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Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Drusilla(f): 1:27pm On Oct 18, 2006
mamput,

I was wrong. You were right. My apologies. Thanks for the link. I love historical evidence. It was quite interesting to me.

What's not to like about sugar? On the average, modern Americans consume 100 pounds of sugar per year. It's sweet, and it gives a big energy boost. Well, yes, there are calories, cavities, and diabetes, but, in moderation, sugar is harmless , right? In 1700, English consumption empire-wide was about four pounds of sugar per person per year. That certainly seems moderate. Yet in 1700 alone, approximately 25,000 Africans were enslaved and transported across the Atlantic Ocean. Up to two-thirds of these slaves were bound for sugar cane plantations in the Caribbean, Mexico, and Brazil to produce "White Gold." Over the course of the 380 years of the Atlantic slave trade, millions of Africans were enslaved to satisfy the world's sweet tooth. A sugar by-product, molasses, was distilled into rum and sent to Africa to purchase more slaves--this is the infamous Triangle Trade in the history books. Sugar's most bitter legacy is that the labor of slaves fueled the enslavement of even more Africans.

Good article, it opened my eyes about Rum and its role in my own history. Thank you.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Nobody: 4:31pm On Oct 18, 2006
Sista:

@Drusilla


I have experienced Donzman to be not cool. He is very disrespectful and he is much so child like.

I tried to be civil with him one day and tell him about me and why I feel the way I do. He totally disrespected me and then he showed the emails I sent him to Baboisis and Maxwell. How I know is because I forget which one it was Babi or Max, they repeated something to me that I said to him in the email. Babi she has some traitorous and cunning ways. She Maxwell and Donzman, I have seen what they each will resort to in order to prove their point, trickery and disrespect.

Babi tried to get me banned and then she tried to make me look like I was talking to my self by completely modifying 4 post of hers that I had already responded to. Fortunatly I was able to retrieve the quotes and tell everyone to look at the quotes to see that I was not talking to Babi off of the subject. Maxwell, she tried to build a case against me by following me from different topic to topics collecting quotes to post in this discussion to prove that I am a racist. Max, Babi and Donzman have each gone through a desperate ploys to prove their points.

Any way, again Good luck!

modified: who is this Nutter?


Are you alright? Why the hell would I send your e-mails to Babyosi, I don't even have the e-mail address of any of those people. Any smart human being can see through you and what you're thinking, they don't have to read your e-mails.

@Drusilla
If you eat Chinese food, you're taking part in Chinese culture.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Oct 18, 2006
Donzman:

Are you alright? Why the hell would I send your e-mails to Babyosi, I don't even have the e-mail address of any of those people. Any smart human being can see through you and what you're thinking, they don't have to read your e-mails.

@Drusilla
If you eat Chinese food, you're taking part in Chinese culture.

Honestly Sista,jokes apart,I really do feel you have big problem,I have never received emails from anyone on this site.
You've probably known Donzman longer than myself.
first you perceived I was maxell and she were me,now this.
Stop hallucinating or seek help.
I told you sometime ago you had a mental problem and I'm repeating it.


I never tried to get you banned,show me the proof!!.
You've said it twice but I ignored you the first time.
People are trying to have an intelligent conversation and if you have nothing to offer as usual you learn to keep quiet!!
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Nobody: 5:35pm On Oct 18, 2006
@ Drusilla if no African (Nigerians) seems to see the feasibility in your all African republic,what does that tell you?
We have lived and still live in Nigeria and know what works for us.

Take no offence when we prefer you call us Nigerians.
We are brought up with great pride in our Nigerian and various ethnic heritage,our continent is Africa and we have no problems with it.
You have never called your self a North American.
I lived in England and I never heard a briton refer to himself as European,there is no difference.

Personally I prefer to be called an Igbo woman that breaks it down to who I really am.
Africa is much too big.

