petres_007:

@ttalks,

Haba! Haba!  

Me I will tell your teasher for you o! You kannot efen spell "wonaful" enh?  

How you dey o?  

Haba petres, I just dey imitate one American girl wey i see for one old book; Famous five.
She no fit say wonderful.
Na so so "wunnerful" she dey talk.

I am fine as always.
Only work is pressing.

Gaminechic:

Hi Kunle.

Got back to Nairaland and saw this,
well me i have also completely stopped going to "church" except on invite/force/trying to avoid giving anyone heartattacks

Reactions;

You need deliverance
Are you a muslim?
Are you an Atheist?
Is it that you just hate God

and all sorts of Questions. .i seriously cannot bear to listen to what is being preached
so i end up reading a book or Tweeting in the church auditorium (which on one occasion nearly got me thrown out by security. ha! and my phone ceased).

I went to a "Care group" fellowship type of thingy yesterday and they were discussing about Functions in the body of christ
everything they said was related to their particular church being the "body" i could only shake my head

I just cannot relate, i tried to start a healthy discussion about this, but about four members just shut me down. .haa, no more


Rebellion from where to where?
Jesus didnt institute a "church"
Believers are the body and thats the short and long of it.
Which gathering? Did the bible say how many should gather at a time or where they ought to gather?

Is this Gamine? What happened changed your user name/ got banned? how have you been? Miss your posts on this forum. Thanx for your contribution at the end of the day every one would work out his own salvation, defintely not your church or pastor that is going to save you.

Thanks

Changed my Username,

at the end of the day every one would work out his own salvation,
definitely not your church or pastor that is going to save you.

Simply true. A simple truth

ttalks:



Haba petres, I just dey imitate one American girl wey i see for one old book; Famous five.
She no fit say wonderful.
Na so so "wunnerful" she dey talk.

I am fine as always.
Only work is pressing.

Copy Copy!

Do take care!

fayahsoul:

"God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods" psalm 82:1

"And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden." gen 3: 8

Now, how the hell can an omnipresent being be every where and one place at the same time? If every thing came from God almighty how then can he exist outside of himself? how can he be formless and have form at same time? He created the whole universe but can walk on earth like an earthling? And if he can walk on earth and talk to people then he is not a sole authority, his authority can be contested.

Look, you cretins, the God of the bible are woolly haired, dark skinned afurakan geneticist who grafted the european from human and ape. That's why indo-europeans have fur not hair(u don't see animals with woolly hair), they lack melanin like shaved monkeys, some are born with tails(spina bifida), they have large ears, thin lips and flat butts like apes and they're the most savage and inhumane.

Remember: "Ye are Gods!" -john 10: 34.

FAYAHSOUL

Look properly at the verse of scripture, it says the 'VOICE' of God came walking in the garden!

All your questions are and comments are valid. But you see;

THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM GOD!

HE CAN DO WHATEVER HE WANTS,

GO WHEREVER HE WANTS,

HOWEVER HE WANTS,

AND IN WHATEVER FORMS HE CHOOSES.

HEY KUNLE I AM HAPPY FOR YOUR FREEDOM AT LAST OOOO, YOU'RE NO LONGER A DONOR VICTIM TO JETS AND PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES AGAIN,

YOUR CHURCH IS NOT A BUILDING NOR A DENOMINATION THAT FOLLOWS THE WAYS OF ITS FOUNDERS, ITS JUST THE PERSONAL REALIZATION OF WHOM GOD IS TO YOU,NO MATTER HOW AGAINST ALL TEACHINGS,


I rest my case,

Hmmmm an Ifa person just congratulated Kunle. Hmmm we can read btw the lines

fyneguy:

Hmmmm an Ifa person just congratulated Kunle. Hmmm we can read btw the lines

Oga fyneguy, Mind you im a dedicated christian that doesnt neccesarily have to move in the direction of my pastor, And as for IFABABA Thats just a stage name and besides who says there are no ifa worshippers that their ways and intents are far better than our average christian's,

Dont be judgmental Bro na God know who dey serve am,

I rest my case

@Ifababa

Oga fyneguy, Mind you im a dedicated christian

I thought you are going to say you are born-again. Did your dedication come as a result of your personal encounter with christ? You know we have a lot of religious people around.

petres_007:

@sleekmike,

I really don;t understand this kind of thing o!

