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Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by MrCrackles(m): 10:50pm On Jun 13, 2009
SeanT21:

CNN reported that it was TIED last night and when I woke up they announced that he had won. I smell something fishy!!

CNN mustav lied and reported unconfirmed info!
It may have been rigged but it was never tied!
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Ikomi(m): 10:51pm On Jun 13, 2009
SeanT21:

CNN reported that it was TIED last night and when I woke up they announced that he had won. I smell something fishy!!

So what are you waiting for? Ad put the frying pan on, you get the fish.  cheesy
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Tudor4(m): 10:52pm On Jun 13, 2009
70% of the iranian population are young and were born after the islamic revolution. . . .most wanted change and if ahmedinajad were to win it wouldn't be by such a wide margin
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by SeanT21(f): 11:01pm On Jun 13, 2009
MrCrackles:

CNN mustav lied and reported unconfirmed info!
It may have been rigged but it was never tied!


Okay, Maybe its my mistake but I remember them reporting something like dat. Maybe they where guessing.MY FAULT!!

Ikomi:

So what are you waiting for? Ad put the frying pan on, you get the fish. cheesy

I am waiting 4 U to go and clean the fish ooo!! haha
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by biina: 11:32pm On Jun 13, 2009
Ikomi:

Thats a crude way to put it.  cheesy

I do not totally agree with you though, Mousavi knew wining wont be easy, but his aim was to keep Alhamadinajad within 50%, then he could call for a re-run, so a whole 68% victory, is to say the least suspicious
correction 62.3 %.
The thing about opposition is that I havent heard anyone of them request for modifying the electoral process to be more transparent, and they only criticize the result when they loose.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by bawomolo(m): 11:52pm On Jun 13, 2009
Túdor:

70% of the iranian population are young and were born after the islamic revolution. . . .most wanted change and if ahmedinajad were to win it wouldn't be by such a wide margin

This is the main complete.

No one believes Iran would turn into turkey anyway.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by TOYOSI20(f): 12:31am On Jun 14, 2009
Now who really won this thing seriously?? . .cos from what the media is reporting both side are winning. . .no?? undecided
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by dayokanu(m): 5:56am On Jun 14, 2009
Thousands of Iranians have taken to the streets of Tehran in protest against the outcome of the country's elections, in the biggest unrest since the 1979 revolution.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/06/2009613172130303995.html
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by RichyBlacK(m): 7:22pm On Jun 14, 2009
Still some buffoons are still ignorant of the fact that Iran is a democracy!

Western media tried to hype up the chances of Ahmadinejad's opponents because of their biased views against him. Nejad has won the election and the West must stop their foolish conspiracy theories and try to promote even a shred of democracy in barbaric Saudi-Arabia, their ally.

They shout democracy all the time, however, when the outcome does not suit their toddler-driven foreign policies (selecting a subservient goon), they oppose the elections and bring up foolish allegations of mass rigging.

Fortunately, the CIA's evil strategy of assassinating political leaders duly elected to office but perceived as "not in our interest" but surely in the interest of the people who elected them (e.g., Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, Mohammed Mossadegh of Iran etc.) has been reigned in over the years.

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Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by McKren(m): 7:25pm On Jun 14, 2009
Iranians are tired of Ahmedinajad, why is he afraid of a run-off?
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by tunku(m): 10:36pm On Jun 14, 2009
I am always fascinated by this phenomenon of deflecting any criticism or self assessment by pointing to occidental countries to try to justify your own injustice. In the end of the day we all know the truth and this isn't a conspiracy. A conspiracy is the mosque bombings in Iran that happened last month all likely sponsored by U.S. money. This on the other hand is the outright denial of the few pressure valves allowed the Iranian people. You guys see western conspiracies everywhere while living off the fat of the land in these occidental countries. I really don't see how the west has any control on who the supreme council sponsors to election, nor do I see how the west can influence millions of Iranians to pick the lesser of two evils. Must be them brain controlling waves they keep broadcasting to the Iranian people. angry
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by 4Play(m): 1:03am On Jun 15, 2009
RichyBlacK:

Still some buffoons are still ignorant of the fact that Iran is a democracy!