Lastly your answer that the white man called us savages when he came(your response to why you don't have to live in Naija to say what will work in Naija).
Remember then your ancestors were part of those savages then.
You cannot know and confidently talk of Nigeria without ever setting foot there.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by mamaput(f): 7:08pm On Oct 18, 2006
Maybe you can also googel for Bartalome de las Casas.
Then it was he according to the history i learned that suggested bringing slaves from Africa because the Indians were dying like flies.
I was not able to find the link to the 100 slaves.
These first hundred were bought for test to see if they could survive the fields, and later were giving land and their freedom,
But he was one of the key figures.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 8:31pm On Oct 18, 2006
@Donzman


Are you alright? Why the hell would I send your e-mails to Babyosi, I don't even have the e-mail address of any of those people. Any smart human being can see through you and what you're thinking, they don't have to read your e-mails.


If you did not email Max, Eu nises or Babyosisi, you must have told one of them, they are all the same to me. I forget which one it was, she blurted out exactly what I told you I felt about your character in the email I sent you. I only told you how I felt about your character no one else. So, if not through an email that you told one of them, it must have been told by you in one of these nairaland topic areas. I see how I have went into a few topic areas for the first time and I see that people (babosisi) are bringing me up.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 9:29pm On Oct 18, 2006
@mochafella


um everyone does have roots in Africa according to the Albino == White theory. Is melanin level the determinant of who you consider to be an African


I do not share the European white descending from African Albino theory, I have another theory on that I will not go into.

However, I do believe that white people are Gods last human creation and the year 2006 shows how many years they have been here. We are adhering to a time period that is white ordained, not the original, African ordained. African people are more than 2006 years ancient.

As far as melanin being a determinant. The higher the melanin the higher the roots. We all come from the blackest of the blackest people, even a lighter skin or an Albino original CA. My point for bringing up melanin is because in order to thrive in Africa, you must have melanin because it is very hot. The Albinos they are a result of to much melanin therefore they have no pigment. They are the opposite. But, they come directly from two original African parents, so by default, weather their skin is black, brown or not, they too are African. God allows this defect to happen in my opinion to teach Africans something they have not learned. The bad treatment African Albinos get from their own people is a result of fear on behalf of Albino parents. We don't understand how this could happen, why are we black and this child we had has come out to not look like us at all. Albino children are very much so psychic, they pick up instantly that they are frowned upon. This causes them to develop an unhealthy psychology. That psychology comes from rejection not only by your family but also by society. No matter how light your child is, your child should not be frowned upon because he/she looks different, that child should be treated like the rest of your children. This is a form of self hate, if you don't understand how you could create something that looks different from you, instead of seeing that child as a gift from God, than you will not understand you. If you do not understand you, you fear you and all that you can do.

This in my opinion is why Africans black people as a whole are suffering at the hands of European white people, the people who do not look that different from our African Albino children as far as color is concerned.

The lesson we are supposed to learn from white people is, if we do not love and respect each other, no matter the differences, no one else will love us and respect us and they will show hate towards us along with a lack or respect for us as humans.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by mochafella(m): 9:49pm On Oct 18, 2006
Sista:

This in my opinion is why Africans black people as a whole are suffering at the hands of European white people, the people who do not look that different from our African Albino children as far as color is concerned.

The lesson we are supposed to learn from white people is, if we do not love and respect each other, no matter the differences, no one else will love us and respect us and they will show hate towards us along with a lack or respect for us as humans.
I didn't ask about your thoughts on African suffering, I just want to know who you consider as African. I'd rather we do cloud the question with tangents.

Sista:

As far as melanin being a determinant. The higher the melanin the higher the roots. We all come from the blackest of the blackest people, even a lighter skin or an Albino original CA. My point for bringing up melanin is because in order to thrive in Africa, you must have melanin because it is very hot. The Albinos they are a result of to much melanin therefore they have no pigment. They are the opposite. But, they come directly from two original African parents, so by default, weather their skin is black, brown or not, they too are African.
Am I right in saying you consider melanin as the "preferable" determinant of Africaness? but that even if you do not have melanin i.e. Albinos you are still African if you are from the original African parents?
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 10:01pm On Oct 18, 2006
@Mochafella


I didn't ask about your thoughts on African suffering, I just want to know who you consider as African. I'd rather we do cloud the question with tangents.


You don't have to be so mean and pushy.