My question is, did you read the post at all?

Where did the poster say he has left his faith?

Biblically speaking, what do you think heresy means? Maybe I'll just briefly talk about this heresy issue.

Below is a "dictionary" definition for the word/term "heresy" which I got from Wikitionary.com:

Heresy meant deliberate departure from the accepted doctrines of the church. It was intellectual and spiritual dissent and concerned the beliefs of Christianity, not the morals of its adherents.

Now biblically, heresy simply means/meant beliefs/doctrines that contradicts the scriptures i.e. Anything that Jesus or the apostles didn't teach as christian doctrine. Why is that so hard to understand?

One of the things the poster said in his initial post was that he was not aware of any church in Nigeria today that still taught the things that Jesus and his apostles did. He did not say he was abandoning going to church altogether. But that to the extent that he didn't know of any church that still rightly divided the word of truth, he was going to stop attending church. In my understanding, that was what he meant. And guess what? The bible instructs christians to stay away from anyone or any group who teach(es) anything different from what the apostles handed down. The scriptures command us to "test everything, and hold on to what is good". And I agree with the poster scriptures on this.

Now I know that most christians may not have a problem with that, as they still hold Jesus and the apostles in high regard. Thank God for that at least! Though if truth be told, "christians" would rather hold on to what their GOs or pastors tell them, than what the bible says. But lets assume for now, that christians know that they should hold the word of God as superior to what any man says, be he a GO, reverend, his most eminence, bishop or pastor.

But have you ever taken time to actually compare today's various forms of christianity with the scriptural accounts of what Jesus and his apostles actually taught? Jesus did say it is the truth that sets makes one free. I challenge you to take it upon yourself (in obedience to the scriptures) and do a proper/objective study of the bible for yourself, then compare it with most of our churches' (including your church's) doctrines and practices. God helping you, you'll be shocked at what you'll find.

Secondly, the poster gave tithing as one yardstick for choosing which church he could attend, that he cannot attend any church that still enforced tithing. The reason is very simple. Any church that still enforces tithing (some have now advanced to the level of attaching salvation to it  ), sincerely does not understand Christianity, or is deliberately deceiving and milking people (since they'd rather be spoon fed with poison rather than do their homework, and study the scriptures for themselves)!

You also mentioned that the church is a "hospital for sinners". Good! How many churches today do you know of, that preach against sin and forgiveness of sins and salvation in Jesus Christ? [/b]How many? And this is such an essential part of biblical Christianity! Instead, we have churches today, that are as they say, "seeker-sensitive", "relevant", "motivational".

Let me share something with you. Just yesterday I was in UNILAG campus and was about to take a cab to another part of the campus where I was going to, when a young man walked up to me and handed me a handbill, an invitation to his church. Being a web-savvy person I quickly asked if the church had a website, so I can know more about their beliefs etc. He said they did, and showed me the URL there on the handbill (it was in very small lettering). So I visited their site when I got home. And here's what I found on their about us page:

[b]HERE IT IS!
A church where you can be rest assured of worshipping God with absolute peace of mind. We all agree many people are concerned about “churches” these days.

THINK ABOUT IT!
With regards to many churches…

•Sermons are hardly relevant to your needs in these tense, challenging and fast-paced     times [color=#006600]([size=5pt]I like this one[/size]  )
•Many churches make ‘miraculous' claims that are suspect in origin ([size=5pt]which is true[/size] )
•You wonder why the proliferation of churches is not leading to positive changes in the society ([size=5pt]the gospel wasn't meant to change society, but the souls of men[/size])
•You feel the ‘New Generation' churches seem more interested in your pocket than in you [size=5pt](which is true, and by the way, as if they are not )  [/size]

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO ENJOY CHURCH!  

CORNER CORNER CHURCH OF CHRIST is a church specifically structured to serve your peculiar needs in these rapidly changing times. The abundant testimonies of "changed lives" ([size=5pt]not the scriptures[/size]  ) in the congregation validate that fact.