Western media tried to hype up the chances of Ahmadinejad's opponents because of their biased views against him. Nejad has won the election and the West must stop their foolish conspiracy theories and try to promote even a shred of democracy in barbaric Saudi-Arabia, their ally.

They shout democracy all the time, however, when the outcome does not suit their toddler-driven foreign policies (selecting a subservient goon), they oppose the elections and bring up foolish allegations of mass rigging.

Ahmadinejad has won the election, albeit with a massaged margin of victory, but Iran is not a democracy. Not with a process that excludes those the Supreme Council don't think are sufficiently conservative.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by georgecso(m): 9:13am On Jun 15, 2009
According to a blogger all outside communication have been jammed by the Authorities as part of the clamp down on the opposition. Hundreds of opposition leaders are been arrested or detained.

There are two equally appalling explanations for what happened in Iran’s presidential elections on Friday: Either the election was stolen, or it wasn’t. Either scenario leads to the same conclusion: This is a truly sad day for Iran.

All hope and eyes are the on guardian council to give their approval or disapprove the election in 10days time.

Meanwhile the clampdown continues

Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Afam(m): 12:51pm On Jun 15, 2009
The West as usual would want to lie and misinform the world with falsehood simply because the preferred candidate did not win.

Mugabe was able to rubbish such nonsense when the opposition leader in spite of the funds and support from the West couldn't become president.

Even Hamas won a free and fair election in Palestine yet the West refused to recognize the will of the vast majority.

Today Ahmadinejad has won a re-election and some people want us to believe that he lost because the opposition has not accepted defeat or that some people are protesting the result.

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Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by tunku(m): 1:03pm On Jun 15, 2009
Afam lay off the pipe man. Yes we all know the hypocrisies of the West, but it in no way excuses the likes of Hamas, and Mugabe failing their own people.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Afam(m): 1:09pm On Jun 15, 2009
tunku:

Afam lay off the pipe man. Yes we all know the hypocrisies of the West, but it in no way excuses the likes of Hamas, and Mugabe failing their own people.

It is not about what catches your fancy it is about facts and the last time I checked facts don't like.

Believe what you like but if you cannot substantiate anything please read on as we don't want to spend eternity dissecting lies and conspiracy theories.

What's with the pipe? That you love it doesn't mean others give a damn about it.

Stick to the issues and discuss intelligently.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by tunku(m): 5:33pm On Jun 15, 2009
I guess the west told Zimbabweans to stop any effort at farming despite sanctions against it. I guess once you've  been sanctioned there is no need to keep up feeding yourselves, or providing potable water to its citizens. What about Hamas? Yes they were rightly elected and the punitive punishment meted out against the Palestinians is unfair, but no one is forcing them into attacking their own people and the Palestinians Authority. you attack the west for anything and everything wrong with the world, well buddy it takes two to tango.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 5:36pm On Jun 15, 2009
Nigerians are supposedly noted for their ability to think very deep and consider things rationally, more often than not.

The fact that the BBC and CNN stay in the cities to interview English speaking Iranians does not mean that they understand the Iranian population and demographic. Most of the rural dwellers voted Ahmedinejadd and the rural population far outstrips the city dwelling western-educated people that the western media would like to project as the average Iranians.

Why do we need to castigate anyone on the strength of western media reports? whose interests do we really think they protect and project?

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Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 5:40pm On Jun 15, 2009
You can count on the fact election was fair

By George Galloway on Jun 15, 09 06:46 AM in

There are grounds for being surprised at the result of the Iranian election.

Even grounds for being disappointed.

But there are absolutely no grounds for the cats' chorus of criticism and allegations now emanating from some quarters after the cookie crumbled the wrong way.

I have been more closely interested than normal in this poll.

I present two weekly shows for Iranian-owned Press TV.

As such, I know that, uniquely for a developing country, the Iranian broadcast media went to extraordinary lengths to be fair to all four presidential candidates.

More than 85 per cent of the electors turned out to vote - compared with 35 per cent in our own elections recently. That's nearly 40million Xs on ballot papers.