I wasn't going on a tangent, I merely said all that in hopes that I didn't have to say in laimens terms that Black people do not accept each other but we accept white people and will call white people more african than our own brothers and sisters. We are all Africans rooted in Africa despite our differences, and that was my point.

Am I right in saying you consider melanin as the "preferable" determinant of Africaness? but that even if you do not have melanin i.e. Albinos you are still African if you are from the original African parents?

African= coming from African parents, having deep African roots, descending from Africans who were also descendants from Africa.

modified: coming from an original African who is from any part of the continent of Africa.

One can grow up in Africa and not be rooted from Africa, that does not make him/or her An African. However, they would be African influenced.

That's all I have to say about the matter, you have your views and I have mine, we can agree to disagree, I really don't care.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by superman(m): 10:08pm On Oct 18, 2006
haha! im nigerian not african!
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 10:16pm On Oct 18, 2006
@Superman

haha! im nigerian not african!


Are you just Nigerian?

Or are you Nigerian European
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by mochafella(m): 10:21pm On Oct 18, 2006
Sista:

I do not share the European white descending from African Albino theory, I have another theory on that I will not go into.
Sista:

African= coming from African parents, having deep African roots, descending from Africans who were also descendants from Africa.
Now I'm actually curious to find out what your theory is, principally because the second quote can be expanded to include every living human if you accede to the current theories of 1)Evolution out of Africa and 2)African Albinos.
What is your theory?

Sista:

You don't have to be so mean and pushy.
Some could say the same about you, you know.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 10:27pm On Oct 18, 2006
@Mochafella


What is your theory?

Im not going to talk about it because my theory can not be backed up by the bible uless you go beyond the bible and it's origins. Not willing to get into a religious human creation arguement. I am just not willing to do that.

Some could say the same about you, you know.


Have I ever been pushy and mean towards you? Don't tell me about what you seen me go through with other people because you don't know the roots of problems I have had with other people. I want to hear from you, when have I ever been mean and pushy towards you? Mochafella his self.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by mochafella(m): 10:50pm On Oct 18, 2006
Sista:

I'm not going to talk about it because my theory can not be backed up by the bible uless you go beyond the bible and it's origins. Not willing to get into a religious human creation arguement. I am just not willing to do that.
Ok

Sista:

Have I ever been pushy and mean towards you? Don't tell me about what you seen me go through with other people because you don't know the roots of problems I have had with other people. I want to hear from you, when have I ever been mean and pushy towards you? Mochafella his self.
You do have a profile along with your previous posts and your "combatants" have the same. We have had this argument about tones of address before. Its not something I intend to get into though it obviously interests you.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 11:07pm On Oct 18, 2006
@mochafella



Its not something I intend to get into though it obviously interests you.

I'm not really interested all like that. Please do not turn this around. I only asked you to tell me of the problem you had with me because I don't remeber having a problem with you. It is obvious that you have a problem other wise you would not have said this below,

Some could say the same about you, you know.

When you make a statement like that, you should back it up with your own experience of me, not from what you see me write to other people in my post. As I said, you don't know the roots of what I go through with other people here.

But, as I can see, your trying to turn this into a big issue, not in the mood for that. What you said in the post about people passing up my baby because of me, and then what you said here, clearly shows you are looking to provoke me to show you what you feel is my true colors, don't have time for your kiddy games.

If you want to talk to me about my issues, talk straight to me instead of dropping hints here and there. Only to deny the hints you drop after I nicely confront you about them.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by chinani(f): 11:20pm On Oct 18, 2006
@Drusilla

I have been criticized for knowing a certain class of Africans who are treated as royalty in America because they are part of the class that America brings here to train to go back and take over a country.
I'm confused by this statement. Are you saying that Africans criticize you for knowing rich Africans?


The idea of the class system being dead, is that you can collect enough dollars to be thought of like the Rockefellers. You can go from country girl to Oprah Winfrey richest woman in the world. Or from housewife to Martha Stewart. Or from trailer to the whitehouse like Bill Clinton. Or be a college drop out to richest man in the world- Bill Gates.