At CORNER CORNER CHURCH OF CHRIST , you will enjoy:

•An atmosphere electrified by friendly, vibrant people like you 
•Practical, positive messages that will motivate and encourage you every week 
•Trustworthy friends ready to accept you just as you are 
•Soul-lifting gospel music performed with an unmistakable touch of excellence (hope I don't need a ticket to get in  )
•Raising your young ones up in a Godly manner under the care of our devoted Children's Sunday School Staff

DISCOVER THE DIFFERENCE THIS SUNDAY!
We invite you to worship with us this Sunday (church service time) and experience a new dimension of heaven on earth.
Discover the uniqueness!

Sincerely,
Reverend Lagbaja & Mrs Lagbaja
(Senior Pastors)



Of course, I changed the names of the church, pastors and added a few comments & smilies in between. By the way, I have to commend them for their branding & marketing skills sha. I'm wondering why Jesus and his apostles didn't have these skills 

This is just a mild example of the rampant kind of crossless Christianity being peddled about today. I didn't see anything that looked like the gospel, as presented in the New Testament by the apostles, throughout their site.

I agree with the poster scriptures that churches of today are a marked departure of what Jesus and the apostles taught.   If you disagree, thats fine. Just have the courage to study your bible objectively (setting aside your preconceived notions about christianity and your sentiments).

And I agree with the scriptures' instructions to stay away from such people/groups. 

Gbam!! I couldnt agree more!

Well i must report myself again to this forum, i was in "church" again yesterday i attended the church petres_007 invited me to last week and i must report again it was really a breath of fresh air. Infact for the first time in a very long time i was actually looking forward to going to church and in attending it i was truely blessed. I was able to learn a lot unlike before when i found a lot of loop holes in the shallow dogmatic sermons which now pervade most of our churches. One of the reasons i wanted to stop going to church was becos i wasn't learning or gaining any thing but with crown bible church it is really different, here the truth is not only being spoken it is being practised. With that i might just rescind on the decision i made at the beginning of this thread and become a regular member of this church. Once again thanx to petres_007 for extending me the invitation.

KunleOshob:

Well i must report myself again to this forum, i was in "church" again yesterday i attended the church petres_007 invited me to last week and i must report again it was really a breath of fresh air. Infact for the first time in a very long time i was actually looking forward to going to church and in attending it i was truely blessed. I was able to learn a lot unlike before when i found a lot of loop holes in the shallow dogmatic sermons which now pervade most of our churches. One of the reasons i wanted to stop going to church was becos i wasn't learning or gaining any thing but with crown bible church it is really different, here the truth is not only being spoken it is being practised. With that i might just rescind on the decision i made at the beginning of this thread and become a regular member of this church. Once again thanx to petres_007 for extending me the invitation.

Means I might get to meet you then - when I finally find time to get to church.

ttalks:

Means I might get to meet you then - when I finally find time to get to church.

look forward to meeting you then

After the fire & brimstone sermon (on the flesh) yesterday, I didn't think, [Just joking]

KunleOshob:

Well i must report myself again to this forum, i was in "church" again yesterday i attended the church petres_007 invited me to last week and i must report again it was really a breath of fresh air. Infact for the first time in a very long time i was actually looking forward to going to church and in attending it i was truely blessed. I was able to learn a lot unlike before when i found a lot of loop holes in the shallow dogmatic sermons which now pervade most of our churches. One of the reasons i wanted to stop going to church was becos i wasn't learning or gaining any thing but with crown bible church it is really different, here the truth is not only being spoken it is being practised. With that i might just rescind on the decision i made at the beginning of this thread and become a regular member of this church. Once again thanx to petres_007 for extending me the invitation.

You're welcome!!

Hope those who were accusing you of "desertion" are happy now.

davidylan:

Gbam!! I couldnt agree more!

Always good to know there are others out there who have the courage to hold on to, and contend for what the poster our pastors/leaders Jesus & the apostles handed down.

ttalks:

Means I might get to meet you then - when I finally find time to get to church.