This massive exercise took place without trouble of any kind - the polling stations were kept open longer than required to facilitate the huge lines of people outside.
Indeed, that's one of the reasons I discount the opposition complaints.

When a candidate is reduced to protesting that too MANY people were allowed to vote, you know he's in trouble.

The counting, too, was awesome. And, by the way, there were observers from all four camps present throughout these stages.

Although the western media largely did the usual thing - not straying far from their five-star hotels, talking to those who would happily talk to them and especially if they spoke English - it's clear they mistook the plusher parts of the capital for the country at large. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad commands the loyalty of the poor, the working class and the rural voters whose development he has championed.

He lives like them, looks like them - he's never worn a suit since becoming president - and there's more of them than the English speaking more liberal elites now on the streets demonstrating.

It will soon fizzle out.

This election almost mirrors the class composition of the recent polls in Venezuela. President Hugo Chavez has exactly the same friends in his country. And the same enemies.

I've said many times that Ahmadinejad's comments about the Holocaust are a disgrace. His rhetoric can be ugly and he does not play well in Peoria, the mid-west weather vane here in the US where I am at present.

But he is the president of an important country and we'll just have to accept it.

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/georgegalloway/2009/06/you-can-count-on-the-fact-elec.html
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by tunku(m): 5:55pm On Jun 15, 2009
JustGood:

You can count on the fact election was fair

I present two weekly shows for Iranian-owned Press TV.

As such, I know that, uniquely for a developing country, the Iranian broadcast media went to extraordinary lengths to be fair to all four presidential candidates.




This author's impartiality is doubtful. Seriously the Iranian-Owned Presstv is the pravda of that country. If that is your evidence please take it back to the dustbin where it belongs.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by JustGood(m): 6:04pm On Jun 15, 2009
tunku:


This author's impartiality is doubtful. Seriously the Iranian-Owned Presstv is the pravda of that country. If that is your evidence please take it back to the dustbin where it belongs.

And you have more authoritative evidence?
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by 4Play(m): 6:13pm On Jun 15, 2009
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - [b]A poll of Iran's electorate three weeks before its election showed President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad leading by a 2-to-1 ratio, greater than the announced results of the contested vote, the pollsters said on Monday.[/b]The poll showed Ahmadinejad's disputed victory, which has sparked riots and demonstrations since it was announced, might reflect the will of the people and "is not the product of widespread fraud," pollsters Ken Ballen and Patrick Doherty said in a column in The Washington Post.

The election protests have marked the sharpest display of discontent in the Islamic republic in years as supporters of opposition candidate Mirhossein Mousavi alleged fraud in Friday's election.

"While Western news reports from Tehran in the days leading up to the voting portrayed an Iranian public enthusiastic about Ahmadinejad's principal opponent , our scientific sampling from across all 30 of Iran's provinces showed Ahmadinejad well ahead," the pollsters said.

Thirty-four percent of those polled said they would vote for Ahmadinejad while 14 percent preferred Mousavi and 27 percent were undecided.

The poll was conducted by their nonprofit organizations -- Terror Free Tomorrow: The Center for Public Opinion and the American Strategy Program at the New America Foundation -- from May 11 to 20 and funded by the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.

It was the third in a series of polls over the past two years and consisted of 1,001 telephone interviews in Farsi from a neighboring country, with a 3.1 percent margin of error.

"The breadth of Ahmadinejad's support was apparent in our pre-election survey," the pollsters said, rejecting arguments the poll might have reflected a fearful reluctance to give honest answers.

http://in.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idINIndia-40343320090615
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by TayoD1(m): 8:27pm On Jun 15, 2009
@topic,

While some of us would certainly wish for a different outcome from what currently obtains, I certainly do not see any proof that the published result does not represent the will of the people.  The West may find Ahmad toxic, and rightly so, but same sentiments may not be shared by the populace - the people who matter and are eligible to vote.

The case of the Palestinians readily comes to mind. The West and every lover of peace would have wished for Hamas to lose the election, but their people felt otherwise. Hamas won, and the West and the rest of us have to live with that decision.