That is why the class system is dead not because people are never treated differently. It is just that there is an awareness that you may be talking to the next big person.
None of this information disproves the American class system. For starters, Oprah is not friends with the Rockfellers and probably could not belong to their country club if she tried. She did not have the same educational or professional opportunities because of the class system not despite it. Class works to exclude the majority of resources (incl. opportunities). Oprah succeeded inspite of the existence of a class system not b/c of a non-existent class system.

America will continue to have high illiteracy, high teen pregnancy, high unemployment and lack adequate health care (in comparison to the rest of the industrialized world) b/c people are too stuck on nonsense to represent their economic interests!

CLASS MATTERS. Bill Gates is a Richie b/c his family was UPPER (very high upper) MIDDLE/lower upper class. Even he will tell you that.

From the projects to what is considered musical royalty--Jackson Family. From welfare reciepient to judge on TV, or Rap Star.

That is why the class system is dead not because people are never treated differently. It is just that there is an awareness that you may be talking to the next big person.

If it is a myth, somebody needs to inform JayZ that the 360 million he is now worth, isn't really the money of a boy who grew up on welfare cheese.
As for the entertainers, well they are just that, entertainers, they are still the proletariat. I don't think the Jackson's even own their own Masters. But really, I hate to speak of the Jackson's; I consider them a portrait of Black Self Hate so I will say no more.

As for Jay-Z. He is just another worker bee. There's the theorist, Gramci who says that the 'ruling class' rules by enslaving the thoughts of man not his body. In other words, the ruling class indoctrinates the proletariat (working class). Jay Z is a classic case of this. He 'made it' and the best he can do is rep Roberto Cavelli and other white status (i.e. class) symbols. If anything, he reinforces (a white class structure) to black people. He's a useful idiot (along w/ other rappers/athletes) as far as I'm concerned.

The success of these "make it good" icons is comprable to a the success of a few streams of river water making it throw a dam (by decree of the 'dam watcher') in order to preserve the structural integrity of the dam (class system) itself.

If anything the commodification of our lives (or is it self-esteem) is the true American Pathology.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by delf747(m): 11:56pm On Oct 18, 2006
Drusilla:

"All people systems" simply refers to systems that involve the control of people.

Educational institutions is a people system
Philosophy is a  people system
Religion is a people system

Example of non-people systems:

birds flying south for the winter
Bears hibernating in the winter
bees pollanating flowers

Drusilla,

But don't these 'systems' cross over?

How are Native American cultures "people systems" when they depend upon nature, i.e. "non-people systems" for much of their knowledge and reasoning?

Are you saying nature is "non-human"?

Are you saying humans are not part of nature?
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Nobody: 12:28am On Oct 19, 2006
@Sista

Are you nuts? I didn't tell anyone anything about the e-mails you sent me, I don't have that kind of time. I already told you, your motives are easily detected.

@Drusilla

One of the biggest mistakes anyone will make is bringing a people together to form a nation without considering the differences in cultural values.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 2:22am On Oct 19, 2006
@Somegirl

I do understand playing around. Sweetlove was the one who started it, now your going to keep it goiong wink

Somegirl, scheinen Sie wie ein nettes Mädchen. Ich bin bereit zu beginnen, Sie zu kennen, wenn Sie bereit sind zu beginnen, mich zu kennen. Halten Sie im Verstand, them ich versuche, zu erlernen von den weißen Leuten, wie sie an schwarze Leute denken und das ist, was ich von Ihnen erlernen möchte. Ich bedeute, ich spreche realen harten Kern erlernend, nicht dieser Leichtgewichtler, der vom Wahrheit Lernen ängstlich ist. Ich möchte nicht erlernen, daß sie vom Braun, das schwarzes people.I riecht, erste Handerfahrung von Ihnen möchte. Glauben Sie ihr oder nicht, ich haben weiße Freunde, die sagen, daß sie die guten sind. Sie können, ich glaube, aber sie zu den supress mein Denken versuchen. Supressing ich wird nicht helfen, den Abstand zu füllen. Mit Ihnen ehrlich sein, die weißen Freunde, die ich habe, sind sie in der Ablehnung und sie scheinen wirklich, egoistisch zu sein. Ich schätze, daß der Grund, warum ich sie meine freinds nenne, ist, weil ein Teil von mir wirklich für sie traurig fühlt.