@ttalks try you hear? E no easy. E don tey small o!

ifababa:


HEY KUNLE I AM HAPPY FOR YOUR FREEDOM AT LAST OOOO, YOU'RE NO LONGER A DONOR VICTIM TO JETS AND PRIVATE UNIVERSITIES AGAIN

How in the world did I miss this before 

This is so so funny!!!!

dexmond:

@Ifababa
I thought you are going to say you are born-again. Did your dedication come as a result of your personal encounter with christ? You know we have a lot of religious people around.

Dexmond, You sound so conventional that i might just conclude that you yourself have'nt the knowledge of what you're saying,

Born again just simply means a change of attitude,personal realisation of yourself or a particular behavioural pattern you believe you should change from to the one you think is a better one, which is of course RESPECTIVE, YOU shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH{ Which you know, not your pastor's truth} shall set you FREE,

TRUTH is an ELUSIVE concept, IT DIFFERS, Your's is different from mine, The TRUTH you knew yesterday is different from the one you know today and thats why our perception of a particular thing changes.Because there is an added knowledge of that same thing,
Thats why your best food 20 years ago might not be the same today,your choice of girl,beer,wears e.t.c

Our truth can never be the same,,,and thats the part your pastor wont tell unless you because he wants you restricted within his own confinements,

And thats why the religious view of an average CHRIST EMBASSIER is like CHRIS OYAKILOME's ,an average REDEEMER'S like BABA ADEBOYE, an average CANANN LANDER'S like OYEDEPO, DEEPER LIFER'S the same way, I hope you now see what i'm talking about,

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIND YOUR OWN TRUTH MR DEXMOND,

I rest my case,

KunleOshob:

Well i must report myself again to this forum, i was in "church" again yesterday i attended the church petres_007 invited me to last week and i must report again it was really a breath of fresh air. Infact for the first time in a very long time i was actually looking forward to going to church and in attending it i was truely blessed. I was able to learn a lot unlike before when i found a lot of loop holes in the shallow dogmatic sermons which now pervade most of our churches. One of the reasons i wanted to stop going to church was becos i wasn't learning or gaining any thing but with crown bible church it is really different, here the truth is not only being spoken it is being practised. With that i might just rescind on the decision i made at the beginning of this thread and become a regular member of this church. Once again thanx to petres_007 for extending me the invitation.

THIS THREAD CAN NOWW BE CLOSED. Kunle don't come back complaining. I'm sure you will still find "unchristian" behaviour among members in this new church soon or later.

_{THERE WILL BE NOTHING AS A PERFECT CHURCH UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD}

Hi kunleosho:
Your feeling is reasonable but yu will need to be very careful not to throw away the baby with the bath water.
Christs disciples were called christian at antioch, not by Jesus Christ or fellow believers but by the unbelievers that observed them to be living like little christs.
Church was first mentioned by Jesus Christ and it has nothing to do with the buildings. Don't you worship God in your room (quiet time), on the road etc? The buildings are just accommodation for human beings that gathered together to shield them from rain and sunshine and possibly to secure their equipments like electronics, files etc.
You may quit going into the buildings but do not forsake the assembly of God's people (fellow believers).
'Upon this rock I build my church (not a denomination) and the gate of hell shall not prevail against it'. Have you ever identified the cathedral Jesus built? He was not talking about pilling bricks and blocks together neither did the Apostles.
The church are believers in a location no matter how scattered they are in the various groups called denominations. One Father, One Lord Jesus, One faith, One shepherd. Your faith and commitment is to God in Christ and not to any denomination. Do not let any body else discourage you from your relationship with God.

Mowire:

THIS THREAD CAN NOWW BE CLOSED. Kunle don't come back complaining. I'm sure you will still find "unchristian" behaviour among members in this new church soon or later.

