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Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by emilyone(f): 11:57am On Jun 12, 2009 |
the fact that a particular church did not meet up with your expectations does not mean all churches are the same. there are over 1,001 churches, how many have you tested? for u to now arrive at your conclusion |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by JJYOU: 12:03pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
lekywhite:people like saint kunle only prove the english right when they sing " the heart you hurt may be your own. this well brought up 1994 graduate set out to destroy others faith and lost his in the process. whoever said faith is fragile handle with care was right. it was so clear to me his daily rant and recruitment excercise was going to back fire. daily on NL kunle set out his slow poison stall with his anti pastors, church and Christ message. he had his anti God huxley and co cheering him. it was so clear to me his daily rant and recruitment excercise was going to back fire. this is almost always how wicked, loveless, graceless and tasteless folks like him always end up. david said he nearly began to do evil until God showed him the end of the wicked man. it is very sad you couldnt fool no one with your no money for the church message. like i always told you the church of Jesus Christ has a no gates of hell will prevail against her word. it doesnt matter who/ whom is backing you up you will never be able to complete the weapons + assignment you are gathering. you are pretending to "hate the people for God" yet the same lifeless bible you quote said not to let anger rule you. not even 1994 graduates are exempt from obeying the bible. it took me ages to discover you were supposed to be a baptist. how on earth that sets you to be special i still cant work out maybe when i graduate in 2014 i will begin to get your point. you were never part of the church of Jesus Christ. i told you before and i say it again here for you " though we be many, we are one body". i do hope all your 3 minutes of fame on NL was worth it. keep your NL buddys cos you will soon need them otukpo:sadly tudor and OP are bed fellows. one hate God the other hates God's people so they work for the same agent. someone said Creating Your World Through Wordskunle, enjoy the world you created for yourself |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Tudor3(m): 12:14pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Pilgrim 2000 years after jesus was iced and the 'church' is still striving towards perfection. . .milleniums after the so called helper/holy spirit you're still at 'be ye'. Guess he's not doing his job well. . . We're constantly told the end time is near. The groom (jesus) will come for his bride (the church) yet she's not perfect. I even read where a pastor(i think rebecca brown) saw a vision where the minuite hand of the end-time clock was at 1min to twelve (what a load of crap) what has the church been doing for the past 23 hours? You hypocrites should focus on perfecting your church instead of heckling muslims and atheists into your imperfect body. The groom beckons on thee. . . . |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Tudor3(m): 12:19pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Otukpo and JJYOU I love you despite your insults. . . 1 Like |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by pilgrim1(f): 12:45pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Tùdor: Complaining is not the same thing as discussing. Is that the best shot you can produce for what I pointed out? Tùdor: You demonstrate your hypocrisy to such great levels. Rebecca Brown's ideas are not the same thing with what anyone understands from Scripture. I'm not heckling atheists, and do not enter a discussion with them with the sort of self-defeating arrogance that tends to complaints such as in yours. At any rate, I've always looked for a discussion - if you can afford that, good; if not, no wahala. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Tudoor(m): 1:24pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Who's complaining? The church is underacheiving and you're inviting me to discuss? Ha! |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by olivetree: 1:49pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
The main reasons why we have churches (buildings) is so that people can fellowship together in a conducive place,otherwise, a church does not necessarily have to be in any enclosed space. Secondly, the Bible enjoins us to fellowship together, one with another, this is mainly to helpus grow and be our brothers and sisters keeper. If you are in a church that you feel the Pastor is feeding fat on your offerings, you have 2 options, 1-Move on to another church or your house 2-Stay put Its not by force to go to church,but remember that whatever you do,you will give account to God, heaven and hell are both real. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Meldrick(m): 2:07pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
The existence of a fake is a clear indication that there is an original. Of course we have false prophets, churches that deviate from God's teaching but all these were part of what the bible highlighted as the signs of the end time. @ poster since you have chosen to stop attending churches, it's your opinion but remember the bible says you must not forsake the gathering of believers and if believers must gather, don't you think they must gather somewhere. They cannot be outside in the rain or under the sun. Don't also forget that Jesus scattered the temple because it was used for a purpose different from serving God but it is a fact that he acknowledged that that building in which trading was done , was his fathers temple. In essence, believers must gather somewhere. Don't get deviated with man made temples but concern your self with the body of Christians that truly practise God's commandment. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by JJYOU: 2:14pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Tùdor:tudor ihow can i insult a confused inteligent man like you? wish u have love to give |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by KunleOshob(m): 2:26pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