PS, weiß ich, daß die zwei braunen nosers AKA als Münder, sie zum Aufstellungsort gehen werden, den Sie mich gaben und habe dieses intepreted. Dank für das Erklären mir über den Aufstellungsort. Er war, mir mindestens eine Woche zu dauern, um einen Einfluß meines firend zu erhalten, das Deutsches mit intepret spricht was Sie zu Mamaput sagten, Sie scheinen, herzlichst ehrlich zu sein, mindestens jetzt Sie do.LOL
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by chinani(f): 2:49am On Oct 19, 2006
@Sista https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-23185.480.html#msg662284
Ok, now that I've heard more of the story I see how you had a negative reaction. Sounds dramatic (in a bad way). If you felt (vibes) that the hairdresser didn't like AA people/women I can't argue with that b/c I believe in vibes (good/bad energy). I just hope you don't stop giving people a chance b/c of a negative experience.

I don't think the Fulani background had anything to do with the woman's reaction. As you said, the AA woman "provoked the argument" (sic). In my opinion, they both behaved badly or rather neither behaved well/level headed.

As far as "getting out of control in her place of business" some subscribe to the notion that if you can't vent on your property then where can you vent? I think the Fulani woman prolly felt her back against the wall. Based on your response it sounds to me like you didn't go back b/c the Fulani lady lacked professionalism not b/c of any African/AA conflict. Just a thought.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 3:04am On Oct 19, 2006
@Chinani


Ok, now that I've heard more of the story I see how you had a negative reaction. Sounds dramatic (in a bad way). If you felt (vibes) that the hairdresser didn't like AA people/women I can't argue with that b/c I believe in vibes (good/bad energy). I just hope you don't stop giving people a chance b/c of a negative experience.

No, I would not give people a chance because of one bad expreience. The Fulani woman and the Somali woman, they are still my people but I will not be sitting up getting my hair done, not liking it and not saying anything because I don't want them to think I was like the other AA woman. I have to be able to speak my mind, after all, I'm paying my money. I work hard for my money and I will not be letting the way people think cause me to waist my money. Therefore, if I ever have to get my hair done again outside of my regular braider, I will not be going back to that shop. However, I don't have a problem with trying out some other sisters.

don't think the Fulani background had anything to do with the woman's reaction. As you said, the AA woman "provoked the argument" (sic). In my opinion, they both behaved badly or rather neither behaved well/level headed.

Okay, well I was wondering if you did know Fulani backgroud because I didn't want you to say that I was jumping to conclusion and making assumptions. And, yes as I said, they both behaved badly. It takes two.

As far as "getting out of control in her place of business" some subscribe to the notion that if you can't vent on your property then where can you vent? I think the Fulani woman prolly felt her back against the wall. Based on your response it sounds to me like you didn't go back b/c the Fulani lady lacked professionalism not b/c of any African/AA conflict. Just a thought.

Yes, it was her property but she still has to conduct her self properly. It is a place of business which will bring her in money. She lost me as a customer, sh will no longer be getting my money because now I get the feeling that I can not tell her the truth, that I don't like my hair, with hopes that she will happily fix it, do you see what I am saying? If I do have teh nerve to complain, she will think I am a bad AA woman like the last one who provoked the arguement. To prevent from that happening, I will just find another place I can build a new relationship with.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 3:11am On Oct 19, 2006
@Chinani


Ok, now that I've heard more of the story I see how you had a negative reaction. Sounds dramatic (in a bad way). If you felt (vibes) that the hairdresser didn't like AA people/women I can't argue with that b/c I believe in vibes (good/bad energy).  I just hope you don't stop giving people a chance b/c of a negative experience.

No, I would not give people a chance because of one bad expreience. The Fulani woman and the Somali woman, they are still my people but I will not be sitting up getting my hair done, not liking it and not saying anything because I don't want them to think I was like the other AA woman. I have to be able to speak my mind, after all, I'm paying my money. I work hard for my money and I will not be letting the way people think cause me to waist my money.  Therefore, if I ever have to get my hair done again outside of my regular braider, I will not be going back to that shop. However, I don't have a problem with trying out some other sisters.  

don't think the Fulani background had anything to do with the woman's reaction. As you said, the AA woman "provoked the argument" (sic). In my opinion, they both behaved badly or rather neither behaved well/level headed.