_{THERE WILL BE NOTHING AS A PERFECT CHURCH UNTIL THE COMING OF THE LORD}

wait until the pastor wears blue shirt and tie when saint kunle expects him to be in white shirt and tie

@Ifababa

Dexmond, You sound so conventional that i might just conclude that you yourself have'nt the knowledge of what you're saying,

  Born again just simply means a change of attitude,personal realisation of yourself or a particular behavioural pattern you believe you should change from to the one you think is a better one, which is of course RESPECTIVE,  YOU shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH{ Which you know, not your pastor's truth}  shall set you FREE,

TRUTH is an ELUSIVE concept, IT DIFFERS, Your's is different from mine, The TRUTH you knew yesterday is different from the one you know today and thats why our perception of a particular thing changes.Because there is an added knowledge of that same thing,
Thats why your best food 20 years ago might not be the same today,your choice of girl,beer,wears e.t.c

Our truth can never be the same,,,and thats the part your pastor wont tell unless you because he wants you restricted within his own confinements,

And thats why the religious view of an average CHRIST EMBASSIER  is like CHRIS OYAKILOME's ,an average REDEEMER'S  like  BABA  ADEBOYE, an average CANANN LANDER'S like OYEDEPO, DEEPER LIFER'S  the same way, I hope you now see what i'm talking about,

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIND YOUR OWN TRUTH MR DEXMOND,

I rest my case,

Someone once said that "truth is the end of inquiry" . I have an experiencial knowledge of the "Truth", therefore I don't need to continue searching.

Find time to read how Stanley Petrowski found the Truth ( He worked with Mark and Elizabeth Prophet of Summit Ligth House) here http://www.breadsite.org/testimonies/in1100n.htm It's interesting.

ifababa:


Dexmond, You sound so conventional that i might just conclude that you yourself have'nt the knowledge of what you're saying,

  Born again just simply means a change of attitude,personal realisation of yourself or a particular behavioural pattern you believe you should change from to the one you think is a better one, which is of course RESPECTIVE,  YOU shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH{ Which you know, not your pastor's truth}  shall set you FREE,

TRUTH is an ELUSIVE concept, IT DIFFERS, Your's is different from mine, The TRUTH you knew yesterday is different from the one you know today and thats why our perception of a particular thing changes.Because there is an added knowledge of that same thing,
Thats why your best food 20 years ago might not be the same today,your choice of girl,beer,wears e.t.c

Our truth can never be the same,,,and thats the part your pastor wont tell unless you because he wants you restricted within his own confinements,

And thats why the religious view of an average CHRIST EMBASSIER  is like CHRIS OYAKILOME's ,an average REDEEMER'S  like  BABA  ADEBOYE, an average CANANN LANDER'S like OYEDEPO, DEEPER LIFER'S  the same way, I hope you now see what i'm talking about,

WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO FIND YOUR OWN TRUTH MR DEXMOND,

I rest my case,

Hey Ifababa,

Being born again has nothing to do with a behavior. Being born again according to scripture means accepting the sacrifice of DEATH and the Glory of RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, this DEATH which you should have paid as a price for who you are as a child of Adam, for you were condemned because of Adams sin in the garden.

However, God sent Jesus as a ransom for this loose of mankind. Now, you are only made free when you accept this God's ransom by confessing it with your mouth and believing it in your heart. When this confession is made by you; the bible declares that a supplanting of your old nature occurs: II Corinthians 5:17, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature(specie of man): old things(nature) are passed away; behold, all things are become new."

This is what it means to be Born Again. Now like the phrase says (born again), your spirit man can only be born as an infant even though you are 30yrs old. That spirit man needs to grow like your body did. The only food that spirit man feeds on for its growth is the WORD of God. The attributes of character/behavioral change you mentioned are only the product of a growing spirit(one that is growing in the(accurate) knowledge of the Gospel. For no man can change without the enablement of God's power. If we could do it ourselves, then we would not need Jesus to come die as a sacrifice for us.

No man will go to hell because of what he did or will do, people will go to hell because of who they are(Adam's kids). So Jesus said "you must be born again to inherit the kingdom of God." Romans 5:12, "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death(seperation from God) by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

Now Jesus did not commit any sin but was killed by men(though ordained by God as man's sacrifice). Now Verse 18 of same Romans 5 says "Therefore as by the offence of one(Adam) judgement came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification(aquited and declared not guilty) to life.

You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH  shall MAKE you free(not set you free). There's a big difference.

Now one last point and we can all close this topic (as the poster is back in church Hallelujah!)