But elections have consequences. Electing Ahamad will eventually provide a different outcome to electing his reformist opposition. Electing Hamas provided the Palestinians with a different outcome than would have been the case had they elected the moderate opposition.  The question now is "are these people fully aware of the consequences of their actions/votes"?

To the propagandist who likes to twist facts, the West has no problem with the Palestinians electing Hamas.  Quite the contrary. The wish of the people is respected and the law of effect due to cause is what now obtains. If you elect a Party with a violent opposition to the values of the western world whose support you seek, you will only succeed in extending the clash that is centuries in the making and will take another century to die down.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by RichyBlacK(m): 8:27pm On Jun 15, 2009
JustGood:

You can count on the fact election was fair

By George Galloway on Jun 15, 09 06:46 AM in

There are grounds for being surprised at the result of the Iranian election.

Even grounds for being disappointed.

But there are absolutely no grounds for the cats' chorus of criticism and allegations now emanating from some quarters after the cookie crumbled the wrong way.

I have been more closely interested than normal in this poll.

I present two weekly shows for Iranian-owned Press TV.

As such, I know that, uniquely for a developing country, the Iranian broadcast media went to extraordinary lengths to be fair to all four presidential candidates.

More than 85 per cent of the electors turned out to vote - compared with 35 per cent in our own elections recently. That's nearly 40million Xs on ballot papers.

This massive exercise took place without trouble of any kind - the polling stations were kept open longer than required to facilitate the huge lines of people outside.
Indeed, that's one of the reasons I discount the opposition complaints.

When a candidate is reduced to protesting that too MANY people were allowed to vote, you know he's in trouble.

The counting, too, was awesome. And, by the way, there were observers from all four camps present throughout these stages.

Although the western media largely did the usual thing - not straying far from their five-star hotels, talking to those who would happily talk to them and especially if they spoke English - it's clear they mistook the plusher parts of the capital for the country at large.[size=28pt] Mahmoud Ahmadinejad commands the loyalty of the poor, the working class and the rural voters whose development he has championed.[/size]

He lives like them, looks like them - he's never worn a suit since becoming president - and there's more of them than the English speaking more liberal elites now on the streets demonstrating.

It will soon fizzle out.

[size=28pt]This election almost mirrors the class composition of the recent polls in Venezuela. President Hugo Chavez has exactly the same friends in his country. And the same enemies.[/size]

I've said many times that Ahmadinejad's comments about the Holocaust are a disgrace. His rhetoric can be ugly and he does not play well in Peoria, the mid-west weather vane here in the US where I am at present.

But he is the president of an important country and we'll just have to accept it.

http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/georgegalloway/2009/06/you-can-count-on-the-fact-elec.html


That is what true leadership, service and governance is all about!

You can always count on George Galloway to rubbish the hypocrisy of the Western media and crystallize the truth of the issue. Thanks George!
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Ikomi(m): 12:54am On Jun 16, 2009
@Richyblack

How did u become the moderator of the same thread you make a mess of. Why should you type in with such large fonts just to bring up what has already been posted.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by bawomolo(m): 3:11am On Jun 16, 2009
Still some buffoons are still ignorant of the fact that Iran is a democracy!

negro please
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Nobody: 3:18am On Jun 16, 2009
Still some buffoons are still ignorant of the fact that Iran is a democracy!

i cant shout . . . some buffoons are truly ignorant. I havent heard of a "democracy" that has a theocratic unelected supreme head.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by bawomolo(m): 3:34am On Jun 16, 2009
Democracy in Action




Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by NegroNtns(m): 5:33am On Jun 16, 2009
In 2000 election between Gore and Bush, the whole nation was waiting for the Florida results and all the networks except Fox tallied that Gore was clealy going to win Florida but they were waiting for clarification before calling it. Then abruptly, Fox wet on air and declared, I repeat. . .declared that Bush won Florida and the Presidenial elction. Guess what happened next?

