phrasing as any one translation of a certain text has when compared to another translation of the same text - translations of the Qur'an not excepted. Muslims interpret the honesty Christians display about some variant readings of the Bible as weakness and claim that the Qur'an never had more than one version. Any differences, they say, concerned variant dialects only and never affected the meaning of the text. This is definitely incorrect as the following paragraphs will prove. The truth is, the Christian Bible can be nearly reconstructed today from the 24,800 copies of original manuscripts still in existence and the 80,000 quotations from early church fathers. Also, many people who actually walked and talked with Jesus wrote to us about His life. The Christian Gospels were so widely distributed that any attempt to change (add/subtract) something in the Christian Gospels would have resulted in immediate discovery. Muslims should note that nowhere in the Qur'an there is there even a suggestion that the Biblical text has been altered or corrupted. The word "tahrif" is never used with reference to the Bible itself. The Qur'an occasionally accuses the Jews of concealing the truth but it never levels this accusation at Christians. It in no way implies that the text of the Bible has been corrupted. In fact, the Qur'an attests to the validity of the Christian Gospels and the Torah. Jewish scribes painstakingly copied the Torah via a system of checking, double checking and adding each letter on each line. Any attempt to change something in the Torah would have resulted in immediate discovery. This same quality of transmission cannot be said of the Islamic Qur'an. The Islamic Qur'an was written down from 3rd and 4th hand accounts; and from a few thoughts written on scrap papers --and compiled over 150 yrs after Muhammad died in 632 A.D. The oldest Qur'an dates from around 790 A.D. (after Jesus), and it is in the British Library. That's 158 years after Muhammad’s death. Muslims often claim that the manuscript of the Qur'an housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul, Turkey is one of the oldest sources. Muslims say it dates from around 650 A.D. There is an insurmountable problem with this. This document is written in Kufic (also known as al- Khatt al-Kufi) script. Coins in the British Museum show that the first coins using the Kufi |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 5:53pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
mustang44: You muslims should blame your self proclaim prophet muhammad for failing to get his records corectly, not to blame it on christianity and judaism. Do not be brainwashed muhammad invented islam. No angel revealed anything to muhammad, muhammad simply dictated the quran that is why alot of false and twisted bible events are found in the quran. Instead of mislims to accept the terrible mistakes muhammad made and find a way to corect it, muslims shamelessly said that the bible is corupt. To show that muhammad was fake, he contradicted the revelations of prophets before him. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 6:23pm On Sep 26, 2014 |
*before i reply you post @ mustasang you didnt reply to my post u claim quran was copied from bible *u claim mosjid aqsa is a church with those evidence above i think you will agree with me that quran wasnt copied from bible?*before i reply you post @ mustasang you didnt reply to my post u claim quran was copied from bible *u claim mosjid aqsa is a church with those evidence above i think you will agree with me that quran wasnt copied from bible but now u are raising another question i expect u to prove all what i posted above wrong and stand on your claim ? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:47am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Ovacoma: Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus? No. Muslims don't follow the teachings of prophet isah (A.S) Why u may ask. Because. Whenever a prophet is sent by Allah (S.W.T) He brings something new ( a new law) That is different from that of a previous prophet. Muslims will follow the teachings of prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) because He came with a new law (the quran) and also, he is the seal of prophets |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:53am On Sep 27, 2014 |
mustang44: Another big islamic hallucination. There is absolutely nothing concerning muhammad in the bible. No kabba or mecca in the bible too. Muslims are wasting their time looking for anything islamic in the bible, because they are not there. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 12:55am On Sep 27, 2014 |
mustang44: Another big islamic hallucination. There is absolutely nothing concerning muhammad in the bible. No kabba or mecca in the bible too. Muslims are wasting their time looking for anything islamic in the bible, because they are not there. That's the reason why we can't have a fair argument. He has clearly quote a verse from d bible, if u don't believe him, u are to verify by checking d bible for the verse. And if it doesn't rhyme, then u should quote the message u saw on the verse to prove he is wrong. Instead all these abuses |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:25am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Ovacoma: Pls answer my previous questions how you muslims follow Jesus teachings. Do you pray in Jesus name in d mosque as commanded by Jesus? Do you also pray as Jesus taught His disciples to pray 'our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be Thy name, Thy kingdom come........' Matthew 6:9. Do you stil say isa is Jesus?jesus say Mathew 7:21-24 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock” AS YOU CAN SEE JESUS TELL YOU TO PRAY DIRECTLY TO GOD BUT NOT IN HIS NAME but paul has turn everything upside down he said in the name of jesus the blind will see HE SAID WHEN YOU EAT POISON YOU WILL NOT DIE PLS I BEG YOU PLS CALL JESUS NAME AND EAT POISON I HAVE A CLIP HERE A MAN CLAIM HE CAN DO MIRACLE THEN THE VERESE was recited for hin he couldnt eat poison blind man was rought forward he couldnt open his eye the person who cant walk also was brought he couldnt do anything AND AS YOU CAN SEE THIS STATEMENT CONTRADICT PAUL TEACHING Mathew 7:21-24 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock” AND PAUL HAS TELL YOU THE TRUTH THAT HE RECEIVE REEATION FROM SATAN "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure." ( 2Corinthians 12:7 ) (K.J.V.) What does this verse mean please? Messenger of Satan given him the Abundance of Revelations, and torturing him (not to tell the truth) for him to be honoured, glorified and exalted above measure! The messenger of Satan tortured him in order not to tell the truth, if not so, why torture? NON OF YOU PRAY AS JESUS PRAY JESUS ONLY PRAY IN THE NAME OF GOD.......NO CHRISTIAN PRAY AS JESUS RAY AND MIND YOU JESUS IS NOT SON OF GOD HE IS A SERVVANT OR MESSENGER OF GOD CAN ASK FOR PROOF I WILL POST IT |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 7:27am On Sep 27, 2014 |