This thread seems to be getting out of hand however i would like to make one thing emphatically clear: My christian faith and beliefs remain unshaken, infact i believe i am growing more as a christian and getting to understand the will of christ better. The problem is most people can not differentiate between the instituitional church they attend, their pastors and God/christ. Another problem is most people that claim to be christians hardly study the bible and understand what it is all about they depend on their pastors who have vested interests to tutor them. Whilst i would not recommend the decision i have taken to any one [as you really need a very indept understanding or have a spiritual re-awakening before you can take such a decision] i would like to encourage all christians to start actively searching the scriptures[especially new testament] to know the will of God. The problem is not about the church i attend but rather more about man made instituitions parading as "house of God" which in itself is blasphemous and contrary to the scriptures. I discovered that most churches as they are constituited are contrary to the teachings of christ and their focus and the emphasis is wrong. As i said earlier i would seek out other believers and continue to study and fellowship with them. Already as a result of this thread petre_007 as introduced me to his "church" and from the way he describes it, it sounds like a group of believers who are earnestly seeking the truth and striving to do the will of God. I intend to visit them soon and might probably join their gathering if i am convinced of what goes on their. 1 Like |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Nobody: 2:59pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
I couldn't read the whole thread from page 1. But I'd like us to realise a few things. There is only one church on earth. The church according to the Bible refers to all the followers of Christ. 25 Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching. KJV You probably have seen that verse before, but my point is this - if there is something that makes you not want to attend church, then it is anti-Christ (literally). |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by mnwankwo(m): 3:02pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Why do most people feel disappointed or even embittered when another human being decides to leave a church, religion, movement or sect? Why do most people feel disappointed when another human being converts from one church to another, from one religon to another or even from theism to atheism and vice versa? No two human beings are identical in terms of spiritual maturity and it indeed unfortunate that we openly or surreptitiously expect others to percieve things the same way as we do. Our siblings, parents, loved ones, spouses will someday choose to believe in things that we do not agree with. The best we can do for them is to wish them the guidance of God in whatever they are convinced of at the moment and love them without reservation. Open or secret animosity to those who are of a different spiritual persuation is the hall mark of spiritual poverty. 1 Like |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by pilgrim1(f): 3:07pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
m_nwankwo: There is no such thing as converting from one church to another; and we don't read that the OP has "decided to leave" Christianity. Besides, I don't know where you read the idea of being embittered into this? |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by KunleOshob(m): 3:15pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
mactao: Evidently you have no clue what true christianity is all about and obviously as you admitted you haven't fully read the thread but if you had read only the original post you would not be making thrashy statements as highlighted above. If you thing christ re-sides in a church building then you need to have your head examined. 1 Like |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by ttalks(m): 3:26pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
What Kunle is doing is perfectly normal; I do not see why some people can't see beyond what they feel is right in their own highly esteemed opinions. Using myself for example, I also discovered that the pentecostal movement in which I belonged to before was on the wrong path and had deviated in so many ways from what the bible taught. So what did I do? I simply pulled out from them and very soon joined a very small group of Christians who I believe are conforming as best as possible on a daily basis to the rightly divided word of God in the bible.From the description petre_007 gave, I have an inkling or suspicsion that the group of Christians he's referring to might be those whom I fellowship with once in a while; I can't be sure but they do match the profile. So, from my outside position, I have tried in so many ways to get in touch with people who are still within the misled path that I once was in, so as to enable them to see the errors in their ways. Now, some people say leaving the 'church' or 'churches' which seem to be wrong is not the best thing but remaining with them and trying to correct the faults from within. That sounds good, but it is also risky in the sense that , the more you keep hearing the wrong stuff, the more you get pulled into it. So it's best one pulls out and be associated with those who spread/preach/teach the right stuff cos Iron sharpeneth Iron. The Bible says in Revelations 18 - Rev 18:3-5 (3) For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. (4) And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. (5) For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. It's pretty obvious from the above that God's people are encouraged to come out from within the religious groups/settings/denominations/practices that are not in line with God so as not to be partakers of their wrong. 1 Like |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by KunleOshob(m): 3:32pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
I thought i'd post one or two articles here it might prove to be very enlighten for those who truly seek the truth.