All the networks followed suit and made the call for Bush without ever clarifying the results as they had earlier indicated. When it comes to election results and declarations of victory by news media. . .becareful! We must trustthe result as authorized by the Iranian authorities. , we may not like it but there is nothing anyone outside that country can do to change the outcome. Obama has made speeches and committed to the effect that his administration will not support regime change anywhere in the world. It will be stupid of Mousavi's supporters to wish for an influential intervention from outside, .Iraq is a living example. When outsiders go into a country to help, they end up causing much more havoc than the citizens themselves could have done under the burden of tyranny. Besides. . .they should embrace Ahmadinejad in honor as AQK was embraced and honored by Pakistan - whatever global progress they have earned recently in whatever measure is due to his credit. He bullshits when he talks about erasing Israel. . .I wish he would so much as assemble a frce for such fantasy!

Before closing, here is another example. Ariel Sharon eliminated Yasser Arafat in a desire to clearn the ground for democratic process in Palestine. Sharon and Bush were happy in Mohammed Abbas as a moderate and pro-western. So America funded the elections. Guess who won? Hamas! The devil you are intimate with is far better than the fair seeming one you do not know.
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by ElRazur: 12:38pm On Jun 16, 2009
And bang! Restrictions now placed on foreign journalist from reporting the demonstration in Iran. Also a partial recount have been ordered.

I wonder what RichyBlack have to say to all of these?
Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Afam(m): 1:06pm On Jun 16, 2009
ElRazur:

And bang! Restrictions now placed on foreign journalist from reporting the demonstration in Iran. Also a partial recount have been ordered.

I wonder what RichyBlack have to say to all of these?

Restrictions placed on foreign journalists are good since all they do is misinform the public just to suit the agendas of their owners and interests.

A partial recount goes to prove that Ahmedinejad has nothing to hide especially as the opposition does not have enough supporters to win any election as even stated in all the polls conducted before the election.

The same foreign journalists tried the same nonsense in Zimbabwe and while the West lied all the way to the media quite a number of well meaning African leaders knew the facts and supported Mugabe and today we know how peace came to that country.

Facts don't lie and the sooner we started basing our positions on them the better.

The US used lies to invade Iraq and today uncountable number of innocent people have been killed. We all know the roles of the media and foreign journalists in demonizing Saddam.

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Re: Ahmadinejad 'wins Iran Presidential Vote' as Opposition protest continue by Lagosboy: 1:17pm On Jun 16, 2009
tunku:


This author's impartiality is doubtful. Seriously the Iranian-Owned Presstv is the pravda of that country. If that is your evidence please take it back to the dustbin where it belongs.

You obviously do not know Goerge Gallowey MP.

Back to the topic.

It amzes me the way people conclude that an election is a fraud. 40 million people voted, about 15 million voted for Mousavi (32%) if 1 million of these people take to the streets to protest , does that mean Ahmedinijad did not win the election

I wonder why we are so biased and always swallow what the western media feed us. The conculuded elections in Lebanon Hezbollah did not win and hence western govts hailed the election as free and fair. Perhaps Hezbollah should have protested on the streets and the wester govts would have accused it of destabilising Lebanon.

Iran has the best "democracy" in the middle east and Palestinian elections that brough hamas to power was the best in the whole middle east and yet western govt dont like it. Hell to democracy if this is what it means.!!!

What amazes me again is majority of those proetesting arent mousavi supporters and dont oppose Ahmedinajads foreign policy. most of their anger is the slow down in economic progress and the youths want some more freedom in dressing whic is unlikely to change even if Mousavi wins. Mousavi or ahmedinejad will not halt Irans nuclear program, neither will it change in majority of iranian foreign policy.

See Nigerians talking of iranina election as if the 2007 elections in Nigeria could be termed 10% successul as what was witnessed in Iran. Iran is advanced and the protest is cool.

The over handedness of the law enforcements aginst some proetsters is not a new thing, the british police do the same in protests here in the Uk. I have attended protests and seen the police beating up proetsters, same goes for Germany , France so why are we playing saint. In Nigeria it will be shoot on sight not  even batons. Lets put our own house in order before condemning Iran.

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