'TRUTH' the bible refers to, is the knowledge of God's word(WISDOM). Not what our parents thought us, not the rumors or opinions in the tabloids or street, not science but what we have to learn from the bible through anointed men of God in our time. Lets not be deceived like many men of old who denied the power of God and His prophets. Jesus gave enough detail of those sent of God; read what He said; Mark 16:17-18 "These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils etc. Now if you do believe but do not do these signs mentioned in the verses of scripture, it don't mean you don't believe, it only means your spirit man is still young in knowledge and require spiritual food(an abundance of the knowledge of God's word in you to produce those result). So find grown up ones around and learn off them. They are the prophets of our time. Nigeria is thoroughly blessed to have God sent prophets, lets go for knowledge!

Don't doubt these things now, Acts 20:32, "And now, brethren, I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you(your spirit man) up, and to give you an inheritance among them which are sanctified.

The only benefits and fulfilment in chritianity(God's kingdom) is found in the accurate knowledge of the Gospel, Hallelujah!

Truthonly:

Lets not be deceived like many men of old who denied the power of God and His prophets. Jesus gave enough detail of those sent, [b]read what He said; Mark 16:17-18 "These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils etc. [/b]Now if you do believe but do not do these signs mentioned in the verses of scripture, it don't mean you don't believe, it only means you are still young in knowledge and require spiritual food(an abundance of the knowledge of God's word in you to produce those result) so find grown up ones around and learn off them. They are the prophets of our time. Nigeria is thoroughly blessed to have God sent prophets, lets go for knowledge!

It's the etc part of that quotation that I want to talk about. Since you are so blessed to have God-sent prophets coming out of every orifice, tell me which one of them 'grown up' or otherwise have you known to be able to pick up poisonous snakes. Or how many can receive a poisonous snake bite and remain unharmed?

dexmond:

@Ifababa
Someone once said that "truth is the end of inquiry" . I have an experiencial knowledge of the "Truth", therefore I don't need to continue searching.

Find time to read how Stanley Petrowski  found the Truth ( He worked with Mark and Elizabeth Prophet of Summit Ligth House) here http://www.breadsite.org/testimonies/in1100n.htm It's interesting.

Hey dexmond i read that thing and its quite irrelevant to our discussion, But about TRUTH ,it is.And you know what ?, that is his own TRUTH, You cant have 2 encounters in exactly the same ways, SAMUEL'S encounter was different from Paul's,David's and the rest, and thats why YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY THE TRUTH YOU KNOW,

but his experience was quite an interesting one, WE ALL CANT HAVE IT THE SAME WAY, MY OWN ENCOUNTER DIFFERS FROM YOURS

Truthonly:

Hey Ifababa,

Being born again has nothing to do with a behavior. Being born again according to scripture means accepting the sacrifice of DEATH and the Glory of RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ, this DEATH which you should have paid as a price for who you are as a child of Adam, for you were condemned because of Adams sin in the garden.

However, God sent Jesus as a ransom for this loose of mankind. Now, you are only made free when you accept this ransom by confessing it with your mouth and believing it in your heart. When this confession is made by you; the bible declares that a supplanting of your old spiritual nature occurs: II Corinthians 5:17, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature(specie of man): old things(nature) are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

This is what it means to be Born Again. Now like the phrase says (born again), your spirit can only be born as an infant even though you are 30yrs old. That spirit needs to grow like your body did. The only food that spirit feeds on for its growth is the WORD of God. The attributes of character change you mentioned are only the product of a growing spirit(one that is growing in the(accurate) knowledge of the Gospel.

No man will go to hell because of what he did, people will go to hell because of who they are(Adam's kids). So Jesus said "you must be born again to inherit the kingdom of God."

You shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall MAKE you free(not set you free). There's a big difference.