MuhdG:JAZAKUMULAHU QAIRAN SIR......I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THEIR RESPONSE SINCE BUT THEY KEPT ON DERAILING |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 8:51am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Nobody: 8:52am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: From my experience. When they are beaten, instead of admitting it, they turn the debate into an accusation centre and a platform of insults |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 9:35am On Sep 27, 2014 |
MuhdG:EXACTLY........THERE IS A THREAD I ALSO CREATED THAT JESUS IS NOT LORD THE ONLY THING THEY DO IS TO INSULT............I JUST PRAY MAY GOD GUIDE THEM TO THE TRUE PART |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 9:38am On Sep 27, 2014 |
It is highest level of irresponsibility and a clear demonstration of inferiority complex, if you have to be using the holy book of others to buttress your faith. Believe in whatever you believe and leave the faith of others out of your battle of conviction in your mind, that you are on the right path. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 9:43am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20: If Jesus is not Lord, who bloody cares? Or how has that made Muhammed happier wherever he is? Face your Muhammed and Allah and leave others to their faiths, whether they are worshipping God through Jesus or Sango or Buddha. Respect the faith of others, by facing yours squarely, rather than bad mouthing others faith,just to assuage your complex and to convince your confused mind that you are on in the right path. Religion is personal and is eternal, know that and respect that. Even muhammed did not get all to follow his faith. How much more you? Therefore face your Islam and stop confusing yourself further. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Abdulsalam20(m): 10:31am On Sep 27, 2014 |
superstar1:thanks for the message the main reason why i always post all these post is to educate all these christians creating islamaphobia because they dont even understand what jesus actually taught them |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by superstar1(m): 10:44am On Sep 27, 2014 |
Oo Abdulsalam20: Islamaphobia was created and being fanned by the criminals that have hijacked Islam and using it to perpetrate evil. Such as Al Qaeda, ISIS, Ansaru, Boko Haram etc. Your energy should be channeled towards confronting and defeating this criminals and devilish people that are staining the faith of Islam and killing in the name of the religion. This is 21st century and not 7th century. What was a norm then, is a crime against humanity now. I have always believe that, if the God I am worshipping cannot defend Himself, by doing whatever He likes to.whoever His blaspheming against Him, why should I defend Him. Why should He, the Higher Being, rely on me that I am human to defend Him. If He is waiting for me to defend Him by beheading others for Him or terrorising others or going to war on His behalf, then I am also a God on to myself then. For the people that are saying rubbish about Islam, just because they are islamaphobic, leave them and let God Almighty judge them according to the way He wishes. You cannot defend God, because you are mortal. If Christians do not even understand what Jesus XT taught them, is it you that is reading their bible for argument sake that will now understand it? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 5:18pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
MuhdG:. Who are you, did i ask you a question? Pls go sit down. I say Isa is different from Jesus and i prove it to abdusalam20, i want him to prove otherwise. |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 5:54pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:. Read mathew 18: 5, 18:20. Mark 9:37, 39,41, mark 16:17, Luke 9:48. John 14:13-14, 26, john 15: 16, 23, 24, 26. Back to Matthew 3:21 to 27, Jesus refers to the false prophets that use His name without obeying His words. Jesus gave reasons why He will reject ths group of people. To know why Jesus will reject them, start reading from verse 15, it says 'Beware of false prophets, which cometh to you in sheep clothing, but inwardly, they are ravening wolves'. Read everything to verse 27. Then you will see that these people can even be identified by their actions. Verse 18 says 'a good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit'. Verse 20 says 'wherefore by their fruit ye shall know them'. Then verse 21 to 23 say Jesus will reject the people with evil fruit as He refers to them as workers of 'iniquity'. Jesus does not say those who pray in my name. But, y do yu have to lie to make ur religion authentic? Do you ever read the word of Jesus in Matthew 12: 36 that says 'every idle idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgement? |
| Re: Going To Hajj In The Bible(evidence) by Ovacoma: 6:10pm On Sep 27, 2014 |
Abdulsalam20:Again, can you say a prophet that is involved in mass killing bear good fruit? A prophet that raided and ordered the raiding of caravans, does that prophet bear good fruit? What about a prophet that attack and killed innocent people, even guity people, does that man obey Jesus command that 'he that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her' John 8: 7? Will a good fruit bearer be sleeping with a 9 year old girl, and allowing his followers to rape the girls and women captured in war? No, these are iniquities in the sight of God. |
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