Okay, well I was wondering if you did know Fulani backgroud because I didn't want you to say that I was jumping to conclusion and making assumptions. And, yes as I said, they both behaved badly. It takes two.

As far as "getting out of control in her place of business" some subscribe to the notion that if you can't vent on your property then where can you vent? I think the Fulani woman prolly felt her back against the wall. Based on your response it sounds to me like you didn't go back b/c the Fulani lady lacked professionalism not b/c of any African/AA conflict. Just a thought.

I'm not going back because of both, professionlism and the fact that she argues with her customers in front of other customers. Customers that see that she is capable of arguing with a customer, will get the impression that in certain issues concerning their hair, they will not be able to discuss it with their hair dresser. In this case the hair dresser would be the fulani woman.

Yes, it was her property but she still has to conduct her self properly. It is a place of business which will bring her in money. She lost me as a customer, she will no longer be getting my money because now I get the feeling that I can not tell her the truth, that I don't like my hair, with hopes that she will happily fix it, do you see what I am saying? If I do have the nerve to complain, I get the impression that in her mind, she will see me as a bad AA woman like the last one who provoked the arguement. To prevent from that happening, I will just find another place I can build a new relationship with.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Drusilla(f): 5:05am On Oct 19, 2006
I'm confused by this statement. Are you saying that Africans criticize you for knowing rich Africans?

African American socialists or communists.

None of this information disproves the American class system. For starters, Oprah is not friends with the Rockfellers and probably could not belong to their country club if she tried.

Put Oprah and the Rockefellers in your search engine, same social set and circle. Not being personal friends with them doesn't prove the American class system either.

She did not have the same educational or professional opportunities because of the class system not despite it. Class works to exclude the majority of resources (incl. opportunities). Oprah succeeded inspite of the existence of a class system not b/c of a non-existent class system.

Well, of course your right. All Black people in America succeed by force of will and ambition. Trying to get into the big house by being favored went out with the harlem renaissance. (when rich whites sponsored black poets and singers).

America will continue to have high illiteracy, high teen pregnancy, high unemployment and lack adequate health care (in comparison to the rest of the industrialized world) b/c people are too stuck on nonsense to represent their economic interests!

I agree with that but as one who belongs to the group whose teen pregnancy has just dropped back to the rate of the 1950's, while others stayed the same or got worse, whose high unemployment is merely 10 percent and whose high illiteracy is dropping also and really high semi-illiteracy. I think not representing their interests rest with "other" Americans, not my particular subset group of Americans.

CLASS MATTERS. Bill Gates is a Richie b/c his family was UPPER (very high upper) MIDDLE/lower upper class. Even he will tell you that.

Bill Gates denies the rumor that he recieved a million dollar trust fund. He went to good schools and was lucky but not that lucky. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gates,_Bill


The success of these "make it good" icons is comprable to a the success of a few streams of river water making it throw a dam (by decree of the 'dam watcher') in order to preserve the structural integrity of the dam (class system) itself.

I agree but like Jessie Jackson says: Keep hope alive.

If anything the commodification of our lives (or is it self-esteem) is the true American Pathology.

I refer to America as the Walmart nation, with a walmart religion, a walmart educational system, etc, etc. One big shopping center. We are definitely the foremost people dedicated to the God of Mammon. And he is ruthless in killing us for our greed, alienating us.

I definitely agree here.

Eze 28:4 With your wisdom and with your understanding you have made riches for yourselves, and have worked gold and silver into your treasuries.

Eze 28:5 By your great wisdom and by your trade you have multiplied your riches, and your heart is lifted up because of your riches.