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Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Meldrick(m): 3:40pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
KunleOshob:Is this not the man who claims to have an understanding of the bible and all the verses? Is this the type of thing you want to start teaching your members? Hmmmm. We must be careful to avoid been misled |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Nobody: 4:18pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
KunleOshob: I disagree when you say I have no clue what true Christianity is all about. But it's very annoying that you misinterpreted my post. If you read it at all, then you know that when I say "attending church", I mean "attending the assembling of Christians", not going to a building. I do not think Christ resides in a building. And to think someone followed you blindly in your misinterpretation. Gosh, what do we use our eyes for? |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by fyneguy: 4:30pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
mactao, God bless u 1 billion times! This guy muddles up stuffs. He may be dissatisfied with some church doctrines, that's understandable but he's trying to justify his decision not to go to church by saying some think God resides in the building. I'm sure the devil is whispering such nonsense to his ears. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Redman44(m): 4:50pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Hmmn, the thread is getting interesting by the hour. I believe there are some good churches in Nigeria but they're very hard to locate, due to the large number of churches in the country. What I don't like is when people condemn other christian denominations and think their church is the best. It is the deep attachment to a certain church that has led to people getting disappointed at the end of the day. I've never believed one church is better than the other I don't care what church you belong to, for as long as your Jesus is mine I'm a Pentecostal christian though I work for a catholic magazine I make bold to say the Catholic church in Nigeria is the most proactive and caring of all Nigerian churches I've come across a lot of youths in Nigerian churches who attend church regularly but still dont know what to do with their lives I believe Jesus is the son of God and calling upon his name should really make us get focused in life. If he walks into most of our churches today, I know he will pick up a whip and chase many people out of the auditoriums. It is good to go to church, but at the end of the day, we will not be judged based on the number of services we atended or money we gave as tithes and offerings. We will be judged based on how we lived our lives on earth and whether we really accepted Jesus as our lord and personal saviour. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Nobody: 4:55pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
I went home last night, tired and hungry . . . switched on the TV to the christian TCT network. For the 2 hrs until i drifted into a fitful slumber, all i heard was how to "sow" a $1000 seed. Nothing on faith, salvation, sin, the coming of Christ, grace, righteousness . . . it was all an infomercial on how to buy my miracles with my "seed". I woke up this morning, TV still on TCT network . . . some other dude had come on this time advertising a prayer cloth for a meagre $100 "seed". Guess who they were? - Mike Murdock and Richard Roberts (of ORU fame). If this is the state of the church today then i'm not surprised atheists are getting more vocal in American society. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by fyneguy: 4:58pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Hmmm another bros looking for reasons to stay away from churches. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Nobody: 5:07pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
fyneguy: i attend a good bible-believing church and i'm not seeking to leave it. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by otokx(m): 5:54pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
There are many more like these |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by TheBuilder: 6:06pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
This is really an interseting topic and I honestly can feel what the poster is going through. Institutionalised Christianity is religion and cannot take anybody anywhere. In that regard, Kunle is right in his submission. In my opinion, these trend in the christendom is part of the manifestation of the end time and that means there is little anyone can do to change the tide. Remember the question posed by our LORD JESUS CHRIST in the scripture when He asked whether He will still meet faith in the world when He comes back. So the picure painted is actually expected and it therefore behoves on the spiritually focused and discerning christians to abstain from all from practices, engagements, traditions and beliefs that are unscriptural and hence have potentials to contaminate. I will advise Kunle and every other christians desirous of offering the right worship and at the place to intensify prayer to locate the true end-time assembly. And who knows, this may as well be an opportunity for the poster to start one but only if he has the leading. One LOVE. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by fyneguy: 6:22pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