Now one last point and we can all close this topic (as the poster is back in church Hallelujah!) TRUTH the bible refers to the knowledge of God's word(WISDOM). Not what our parents thought us, not the rumors or opinions in the tabloids or street, but what we have to learn in the bible through anointed men of God in our time. Lets not be deceived like many men of old who denied the power of God and His prophets. Jesus gave enough detail of those sent, read what He said; Mark 16:17-18 "These signs shall follow them that believe; In my name they shall cast out devils etc. Now if you do believe but do not do these signs mentioned in the verses of scripture, it don't mean you don't believe, it only means you are still young in knowledge and require spiritual food(an abundance of the knowledge of God's word in you to produce those result) so find grown up ones around and learn off them. They are the prophets of our time. Nigeria is thoroughly blessed to have God sent prophets, lets go for knowledge!

Don't doubt these things now, OR you'll be like those who doubted Noah when he prophesied of rain and built the ark.

Being born again according to scripture means accepting the sacrifice of DEATH and the Glory of RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ,

Can you just re-read what you wrote with more concentration ?, You wrote that and you tell me its not about behavioural pattern, I think the problem with people is that they read the bible too conventionally that they really dont know how it practically relates to EVENTS and the immidiate world around them,both practically and spiritually,

The simple explanation of what you wrote on that first line is just the REALIZATION OF AN OLD SELF,,,AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF A NEW AND BETTER SELF, Which basically and realistically can only be reflected through one's BEHAVIOURAL PATTERN and ATTITUDE TOWARDS THINGS,

Then point {2}, You wrote, "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature(specie of man): old things(nature) are passed away,

What do you mean by new creature(specie of man): old things(nature),
You're just contradicting things and misusing terms,

I'ld advise you to get some little knowledge in fundamental psychology,by then you'd be able to interpret the bible very well on your own with the help of the holyspirit {SUPERCONSCIOUS},

I would recommend Dr robert Anthony's TOTAL SELF CONFIDENCE for a start and concentrate on chapter one"DEHYPNOTIZING YOURSELF", Thanks



I rest my case

Pastor AIO:

It's the etc part of that quotation that I want to talk about.  Since you are so blessed to have God-sent prophets coming out of every orifice, tell me which one of them 'grown up' or otherwise have you known to be able to pick  up poisonous snakes.  Or how many can receive a poisonous snake bite and remain unharmed?

Hey Pastor AIO,

So you do agree with the first and the last ones I believe. Well; the verse said "they shall take up serpents" It didn't say anything of snake bites, nor of the snakes wanting to bite them.

Thanks for that lovely question.

Truthonly:

Hey Pastor AIO,

So you do agree with the first and the last ones I believe. Well; the verse said "they shall take up serpents" It didn't say anything of snake bites, nor of the snakes wanting to bite them.

Thanks for that lovely question.

You're right, there is nothing said about snake bites.  What was said was that they would be able to drink poison and It will not harm them.

So my question should be "do you know of any grown up or baby born again prophets in nigeria that drink poison and remain unharmed.  If you can't find none do you just make do with learning from other baby born agains?

ifababa:


Hey dexmond i read that thing and its quite irrelevant to our discussion, But about TRUTH ,it is.And you know what ?, that is his own TRUTH, You cant have 2 encounters in exactly the same ways, SAMUEL'S encounter was different from Paul's,David's and the rest,  and thats why YOU WILL BE JUDGED BY THE TRUTH YOU KNOW,

but his experience was quite an interesting one, WE ALL CANT HAVE IT THE SAME WAY, MY OWN ENCOUNTER DIFFERS FROM YOURS

   


  Being born again according to scripture means accepting the sacrifice of DEATH and the Glory of RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ,

Can you just re-read what you wrote with more concentration ?, You wrote that and you tell me its not about behavioural pattern, I think the problem with people is that they read the bible too conventionally that they really dont know how it practically relates to EVENTS and the immidiate world around them,both practically and spiritually,

The simple explanation of what you wrote on that first line is just the REALIZATION OF AN OLD SELF,,,AND CONSCIOUSNESS OF A NEW AND BETTER SELF, Which basically and realistically can only be reflected through  one's BEHAVIOURAL PATTERN and ATTITUDE TOWARDS THINGS,

Then point {2}, You wrote,  "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature(specie of man): old things(nature) are passed away,

What do you mean by new creature(specie of man): old things(nature),
You're just contradicting things and misusing terms,