Eze 28:10 You shall die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers. For I have spoken, says the Lord Jehovah.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by nferyn(m): 10:16am On Oct 19, 2006
Chinani,

As usual you go directly to the heart of the problem
chinani:

None of this information disproves the American class system. For starters, Oprah is not friends with the Rockfellers and probably could not belong to their country club if she tried. She did not have the same educational or professional opportunities because of the class system not despite it. Class works to exclude the majority of resources (incl. opportunities). Oprah succeeded inspite of the existence of a class system not b/c of a non-existent class system.
It's not because the class system works in far more subtle ways than in the past, that it doesn't exist. The usueful exceptions - such as Oprah - only reinforce the myth of the American dream, the from rags to riches illusion.

chinani:

America will continue to have high illiteracy, high teen pregnancy, high unemployment and lack adequate health care (in comparison to the rest of the industrialized world) b/c people are too stuck on nonsense to represent their economic interests!
Such as all those Fox-watching evangelicals that went out to support Bush during the last presidential election. Voting against their interests

chinani:

CLASS MATTERS. Bill Gates is a Richie b/c his family was UPPER (very high upper) MIDDLE/lower upper class. Even he will tell you that.
As for the entertainers, well they are just that, entertainers, they are still the proletariat. I don't think the Jackson's even own their own Masters. But really, I hate to speak of the Jackson's; I consider them a portrait of Black Self Hate so I will say no more.
And how many of these squander their weath in ill-conceived illusions of grandeur? Trying to fit into a class they will never be accepted in? Approprating the external symbols of wealth while still being excluded from the upper class. Rich they are, wealthy most definitely not.

chinani:

As for Jay-Z. He is just another worker bee. There's the theorist, Gramci who says that the 'ruling class' rules by enslaving the thoughts of man not his body. In other words, the ruling class indoctrinates the proletariat (working class). Jay Z is a classic case of this. He 'made it' and the best he can do is rep Roberto Cavelli and other white status (i.e. class) symbols. If anything, he reinforces (a white class structure) to black people. He's a useful idiot (along w/ other rappers/athletes) as far as I'm concerned.
Maybe he's the real modern day image of Uncle Tom? Not to me to decide, but it very much looks that way

chinani:

The success of these "make it good" icons is comprable to a the success of a few streams of river water making it throw a dam (by decree of the 'dam watcher') in order to preserve the structural integrity of the dam (class system) itself.
If anything, the US has got the least social mobility of all industrialised countries. A recent study by the London School of Economics just shows that much.

chinani:

If anything the commodification of our lives (or is it self-esteem) is the true American Pathology.
Yes and many Americans considere the customary yearly 6-8 weeks of Holiday in Europe as [i]pathological [/i]laziness. Sad really.
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by somegirl(f): 11:52pm On Oct 19, 2006
Oh, Sista. Danke für deinen Brief. I'll try to answer you over the week-end (in more detail). But, yes, I think it would be nice to get to know you better. I still have to read your letter over again because I'm not sure if I am understanding everything. So bear with me!
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Sista(f): 12:59am On Oct 20, 2006
@Somegirl


No problem wink
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Uche2nna(m): 1:05am On Oct 20, 2006
Pls is dat German undecided undecided
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by maxell(f): 3:30pm On Oct 20, 2006
This is another thread people on this thread might be interested in.

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-26636.32.html#msg666560
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by somegirl(f): 3:44pm On Oct 20, 2006
@Uche2nna: Yes, it is. I said to Sista "thanks for your post". If you want to understand her own post, try http://babelfish.altavista.com. I'm sorry I can't give you a fish, but maybe this fishing method is even better. wink
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Uju4eva(f): 11:40pm On Oct 20, 2006
damn
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by Uche2nna(m): 12:50am On Oct 21, 2006
somegirl:

@Uche2nna: Yes, it is. I said to Sista "thanks for your post". If you want to understand her own post, try http://babelfish.altavista.com. I'm sorry I can't give you a fish, but maybe this fishing method is even better. wink
Yeah.Thx a lot grin grin
Re: What Is Wrong With Dating Or Marrying An African American Man? by somegirl(f): 5:17pm On Oct 22, 2006
Sista, mhm, I'm glad you wish to get to know me better. Just remember that all my mistakes just belong to myself. grin

"[---] die zwei braunen nosers AKA als Münder [---]": I still don't really get that but it does not sound like a compliment to me. sad

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