davidylan: Oh you do? please tell us so that many who seek a bible-believing church may join you. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by Ndipe(m): 11:40pm On Jun 12, 2009 |
Mactao, I am impressed by your writeup! |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by na2day2(m): 1:09am On Jun 13, 2009 |
@ poster most of the problems in life are extremes, u are taking an extreme position, just like those who rip ppl off in the name of christianity and church are taking an extreme position, both are wrong. the bible commands us to fellowship together and the gathering of believers is a church not the building. my advice is to look for a church that still follows God's word, u might think there is hardly any, remember what God told Elijah that there are 7,000 ppl who have not bowed down to the idol of the day. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by ogajim(m): 1:30am On Jun 13, 2009 |
ogajin, The story of Cain and Abel offering sacrifice to God is well known. The story of Abraham tithing to the King of Salem is well known. Every action provokes an equal and opposite reaction (you can call it Karma etc), but someone set up this world and owns it. That same being is worthy of your honour, thanks praise and adoration. Why should you think that paying homage to him with your tithe is too much? Was it not him that made it possible for you to own that money? You should actually be giving more than 10% if we are to show absolute gratitude! --Marlbron It is good for folks to begin a thread from the start (page1) as the marlboro guy would have seen my first reaction to this. I don't need to give any 10% tithe, I can give more than that if my heart tells me to and also directly bless those I see in need without seeking approval from anyone including any "uber pastor" because it is "my prerogative" and the good Lord leads me to do it. by the way, Abram paid tithe to the king of Salem (aka future land of Israel), his name was not Abraham then and I do honor the Lord which is why I reject false doctrines/preachings and instead find out for my self by studying his Word in the Bible. Like I pointed out in earlier post, I still fellowship with others consistently only now I don't pay attention to the stuff that aren't based on the Bible. We need to get real, what works for Kunle might not work for others. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by ogajim(m): 1:41am On Jun 13, 2009 |
Deeper Life for instance started as a house fellowship at Unilag as I remember it( I remember Gbagada in the early 80s), fellowship with other Christians is the only issue Kunle has to address and he appears to know that he needs to remain faithful to our Lord and savior. The Bible tells us "to each his own", No need to condemn the man because he is taking this route. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by sosisi(f): 2:54am On Jun 13, 2009 |
It's interesting that KunleOshob mentions TV01 another individual with a form of Christianity. Believers should be careful about any Christian who tells you he has read the Bible thoroughly and now knows the mind of God concerning every issue and everyone else is in error. Or one who spends time critizing virtually everything in "his faith" and has a ready answer for all questions. That is the beginning of heresies and cults Could these be the people the Bible tells us have crept into the fold ? I am not impressed I am not deceived. May I never come to a point in my life where I feel like I have arrived in faith and now know all there is to know about God and his ways. That is the point Kunle and his best friend seem to have come to. That, my friend,is a dangerous position to be in. I do not envy them at all. They may be on a quest to seek out a perfect gathering of non tithing believers meeting under a mango tree under an umbrella of love But the moment they join it becomes imperfect because they are imperfect themselves The Bible says that those who are led by the Spirit,are the sons of God. Every believer should pray to be led The letter kills but the Spirit gives life. Let him who has an ear,hear. |
Re: I Am Done With Intituitionalized Christianity, Would Stop Attending "church" by yommyuk: 4:27am On Jun 13, 2009 |
Job 28:20 "Where then does wisdom come from? Where does understanding dwell? Proverbs 2:12 Wisdom will save you from the ways of wicked men, from men whose words are perverse Proverbs 4:7 Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Though it cost all you have, get understanding. Jeremiah 17:7 "But blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, whose confidence is in him. Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; Romans 10:11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." Romans 15:13 May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit. |
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