I'ld advise you to get some little knowledge in fundamental psychology,by then you'd be able to interpret the bible very well on your own with the help of the holyspirit {SUPERCONSCIOUS},

I would recommend Dr robert Anthony's TOTAL SELF CONFIDENCE for a start and concentrate on chapter one"DEHYPNOTIZING YOURSELF", Thanks



I rest my case

Hey Ifababa,

1 Corinthians 2:11   For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

 1 Corinthians 2:12   Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

 1 Corinthians 2:13   Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 1 Corinthians 2:14   But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Pastor AIO:

You're right, there is nothing said about snake bites.  What was said was that they would be able to drink poison and It will not harm them.

So my question should be "do you know of any grown up or baby born again prophets in nigeria that drink poison and remain unharmed.  If you can't find none do you just make do with learning from other baby born agains?

Hey Pastor AIO,

"And if they shall drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them"

Don't get the idea that the man goes around like a performer and drinks poison to prove anything, no.

The verse says 'if they shall drink' meaning a case of 'mistakenly' or by another person without his(drinker) knowledge, with the intent to harm.

So if you can believe the others, you can surely grow your faith to believe this Pastor AIO!

Dear kunle,
I must congratulate you on this issue of your been done with institutionalized Christianity or should it be called[b] religious activities[/b]. I believe this is one of the step of knowing what it really entailed to be called Christian but, i must also let you realize that institutionalized Christianity is not just a building but also a Spirit and system which put people of God under captivities and bondage of SIN, SINS, INIQUITY, TRANSGRESSION and all kind of fleshly work as recorded in Galatians 5v17-end. Another thing you should also know is that denomination/division as you have it today has gone beyond religion but is now called BABYLON as recorded in the book of revelation 17 & 18.
Moreover, i don't want you to see it as been done with attending one building or other, this is far beyond that. Its not just a building but a SPIRIT of ABOMINATION that taught people of God traditions of men and DOGMAS infact it's the spirit that make it hard for God's people to hear the Lord and follow Him in all thing. I will have love to explain more on this issues but i felt it may not be needed for now but to just encourage you. I also believe this is an open letter the Lord is offering to you to seek Him and know the truth about this matter. Your understanding can only be enlighten when you seek Him concerning this issues. On the last note, Know that you are not the first in this journey there are people that already in this journey with the Lord. They also had similar experience like you if not totally the same.
It's an avenue for you to SEEK the LORD like never before, ask from Him QUESTIONS as regarding this things. Be rest assure that He is willing to lead you aright and show you the way to go from here. May the LORD be gracious to you and count you worthy of this calling for not many are called into "these" things, may He grant you wisdom and understanding you need to scape through this hour you are in, so that you may know the hope of your calling in HIM. And to everyone that the Lord will still call out of systems and spirit of the world and denominations do I offer this prayer to God on their behave in Jesus Name. Amen

@ramipada
Thanx for your words of encouragement, i really appreciate.

Dear kunle,
God be praise for such an encouragement. I still feel if we can relate more not only as regard this issues but the way i felt in my spirit is that i need to get to know you better and i wouldn't mind if i can have your email address or if you are always on messenger maybe once in a while we can chat, discuses things together and also an avenue for me to share my own life experience, dealings, error, mistakes and my victory regarding this issue. Please and please, seek the Lord as regarding this things. here is my mail address: johnbiyi@ymail.com or henryericsion@yahoo.com or greatness4lif@gmail.com. my number is 08037538118
I look forward to hear from and may the lord be with you.

@mowire
couldnt agree with u more nw that petres church is now d reigning and best non institutionalise christianity with d ideal selling point-no tithe and offering -for him,we can nw av rest. U can even see him(petres) feeling cool with himself-he has won a soul 4 christ nw give it to him -and laughing at every bad comments against the other churches,2bad

timmy7:

@mowire
couldnt agree with u more nw that petres church is now d reigning and best non institutionalise christianity with d ideal selling point-no tithe and offering -for him,we can nw av rest. U can even see him(petres) feeling cool with himself-he has won a soul 4 christ nw give it to him -and laughing at every bad comments against the other churches,2bad

@timmy7
Nice one there!